Guild Wars 2

Elvicof.8263:

Just to clarify something here, just because someone from piken is calling it a cheat or wahtever, doesnt reflect the rest of the server population. I love fighting the turtle as it gives a challenge.

To this day have never complained about AB server, yeah last match up (2 weeks ago) where some good fights in the beginning of the week, but as the week progressed so did the lack of AB in primetime, but that is what happens when you face pug against organised guild.

These 2 weeks fights have been fun, ofcourse better last week when GH had some force aswell, but yesterday in AB BL was a good fight.

The rendering is to blame here, so for Piken sake stop calling cheaters on everything and deal with situation. And be happy there are something to fight. I’ll take that anyday over an empty zone.

thank you.. and I mean it.

But it aren’t just some people/pugs.. I also know different BOON vids.. and when the commander is frapsing you also see the chat.. so.. ^^

You know.. last battle we just won because we are poor night-cappers. Now we are just cheaters and cowards and purposely exploiting the whole day..

Even if you win.. the only thing you do is complaining. No other server was and will ever flame like Piken does.. I think it’s under your pride do keep flaming and flaming while you do just fine and win in all belongs (numbers, tactic, points).

Even after the patch we will keep turteling because the render-problem isn’t the reason we use it. So we don’t care about the patch. It’s a nice tactic against uncoordinated enemies and it’s the easiest tactic you can use with randoms.

So.. guilds like BOON, Necr and VII want face to face fights.. so tell me how should our leader inside the TS face your guild-group with 25 people from different guilds who have never really player together? If you want us to stand around naked and shout “please hit me and loot me hard” then do that.. I think you are just pissed because the turtle makes it harder for you to kill our randoms.

So.. guilds like BOON, Necr and VII want face to face fights.. so tell me how should our leader inside the TS face your guild-group with 25 people from different guilds who have never really player together? If you want us to stand around naked and shout “please hit me and loot me hard” then do that.. I think you are just pissed because the turtle makes it harder for you to kill our randoms.You will be really happy in the higher bracket when you face tons of portal-bombing guilds who won’t die as easy as we do

We are terribly sorry.. if we take 10 golems for a walk again (btw. where did we use 10 golems today/yesterday?) we will walk 2000 range behind the golems so you will see the undefended golems and kill them.

How dare we walk beside the golems!

For the rendering thing.. when 50 people port into 50 enemies.. both team won’t see kitten. But you will see and hear the portal and so you know where we are standing. We just know “you are everywhere around”. So it is just using the 5-player-aoe-cap and not “rendering cheating”.

Cool down a bit and report those who really use illegal stuff. And if you still think you have to report a 50-player zerg… have fun… while you report we will take your keeps oô

PS: We fail often enough with turteling because some well organised Piken guild are well trained in contering the turtle.. so I don’t like it that much any more ^^ But portal bombing+turtle is still the most fun against groups who don’t know how to conter it.

I and a few more players on AM’s community-TS were having a hilarious night. Mostly defending our BL and attacking GH, because most of our people left a few hours ago.

PK’s attemt to take bay with 3 golems (and 2 more a few minutes later) let us have a great time. First nobody thought we would keep the bay because we were facing higher numbers of enemies and alltogether 5 golems (+katas) but thanks to the 300 supplies we could keep the un-upgrated bay. After that you left and Gunnar made a small appearence.. than we were able to chase some Gunnar on their BL and keep PK at there spawn. Was really a fun time when you ignore the cheating commander we faced and reported.

Greetings, Starfall

From our (AM) point of view the “jumping-ship-issue” also limits our fun in this fight. Piken get stronger and stronger (although they were strong enough in the beginning to beat us) and so it gets harder and harder to stand atleast some ground.

On the other hand Gunnar gets weaker and weaker (condolence for that. You would have been our top-opponent because in the first fights we were really same in numbers and strengh)

Now this bracket is a farce. We got Piken who will move up some tiers.. we got Gunnar who will move down and we got AM who tries to somehow enjoy this.
Piken will keep AM small and GH will try to get atleast some points out of AM.

I think this week isn’t much fun for any of us… it’s a pity.

