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Hey
Both question and not question:
Can this be done?
Also, what unusual ways of reaching lvl80 you know of and have employed?
I read your complaint that they havent “added” to professions and stopped reading. One of the chief problems with GW1 was that they continually added skills, it was a balancing nightmare and they were doing MASSIVE balance patches 5 years into the game. They aren’t going wild with additions to professions because their focus is on getting them into a good place where they don’t have huge problems.
Also, bye bye to your thread – there’s no way a mod isn’t going to lock/delete this.
I completely agree with this. GW1 ended up being completely impossible to balance which eventually lead to a massive player backlash. Guilds were making conga lines in GvG tournament matches, HA became continually filled with the very same 11111 spam builds (ok, maybe 12345678 spam builds, same difference) or lame unavoidable spike teams.
All of this was pretty much being balanced by a single person from what I understood, who got trashed every time he made a statement or did anything. Ultimately PvE speedruns became the most challenging and exciting thing you could do in the game that was renowned for its PvP, and even they were quite lame.
People need to take their nostalgia goggles off and realise that even though ultimately GW1 wasn’t as bad as people were saying at the time, it wasn’t the perfect MMO that people here make it out to be.
In a sense the same is happneing to GW2 right now. Every problem gets blown up out of proportions to no longer reflect the reality. Even this talk about 1111111 spam is pretty much nonsense. This tactic only works in EBG or EotM when you outnumber the opponent or the core of the zerg is made out of an organized WvW guild. As much as 10 man disadvantage will turn your fight from 111111 spam to something where movement, positioning and skill rotations matter.
As for PvE I don’t really see a focus in these complaints. Some complain about zergable content, others about the wurm event being impossible. There are even people who whine about Tequatl failing occasionally (fugin’ ell come an hour early for it and afk your character). So really I don’t understand these complaints except for one: Too much time is spent polishing unsuccessful content; you can’t polish a turd!
Inb4 “everything in gw2 is unsuccessful content”.
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People run a build you may like in WvW right now (at least on top tier servers). It’s Zealot armor + Celestial trinkets, 0/0/2/6/6 or 0/0/6/6/2, superior sigils of life, renewal and energy. You get fairly high power, crit chance and crit damage with a benefit of extra support provided by powerful dodge roll heals.
Right now the PvE meta is zerker and for a good reason, it will give you fastest dungeon clear times if used right but will offer you zero margin of error so if you’re planning to run it – find a good PvE guild.
Never run full zerk in WvW – you will get melted in 0.00005s by everything (even ambient mobs ;] ).
For PvP it’s all about bunkering down at point, and trying to decap. There are many variations of this build but most commonly I see full cleric mace + shield/hammer with 0/0/2/6/6. Basically you knock the enemy out of the point repeatedly to decap/cap and then sit there for as long as you can. Don’t forget t yell at your team to cap while you’re at it!
Personally I’ve been running full Cleric gear 0/0/2/6/6 in every game mode for months now and have no complaints. In PvE it’s the only build that can make dungeon/fractal pugs work consistently so if you’re a PvE pugger like me try doing what I’m doing. Though seeing as you like more damage the first build I wrote about may be a better option.
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They don’t hate farming specifically.
They hate everything that gives players gold that wasn’t bought with gems.
Yeah that explains why they don’t nerf dungeon exploits that players use to earn hundreds of gold in a single day lol.
What? Dungeons were nerfed with the Apr 15th patch. People now report making tons less gold in Dungeons from before.
Now re-read my previous post.
They don’t hate farming specifically.
They hate everything that gives players gold that wasn’t bought with gems.
Yeah that explains why they don’t nerf dungeon exploits that players use to earn hundreds of gold in a single day lol.
Those doge rolls are such fabulous.
I’m trying to decide whether to use Sigil of Renewal on both weapons or Sigil of Life on one and Renewal on the other since the underwater weapon bug got fixed.
Burning builds, especially those that center around the book, are extremely powerful in PvP. When I played PvP with it, it was not uncommon for me to win 4v1 with minimal effort.
Plus this build absolutely melts those annoying zoo necros.
In WvW burning build is… Situational. If you can find loads of small skirmishes, it’s great. In zergs it can work wonders if you time your skills right but AC fire can be trouble. People these days look for more supportive Guardians that spec heavily into Healing Power for their WvW groups.
