Guild Wars 2

Sir Vincent III.1286:

TheAngryLuddite.1834:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Harder content should reward better loot. Reward players for playing well and beating harder content. That’s really all I can say on this topic anymore.

That’s about all there really was to say from the beginning, probably.

Isn’t it that higher level fractals already have access to “better loot” not available in lower level fractals nor in World Boss chest?

The definition of “better loot” is undefined and fully subjective.

Having access into getting Ascended Items and Fractals item is, to me, a better loot than the vendor trash I get in most of the World Boss events.

As you said, it’s subjective.

And the subjective position most of us are taking in this thread is that fractal chests are nowhere near as rewarding as world bosses right now, while fractal chests actually present a challenge – particularly at higher fractal levels.

Reasons Fractal Chests are Currently Less Rewarding:

Account bound exotics in the fractal chests (like tribal, ceremonial, and un-prefixed skins) are less worthwhile than TP sellable world boss chest exotic drops.

Receiving only Blues and Greens in a fractal chest at higher levels just plain sucks, and happens frequently. Even if rares aren’t worth a ton right now, it’s nice to have at least one rare drop in a chest that has taken significant effort to achieve.

The other unique rewards in Fractals are either basically useless, or so rare as to be unlikely to drop.

Ascended Ring drops are useless past 30 – you already have the rings you need to progress at that point, you can’t do anything useful with the extras right now (they are account bound, they can’t be salvaged, they can’t be tossed in the mystic forge), and they drop like candy.

By the same token, Fractal Relics are pretty useless for the same reason, considering you’ve probably already bought everything you want with them, and are now simply stockpiling the tokens in case they ever become useful (much like the rings).

Fractal Skins most of us of course want, but the drop rate is pretty minimal, and the chance you’ll actually get the one you want is even lower.

That leaves the off-chance of a Fractal Skin drop the only real draw to repeatedly run fractals in the 20’s and beyond.

There is no reason the hardest content in the game should be less rewarding than world bosses, which present no challenge (unless you count trying to defeat overflows, bouncing between waypoints, and waiting around ikittenone thumbing your nose).

Conclusion:

The general subjective collective opinion in this thread (opposing yours) is that fractal chests at higher levels should be at least as rewarding as world boss chests – which they currently are not, for all the reasons stated above and in this thread.

Fair?

Rising Dusk.2408:

TheAngryLuddite.1834:

It seems most of us on the forums have been hitting bad RNG there lately.

This is confirmation bias. The only people who post about it on the forums are those with the bad RNG. Those with the good RNG don’t post, and so you get the false feeling that something is wrong when, in-fact, nothing is wrong.

That was actually what I was trying to get at by saying ‘most of us on the forums,’ but I phrased it poorly/incompletely.

I meant that most of us on the forums are having a bad string of RNG, hence the various posts about stuff like this. Thanks for clarifying (note: not sarcasm).

Of course, I also agree that Fractal loot tables could use a buff.

There has been pretty much absolute radio silence on anything related to Fractals of the Mist from the Devs for the past few months.

Any way you could get a comment on their plans (or lack thereof) for Fractals in the coming months?

I can’t find the quote right now, but Anet has stated that there should be no DR in place for Fractals.

You’re not the only one with crappy loot in fractals lately, however.

It seems most of us on the forums have been hitting bad RNG there lately.

I hate to say it, but I’m gonna guess bad RNG, combined with loot tables that don’t have such high chances as we are now used to with world boss chests.

It does feel like I’ve had worse luck in fractal loot lately (I haven’t seen an 8 rare run since the patch, which I used to see quite frequently), but the fractal level range of folks with issues here just seems to inconsistent enough to call it bad RNG in general, as opposed to lower FotM level dropping better loot than higher FotM levels.

Demeron.5423:

TheAngryLuddite.1834:

Darklimbo.1476:

TheAngryLuddite.1834:

Dear Diary:

Another 60g down the Mystic Pooper in Rares and Exotics.

No precursors, just a lot of wasted money.

You’d think I’d learn, right?

Well Dearest Diary, I just keep thinking, “If I’ve put this much into it, I must be close – my luck’s bound to turn around. How can I stop now?”

=\

I may need an intervention.

Stop wasting your money. You would be half way to buy it already.

Sage advice, this.

Now if only I’d heed it…

well I can honestly Say I love Mystic Forge now lmao… My wife desided to try Mystic Forge the other day with 40 Rares and 20 something exotic Greatswords I mailed her and she sent be back a Dusk ^^ so I have my Twilight now and im beyond happy now lol

That’s pretty much how it works.

If the MF gives you a precursor, it’s awesome.

If you spend 100s of gold and it doesn’t, it’s evil.

The camp I’m in right now should be pretty obvious.

D:

Darklimbo.1476:

TheAngryLuddite.1834:

Dear Diary:

Another 60g down the Mystic Pooper in Rares and Exotics.

No precursors, just a lot of wasted money.

You’d think I’d learn, right?

Well Dearest Diary, I just keep thinking, “If I’ve put this much into it, I must be close – my luck’s bound to turn around. How can I stop now?”

=\

I may need an intervention.

Stop wasting your money. You would be half way to buy it already.

Sage advice, this.

Now if only I’d heed it…

Dear Diary:

Another 60g down the Mystic Pooper in Rares and Exotics.

No precursors, just a lot of wasted money.