~Starfall

The situation with the camp was on GH-BL.. I think you were first talking about AB-BL? I came to AB a few minutes before you tried bay

This is reasonable and exactly something like that I wanted to hear.. but I have still a question:

What profit lies in both your servers camping our camp for an eternaty? I watched the map closely (between trying to keep both sides outside the camp..) and both your servers had so much time to once try a northern tower (for Piken) or hills (for Gunnar).. this would have brought so much more points than camping us.

It wasn’t the fact that both server stood outside the camp.. it was entertaining and challenging. The fact that both your servers made absolutely no attemt to cap something else (except the north-east camp) was really frustrating.

It was also funny to see that Gunnar, in the beginning, built a large amount of siege to keep us out of this camp, while Piken destroyed bays wall through trebs on the tower. They didn’t care about the tower .. just about us and the camp until we finally got it and the 2 hours of defending started.

@Katiechops.6807: believe me we were already at the bay when someone said it’s clear again and the wall-upgrate is finished.. I think we would have kept the bay and if you hadn’t left you might have lost the hill… but I like it that you don’t go easy on us.. we can learn while you are still in this bracket and use what we have learned against the next servers we face.. you will surely climb the ladder up a bit

Before I say what I’m really thinking right now… would someone from GH or PK explain me their view of what happened on GH-BL the last 4-5 hours?

After those 4 hours Gunnars glorious plan of killing AM/retreating inside the PK-Keep on the hills of AM-BL was the last bit that made me quit and question the fair WvWvW we all wanted to experience again this week.

mfg Starfall

Congratulation on capping whole EB @ Piken.

While I just join EB to puzzle, I had a lot of great fights on all borderlands today. I also have to say that I really DON’T appreaciate that Piken is now (2:00 CET) still dominating. Normally it would be ‘Gunnar-Time’ already.

I really enjoyed it to say during the last battle: “Oh it’s 23:00 CET.. time to cap the Piken’s keeps” xD No such thing now

I’m really looking forward to next week… let’s see if AM and GH focus Piken a bit more or if we go on kicking each others kitten ^^ … this server-restart we surely won’t be that easy on you both!

Greetings from AM
Starfall

As far as we (AM) know [KISS] are actually 4 guilds. Because of their numbers they make up quite a large number of GH’s whole WvW-Community.

From our point of view it’s a difference to fight VII or (2 weeks ago) RG than to face KISS. Because VII is smaller, with a lot of well playing gamers, you will also defeat KISS because of their numbers they don’t seem the be as well-rehearsed as the Piken-Guilds are.

Their strengh lies in numbers and wide-scale organisation. They can easily dominate more than one BL with just one guild.

That’s just my point of view. So I think in 1:1 Piken would win.

Sorry if I interrup again.. it will be the last time. And maybe some even won’t mind if i stay polite.

Apollothirteen.7201:

So, in my opinion you didn’t deserve the rating you have. You don’t have to agree with me , but you can’t deny me the right to express myself however i see fit. So a zerg of 40+ ppl who get pushed by 15 and start running is inferior in my opinion. Gunnar on the other hand stand their ground and fight.

Thats the funny point. You don’t like us because of what you postet.. ok..
On the other hand you respect Gunnar.. ok..
But now how the game went last week…
Gunnar was a great opponent, but they got the most points during the night because after 1 or 2 they turned the whole maps. We sometimes lost up to 20k points to them during one night and still we could dominate the day and just barely loose to them.

You don’t like us but you like Gunnar although they did exactly the same. You are just biased and if you would have the better night-shift you would exactly do the same. On Abaddon nobody flamed Gunnar for beeing the better server at night and nobody startet flaming threads again and again. I don’t get it why Piken is so persistent there.. Miller was even worse but you guys just keep flaming Abaddon. It’s funny and sad.

I don’t fear an alliance.. it’s ridiculous to think the other servers ally against your own and I always laugh about people who whine about something like that. It’s just parts of both your servers openly mention they hate our server because of whatever is a appropriate reason for that.

Like I mentioned our server isn’t in top form actually.. a lot of work has to be done again, but I surely won’t accept sentences that state our server reached this bracket undeserved.

