Guild Wars 2

Could get Bayonetta gear design too :v

Arikyali.5804:

I’ve been training myself to use D/D for WvW, so I’ve taken it against some of the most disadvantaged matchups in PvP duels. Obviously I lose – a lot. But hey, that’s fine; it’s the only way to learn, and I like to believe I still give people a run for their money.

So out of curiosity, I went D/P…

…And it’s adorable-kitten-full-of-cuteness AWESOME. (and I am so ashamed to admit that!)

Stealth whenever I needed, without needing to aim my CnD. Teleport facestab for easy burst. Mix it with D/D and who cares if I lack range? I’m practically leaping back and forth everywhere and destroying everything. Like what the heck? This is so OP!

So…what must I do to keep myself from devolving into the meta D/P nub teef that spam 2+5 and nothing else? I mean, using D/P with strategy isn’t….gimmicky, right? Right?

Please say right.

piece of advice

Don’t allow other people to tell you what to do with your own life.

And apply that in game societies as well.

messiah.1908:

obviously the OP dont know the blind mechanism
blind only mitigate the first attack used while in blind condition
thus if thief use BP on you dont use the key skill rather than use AA to clear the blind first than use you key skill on him
thief area blind control is for short period and you can still attack thief even if you stand outside the blind ring so dont stand in it
also as mention above thief cannot spam it as it cost 6 ini so if thief spam it he basically cant hurt you for 4-8 seconds

that’s the biggest lol actually people do.

U blind chain them, they keep using heavy skills, after you stop using it, they’re left with auto attack and then, they come to forums and say – blind too OP.

kitten for brains really.

Let’s remove backstab, elite skills healing and decrease HP pool to 1k only.
I bet 50 bucks that other classes will still cry about thieves.

I’ll +1 hihey xD

D/P sure is an easy mode and very effective, for both damage wise and survival.
But let’s face it, it’s also a very good build vs kiting opponents like necros.
I did personally learn to not be Backstab dependent since I’ve noticed there are loads of players who know how to counter it.

//not counting Steal +BS since it’s hilariously easy.

Would choose Sylvari if it was an Elf like race, instead of a flower with hands and legs. :|
That’s what I did like in TERA – races there are amazing.

your char looks smexy

Tynyss.8237:

4. DO NOT fear Thieves! This one is very important.

it’s mentality.
In many MMO games when most people get 1 hit from a truck(here let’s say 10~15k) they start to panic and smash random keybinds.

Azawrath.7304:

Blocks, evades, etc. are defensive abilities which means they are supposed to negate damage and not punish the player. I do believe certain classes and runes do punish players for attacking a blocked enemy. But since blocks and evades do do their job which is to negate damage I see no problem.

Also tell me how a shield on a players arm that is in front of them can block a hit from the back :P

Blocks, evades, etc. become very useful against thieves when they don’t allow the thief to land a CnD. But you also mention OP D/P which doesn’t need someone to stealth off of. IMO D/P is an extremely easy build to play. I do think they need to nerf it but I haven’t decided which part of it should be nerfed.

So I don’t agree with blocks and evades punishing you but I see where you are coming from. But I totally agree there is no skill involved in D/P and something needs to be done about it.

what’s the point of nerfing thief build and some other ones which can be countered if you will use your Brain? /no offence, not directed at you anyway

D/P is an easy build but doesn’t mean it’s flawless and it can be countered by any class.
Problem lies within players and lack of creativity. Mostly works this way:
- if someone beats me up all the time with certain build, it means it’s too OP – wtb nerf.

I’m saying that because I have seen it in lot of games and it always did end up with never ending nerfs on that class – already have seen NCSoft doing that, outcome was horrible.

D/D build with CnD properly used is OP as well – how much does it take to learn how it works and prepare for a counter?

Well, I’ll quote a some admin from other MMO:
- Let’s make everyone have 1 HP and 1 MP and let them pvp – fair and square.

NinjaEd.3946:

Clones of any kind are a mesmer thing. I think us being masters of stealth, we hould get some sort of aoe stealth for groups (like wvw). Sr requires people being in the field and only afffects 5 people.

Id prefer a thief’s dirty alteration of veil

Shadow Curtain- place a wall that grants allies stealth an reveal to enemies.
3 second stealth
3 second reveal.
Duration 7 seconds
Combo field: smoke
Cooldown 120 seconds

Gives us reliable stealth OR reveal counter to enemy veil/mass invis to help thoef zerg support. Something thief is far behind on is group wvw play. We CAN play in zergs or havoc squad but we dont bring a whole lot to the table aside from anti backline.

there is, it’s called Shadow Refuge 60sec cd(48 with trait) 12+ sec stealth. Best troll stealth skill for Backstab.

But as for me, problem with Thief doesn’t lie in special ability skills or elite ones.
D/D – should be the mandatory of any thief, should be hated so much that makes people rage – it doesn’t.

Death Blossom – small evade + 3 stacks of Bleed. Would be great if that bleed at least did cause some sensible damage, or if we did like 6~9 stacks of bleed, it would really hurt – but it doesn’t :|

Dancing Dagger – it gives a cripple debuff for 3 sec, so it’s obvious that we do not spam it, but 4 initiative? At least could hit 2 times harder and animation….if someone have seen or played Neverwinter Online, Trickster has an ability called Blitz – he steps back by 2m and throws 3 daggers forward at angle of ~100(honestly I would put that into gw2)

Cloak and Dagger – I kinda can say, this skill is pretty much useless, unless you’re facing total noobs who act like they have 2 000ms spikes. It’s a hug-range skill, animation is utterly slow, 3 sec of stealth and on top of that costs 6 initiative. If we’ll hug stealth, any decent player will aoe, or roll twice forward or on the sides. It’s such an obvious skill…. Backstab is a big no for it.

So any sensible wepon setup is D/P.

Shadow Shot – blind + pull yourself to target + Unblockable / can’t make something sensible like this for dagger in off hand?

Head Shot – Daze, very short, but can save your butt by disturbing oponents
Black Powder – aoe smoke with Blind effect.

I’m not hating here, or making it look like Thief is weak or bad since I saw many good Thieves but having a normal 2 base skills in D/D which matters…..

If it comes to Elite skills:

Thief has very good Elite skills, where sometimes I wish I could choose more than one
- Dagger Storm / no need to explain
- Thief Guild / funny skill, that brings more chaos to battle
- Avatar of Melandru / Stability for 20sec, OP
- Repear of Grenth / I would prefer some nice boost to damage and crit damage, instead of some poison with chill – no need for chill, we have Heartseeker for that and Steal.

Really? I believe that Thief is one of few classes that actually has pretty much nice elite skills.
Maybe it’s a compensation for crap base skills on d/d build -.-

Dahkeus.8243:

Tao.5096:

Love it when I’m finishing someone in 1v1 and I’m 1 shot by kitten cannon.

That’s what you get for standing in a giant red circle. Maybe you should PvE more. =P

it doesn’t matter, if you’re defending a point, it’s around 3 sec to switch from one point to another on cannon – when you’re focused on your enemy I doubt you pay attention what’s on the ground.

Tho I’m playing gw2 for almost a week now ^^
So gotta get accustomed to it.

Love it when I’m finishing someone in 1v1 and I’m 1 shot by kitten cannon.