Guild Wars 2

FenX.5687:

My suggestion :
Add a special action key that instantly refreshes all the siege weapons within x radius.
That action key could be available within a tower/keep so that there can be other special actions when outside a structure.

The WvW mastery can be applied :
1/ enable refresh special action
2/ increase radius
3/ decrease activation time
4/ etc…

Special action key is something added to the game that hasnt yet found its purpose in wvw.

I would be in favor of something like this. It entails more active review of siege.

Junkpile.7439:

Enemy seems to have too much players so population could die little bit more.

I see what you did there.

Straegen.2938:

No server you can xfer to has what you seek. I move around between linked servers to mix up the fights… best you can do in the current environment.

This^.

The major drawback to it is the gem cost.

Positive is you get to see how multiple smaller host servers work, which might be a safer way to scout servers. And if you find a community on a host server that you like, try to transfer there when they open.

Not likely to get into BG anytime soon. They are too fat.

Straegen.2938:

Seasniffer.1763:

BG’s NA isn’t really that strong, they just rely heavily on QQ/AHMA/FOO pinsniper/exploiters. (Yes, pulling commanders into terrain to get them stuck is an exploit)

They have managed to keep their Bay, Garri, Lowlands, Aldons, Jerri since reset. They have kept Klovan for nearly 5 days… Klovan. You don’t do that without coverage and numbers during NA Prime.

Yeah… seems as if some people would like to get a reaction rather than be factual.

BG may or may not be skilled in NA prime, but I can’t imagine they don’t know how to PPT.

Saying population is fine would be a mistake.

However, recent release of living story stuff always pulls a moderate amount of players from WvW. If for nothing else, curiosity.

Two to three weeks from now is a better gauge.

morrolan.9608:

Choppy.4183:

morrolan.9608:

They can run with the constant zerg and hit 1 and get the tickets, and there’s not many times when there is an outnumbered map.

Zergs don’t get pips faster than anyone else. Badges of honor, karma, loot, sure, but not pips and tickets.

You do if you’re consistently coming 1st and it takes much less effort to maintain your participation in a zerg. Hence why anet yet against fails to break up zerging and indeed makes it worse because they fundamentally don’t understand the mode.

Strider Pj.2193:

But their Zerg is so big that they can just spam one? And you are not outnumbered thus giving you more pips per tick?

Population deficits have caused problems, but Pips isn’t one of them.

Outnumbered also depends on the 3rd server, thus it is not consistent even facing BG.

If BG outnumbers the map, both servers will get it.

Sorry, but I don’t think you are nearly as outnumbered as you think you are.

Seasniffer.1763:

BG’s NA isn’t really that strong, they just rely heavily on QQ/AHMA/FOO pinsniper/exploiters. (Yes, pulling commanders into terrain to get them stuck is an exploit)

Ahma and foo don’t run NA….

@dealdrick: agreed on the incentive part. Give a reason for a ‘choice, don’t force people to do something they don’t want to do.

Choppy.4183:

Strider Pj.2193:

But their Zerg is so big that they can just spam one? And you are not outnumbered thus giving you more pips per tick?

Population deficits have caused problems, but Pips isn’t one of them.

Sorry, I don’t follow. The claim is that BG has an unfair advantage to get the new wvw gear. That gear is gated by tickets, which are acquired by pips. Pips flow at the same rate provided you reach a pretty low activity threshold, with zerging adding nothing to flow of pups (and tickets).

If BG is truly so much bigger than its opponents, then, if anything, the opponents will get an advantage through the outnumbered buff, even if rarely.

Either way, I see no advantage to BG on this front. Considering you can roll around and kill sentries and take to get the pips flowing, being able to mash 1 in a blob isn’t any kind if advantage.

My argument was the same. BG is not granted an advantage in Pips nor rewards.

The servers facing BG, (if BG truly is so big that it only has to spam ‘1’ as was the poster’s premie) then they would be receiving the outnumbered buff thus allowing them to put gain BG players in Pips.