I always tried to be nice and converse politely in different threads, but I’m getting a bit sick of this always repeating Piken-sentence. Just because we haven’t Guilds like KISS, RG and VII doesn’t mean we are inferiour in any kind of battle

I just came by to compliment the OP. I play on neither your servers but you, dear sir, are just so cute =)

but when in 100 fights…. 90 of them
i saw ppl from our server dying 1vs10
when they are double our numbers
those 2 servers were the ones doing it the most
certain servers almost never killing each other?

May I summarise you post?

- Your server is the best, with the best players and absolutely the fairest gameplay
- Every other Server, especially german servers, are evil and always against you
- Your enemies are bad; they just win 10vs1, are always skill-less and doing unfair stuff

You know you wrote about a real issue.. but the way you wrote your post can’t be taken serious.

Greetings, Starfall

Snowstorm.3897:

Apollothirteen

As for the meeting, if it will be about destroying AM i am all in since its a server with low skill but big zergs. I think their rating is overrated and they achieved it due to off-peak hours zerging.

Yeah, there was nothing like destroying AM’s zergs during primetime, getting a 600 point lead during primetime, then losing the week by 150k points because they capped the map during the early mornings. They’ll pay for that this week though.

I wonder how we always cought up the 20k Points Gunnar got every Night from Monday to Friday. Gunnar dominated every night and still we barely lost by 10k Points.

But still… our server is absolutely miserable this week and I expact the 3rd place (since you both hate us it isn’t a surprise, but how bad it’s going the last 2 weeks was a surprise).

It is still the bracket we belong to and we will show you.. if not this week then another ^^

I would really laugh if we would still beat Piken because this time we are surely not the most night-active server. Pitty… I liked that “We absolutely destroyed AM whenever we played but we lost by 150k points!!!”-sentence. Could argue 24/7 about that, but I already did in other threads ^^

Saskia.2893 we’camped’ them at the spawn because until ~21:00 the whole Abaddons BL belonged to us and we tried to stop the other servers from establishing there ^^ Let’s say i was close to set up sieges near your base but decided against it.

It wasn’t ment insulting.. but it is a really obvious issue that your server seems to have a lot of low level players and because of that it is harder for you guys.

Gunnar on the other hand was as hard as ever to keep under control.. we succeeded really long but after the tower fell the fort followed shortly after (because our random commander failed big time… pulling all randoms to the other southern gate while the inner north-gate fell.. it isn’t fun to stand beside the lord with 5 guildies while the commander runs off with 30 randoms ^^)

I also joined the fight against Gunnars Fort on their borderlands for a short time where the treb destroyed the wall… you guys had really built a hell of siege-weapons there.. after you drove us away the first time I had to switch back to Abaddon. I heard the others just couldn’t get the fort ^^ Nice work Gunnar.

I stopped playing after this and so I don’t know if the bad hackers stoke again xD
The more days pass the more I’m looking forward to another round with Gunnar.

~Starfall

Edit: Just saw the thread about Gunnars 3 Orbs >.> The more this happens the more I believe it is really always the same person…

My point was that because of the strong early-presence, there might have been a lack of primetime-presence… at least a lack in organised raids.

But again.. i think we are talking to much about Piken<→Abaddon… it might be the wrong thread for this topic.

I enjoy every Piken post about ‘Piken dominating Abaddon always during primetime’. You guys didn’t dominate us always.. you dominated hald the time and the other half abaddon was leading during primetime too. Else we hand’t won with 100k points.

You guys are really strong on primetime, like i already said in this thread, and so it was mostly a back and forth with the points. During last week abaddon had a strong early-shift and we startet taking over all maps at around 7-9 i think. Afternoon you sometimes turned the maps and sometimes we could hold our ground.

If next week is going to be Abaddon – Piken – Gunnar it’s going to be really interesting!

~Starfall

Yes a lot of Abaddons guilds decided to use one TS and we try to only advertise this one. Still, although most regular players know the TS, just a small amount of all wvw-players use it. Our main events fill the server quite nice but we can’t compete with Millers 300+ online players ^^

We are aktually happy about 100 players (primetime) and try to make the best out of it. Beside the TS we also have a few stronger wvw-guilds, but our groups are mostly random.

