Guild Wars 2

if you are using rabid you will want to use scepter/x either usually warhorn and dagger
this is because your wearing condition damage armor

if you want to do more condition damage i recommend getting either trailblazer or viper gear expertise increases your condition duration. keep in mind if you plan on doing raids you will want low toughness unless you plan on tanking.

you said you like to use the greatsword id recommend using bezerkerers to maximize your damage with your greatsword and if you want some surviveablitily you could go with marauders instead. dagger/warhorn and greatsword will offer the highest potential direct damage you can do however if you wish to use a range weapon i’d recommend using axe as it does more damage than the staff.

hope this help you can message me in game if you need more help

Ive never boosted my necromancer to 80 so i dont know what you have limited if any
aslo what type of build do you need.
are you playing in pve, wvw or PvP?

what as utility skills?

it’s been vs gaurdians(dragonhunters) and rangers(druids)

I had multiple cases where I use this skill to block a projectile and end up getting hit is anyone else having this problem?

signet of vamparism vs well of blood : traited signet effect is good traited well is … well its reduced cooldown

For wells I’d suggest either a different trait effect or add onto it
and
either buff well of power to convert 2 condis per pulse or make wells shorter in duration but at the same effectiveness
ex with 2.2k power well of suffering does 3510 over 6 pulse or 3 pulses

kybraga.7103:

Utility cooldowns are now seeable while in Shroud. You’re Welcome.
Shouts:
“Nothing can save you!”: No longer removes boons but instead reveals foes in range. Reveal duration: 5 seconds.
Signets:
Signet of Spite: Now gives 180 Condition Damage instead of 180 Power.

Darkening Shivers: Chilling a foe blinds them. Blind Duration: 4 seconds; ICD: 5 seconds. Try to come up with a better name, I can’t think of a better one. XD

Beyond The Veil: Now grants Protection to all allies in a radius when you enter or leave shroud. Radius: 360; ICD: 3 seconds.

+1

hmm the tether is a good
the reason for the minion
now the skill can bounce off a single target when used at max range
More synergies with traits

would the tether pulse damage or would it be one bit hit?

chilling winds is one of the skill i actually get a good use out of.
I got lich chilling winds immediately for a nice knockback.
that being said it is still very meh

if they took our elite transform and do the same thing what they did for the gaurdian

Id want something like grim specter call it grenth’s balance
foes lose boons allies lose condition with some damage and healing or lifeforce gain

i was using it today even with the one stack of pulsing stability you are still easy to cc. The 4th skill is seems like your leaving yourself wide open or abandoning your team it take so long to cast
it is best used on a power focused necro(or reaper) I find I am mostly within 600 range of my target which makes a long range bomber elite cd seem out of place

Has anyone tried using this skill recently beside from popping and popping out?
Post your thoughts about lich form here

Muchacho.2390:

Honestly i find some of your suggestions confusing. You shouldnt mix utility skills (minion spectral etc.) with weapon skills.

Also spectral attunement is a good trait. It only falls short because you have to give up vp for it and a full spectral build is not good currently (which could change if we good a spectral heal and some buffs to spectral walk like removel of cripple, chill and immobilise and maybe a shorter cd).

do you mean spectral mastery? or spectral attunement the trait I suggested.
Is there any specific things you want clarification on?

Spectral attunement yea does need balancing you can add your own suggestion I made a change too I think will help.

well of darkness worst well longest cooldown
maybe if they gave us an elite well it would have a 20 second cooldown and be overpower

i’ve compiled some of the changes I been thinking that would be a good improvement to the class. Please respond with your feedback.

Axe
#1
rending claws
Damage 2x: ???(no change)
Lifeforce 4%
range: 900

#3
spectral grasp 1/2 cast 20cooldown
pull your foe to you and gain lifeforce
damge: ???(same damage as unholy feast)
Lifeforce 5%
range: 900

Focus
reaper’s touch
sends out a scythe that bounces between foes and allies. cause vulnerability on foe and regeneration on allies. the first hit will create a jagged horror.
just added a minion creation otherwise no change

Spectral need a new spectral skill
Unfinished

traits
Spite
unholy fervor
reduce recharge of axe skills. Rending claws applies vulnerability and other axe skills apply chill.
chill: 3/4sec
reduce recharge 20%

Spiteful spirit needs a new effect
Unfinished!