SnowPumpkin.1809:

Strider Pj.2193:

SnowPumpkin.1809:

Strider Pj.2193:

And honestly, there are 7 locked NA servers ATM. If your server is unlocked, recruiting now would be ideal.

4 out of 7 of those servers are linked to offset population loss in WVW. The other 3 are not. My server lost many players when BG was open for a bit and hasn’t been opened or link to offset that. We can recruit all we want but no one can transfer and no one wants to WVW anymore because of the way WVW is set up. It’s so sad to see because we were one of the top WVW servers.

So, is your server open?

If it’s Mag, make has issues independent of population. It has one of the larger populations of people currently hibernating because there are no ‘fights’. Plus they, as a whole, state they don’t PPT. BG isn’t the fault of that currently. They haven’t been in Tier 1 for four weeks.

Mag didn’t want BG. And honestly no one wants in tier one right now.

People here pushed for one up, one down. So, in T1, it is a race to third place.

But the other servers that are now open? Are they recruiting guilds? People forget that is how BG operates. They encourage guilds to come when opened. And yes, that encouragement might include gold…

I wonder if the servers that are now open, are encouraging guilds to come?

Yes I am on Mag and we haven’t been open for awhile. BG was open not long ago and we lost players. I just think most of us don’t see the point. Were up against linked servers, or servers that have recentlly been opened to transfer. We never have enough people in WVW now. We didn’t want to be T1… who does? I agree. That means fighting BG who always seems to have a higher WVW population than anyone. The only way we had any chance against them was when we had a link and then that was taken away and we have been locked for awhile.

I can understand that.

I can’t understand why servers that ARE open, aren’t recruiting players.

BG will bleed players off it. They likely will remain locked for some time. And no, they likely shouldn’t have been opened the last time.

That still doesn’t explain why Mag is struggling vs their current tier other than hibernating or staying true to themselves about PPT.

morrolan.9608:

Choppy.4183:

morrolan.9608:

Your full threshold is far too low. Servers are full yet have populations too low to earn your shiny new WvW rewards at a rate similar to say those on BG. There is manifest inequality between servers and this impacts on progress towards rewards due to the way you’ve set them up. Linking as a way to mitigate this is a failure partially due to the wait between relinks which is far too long.

How does BG have an advantage to get the new Wvw gear? If anything, servers who can get the outnumbered buff have the advantage in that regard, otherwise it’s even.

They can run with the constant zerg and hit 1 and get the tickets, and there’s not many times when there is an outnumbered map.

But their Zerg is so big that they can just spam one? And you are not outnumbered thus giving you more pips per tick?

Population deficits have caused problems, but Pips isn’t one of them.

SnowPumpkin.1809:

Strider Pj.2193:

And honestly, there are 7 locked NA servers ATM. If your server is unlocked, recruiting now would be ideal.

4 out of 7 of those servers are linked to offset population loss in WVW. The other 3 are not. My server lost many players when BG was open for a bit and hasn’t been opened or link to offset that. We can recruit all we want but no one can transfer and no one wants to WVW anymore because of the way WVW is set up. It’s so sad to see because we were one of the top WVW servers.

So, is your server open?

If it’s Mag, make has issues independent of population. It has one of the larger populations of people currently hibernating because there are no ‘fights’. Plus they, as a whole, state they don’t PPT. BG isn’t the fault of that currently. They haven’t been in Tier 1 for four weeks.

Mag didn’t want BG. And honestly no one wants in tier one right now.

People here pushed for one up, one down. So, in T1, it is a race to third place.

But the other servers that are now open? Are they recruiting guilds? People forget that is how BG operates. They encourage guilds to come when opened. And yes, that encouragement might include gold…

I wonder if the servers that are now open, are encouraging guilds to come?