I’m sorry I didn’t make it clear enough. My viewpoint of ‘us being superior in open field’ (I know words like superior is a really bad choice in a situation like wvw, but let me explain) is when I move with our TS-Group. Every Server wins and looses fights and every player experiences situation where they win 2vs6 and loose 5vs3.. it’s quite hard for me to explain in englisch.. i just hope you kind of get the idea. Abaddon isn’t superior. It was just a impression with the raids and it isn’t even important in this thread ^^ I really apreciate this match because it is very even… best we had since ever I think.

I’m just here to have a nice little small-talk with ‘the enemy’ and try to open a few minds that just because of some a server isn’t bad or unfair.

That every group wins and looses… ehm… yesterday was the perfect example. While we tried to defend the shortly before caped north-western tower in Gunners BL (I think) our TS-Group got beaten up quite nice. We lost fair and square (I think it’s said that way ^^). What we noticed was that our randoms attacked Gunnars bay.. and where already in the inner circle. We knew that the big group which beat us would also easily overrun our random group. So we moved with about 25 Players inside the outer north-wester gate of gunnars bay and waited. I tell you it was my most epic wvw-moment when eeasily over 50 Gunnar ran through the portal and player after player died against us.

I don’t want to show our ‘strangh’ with this.. for this action wasn’t really much needed… I just wanted to tell you that I had my best WvW-Moment against a Gunnar raid that beat me just 4 Minutes before ^^

I really like this round and I even wouln’t mind getting the second or third place.. I just don’t want bad blood between the servers because some hackers who choose Abaddon to be their lucky server..

~Starfall

@Bastion

It is also insulting to accuse whole servers because of players we cant control. I just said, without wanting to hurt sombody, that this match is easier to win on open fields. And I was speaking about 1:1 situations. If our zerg overruns a small group, or vice versa, that has nothing to do with strengh.

We just noticed, that there are more players below lvl 80 in your teams and that it is a lot easier, because of the level or other reasons, to win 1:1 situations than to win against Piken or Miller.

On the other hand we aren’t that good with siege. We got a lot of randoms who place siege-wapons on wrong places and when it’s about defending keeps.. often nobody really wants to invest a lot. Your servers, especially Gunnar, build a lot of arrowcarts and ballistas and give us a hard time attacking well defended keeps.

Topic change

I don’t really read the englisch forum a lot.. I just came here because someone else noticed this thread. We know that this match our server might have the highest amount of hackers.. we are sorry but why should the random people act different? Most actualy don’t even realize we got hackers who cheat into keeps or steal orbs.

On the other hand there are our TS-groups, we know about this situation and we report and hate those players. We use a lot of tactics to reach the victory, but non of those are cheating or playing unfair.

It is a pity that because of some hackers, all stealth-actions or ‘unexplainable victories’ are now all accused of cheating. We normally are proud if an enemy server missed a mesmer inside a keep, or if we speed-cap a keep. We sometimes let enemies intentionally take one of our forts to repair the walls and than jump down the roof and recap… all this things are fun and we enjoy them. Now the players of both your servers are a litte bit paranoid/biased and accuse a lot more actions of cheating.

Again… we know there are cheaters on our server. But it is a small number and not “A tree of bad apples”. And not every victory we reach is unfair… thanks.

~Starfall

PS: @Gunnar slow down a bit… we got a hard time keeping the first place if you go on like that ^^

PPS: English isn’t my nativ language.. i think most already noticed.

Saskia.2893:

Guys, if things like this happen make as many print-screens as you can (especially if you’re from AM, you can see their names). Send it exploits@arena.net, show it here so the leaders of those involved guilds can react and investigate.
Let’s work to together to get rid of those players. They are spoiling fun for both sides.

I was on AG borderlands after the reset and I saw that weird group of AM players. And I’m sure that they were bots.They all spammed auto-attack, they all had low lvl gear and they all were rangers with bear pets. It was a group of 20+ and they appeared behind us. But I don’t think they were sent after our players, I think we simply got to their scripted path.

That is something I would beleave, although I never saw them outside the lake. Do you know which place they farmed?

