Guild Wars 2

styx.7294:

1 person tying up 10 people is pretty heroic. Yesterday we broke into Bay at Darkhaven and there was only 1 [Mort] guy defending the lord room and that’s the sorta guy I’d buy a beer for.

That same guy went down fighting later on in the Hills lord room as well. DH needs to canonize that guy.

Theftwind.8976:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

DH does have more people and better coverage than GoM and HoD, but not enough to be unbeatable in this tier. However, HoD seems to be more content with fighting over table scraps than making a push to actually try to win. 2nd place = still lose.

HoD picking up table scraps? Funny how we call GoMs scavengers then. You can bet your bottom dollar that if DH is making a major push in HoD you will find GoM lurking around to pick up what DH does not take. Prime example was when DH was pushing our keeps GoM went and scavenged the supply camps. Or yesterday when HoD was busy in EB on the left side of the map, GoM was pushing us on the eastern flank yet as soon as DH backed off GoM disappeared. Then again I keep forgetting about the non-aggression pact GoM has with DH. My bad!

I actually like HoD, so I’m sorry if my words came across otherwise. You’ve got some good folk and are a joy to fight against.

But, neither GoM nor HoD can tackle DH’s full force head on. We both know this because this match-up has been going on forever now. For either of our servers to have a chance at winning, DH must be kept off-balance so their PPT stays manageable. They’ll definitely make up some points in the off-peak hours, but at least the scores will be much closer. Then, Thursdays/Fridays can be a mad dash for the finish line instead of us duking it out over 2nd place while DH squashes us both.

Having to log in and go take back our keeps from HoD just wastes time that we could be spending on suppressing DH’s score output.

Exedore.6320:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Population is all it takes to move up. Any problem can be solved by throwing an endless stream of people at a gate until it falls (see Kaineng).

Entirely not true. Having played Kaineng in tier3, we could always overcome their numbers in NA primetime with better play. Kaineng’s strength is the War Machine guild, which can cause queues in multiple maps while most servers are asleep. Without War Machine, Kaineng would be stuck in tier4.

Agreed. Kaineng’s oceanic crew (WM+SoS and others) can win most of their match-ups for them in the mid tiers. But I don’t think you realize the population difference over in T7. Here, 20-30 people on one map is a zerg. Pushing for 40+ pretty much leaves all the other maps undefended.

Population is all it takes to move up. Any problem can be solved by throwing an endless stream of people at a gate until it falls (see Kaineng). That said, I much prefer the play-style here in the lowers. Less coverage means you have to pick and choose your targets, and fortune favors the mobile over the entrenched. Even small party tactics can span all four maps thanks to the lack of queues.

DH does have more people and better coverage than GoM and HoD, but not enough to be unbeatable in this tier. However, HoD seems to be more content with fighting over table scraps than making a push to actually try to win. 2nd place = still lose.

Yikes, DH is really starting to run away with the score now that we had to stop and deal with HoD.

Not sure if this idea has been pitched or not (I’ve only somewhat skimmed this thread), but why not simply set the rating ceiling to 2000 and floor at 1000? Tiebreakers for placement could be resolved by your finishing result from the previous week relative to tier (1st place in T2 would be weighted higher than 2nd place in T1, for example).

Under this idea, JQ, SoR, SoS, and BG would in the running for T1 placement, with Kaineng in striking distance.

Likewise, in T8, SF/FC/ET would all be at 1000 rating, with GoM and HoD only about 30-40 points away. A T8 blowout by SF would elevate them to T7 or possibly even T6 after just one week.

melodey.4652:

I think I even saw ravens hanging on the walls of Bluebriar- I do not approve of that décor.

Sorry we offended you. We’ll have those old RH banners immediately torn down and replaced with this new design.

Wryscher.1432:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Here’s a quick video from DH’s victory at Bay in our borderlands last night, obligatory epic battle music included. There were roughly 12 of us holding out as long as we could against 50+ once the wall came down. But numbers or not, DH are some resilient mofos and great competitors.

Just figured you guys would like to see how things look on our side of the screen. This goes out especially to Actium as some inspiration to continue his own epic story.

http://youtu.be/9imf31vvd-4

Nice video and it makes me think of every Alamo movie i have ever seen. I did notice one thing though, I was watching a thief video and I didnt see any heartseeking or extensive rending abuse going on. Obviously you have not read up on how to play a thief properly, and the guild may have to revoke your thiefing license.