PvE… To be honest I liked exploring with it but in dungeons and fractals it was underwhelming because it’s neither here nor there in terms of damage and support. I had to swap back to Healing Power in almost every run that I started with Condi Damage.
Maximum efficiency people are the reason why I’ve been running Healing Power for so long to begin with. It works too well to scrap.
It affects healing effects originating from you on allies only (ie. not on you).
Alright thanks. Would be cool if it did affect the user but it still seems to be good for what I do.
The only two good things about GW1 were PvP and that it didn’t have a monthly fee.
At the time it was the closest thing to an MMO you could have without paying a monthly fee, or be forced to buy stuff from cash shop.
That’s it really.
TP takes time and constant research to work. Dungeons still require effort, practice and knowledge to truly benefit from…
Champ trains require you to know how to run in circles. Yes, that’s it.
See why they are getting nuked now?
You need to grind for ascended gear (or play REALLY LONG). It gives 5percent more statts and you need it for high lvl FOTM. There is REQUIRED grind. Just not so much.
Yes you need ascended for high level fractals. But you can still see everything from the fractals at lvl 1, and thus you don’t need Ascended to experience any content. And as you said yourself, you can get it, over time, without grinding, and thus it is not forced grind either way.
Yeah 4 years or something? :P
4 years?!
No, just no. It’s very easy to at least make 30g a day in this game by doing diverse content. That way in about 2-3 weeks you should have enough money to get all the mats for ascended gear. You can even craft the damask as you go along to save time.
That’s pretty fast for a set of (rather useless) best armor in the game.
I have a question: Does it affect your own heals or only allies?
I run healing power and it always wondered me.
Also, is a good rune choice for a healway Guardian (PvX) or runes of water still better?
Hi,
I have a female human Guardian that wears Aetherblade Chest + Pants.
I need advice on what gloves and shoulders to use with it though.
Much appreciates if you have any.
Hi,
I have a female human Guardian that wears Aetherblade Chest + Pants.
I need advice on what gloves and shoulders to use with it though.
Much appreciates if you have any.
I’ve been running it in PvE for months. Love it.
Thanks guys.
I decided to stick to PVT exotics for now which I can buy with WvW tokens.
Later on I’ll swap to Ascended Celestial + Celest/PVT/Zerk (havent decided yet) trinkets.
Exotic and both. Regardless of the mode I play I prefer to carry some form of utility with me. Though I very rarely roam in WvW and prefer to run around in zergs or at least small groups.
Hi, title.
I am trying to choose between the two, both seem to have their share of advantages but I only want to use one or the other, not both (don’t like gear overload).
Please help, much need.
Thanks.
Not full team but with about 3-4 you will win. In any case you won’t last long without bunkers.
Yes, playing a bunker and just sitting on a point is very effective, but killing players is far from pointless because:
- You send the player to respawn, which prevents you and your teammate from being killed by that enemy
– You force that player to waste a bunch of time waiting for the respawn, then travelling across the map instead of sitting on a point or killing your team
– You prevent that player from knocking you off the point or shutting you down so that another person can knock you off the point
– And of course, you get 5 points too. =P
But it’s much better to tank up and Banish the player off his point. =)
That’s why this PvP creates broken builds and makes players rage so much.
you can’t cap a point if there’s a player opposing player on it. so … yes.
Actually you can with things like Fear, [Banish] etc. That’s what many decap builds revolve around.
yeah.. it is not working very well… I sometimes get teams they they don’t know what to do… I mean they run pass a unguarded enemy capture point and move on without even decaping it… not to mention that by the end of the game I have over 200 points and they are all under 60-80…
I do take he time to make a strategy based on our professions before the game starts and ask ppl to do simple tasks… they don’t even care… some even say that they are only there for the progression bar or to finish a daily achievement… they don’t even care if the team wins or loses as long as they get there “dodge” achievement or the “kills”, or “revives” whatever… and the PvP players are the ones how get penalized for this…
IT IS NOT RIGHT!!
Yes this is true I always see players just run past a point that’s unguarded. I try to tell people to focus on capturing points before the match starts but most don’t listen or don’t understand.
Maps in PvP here are very random and very difficult to navigate for new players and PvP itself isn’t intuitive. It takes time to realise just how little reward is given for activities that don’t involve capturing or bunkering points. Plus some maps like Skyhammer have unique and devastating mechanics that many don’t know about.
Basically you have lots of clueless (rightly so) new people pitted vs experienced people. PvP in this game is actually very simple to learn, but there has to be a tutorial.