If you guys report players of our server you see their names after klicking the report button (I think). So also you can see their names. We also will keep tracking and reporting them.

~Starfall

vanash.2671:

It’s not up to other servers to report/kill YOUR bots. What about the field of flesh wurms? Flying mesmers?

You guys need to start taking control of your server rather than ignoring the fact that you have a large contingent of cheaters/ abusers.

We can’t report them, you can. Keep your own house clean or your server will forever be the one with the bad reputation.

You are acting like we support cheaters und are happy that they destroy our reputation.
Why can’t you report cheaters on our server? You sure can and we too. We reported the Bots in the lake I think a hundred times the first week and Miller and Piken did the same… nothing happened… don’t accuse us just because Anet can’t keep those Bots out of our borderlands.

“We need to take control of our Server back”? We don’t support them and we keep reporting them.. what else should we do? “We got a large contingent of cheaters”? You saw 1-2 Flying Mesmers and the Worm-Freak.. I’m sure this three players represent a vast ammount of players on our server >.>

I get the feeling you don’t really want to hear what I’m saying.. Abaddon is a fair Server but this week we sadly got a few loners who cheat their kitten off. You are free to report everyone who isn’t playing fair.. we don’t need those people on our server, but please stop accusing the whole server und exaggerating too much.

It is also ridiculous to think we are keeping a bot army that pops up whenever we need help. I really can’t believe those incidents where a bot army should appear and def our keep. Why and how should farmbots do that? You know how Abaddon deffs it’s keep quite often? We gather inside the keep, set a portal behind the attackers and burst them down. Most pealple at the gate realize this move far to slow and it is a cake to end a siege this way. If our TS-Group of 30-40 Players appears behind you and stays on the same spot and later scatters to finish the last players… this is surely no bot-zerg!

~Starfall
{Abaddon’s Mouth]

This is quit a lot of flame and assumption in here.

1) The Part that made us laugh the most today: “The fighting Abaddon-Bot-Zerg”. I don’t want to insult Gunnar and Aurora but both your servers lack a bit in ‘open-field’ fighting strengh. Millers Sound and Piken Square were really strong when the zergs met on open fields. Your groups are easier to take down, for example with “attack and retreat” through mesmer portals. It has nothing to do with Bots, that we move a lot with the mesmer portal. The big amount of players who died against the guards were random-players who moved with our TS-Group.. wasn’t the first time.. but I’m sure they will remember some time ^^

The Bots withing the Lake.. they on the other hand are real and we hate them because they take our slots. Those bots were on Millers Sound first and after we killed them to many times they switched to Abaddon. Now we are stuck with this crap. I hope you will kill them as often as possible… we would really appreciat that.

2) The one incident with the flying orb hacker:

We had a nice 30-40 man raid going when we noticed, that someone from our server hacked Gunnars Orb. Nobody encoraged the hacker, nor did we want it to happen. Luckily for Gunnar (and for the fair-play) the hacker placed the orb in it’s spawn place and not withing the keep.

Yes we tried to stop the retake of the orb.. but we didn’t succeed. We did this because it would be the normal reaction if the hacker hadn’t been there.. because we still don’t know who did this kitten we.. mh.. ignored the fact that it happened. Maybe Gunnar is right und it wasn’t quite fair-play.. but I think it might have happen the same way if Gunnar was in our place.

3) All the other accusations:

I was on a loooot this weekend and I can’t confirm that all those other hacks did occure. I think it’s a bit exaggerated and Abaddon also noticed players of other servers who obviosely did cheat a little bit ^^ [Khul] for example is a guild i have never ever heared of.. and i play abaddon-wvw since release.

Conclusion:

We apologize for any situation where an exploit brought Abaddon some kind of advantage but we surely aren’t a server full of cheaters. Until this week not a single server accused us like this and it makes us a bit sad. We aren’t successfull because of hacks, we are successfull and that might attract hackers.

We all noticed that we play a different kind of gameplay (you work with a lot of siege, we work a lot with mesmer) but it is still a nice and even game. I hope it stays like that the rest of the week.

Greetings from Abaddon,
Starfall