SkyShroud.2865:

Strider Pj.2193:

SkyShroud.2865:

Apparently my analysis on the server design is correct and likewise the issues, actually those designs and issues are common sense. Deleting and remaking worlds still the only way to go to balance servers but mehz, people want the gamemode to die instead.

No. It is just they do not feel your solution is the one that will work. It’s not more complicated than that.

It is no different from just wanting the gamemode to die anyway.

But see? That is going on the assumption that your analysis is correct.

They don’t feel it is. It’s not personal.

And honestly, there are 7 locked NA servers ATM. If your server is unlocked, recruiting now would be ideal.

SkyShroud.2865:

Apparently my analysis on the server design is correct and likewise the issues, actually those designs and issues are common sense. Deleting and remaking worlds still the only way to go to balance servers but mehz, people want the gamemode to die instead.

No. It is just they do not feel your solution is the one that will work. It’s not more complicated than that.

Malpractice.7850:

I found this highly frustrating, as I tried to transfer off my server with my guild, but Anet decided to lock servers early that week by about 2 hours.

So, I’m stuck on a now dead, t4 server, without my guild, and unable to move to another server unless i constantly swap every 8 weeks to a new server and use my gold/gems to stay in a competitive scene.

Customer service refused to assist.

Wait…. there is no set time to lock or unlock servers… chance people take when they swap servers. Unless you move down. Now.. many servers are unlocked again. So you should be fine. Unless your server is BG…

Magnuzone.8395:

Brilliant idea here. When a treb shoots a cow, it should leave a corpse at impact. And necros have the ability to ressurect it and ride it as a mount. With new skills.

Dead Cow skills:
1) “Moo of death”. 10 closest enemies die immediatly and cannot res for 10 min.
2) “Clean grass”. Your cow eat so much grass that 15 enemies fall though the ground and end up in an random HoT map.
3) “Bullcall”. Raise a dead bull lover that attack your enemies with furious humps.
4) “Moove”. Kick all surrounding enemies with your hoofs and jump back to spawn.
5) Elite skill “Digest”. Your cow eat the closest enemy commander that must pass though all 4 stommachs with 25 stacks of unremovable torment as a result.

Very nice….

Charr car. There.

Sovereign.1093:

is it based on the period of play? the number of players? or both?

Because a team of 50 who play 6 to 8 hours may end up closing the server vs a team of 150 who plays 2 hours at a time.

Know what I mean? >3<

Is it limited to timezone? etc. etc?

Without looking up the threads where Anet discussed it, the general gist was play hours. Not people. And only based on play hours in WvW.

Also, as far as population status, it was not understood to be time zone based.

Now, I think they have tried to take time zone coverageinto consideration as far as the links, but I certainly do not know that.

I am also understanding that Anet will not release actual population numbers or the actual algorithm as it would be too easy to game it.

Though, I think Blackgate has been one of the most effective servers at hibernating in a coordinated fashion to influence the server status.

And the amount of tears from one WvW track is similar to 2 paths of an exploitable (meant explorable but the auto correct was too funny/appropriate) dungeon.

So, the actual gift for one track would be too much. Maybe buff the tokens some in the track, but otherwise, leave it like it is.

I main necro. Meeting up with a Druid is death for me. Likely it’s L2P for me,

Pets were always a crutch until the last several months. Don’t nerf them. They help make Druid a valid and effective roaming class.

Leave it alone.

Might be better served putting this in the general game part of the forum. Either the PvE section(as this would be more likely to happen to LLL of the armor instead of just the WvW ones) or the official Anet discussion forum: Reddit.

Don’t use tactics banners but I assume that all of the other classes can use their utility skills while holding a banner?

Agree with OP.
Suggestion in the interim would be to plague lands the gens, the bomber the hell out of them with the ACs and disables. But of course that entails you having one or two necros that are condi.

Juular.4729:

Feral.3609:

…and the worst game fixing idea of 2017 goes to drum roll…… The OP of this thread.