Death Magic
spectral attunement
while your shroud is recharge 50% of damage is redirect damaging your lifeforce. Non-spectral skills sources have dimished Life force gains. Ends If your Lifeforce drops below the threshold.
Lifeforce threshold 30%
Reduce Effectiveness: 400%
replaces putrid defense

Blood Magic
Vampiric Rituals
In addition to its current effects. whenever you cast a well spawn a shambling horror.
these minions only last 21seconds
blood magic rearrange
ill attach a picture for a suggestion on a rearrangement of traits for blood magic

thoughts and reasonings
axe
pve enviroment ... get into melee... more damage dealt. pvp enviroment build defense at range engage and chase with a pull ... trait for better chasing

focus
it just feels like it needs something

spectral attunement
opens the way for flashing shroud builds and non shroud focused builds in pvp enviroments

vampiric rituals
current effect meh, thinking shambling horror would make it worth it to take traited well of blood

rearrange
vampiric and transfusion switching place ritual of life, transfusion, vampiric ritual banshee's wail, vampiric banshee's wail and quickening thirst switching place id rather have transfusion over ritual of life when i want banshee's wail.

edit
changed spectral attunement to be more balanced
removed ghastly claws as no change was done to it.
changed chill duration on unholy fervor

what problems are you guys having with axe?

I feel like if using a power build i should mostly use axe over staff however in pvp i find this is not the case

i think the main reason i use staff over axe are
1.) staff trait location
2.) traited staff
3.) unblockable
4.) traited staff has 4 main skill effect which overwieght the effect i get from axe/x

traited axe doesn’t help it compete because i don’t use it for damage and cooldowns arent an issue

i like envoy shroud as it sounds like its don’t require you camping shroud to get the most out of it. Sounds like it would be good for a flashing shroud build however flashing shroud builds don’t work in pvp or wvw

It could maybe benefit if instead of aiming at granting a little bit of all boons to grant more of a smaller set
the gaurdian weapons now all of consecrations the envoy it kinda like the dark gaurdian is what i was getting
what if the torch had a descration on it

a lot of people take staff over axe for the reason that staff has utility and axe doesnt
i think if they changed the axe like this it would be taken a lot more
1) rending claws remove vuln, add 2% lifeforce gain per hit
2)change unholy feast to spectral grasp, remove chill decrease range, decrease lifeforce gain to 10% change cooldown to 20
3)unholy fervor chalnnge remove damge bonus vs vu targets, rending claws now applies vulnerability, all other axe skills apply chill per hit 2 seconds

now your axe has reliable lifeforce generation with the possiblitity of generation a lot of lifeforce, it can help you chase people and single people out.

i read the op then i was about to mention all the taunt seems a bit much when i saw the reply you made.
Maybe edit the op with changes to reduce the amount of reading and then we can see where you are going with the changing your thinking about

you could try and make the torch similar to the staff in functionallity.
a one handed life force generation utility weapon.
have all the skills grant lifeforce

well anet improve BiP now i will only slightly cringe instead of becoming sick when i see the skill

i would like to see a flashing shroud be viable in a pvp enviroment.

if they do make it viable it would consume lifeforce too so both a flashing shroud and a shroud build
shroud less f1 useage longer duration in shroud
flashing shroud more f1 useage(maybe even strategic useage) less duration in shroud

does this encourage healthy useage of our class mechanic?

I think it does and offers a new type of playstyle.

it is decent in raids
the change i suggested might increase the useage outside raids
this change shouldn’t be unhealthly in anyway (actually testing can only tell) there are many skils that apply 5bleed and a couple 6bleed

my issue with MoC is that most corruption have no base effect unless you meet some requirement

blood is power and the corruptions i think need an overhaul but the resources needed for that may not be there

instead this suggestion should be very simple to change

blood is power
bleed yourself to grant might to yourself and allies around you and bleed your target.
damage: ???
might8(8sec)
bleeding6(10)
self bleeding2(10)
number of allied targets: 5
radius: 240
range: 1200

the reason for this change is bleeding a target for 30seconds is silly in both pve and pvp
in pvp it will be cleansed and in pve the target will die (except bosses)
in pve its really annoying to know that it takes a full minute to ramp up your maximum damage
this change doesnt affect the damage output

post your thought on corruption skills

Regen doesnt heal in shroud. Now I know most healing doesn’t heal through shroud but i think regen should because unlike other healing that come in as a burst. Regen is a slow steady source of healing. the result is necromancer not being able to properly being able to benefit from regen.

scavenger
power
ferocity
precision
expertise

the reason for expertise is the exact same reason why anet released power and condition duration together in a trait line. You would use the condition duration so you have more time to set up your burst on your target

archdemon (opposite of celestial)
power
precision
ferocity
condition damage
healing power
expertise
concentration

why exclude toughness and vitality
1) we dont actually want to create a stat set that is clearly to strong
2) healing power is more neutral than toughness and vitality and is more focused on support
3) it is important to keep both power and condition on celestial because it needs to be the jack of all trades master of none

if you have suggestion feel free to post them here.
feel free to critic any of the suggestions here