Nope, and I don’t use any stealth abilities, either, unless it comes from another player or I steal it from an enemy thief. Evasion is where it’s at.

Here’s a quick video from DH’s victory at Bay in our borderlands last night, obligatory epic battle music included. There were roughly 12 of us holding out as long as we could against 50+ once the wall came down. But numbers or not, DH are some resilient mofos and great competitors.

Just figured you guys would like to see how things look on our side of the screen. This goes out especially to Actium as some inspiration to continue his own epic story.

http://youtu.be/9imf31vvd-4

Welp, time to go steal some DH camps.

First reset night I’ve played in a long time, and it didn’t disappoint. Good fights all over the DH borderlands. Shoutouts to [MoRt] and [PD]… we’ll probably cross paths all week long again.

Goorman.7916:

What do you think about when somebody says “World versus World”?
Well, my personal thought is “wasted space”.What do i mean? Just look at attached image.I marked places, that are wasted from pvp prospective.There are nothing important there worth fighting.So at least(that is my evaluation) one third of the map is wasted, this third is not going to be used for it’s primary goal: pvp.
What do you think?Do you agree that all this place is wasted?

I disagree.
As a thief, my map looks a little different.

They might have been escorting someone to get map completion or partying up for a JP run or something. We’ve been fighting each other for so long now that people have started to make friends across servers. But don’t worry, DH and GoM are still very much at each other’s throats, and that will likely continue again this week.

Not from what I can tell. DH was all up in our koolaid last night and we had to shoo them away with violence. If anything, it seems like everyone else is just leaving HoD alone. :P

melodey.4652:

Good grief Anet… Well, here’s to another week of fun times with familiar faces! Anyone for a GoM/HoD/DH WvW drinking game? Add to it!

- Every time DH loses a supply camp, drink
- Every time you get pwn’d by a GoM 1v1, drink
- Every time DH takes a keep in EB, drink
- Every time HoD sets up a treb, drink for every shot they fire, for each treb, until (if) it’s taken down
- Every time someone QQs on the forums, drink
- Every time the PUGs try to melee a wall down, drink
- Every time a golem dies, drink
- Chug if you take Stonemist, chug everything in your fridge if you lose it.

You mean you don’t already play that drinking game?

I celebrate every Thirsty Thursday with one of these:

Looks like we get to fight DH and HoD for another week!

Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Update-No-WvW-Rating-Reset/first#post1313585

Update 2/7/2013:
We’ve been keeping a very close watch on this week’s matchups and, despite our concerns regarding the recent population shifts, it seems that many of the games are quite competitive. At the same time we’ve been evaluating some possible changes to the math we use to calculate ratings. After examining a number of new methodologies for weighting the outcomes of matches we have found that our existing formulas already do pretty much what we want them to do. Certainly none of the candidates that we tried yielded better results.
In light of the strong community response to the idea of a WvW ratings reset, the results of our ratings formula investigations, and our data on the current matchups we have decided not to reset the WvW ratings at this time. All existing WvW ratings will be preserved and the rating calculation methodology will remain unchanged. Any existing mismatches should be corrected by the system in relatively short order. Now that there is less volatility in the player base for each world we expect the quality of matches to improve more quickly. This is both because the rating system is operating in a less unpredictable environment and because more stable teams tend to produce better results.
Thank you all for your feedback on this matter, and for your patience while we explored the various options. The community response was a key element in our decision making process.

nalenb.1425:

Labarge.1439:

nightfend.4072:

This reset will be rather hilarious for Maguuma and Dragonbrand as both Tier 3 servers (who are currently fighting Kaineg) will drop into last place or close to it. This means several weeks of completely crushing the other lower ranked servers.

Even if Mag and DB get put together, I feel bad for the 3rd server that will get railroaded by this recalculation.

If the calculations stay the same, it will be…. Eredon Terrace.

Crap.

And if we both crush ET but tie each other, do we stay in tier 8?

Probably, or perhaps DB/Mag would move up to another tier together due to similar score.

But don’t quote me on that. I don’t math good.

Jeknar.6184:

Moddo.7105:

I have it from reliable source that this is Anet’s new math.

I don’t see the blue team on the picture… I think this is flawed…

Not shown: Sticky notes with server names all over the wall for the drunk employees who miss the dart board completely. That’s how blue team is picked.

I’m happy with being the villains of your tale, though.