Armor is EASILY acquirable. There is absolutely no need to lock people into fixed stats. Have you seen pvp? All anet does is remove amulets and it’s still unbalanced and not fun. Stats aren’t the issue, it’s the power creep introduced by HoT.

You also mention that necros are overpowered and the basis of your reasoning behind this.. really? It’s honestly a L2P issue. I’ve fought some great necros in my time and I have to say that all but one of them were power. As for 100 stacks of bleeding, you would die before the second tick.

have you met a viper/trailblazer nerco with deathly chill yet?, like i said requires testing, could work maybe not, why not give it a try, L2p will not save u when your out of condi clears.

So… one vs one? Yep. You are likely gonna die. That level of balance in WvW has never existed. And honestly, amulets would probably NOT work on large scale.

If you are looking for a ‘fair’ fight, evidently your class is bad at necro fighting.

I’ve seen power necros kill a condi necro, seen condi and necro thrives kill condi necros , seen druids kill condi necros.

Not gonna say get gud because I don’t know you, but there are some classes that own others 1v1. The way it should be in WvW.

Think of it this way… why was the rifle developed? Because it was superior to the bow.

Don’t bring a rifle to fight a tank, and if you are driving a tank through an anti tank field, you are gonna lose..

WvW is designed for combined arms. Period. No 1v1 balance exists nor SHOULD it exist.

Juular.4729:

I keep seeing build diversity in wvw as a counter to this debate, what wvw are u guys playing?, run condis or guard bunker or go home, really.

Then I would counter if that is the only way you are playing, then you are likely getting stomped.

Builds allow you to counter those same things. If you can’t build to counter it, then I would suggest you get with someone who can help you theory craft to fight it. Or remain an easy target for those of us who DO theory craft.

Every build has an effective counter. Maybe not 1v1, but WvW isn’t made for that anyway.

Deihnyx.6318:

Bigger tag based on rank

So… tag measuring party instead of….

Pens: I think you missed the quote where I applauded you and your guilds decision to destack.

Again, it is about choice to me. I don’t care as much about the other guilds I play with and around.

And if you read what you quoted you will note it is about my guild.

Yuffi offered options about keeping guild mates together.

I have only noted that the choice should be just that: a choice. Not something forced on us by deleting the servers.

That is the crux of my disagreement with the ideas presented here.

SkyShroud.2865:

Strider Pj.2193:

SkyShroud.2865:

Strider Pj.2193:

SkyShroud.2865:

Quaygal.5327:

Tiny Doom.4380:

No. I’d sooner they deleted WvW altogether than delete the servers.

Server pride doesn’t just matter. It’s the only thing that matters. Without it the game mode is Nothing vs Nothing.

I’m just going to quote this guy as an example of someone who doesn’t comprehend the suggestion. I know a lot of you are intimidated by blocks of text, so here’s my TLDR. What if you choose your server when you stepped into WvW for the first time. Not right before you pick your first character’s hair style? The big advantage being that any server could recruit any unassigned player. The rest of the ideas are optional tweaks in my opinion.

SkyShroud, two words, elevator pitch. Work on it.

Yes, I have difficulty organizing all the ideas, formatting them and write them in a concise manner. =(

Strider Pj.2193:

It is still forced. And you can’t guarantee that guilds would remain together.

Not missing the point at all.

It is true, not all guilds will be together. That ’s absolute truth but what so different from now? Guilds are being forced to move out of their servers with the lowered threshold or guilds can stay to slowly be drained over the weeks, months or years. That is something you repeatedly agree with others (in your post histories) and understood but apparently, you are not admitting the similarity.

You are correct. Aspects of it are happening now. Where I disagree is that under the options listed here, we lose the option to move. It will be initially forced on us. It takes away a choice. I cannot agree with that.

I appreciate that you feel a small number of people will be negatively impacted by this, but if people in my guild cannot get into the world I am on, because they were on vacation, or away from the game, or just took a break, it would truly hurt the game experience that I enjoy. I am unwilling to take that risk.