Toxicness is occuring more because match making is bad by mixing new players with older experienced players.
This plus the fact that there is no tutorial to properly teach newcomers how Conquest works. That’s why you encounter so many people that chase after a Mesmer for 15 minutes while not caring one bit about points.
People need to be taught that PvP in GW2 translates as Player vs Point, not Player vs Player.
lol dude you think if you try to kill someone it takes your whole team to do it? you think going for a kill means getting 2-3 capped?
you just clearly played better players than your team.
With some build yes. I play bunker most of the time and it takes several people to kill me. By this time my team capped everything and came to my aid. That’s wrong.
Stop fighting it. Almost everyone here has disagreed with you for a reason. You’re wrong.
No troll posts this is a serious discussion.
I’m not trolling.
PvP is about point capture and sometime it does not require to kill players to achieve this and that’s perfectly fine.It promotes passive play to much. You are better off tanking at your own points than trying to capture enemy or kill enemy to prevent them from capture. That is wrong.
You feel that tanking your own points and backcapping an opponent’s point when they’re not there is “passive play”? Why?
Because you just sit at a point and do nothing. The builds that pop up as a result of how PvP is are what most would consider lame and boring.
Stalling a point gives you so much, while trying to get it back from you gives almost nothing in comparison.
I’ve fought many good bunkers who are skillfully able to mitigate my damage. That is the very opposite of “doing nothing”. If you could explain what you mean by “doing nothing”, it would be helpful.
This is not about skill. If you killed a bunker chances are you also lost the game. Thats the point.
And if you don’t kill a bunker, you lose the game. Your point being? Two DPS classes can easily take out any bunker all things and skill being equal. Especially true after the engi’s AR nerf.
A skilless bunker will not last. A skillful bunker will last. A poor DPS will not kill a bunker. A good DPS can (depends on the build of course. Not all DPS builds are the same and neither are all bunkers. There’s a bit of rock paper scissors going on, but so what?)
You don’t even really need to kill the bunker. Just push them off point (easy with the right build in any map other than foefire mid).
My point being is that you end up with lose lose situation. Isn’t that obvious?
Bunkers get HUGE benefit from doing what they’re doing while the enemy gains minimal reward for spending a massive amount of time trying to kill them. Since 2-3 people are needed to kill a bunker semi-fast it means that bunker’s team can capture other points more easily.
Basically: If they don’t kill bunker, they lose. If they kill bunker, they also lose.
There is no rock paper scissors going on; it’s just rock.
Another problem is that the PvP here is not intuitive at all. A new player will have no idea how important these points are and what to do to capture them because there is no tutorial to teach them. This makes PvP really frustrating because you will get people who have no idea how to play with or against the meta.
Ye bunkers just give so much benefit it is ridiculous. I would make another suggestion:
1, Make kills worth 15 points each
2, When people cap a point give them an NPC which must be killed before the other team can cap that point. This stops bunkers running to a point and capping it.It’s more constructive to layout builds and their imbalanced status than just say —- “bunkers specs are ridiculous”. That doesn’t help anybody learn anything or know what to balance. It’s already been known that decap engis, warriors, spirit rangers were an issue because they had a bunker spec that either could do good dps and/or had way too many knockbacks compared to other classes which conquest mode does favor.
Yes this is it. Those builds are a huge problem. They are only fun for the guy who plays them and they were given rise by the mechanics of this PvP where bunkering up is low risk high reward tactic.
killing is important because if you don’t kill anyone then you will eventually be outnumbered and die and lose the point. killing enemies prevents outnumbered situations. outnumbered situations lose points. therefore killing prevents losing points.
Eventually. But in reality you get 2 capped and then they will just bunker a node forever. By the time you kill someone another has respawned and is back. This can continue for 4-5 minutes before you eventually win the fight and by that time it is 300-100. The other team will have 40 points per player because all they have done is delay you all game. Hard to stomp vs bunker teams because they can all res. Hard to focus anyone. If you want to kill them you probably need 5 people. If you do this then you lose the other two points and the bunker team repeats the process.
So this game is a miserable experience where the way to win is to play specs which do no damage but survive (some do both like ranger/warrior/thief). Bunker specs take way less skill and are generally more forgiving than dps specs. Yet bunker specs are inherently rewarded by the game mode and the scoring system. It is boring and it is why (imo) the most talented pvpers stick to WvW and not PvP
Lol, you can keep your opinion to yourself. There’s no point in stating something that cannot be proven. The two game types are uncomparable. Good in wvw pvp <> spvp pvp.