Just one request… if you ever post this story anywhere outside these forums, you need to leave the “You’re pretty kitteny if you think that would kill me.” line as is.

melodey.4652:

I’d just like to say, midweek in the last week we’ll probably face GoM and HoD for awhile, that I love everyone in this bar. [RH], just a shout out to quite possibly the most fun I’ve had in WvW defending our borderlands. I used to get insanely frustrated with your epic ganks as I trot through our borderlands but now it’s like getting sliced and diced by old frenemies. You guys REALLY like Sunny, don’t ya? Saying “Sixth time’s the charm!” isn’t something I thought I would ever have to do over the course of a night. Twice holding at the guild lord (seems to be a popular spot for us to lock daggers these last few weeks). Our team chat defending against you is always a riot, thanks for keeping us on our toes.

I was the gunslinger thief in that group last night.

It’s because of [MoRt] and friends that I’m running on 3 hours of sleep today at work. You guys are such fun to fight against that we kept coming back for more. We would’ve probably tried Sunny again another few times had we not been called in to go get our EB keep back.

Thanks for the awesome fights! I lost track of the number of wipes on both sides.

It’s common sense. If you break out to a comfortable lead, you should be expecting the double-team. There’s no spoken alliance between GoM and HoD. If HoD is disrupting DH’s holdings and it benefits us to allow them to do so, we’ll simply leave them be. Once the points gap narrows, then all bets are off. But until then, if we’re not targeting DH, then we’d be playing for 2nd place. And that’s just silly.

The fact that it makes some DH players mad is just icing on the cake.

To the DH commander that lost a 1v1 to an asuran p/p engineer last night near the northwest camp sentry… I was level 5

I didn’t catch your guild tag, though, so your secret is safe for now.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

For all the GoM complaining about being hit by both servers at once, we’re just trying to maintain second place. The only way we can do that is by focusing on GoM while DH just steamrolls the both of us. It’s nothing personal. We love you guys.

Why play for second? You guys are better than that!
DH does have more people and will probably win again this week, but there’s no need to make their job easier. Take the fight to them and look at the scoreboard only after the dust settles.

TogoChubb.3984:

LOL, I guess PD has worn out our welcome in GOM east keep.

The ram offering placement was all wrong. The Great Lord Flame Ram was not pleased.

kreese.9461:

Also one final shout out to TeamBattleAxe, the RH guild, and all of GoM you guys have done a great job reorganizing. Darkhaven we wish you the best as well, I know we will have the same matchup next week but I may not even bother posting in the WvW forums for a bit so thought it was good to post this now on a Friday before reset salute

Thanks for the kind words! Scarecrow, Setkira, Jael Fae, and several others have really stepped up and gotten things rolling behind the scenes for us. Commanders are communicating well with each other, we’re starting to attack/defend with purpose, and more importantly, our players seem to be having a lot more fun out there. Of course, having two good, scrappy servers like HoD and DH around to constantly keep us on our toes helps as well.

Nuzt.7894:

Or …. or, you could stop letting DH make you their kittenes.

Thats right, I went there!

We love DH! They give us tons of free loot and, in return, we let them hang out in first place for a few weeks. It’s a pretty sweet gig.
http://youtu.be/vwo-4Pkzv4g

Nuzt.7894:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Nuzt.7894:

BP (as they are)or NSP (with a bit higher pop) and GoM (again with a bit higher pop)

If all 3 contenders had they same pop I would have to say the old AR/BP/GoM matchup.

I’ll second the AR/BP/GoM match-up. I’m long overdue for making another Smash video and I’ll need two scrub servers to film battles against.

Oh no you didn’t !

Bike racks, noon !

Just hand over your lunch money and I won’t hurt you… much.
And tell your server to stop hiding in higher tiers like a bunch of cowards!

Quick shout-out to the p/d thief from [PD] on Darkhaven. Thanks for the duels!

Tossed Fikitten380:

Fight night anyone? Same place, same time?

I should be in.
Looking forward to it!

nytrusoxyde.3170:

Just some later evening/night fun this week in EB…

http://youtu.be/GO_Nl-uiT5Y

I didn’t see any red structures getting hit in that video. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

Nuzt.7894:

BP (as they are)or NSP (with a bit higher pop) and GoM (again with a bit higher pop)

If all 3 contenders had they same pop I would have to say the old AR/BP/GoM matchup.

I’ll second the AR/BP/GoM match-up. I’m long overdue for making another Smash video and I’ll need two scrub servers to film battles against.