I would put my trait suggestion into the death magic trait line for those interested
What if you had a like -20% lifeforce generation when you have the spectral attunement buff. If its tested to be to strong a limitation like this could work I think

@ Tim using skills in shroud
when I talk about flashing shroud I have the intent to still use shroud skill 2-5 as they have really good effects shroud 1 in the current state would rarely be used with the build.
pros and cons of shroud interaction with trait
The pro of lifeforce vs health is the fact it take 2 points of damage to remove one point of lifeforce the con is it decreases over time while in shroud.
this would remove the con but keep the strength which I’m aware of and suggest balance work would need to be done.
using lifeforce with the traits
I like your suggestion, my aim with the trait is to use lifeforce, with yours wouldn’t it consume even less lifeforce?
@ anchoku
I agree shroud based builds are really strong
balance of the trait
I think the trait is really strong and could use some balance work. If the trait doesn’t overshadow shroud based builds I believe it won’t just be a straight up buff. This is because it doesn’t work well together.
limitation of necromancers
the idea of the trait wasn’t to fix the limitation of the necromancer it is to offer another play style.The flashing shroud build should have both advantages and disadvantages compared to a shroud based build. First a flashing shroud build needs to be semi-viable.

I know there are so many flashing shroud traits its part of the reason why think there should be a flashing shroud build. The reason why I believe they don’t work is because you can’t use your lifeforce

Tadsoul.6951:

currently flashing shroud builds aren’t viable except in low damage situations.

edit incoming damage

the idea of this thread was to discuss the interest of a flashing shroud build, the pros and cons and what it would take for actually making a flashing shroud build work.

hope this has cleared up any misinterpretations that people seem to be having.

A lot of Weapon sets have more than one mobility skill.
Thief
Staff
Dagger/ pistol

Warrior
Greatsword
Sword/warhorn

Revenant
Sword/ axe

Ele
Dagger(but they only get one weapon)

Almost all melee have a gap closer that isn’t affected by the enemies action(unless interrupt)

currently flashing shroud builds aren’t viable except in low damage situations. See the attachment for what I suggest what I suggest for the discussion.

Death Magic
spectral atunement
When shroud is recharging 50% of damage taken is redirected to you lifeforce. Lose Sprectral Atunement if your Lifeforce drops below the threshold.
Lifeforce Threshold: 30%

Pros
Doesn’t rely on the strength of shroud … shroud can be more utility focused.
major difference in play style to current options
more usage of class mechanic button.
has synergy with current traits
Cons
balance… work
less usage of shroud
may just be directly competing with current build strengths

notes
higher lifeforce and healing available outside of shroud
Has little synergy with vital persistence

feel free to add what you see as pros and cons or you add suggestion and question about how things would work. MOST importantly though please share how you feel about getting a flashing shroud build. scale 1 to 10 10 being best

added trait line I would put my suggestion in

Guys this was troll post

Applying 20 stacks of bleed to yourself while it could be a strength I think most necromancer would still not want to have the bleeding on them.

What I really think they should do with corruptions is remove the self harm and make an elite spec with a self harm theme. Also like the revenant they removed the self harm conditions because of the way it interacts with the game. Self harm condition I think shouldn’t be used.

Anyways don’t feed the troll, let it die

They should make this skill be a real risk to the necromancer
For example it should apply like 20 stacks of bleed for 1 minute
I’m in a hurry so ill post reasons later.

how about blood ritual?
in gw1 it healed you and require a sacrifice cost

hey Aerick Blackmoore.8167 just wanted to let you know i edited the op so people can find you suggestion easier
hmm i never thought of putting the sacrifice skills on the weapon you choose

I would prefer to avoid just getting 4 shouts on a weapon set
vampiric spirit and dark pact(already a skill in the game dagger3) would be good opportunities maybe an effect like phoenix

the hammer has a ton of support condition cleansing, healing and damage absorption i think would fit necromancer type better.

lastly I don’t think there should be group invulnerability/evasion.

question would this elite spec come with a new shroud?

they need to make shroud flashing builds semi viable in a pvp setting.

give us a way to use our life force in a shroud flashing build.
I think the best way to do this would be through a trait

Sandrox.9524:

Jayce.5632:

It doesn’t need blind immunity, but it should grant a 2 stack stability as a base upon cast completion + the additional stacks per target hit.

Would be satisfied with that really.

Salamander.2504:

Pre HoT classes with a CC as an elite:
Thief

HoT elite specs with CC as an elite:
Mesmer
Thief
Necro
Warrior
Guardian

The game is already experiencing an overabundance of CC and power creep. And you want to make it worse by making CTTB require zero thought to use?