Every time a thread like this pops up there will always be that one guy being all “But in super high end PvP everything is fine and dandy!”
You’ve made some good points I won’t deny that but just because an elite few can enjoy this after over a year of practice doesn’t mean everything is fine. Because there are many problems. Very many.
I’m not trolling.
PvP is about point capture and sometime it does not require to kill players to achieve this and that’s perfectly fine.It promotes passive play to much. You are better off tanking at your own points than trying to capture enemy or kill enemy to prevent them from capture. That is wrong.
You feel that tanking your own points and backcapping an opponent’s point when they’re not there is “passive play”? Why?
Because you just sit at a point and do nothing. The builds that pop up as a result of how PvP is are what most would consider lame and boring.
Stalling a point gives you so much, while trying to get it back from you gives almost nothing in comparison.
I’ve fought many good bunkers who are skillfully able to mitigate my damage. That is the very opposite of “doing nothing”. If you could explain what you mean by “doing nothing”, it would be helpful.
This is not about skill. If you killed a bunker chances are you also lost the game. Thats the point.
And if you don’t kill a bunker, you lose the game. Your point being? Two DPS classes can easily take out any bunker all things and skill being equal. Especially true after the engi’s AR nerf.
A skilless bunker will not last. A skillful bunker will last. A poor DPS will not kill a bunker. A good DPS can (depends on the build of course. Not all DPS builds are the same and neither are all bunkers. There’s a bit of rock paper scissors going on, but so what?)
You don’t even really need to kill the bunker. Just push them off point (easy with the right build in any map other than foefire mid).
My point being is that you end up with lose lose situation. Isn’t that obvious?
Bunkers get HUGE benefit from doing what they’re doing while the enemy gains minimal reward for spending a massive amount of time trying to kill them. Since 2-3 people are needed to kill a bunker semi-fast it means that bunker’s team can capture other points more easily.
Basically: If they don’t kill bunker, they lose. If they kill bunker, they also lose.
There is no rock paper scissors going on; it’s just rock.
Another problem is that the PvP here is not intuitive at all. A new player will have no idea how important these points are and what to do to capture them because there is no tutorial to teach them. This makes PvP really frustrating because you will get people who have no idea how to play with or against the meta.
I’m not trolling.
PvP is about point capture and sometime it does not require to kill players to achieve this and that’s perfectly fine.It promotes passive play to much. You are better off tanking at your own points than trying to capture enemy or kill enemy to prevent them from capture. That is wrong.
You feel that tanking your own points and backcapping an opponent’s point when they’re not there is “passive play”? Why?
Because you just sit at a point and do nothing. The builds that pop up as a result of how PvP is are what most would consider lame and boring.
Stalling a point gives you so much, while trying to get it back from you gives almost nothing in comparison.
I’ve fought many good bunkers who are skillfully able to mitigate my damage. That is the very opposite of “doing nothing”. If you could explain what you mean by “doing nothing”, it would be helpful.
This is not about skill. If you killed a bunker chances are you also lost the game. Thats the point.
I’m not trolling.
PvP is about point capture and sometime it does not require to kill players to achieve this and that’s perfectly fine.It promotes passive play to much. You are better off tanking at your own points than trying to capture enemy or kill enemy to prevent them from capture. That is wrong.
You feel that tanking your own points and backcapping an opponent’s point when they’re not there is “passive play”? Why?
Because you just sit at a point and do nothing. The builds that pop up as a result of how PvP is are what most would consider lame and boring.
Stalling a point gives you so much, while trying to get it back from you gives almost nothing in comparison.
I’m not trolling.
PvP is about point capture and sometime it does not require to kill players to achieve this and that’s perfectly fine.
It promotes passive play to much. You are better off tanking at your own points than trying to capture enemy or kill enemy to prevent them from capture. That is wrong.
I found myself winning matches, and actually get top score without killing a thing! Crazy right? This shouldn’t happen.
Lol no it’s alrigtht.
Stop trolling.
Hello,
After playing PvP for a bit for rewards I still don’t understand why killing enemies gives so little points while capturing points gives so much.
From what I can see just holding a point for many hours is better than killing off an enemy. So it’s actually better to bunker up to the point where enemy would need at least 2-3 of their team to take you down.
I found myself winning matches, and actually get top score without killing a thing! Crazy right? This shouldn’t happen.