Yet you agree that guilds now should be slowly drained over the weeks, months or years or choose to pay $$ to save themselves from a decision of anet where they forcefully reduced the threshold?

In other words, you rather watch your friends’ guild be slowly drained while they not able to do anything other than transfer off?

Yet in other words, you rather have your own friends or your friends’ friends who want to join you in the game now get stuck outside of the server due to full server, then being force to choose a new server and have to pay for transfer to move in when open?

As opposed to having a choice?

Yes.

Thankyou. Now I understand it isn’t about friends or guilds or community like what you keep claiming.

Great bait. Enjoy your weekend.

Both tomes are only for character level i.e.: 1-80. Neither work for WvW levels

SkyShroud.2865:

Strider Pj.2193:

SkyShroud.2865:

Quaygal.5327:

Tiny Doom.4380:

No. I’d sooner they deleted WvW altogether than delete the servers.

Server pride doesn’t just matter. It’s the only thing that matters. Without it the game mode is Nothing vs Nothing.

I’m just going to quote this guy as an example of someone who doesn’t comprehend the suggestion. I know a lot of you are intimidated by blocks of text, so here’s my TLDR. What if you choose your server when you stepped into WvW for the first time. Not right before you pick your first character’s hair style? The big advantage being that any server could recruit any unassigned player. The rest of the ideas are optional tweaks in my opinion.

SkyShroud, two words, elevator pitch. Work on it.

Yes, I have difficulty organizing all the ideas, formatting them and write them in a concise manner. =(

Strider Pj.2193:

It is still forced. And you can’t guarantee that guilds would remain together.

Not missing the point at all.

It is true, not all guilds will be together. That ’s absolute truth but what so different from now? Guilds are being forced to move out of their servers with the lowered threshold or guilds can stay to slowly be drained over the weeks, months or years. That is something you repeatedly agree with others (in your post histories) and understood but apparently, you are not admitting the similarity.

You are correct. Aspects of it are happening now. Where I disagree is that under the options listed here, we lose the option to move. It will be initially forced on us. It takes away a choice. I cannot agree with that.

I appreciate that you feel a small number of people will be negatively impacted by this, but if people in my guild cannot get into the world I am on, because they were on vacation, or away from the game, or just took a break, it would truly hurt the game experience that I enjoy. I am unwilling to take that risk.

Yet you agree that guilds now should be slowly drained over the weeks, months or years or choose to pay $$ to save themselves from a decision of anet where they forcefully reduced the threshold?

In other words, you rather watch your friends’ guild be slowly drained while they not able to do anything other than transfer off?

Yet in other words, you rather have your own friends or your friends’ friends who want to join you in the game now get stuck outside of the server due to full server, then being force to choose a new server and have to pay for transfer to move in when open?

As opposed to having a choice?

Yes.

SkyShroud.2865:

Strider Pj.2193:

@skyshroud: there are no attacks. I am simply pointing out my disagreement with your premise and why. Much like you are doing,

Also, your last quote takes my comment out of context. With context, my statement about the GM of MaS choosing to move.

And yes, you chose to stay.

Again, both not attacks but accurate statements.

I am not here to attack you nor Pensadora. I respect the work that you have put into this idea.

I respectfully disagree and have been vocal in that disagreement. That’s all.

You would like people to vote for deletion. I would not.

Please watch the video.

Ad Hominem attacks is having you criticizing Pensadora’s decisions to move server and not critising Pensadora’s suggestion in itself.

Furthermore, you also wrote Pensadora and myself are from same server thus implying our agenda thus using that to discredit the suggstion. Again, not criticizing the suggestion itself. Of course, I counter argue I made similar post 2 years ago, thus proving you claims false. Please be objective.

Ok… no… but ok. Good luck in this. I DO appreciate your effort in this, and inDO appreciate that you feel it is in the best interest of the game mode.

I disagree.

Again context.

Good luck.