Wryscher.1432:

I am sorry it has come to this but I wish you all well on Gates of Madness but like so many others I have packed my bags and run away like a sissy.

I tried. But sunday night in EB was to much for me. Loosing fully upgraded towers with sieges built because no one would come defend while 3 commander types stood on the wall of the keep making fun of each others guild tags. DH taking the left side, HoD taking the right. But at least they had the trebs guarded I guess. The suggestions from dumbos to just let them take stuff so we can take it back because it is quicker. The chuckleheads who wont quit buying the gun upgrades first.

I thought all day monday about going decided not to, but then I logged on to the 2 minute and 30 second warning to the new build grabbed the stuff out of my guild bank and ran. I didnt want to, I mean my last post I even said going to T8 wouldnt be bad. And it wouldn’t be if I actually felt like we were doing something.

So anywho not that anyone cares, just me and the GF and our two person guild running off.

Wish you all well, and glad to see people are working on plans to get things moving in the right direction. Im hanging out on Anvil Rock they always seemed like decent folk when we were fighting. Maybe some day down the line you will move up to us, or us down and you can show me just how poor my choice was by stabbing me over and over.

http://youtu.be/SHoNWwhzh3M

(but at least you didn’t go to Kaineng!)

Soooooo…. fight club this week?

Ilesyt.7084:

Maybe they should bring out 2 kinds of rams, Silent Ram and Loud ram.

But which one shall we worship? Thou shalt worship no false flame rams in His name.

Fizzlepip.5218:

@ the few people that do this sort of thing and exploit a busted hillside… c’mon.

It’s been quite a fight in your BL, GoM

I always thought that part was intentional. After all, there’s a big ol’ ramp in the terrain directing you where to go. Without that option, vale would be the only camp with only one entrance (excluding border entries).

Now, that ballista placement…. :P

Detharos.3157:

Sup tier 7 peoples. I hope you all are ordering lots of lube in advance.

I like SF. They always gave us a good fight even when we had numbers on them. I’d be more than happy to have a re-match.

kreese.9461:

TeamBattleAxe did you join RH?
kudos to GoM for their efforts in WvW and rebuilding – in the end I think GoM and us are going to get some transfers when pay for transfers go live as we should be cheaper – looking forward to the fights GoM always brings it

Yep. I’d been pretty much just roaming and flipping camps solo for the last few weeks since my gaming group only does dungeon runs now. I got the chance to run with RH a few times and had a blast. Good people, extremely well-coordinated, and always willing to take the fight straight to your doorstep no matter how outnumbered or behind on the scoreboard. As soon as they told me they were sticking with GoM after free transfers were over, it was a no-brainer for me.

I’ve noticed that several other freelancers I’d see on a daily basis have also recently joined up with other great guilds like [ASH] and [RISE]. I guess we’re all on the same wavelength that with many guilds leaving for greener pastures, we really need to stick with and strengthen the ones that stay. We don’t have a server-wide alliance or anything, but we’re definitely becoming more tightly-knit.

This isn’t the first exodus that GoM has had to suffer through. We’ll be alright. We’ll simply find ways to do more with less and become better players for it in the long run.

Next week’s fight club should take place IN the jumping puzzle.

Should be home in an hour. Keep it going!

Tossed Fikitten380:

Anyone know why when someone quotes me, my name changes from Tossedfikitten380 to Tossed Fikitten.380? Unless it’s just me and I’m going crazy o.0

Edit* It even did it in my post! It’s supposed to be Tossed Fish! :<

It’s probably the “sh .7” in your name triggering the obscenity filter. It’s really picky with letter/number combinations and probably mistaking that part for the other 4-letter word that starts with SH.

Guess you should just probably change your account name to Tossed Fikitten so people recognize you.

Tossed Fikitten380:

-My Concerns for fightclub this week-

I helped coordinated fight club on the HoD side when Kain offered to do fight club. I want to do fight club as much as the next guy and I might even be there for tomorrow but there are a few problems.

1. It’s a really close match, least between HoD and GoM. Are you guys willing to sacrifice men for fight club to have the possibility of losing what you have? I can’t guarantee my server will stop to do a fight club… We’re trying our best to win and we want you guys too. When Kain did fight club for us, it was a complete blowout, so some of the big guilds were able to join fight night rather then painfully try and retake our BL and our part of EB.