To make things worse, engaging in a fight outside of points in no mans land is autoloss especially if your team comes to your aid. Everything just takes so long to kill because of downed state and by the time you killed, you would lose 2 of your points and gained some kittenty 5 points for the kill (something tiny like that).
Why? I have no reason to kill enemies now. At least in WvW there is a clear incentive to kill each other, and you will rarely see an enemy that would just run past you. In PvP any player with a brain will avoid no mans land fights like fire.
Why that is so?
Honestly I understand people that are hostile.
It’s hard to convince people that PvP is just an illusion, and you must avoid fights at all costs while capping.
You tell people: “Don’t fight, it’s not PvP. Camp points and come to each others aid.” But no, they have to roam around looking for kills.
It’s nowhere near as bad as in other games.
People are actually quite nice.
The thing is if you try to PvP you will lose. Just cap, it’s all about capping.
I think your statement is far too blanket. Fighting clearly doesn’t make you lose otherwise no one would fight.
Fighting someone with no ability to push them off a point or kill them quickly is a waste of time, I would agree. But fighting in general is not a waste of time.
Noone fights already!
Fight = lose.
You must ignore enemy till you get to the point. Then just tank while pushing enemy off the point.
If you fight you lose. In nearly every match I played after one side shows it’s stronger (after 1 fight usually) PvP stops and capfest starts. That’s so frustrating!
Securing objectives is fine but they need to be harder to get and reward players for defending and actually fighting. Now it’s just all about sitting at a point or suicidng into enemy to buy time for your team to cap.
This is like Hero Battle in GW1 all over again but without micro…
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I don’t get it. Fighting other players makes you lose. You must avoid fights and just cap, only then you will win.
It doesn’t matter if you can wreck the enemy player, you will lose if you fight.
I don’t like it. This is a problem for me. Probably the only one I have with PvP right now.
Hey all,
I wonder if I’m the only one who really dislikes the way human female heavy armors look?
All of them suffer from pretty big clipping issues, or have lots of plate bits that are completely flat. It really bothers me.
For example in the heritage armor the chest piece is not connected to the leg piece, so you can actually see the inside of the texture from the resulting crack. In cult t3 your arms clip with the side plate bits.
Am I the only one who cares? Are there plate armors that don’t clip like that? Because I’m on a verge of using TMK to change my female human gurdian into a male. :p
Honestly these forums initially sound like “just people whining and complaining” but I just don’t see it that way anymore.
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I felt that way about some sections of these forums since I first visited them. My opinion hasn’t changed so far.
People make it sound like this game is Bad Rats of MMO world where every class except Warrior is so badly balanced that it can’t get past the starting area. In reality things are nowhere near as bad.
The WvW guild I’m in wants Guardians in every party for “stabilityprotection” and Empower. Dungeon and FotM groups want them for reflects. This shows that Guardians are useful for doing things they were designed to do and as long as it stays like this, I’m happy.
I wish the class could have a larger array of useful support options and more “funbuilds” (the latter might change with the introduction of scaling rita), I dream of the day when our Spirit Weapons become useful because I love em, but at the same time I don’t share the doom and gloom attitude that people in this thread have. Things are not that bad.
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Hello,
I would like to know if further HoM progression in GW1 would be reflected in the amount of a rewards I get in GW2.
Let’s say I link my GW1 account now, then add more stuff to my HoM. Would that extra stuff still give me rewards in GW2 or do I need to complete everything before linking?
Thanks,
Spirigo
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Hello,
I have lots of champion loot bags stockpiled in my inventory but I am not sure if I should open them right now or wait till lvl80.
My main character is lvl51 (I think, lol) at the time of writing this post.
If I opened them right now I would get lvl46 gold items; some of them don’t sell for a lot. Maybe I’m wrong though, which is why I’m asking you about it now.
Basically: Should I wait to open CHAMPION LOOT BAGS till lvl80 or should I open them asap starting at my current lvl51?
Hello people,
I’m new to this game and looking for a good server to join.
I’ve made an Asura on Seafearer’s Rest the other day but the server seems completely empty.
I’m looking for a server where I’ll have a good chance of running into other people frequently, and that is stable i.e. it must be doing well in PvP and the guilds on there aren’t planning to leave.
Please post suggestions.
Thanks!
P.S.: I am looking for an English speaking server, preferably EU but actually don’t mind playing on German/French/USA if the above conditions are met.