SkyShroud.2865:

Quaygal.5327:

Tiny Doom.4380:

No. I’d sooner they deleted WvW altogether than delete the servers.

Server pride doesn’t just matter. It’s the only thing that matters. Without it the game mode is Nothing vs Nothing.

I’m just going to quote this guy as an example of someone who doesn’t comprehend the suggestion. I know a lot of you are intimidated by blocks of text, so here’s my TLDR. What if you choose your server when you stepped into WvW for the first time. Not right before you pick your first character’s hair style? The big advantage being that any server could recruit any unassigned player. The rest of the ideas are optional tweaks in my opinion.

SkyShroud, two words, elevator pitch. Work on it.

Yes, I have difficulty organizing all the ideas, formatting them and write them in a concise manner. =(

Strider Pj.2193:

It is still forced. And you can’t guarantee that guilds would remain together.

Not missing the point at all.

It is true, not all guilds will be together. That ’s absolute truth but what so different from now? Guilds are being forced to move out of their servers with the lowered threshold or guilds can stay to slowly be drained over the weeks, months or years. That is something you repeatedly agree with others (in your post histories) and understood but apparently, you are not admitting the similarity.

You are correct. Aspects of it are happening now. Where I disagree is that under the options listed here, we lose the option to move. It will be initially forced on us. It takes away a choice. I cannot agree with that.

I appreciate that you feel a small number of people will be negatively impacted by this, but if people in my guild cannot get into the world I am on, because they were on vacation, or away from the game, or just took a break, it would truly hurt the game experience that I enjoy. I am unwilling to take that risk.

@skyshroud: there are no attacks. I am simply pointing out my disagreement with your premise and why. Much like you are doing,

Also, your last quote takes my comment out of context. With context, my statement about the GM of MaS choosing to move.

And yes, you chose to stay.

Again, both not attacks but accurate statements.

I am not here to attack you nor Pensadora. I respect the work that you have put into this idea.

I respectfully disagree and have been vocal in that disagreement. That’s all.

You would like people to vote for deletion. I would not.

Swamurabi.7890:

Maybe the players that moved their guild from an overstacked full server to one that has recently become full see the difference in the number of players they group with and realize that a newly full server will never have the number of players that an overstacked server has.

And that in order to balance the populations between servers some players on overstacked full servers will not be able to play with their friends.

I’d take a balanced game over the current unbalanced one even if it meant that some players were no longer able to play with their friends.

So, not trying to be adversarial here, but you would be willing to leave your guild and play with a completely new group of people?

If so, I applaud you for that. But there are many, and I do not claim to speak for them, that play this game and have continued to play this game because of that community they are a part of, and being forcibly removed from it would cause me to leave the game mode.

Yuffi.2430:

Strider: the alternative I suggested allows servers and guilds to stay together whilst greatly reducing the impact a stacked server would have on actual fights. Isn’t this what you want?

I’m also intrigued – who is the OP’s server mate trying to force change because they made a choice to go to the server they are on which did not work out as intended? I don’t see this in the posts, but maybe I’m not reading them right.

As far as I can tell from the posts here, SkyShroud has suggested a way of resetting all the servers. This puts everyone in the same position of starting afresh. I have offered an alternative concept that retains existing servers and guilds. You seem to disagree with both ideas. Are you happy with WvW as it is then? Do you have any better ideas to put forward?

Thanks for the reasoned reply Yuffi. Sky Shroud and Pensadora are both on HoD. At least by their sigs which neither have denied.

In several threads, both have pushed for ‘blowing/nuking/deleting’ all servers and starting from a clean slate. Pensadora ~six months ago moved his guild from BG to HoD in an applaudable move to destack, and shortly after the move, all of the servers were locked.

My point is simply he and his guild made a choice, and the suggestions that they have put forward in this and the other three threads would force that decision on all of the population, without a guarantee that people could play with the people they have in their guilds. It would rip apart communities without allowing them a choice.