2. Communication between servers. I don’t know what GoM did but Kain’s [RE] let guest into their vent to communicate better. Some people wanted to fight specific people. I volunteered to join their vent and I was able to coordinate everyone on my server who went to this event. It was great. If someone interfered with a fight and they don’t listen to the coordinator, then we tell the other server to kill them.

Me and Kreese are trying to work out a way for others from GoM and DH to join us on a team-speak program to make things go easier. Unless you guys have one for me to join and I’ll be the representative for HoD.

Point being, you probably won’t see much HoD tonight at fight night. Since we might be stuck together for the next few weeks, feel free to add and pm me to help make fight night happen.

-Scoot

Perhaps we could plan for a different day? Thursdays are bad during close match-ups. Maybe something like a Sunday or Monday night would be better since the weekend rush will be dwindling at that time anyway.

Yeah, it’s looking like I may not get off of work ‘til later than anticipated as well. Hopefully, it’s still going to run for a few hours like the last one did.

New page, new reminder about Fight Club. Since the quote feature appears borked at the moment, here’s the copypasta from Shiver’s post:

Reminder:
——————————————————————————————————————————————
Event: FIGHT CLUB
Date: Thursday the 24
Time: Proposed 7 PM East (same time as WvW reset)
Location: GoM Borderlands, South of Champion’s Demense, west of the Mill
——————————————————————————————————————————————
Bring Banners as they are used to identify the spot where contestants stand before a battle. People form lines behind a banner to “queue” up for next fight.
Be informed that both contestants are required to /bow before the battle starts. /bow equals “I am ready”. Do not engage before a /bow, its kinda rude/bad.
Spectators can stand on the side, coming to the event doesn’t force you to fight anyone.
You can party with people from the other servers to talk to them. If someone jumps repeatedly near you/on you, it means he wants to talk to you or would like to fight you.
- Basic rules in the original announcement (page1)
- Could be a good idea to tell about the Fight-Club to your guild/other people who might not read these forums.
See you Thursday 24 7PM East folks.

Prosecutor.1457:

GoM.. Suprise happening in 1 minute.

Screenies or it didn’t happen..

You can do it with about 8 or so, maybe less. But it’s kind of silly and impractical at that point.

We are currently training our npc breakout commanders how to fly hack so that they’ll be prepared if anet ever brings orbs back.

Rashagal.5867:

The name of the game is Guild Wars. I don’t mean to come off as a jerk, but cooperation is the entire point of this game. While they might not have been near your level 1v1, they showed great coordination as a team to pull off that many “from defeated” revives. If the game was about facerolling pubs 1v6, they wouldn’t have put so much emphasis on the team aspect of the game. Guildwars has always been a franchise that values the community that plays together and works towards a common goal, and everything from Story mode quests, to PVE, to sPvP, and WvW reflect this. It may be cheesy, but if you were expecting this game to be about dominating entire armies by yourself, maybe you shouldn’t have skipped those cut scenes where the Divinity Reach settles their differences and learns about teamwork.

There is a certain sense of realism in the way they balance this game. You aren’t supposed to beat 6 people up by yourself. Its not a realistic goal. If your goal is to distract that many people for as long as you did while your buddies flip a camp or grab some points, then you most definitely succeeded, otherwise, grab some guildies and run a 5-man.

Ok, so scale that 1v6 up to a 5v30 and re-evaluate the situation. Should 5 skilled players working as a team ever be able to take down 30 randoms?

I think a fair approach to rewarding skilled play instead of sheer numbers would be to increase damage to downed opponents (enough to negate 2 opponents worth of rezzing) and to make defeated players un-rezzable until out of combat. If it seems like a bit much, keep in mind that both sides are affected by that.

Theftwind.8976:

… and using that tiny area as a safe haven is nothing more then exploiting a bug in the game design, something that Henge has too much honor to copy.

Sorry, but that’s just not accurate. I don’t like those invul spots any more than you do, but every server, HoD included, has people that will use them. Exploit or not, until a patch comes along to fix it, you should plan accordingly. As stated earlier, it’s not possible to cap from those spots and there’s no scouting advantage that couldn’t be achieved by simply standing on the cliffs anyways. All you’re missing out on is a kill, which if you’re playing for K/D, you’re in the wrong game mode. :P

We’ve been enemies for months, but I’ll vouch for ‘em. HoD are some good, classy peeps. If they’re asking for help, go give them a shot. T7 is the best match-up in the game at the moment.

Besides, I need badges for a new pair of pants. :P