Mesmer-> one blind wont effect the skill.
thief->low cd elite.
Warrior->low cd elite.
Guardian->one blind wont effect the skill.
engineer supply crate->blind wont effect the skill much
necro flash golem-> if you be able to blind him fine – he still there to hurt you.
necro lich->ppl dont choose this skill for its CC.

some skills like moa morph or CTTB should be granted blind immunity imo or at least an effect that gives somthing upon casting….and CTTB still very obvious to dodge/block/evade/just walking a bit away so it is still need thought to use it. Blind imo is overkill. Again not saying this skill is not strong though blind make it a bit less so and with no logic behind it since this skill animation,description and intend, is no aim just freeze anyone blindly in the sorroundings.

I used lich form for two reason
1. the cc
2. stability + the damage
since stab changes i have stopped using lich

blind should remain effective vs those skills

as a power necro i use axe over staff
the biggest weakness i find when using the axe is the offhand choices

if you want a larger corrupt you can alway combine skills .. we have multiple sources
axe
signets
Path of Corruption
corrupt boon

i find the flesh golem and flesh wurm and rise to be good and at least worth to consider bringing simply because their activated abilities work well.

blood fiend, bone fiend, shadow fiend, bone minions i find all these minion don’t work well, unless in a minion master build. I think their activated abilities could use a buff.
blood fiend also doesn’t heal you ins shroud limiting its ability

Where do you find minions useful?
pve, limited use in spvp
Where do you find minions not useful?
WvW
Would you use a full set of minions without minion traits
no
would you use one minion with minion traits
no
would you use one minion without minion traits
no
which gear sets would you use minions with?
3,4,5,6,7

Hey guys I would like community feedback experiences using minions.

Where do you find minions useful?

Where do you find minions not useful?

Would you use a full set of minions without minion traits

would you use one minion with minion traits

would you use one minion without minion traits

which gear sets would you use minions with?
Legend
1) power with no defense ie beserker
2) condi with no defense ie viper
3) power with some defense ie mix of beserker and soldier
4) condi with some defense ie mix of viper and dire
5) power with full defense ie soldier
6) condi with full defense ie dire
7) celestial

I feel like the changes we will be seeing are finished already but I will make suggestion anyways either way I think they will be good

the greatsword doesn’t usually preform well in pvp setting
change soul eater
Soul Eater
Reduce recharge on Grasping Darkness by 50%
possible issues
it is a large increase of potential cc, Lifeforce and chill , but it could be the thing the greatsword need

i’d like to see a flashing shroud build to be effective in pvp i think it would be a fun alternate way to play the necro class

trait
Shrouded attunement
while your shroud is recharging 50% of incoming damage is redirect towards your lifeforce.
this effect ends early if you drop below the lifeforce threshold 30%

my two cents
add more unblock-able effects
with the amount of block effects now i think adding more unblock-able would be fine

reduce invulnerability and evade effects
there is no counter play to invulnerability and evades and should be limited.

Tim.6450:

I wonder if a necromancer with this trait will ever be able to enter death shroud? I would prefer a flashing trait that gives us some defense back like :
shrouded resistance: when entering shroud your life force bar can’t decrease for 2 seconds, increase the cooldown off exit shroud skills by 2 seconds.

Its only active while shroud is on cooldown not when you aren’t in shroud. You will be able to go back into shroud.
Also i’m going to add this
this effect ends early if you drop below the lifeforce threshold 30%

We have traits that benefit us for staying in shroud and traits that benefit us for flashing shroud.
shroud flashing builds or play style doesnt really work so i suggest a trait to make them work
Shrouded attunement
while your shroud is recharging 50% of incoming damage is redirect towards your lifeforce.
this effect ends early if you drop below the lifeforce threshold 30%
deathly chill should stay in reaper i think because elite spec should be usable by most but not optimal by all.

dark path I agree should lose the projectile

tainted shackles is good. does it need a buff?…. i like buffs

We have traits that benefit us for staying in shroud and traits that benefit us for flashing shroud.
shroud flashing builds or play style doesnt really work so i suggest a trait to make them work
Shrouded attunement
while your shroud is recharging 50% of incoming damage is redirect towards your lifeforce.

deathly chill should stay in reaper i think because elite spec should be usable by most but not optimal by all.

dark path I agree should lose the projectile

tainted shackles is good. does it need a buff?…. i like buffs

what would be better sigil of corruption or doom on the second weapon set

i was thinking about working on making either a revision of my cultist using a set of health percentage trait or working on a demon hunter idea with venoms and long range.

necromancer need lots of buffs from these buffs the current meta necro will like see little to no change but other necro option will open up.

maybe i don’t understand how the skill functions but it sounds like its very easy to leave for most classes and skills like ring of warding sound better or just as powerful with no penalty

i think dark prision wouldn’t be worth the cost I would make it stronger or change it

edit fixed the typo