Sure, I understand that once everyone was displaced, they would have a choice about where they go, but you, and they cannot guarantee me I can play with the people I play with now, when the servers are deleted/nuked/blown up.

That is simply my point and one they are unwilling to concede.

Thanks Yuffi. Hope to see you out there.

Quaygal.5327:

Tiny Doom.4380:

No. I’d sooner they deleted WvW altogether than delete the servers.

Server pride doesn’t just matter. It’s the only thing that matters. Without it the game mode is Nothing vs Nothing.

I’m just going to quote this guy as an example of someone who doesn’t comprehend the suggestion. I know a lot of you are intimidated by blocks of text, so here’s my TLDR. What if you choose your server when you stepped into WvW for the first time. Not right before you pick your first character’s hair style? The big advantage being that any server could recruit any unassigned player. The rest of the ideas are optional tweaks in my opinion.

SkyShroud, two words, elevator pitch. Work on it.

It is still forced. And you can’t guarantee that guilds would remain together.

Not missing the point at all.

OriOri.8724:

ThunderPanda.1872:

OriOri.8724:

OP didn’t ask for the amulet system….. All he asked for was to remove PvE stats from WvW. That in no way means you have to go to the amulet system. Most of these comments aren’t even relevant to what was proposed.

Juular.4729:

Make it like PvP, you can keep your look.

When did PvP get another system? I must be out of the loop

If you look at the title, its clear that when he said make it like PvP he means to not allow PvE stats, becauses that’s exactly what this thread is about.

You guys all assumed he wanted the amulet system when he made 0 indication of that.

So, create what amounts to a third system. I wouldn’t be opposed to that, as long as it allows for my current armor sets. Change traits, change skills, but leave the armor alone. I want the build diversity. I want to theory craft.

I don’t want ‘simple’. I want it to be hard, so when I out think a fast button pusher, I can still win. There is as much skill in theory crafting a counter build, as there is in pressing buttons faster.

Sarrs.4831:

No thankyou. Permalocked core servers means they’ll get starved out and people will slowly but surely migrate into the link servers, which can be effectively managed.

Agreed. The OP and their server mate would like to force a change on us because they made a choice to go to the server they are on, (or in the case of this OP stay on the server they are on) which did not work out as they intended. Now that they are locked, they want to nuke the servers.

They made a choice, and had that opportunity, but because that choice did not work out the way the wished, they want to take away our choice.

It’s classic really. But that is what this comes down to.

Ikr? I hate that someone has to actually think about how to counter both condi and the meta. People should just be given easy ways to do things. Thinking is for smart people.

Yeah…. let’s just do easy mode.

/sarcasm off

^. What he said.

Pensadora.9478:

Strider Pj.2193:

You can’t tell me guilds will be together can you?

You haven’t answered that.

Period. You have AVOIDED it. Plain and simple. You have stated they can move together if they are organized. If they are too slow, likely they are split.

Again: you chose to move. Let others have your choice.

Your option to blow it up, removes that choice. No.

You might have missed this one in all the discussion above:

SkyShroud.2865:

By blowing all up, you don’t have to force them on any servers. You are just simply forcing them to choose a new server. They can still liaise with each others on the new servers to join. The guilds can do that. The pugs not in any wvw guild can choose random servers. It will balance out if put in the proper systems.

There, does that help? New systems… proper systems, which offer a choice of a new world.

A brave, new world.

A new and improved, balanced, competitive world – and ….

MORE than just ONE.

MANY new worlds ….

for ALL of us to enjoy,

not just the few in the gated community of T1.

Of course, they get to choose a new world. But if the world their guild is going to happens to be full, they can’t pick it.

So, yes, you will be breaking up communities. Both guilds and servers.

Using semantics of ‘choosing’ new worlds is just diplomatic speak for forcing them into a new world, and having a realistic chance of having guilds and communities split up against their will,

Again, you had a choice. I don’t agree with forcing that choice on others.

Yes. Your model of blowing it up.

Starting from scratch if you will.

You can’t tell me guilds will be together can you?

You haven’t answered that.

Period. You have AVOIDED it. Plain and simple. You have stated they can move together if they are organized. If they are too slow, likely they are split.

Again: you chose to move. Let others have your choice.

Your option to blow it up, removes that choice. No.

No. /15 characters

Pensadora.9478:

Strider Pj.2193:

That WAS part of the discussion at hand. You made a choice on changing servers. Now, because the server you are on is considered full, (whether coincidentally or not) you and a few others are advocating taking that choice away from others and forcing them to change.

Ummm. nooooo. I haven’t taken anything away.

No. You haven’t taken anything away. If you read my post, I didn’t say you took anything away.

What I did say is you, and a few others are advocating for a change that does remove the choice that you made.

You feel your idea is for the best. That blowing up servers and placing guilds at risk of being split up involuntarily is for the best.

No where have you advocated, indicated nor stated that whole guilds could remain together. Some guilds have inactive people that pop back on in three to four weeks. Your model potentially screws them.

That is not acceptable to me. Nor the majority of the posters in this thread.

Despite your claim of consensus.

That WAS part of the discussion at hand. You made a *choice* on changing servers. Now, because the server you are on is considered full, (whether coincidentally or not) you and a few others are advocating taking that choice away from others and forcing them to change.

Pens, you brought up collision. I did not. Merely pointed out that the few, and it is by definition a few (per Webster a 3-15) people that seem to want a change, not necessarily your change.

You stated consensus. Consensus by definition is agreement by the majority. There is not consensus in ‘blowing it all up’. That you do not verbally recognize that is a credit to your attempt to sway the deva to take your position.

I am merely pointing out to you that you do not have consensus. And that the majority of people here in this thread disagree with you.

Not that you need to hear it, but I applaud your attempt to change something that you disagree with, yet, it is interesting that you didn’t disagree with this same system prior to moving off Blackgate. Which is why it is relevant to this thread.

Sorry Pens. You have determined that the consensus is with you. It isn’t.

There have been a handful of people in here that agree with you. Two of them from your own server.

People that disagree have left the thread for dead. And it travelled quite a bit down the list before it was bumped up again by a server mate of yours.

Why did MaS drop to HoD? Why did you leave BG? Why wasn’t this posted four months ago by you before you moved?

Why is it since HoD was locked that suddenly you want to blow it up?

Context.

Before you start saying there is ‘not a lot of resistance to blowing it up’ realize there hasn’t been much new traffic tou your post besides those of your server, two to three others that agree, and the bulk of the rest say hell no.

TheGrimm.5624:

Pensadora.9478:

Checked the World statuses just a few minutes ago and NSP has opened.

As I understand things, this means the Population Algorithm has responded to WvW activity on NSP dropping below the benchmark, but I’m not sure its been able to discern why.

NSP currently has two links, and they were able to push up into T2, but now is open.

Made me think about players boycotting a matchup, and whether servers will open because there is new content to play and activity will possibly wane for a bit.

Anyone with insight on this and whether the algorithm would be affected by a boycott to playing in a particular matchup?

Based on previous threads the algorithm should be multi-week and account for things like this unless it is sustained population decreases.

I cannot quote the thread , but I was under the impression it is not a one week process. That is was more of a multi week rolling average.

I also do not think we have seen Arena net ever give the details. Most likely because with details, it becomes easier to game it.

Blackgate has been the most effective at it, but other servers have done it some too.

Regardless of the system, people will game it. (There is a whole thread about someone likely killing their own alt over and over to keep participation up)

SkyShroud.2865:

Warcry.1596:

SkyShroud.2865:

I have zero idea on NSP geodemographic.

So why did you bother saying anything in this thread? :p

It is like a “in before assumption” thingy

IKR? We wouldn’t want to waste bandwidth.