You’d think I’d learn, right?

Well Dearest Diary, I just keep thinking, “If I’ve put this much into it, I must be close – my luck’s bound to turn around. How can I stop now?”

=\

I may need an intervention.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Harder content should reward better loot. Reward players for playing well and beating harder content. That’s really all I can say on this topic anymore.

That’s about all there really was to say from the beginning, probably.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

But never mind all that, if the goal is to make money, of course the practical approach is to do it with less effort.

But what if you want effort AND material reward?

Fractals get harder… loot gets perceptibly better… it seems like a no-brainer.

In other news, there’s a new thread with folks pretty much in agreement that fractal loot past 30, and into the 40s, has been providing some very poor RNG:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/FoTM-Loot-Tables-Working-as-Intended/first#post1638763

I don’t know. Maybe you’re right, and we just shouldn’t bother with higher level fractals if what we want is good drops. The reason I’m having trouble with this, is because that just seems so counter what fractals were supposed to be from beginning – you progress higher in the fractals, you start seeing better loot. For those that have put all the time and effort into infusing their gear and climbing the fractal levels, it’s a bit of a buzz kill to routinely get the opposite feeling.

My last few runs in the 30+ range have also been worse than I remembered a few weeks ago…

Either we’re all cursed with bad RNG, we’re deluded by world boss chests, or it’s a glitch.

I had a similar thought, buried in another forge QQ thread.

Each attempt you make of tossing 4 lv. 75+ rares (or exotics) in the forge, increases that character’s odds of getting a precursor by a small amount (exotics would give a slightly higher boost), up to a certain threshold (5%? 10%? 25%?).

If you forge a precursor at any time, this resets, and you start over at whatever 0.01% chance it currently has.

They could even go so far as to have some text in the corner showing you your current ‘Precursor Critical Chance.’

I highly doubt this will happen, but it would be a mechanic that could almost be considered ‘fun’ – for those of us that consider watching numbers get bigger fun – which, arguably, is the primal appeal of many video games…

You’re just trying to get me to gamble for dusk again tonight, aren’t you.

>_>

Sir Vincent III.1286:

It will be significantly noticeable given time. The repeatability of Fractals will flood the market with rares (kinda defeat the term “rare”) and it affects the market in a negative way. Then once the price of rare drops, and your rare is valued as much as green, what then?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

I am simply providing a perspective based on the discussion topic.

While I do appreciate the value of different perspectives, I guess I just have a hard time agreeing with your point.

We’ve seen ectos drop how much from the world boss chest buff – 15s? I think they were like 40s at their peak, and when I checked last, they were at something like 25s.

Buffing fractal chests, imo, would only drop that by maybe a few silver more, although it would be difficult to discern (on our end) between that hypothetical change, and the continued saturation of rares and exotics from world boss chests.

The volume of full groups completing high level fractals, as compared to the stunning mass of players doing world bosses every day on every server, just cannot compare.

Rising Dusk.2408:

John Smith could then determine, using more information but largely the same logic I just used, whether or not improving Fractals loot would have a significant or problematic impact on the economy.

My argument is that it wouldn’t be, and that it would sufficiently reward players of difficult content. That is a very good thing.

Again, I have to agree with Rising Dusk.

The ratio of effort to reward is simply skewed after the last patch. I’m not asking for world boss chests to be nerfed already. I’m just saying it would be nice for fractal runners to see a similar buff to their chests, seeing as how fractals – especially at higher levels – are clearly a greater challenge.

It would be interesting to hear Smith, or one of the other Devs weigh in on this, if even only to counter our points as you – Sir Vincent – have been.

Darklimbo.1476:

Being trying a while now. over 200 rares and 50 exotics. No luck yet.
Overall loss of gold around 200g. I am just convinced it will not drop from the Mys.Forge for me.

But on the other hand you hear stories of a guy dropping one time 4 rares for the daily and get a pre, the other get 2 precursors on 80 exotics and you say wtfffffffffffffffff

Your pain is felt by many.

This is a pretty divisive issue – there are those that got ridiculously lucky, and those like us that saw their gold fly away on little, sad wings.

That’s not accounting for the karma or skill point cost, however.

At the same time, now that I have my clovers and stack of obby, I started buying Orrian Jewelry chests, which left me with 5 obby shard drops, so…

I guess if you have all the mats in excess, you can only profit, right?

Rising Dusk.2408:

TheAngryLuddite.1834:

Rising Dusk.2408:

If it is AFKable, then why not more people just go AFK? I think you meant to say is that, it is “LEECHABLE”.

Maybe not so much AFKable, as ALT-TABable. (…)

Heads up: you misquoted this. It wasn’t me who said it.

Whoops – my bad, and thanks for the heads up – fixed.

Copypasta error.

D:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

No, I agree. I mentioned above that I don’t find it logical either but that’s how it is.

If we use the Hall of Monument reward for example, there’s no greater reward pass 30 points other than titles which is comparable to having a rare fractal skin.

Hm. In a way I get your point, but at the same time, higher level fractals are supposed to reward better loot outside of just the fractal skins. Hypothetically they do, but the point you’re making is that you can run lower level fractals easier, and with more frequency, thus imbalancing the supposed fractal loot ladder.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If it is AFKable, then why not more people just go AFK? I think you meant to say is that, it is “LEECHABLE”.

Maybe not so much AFKable, as ALT-TABable. You can park in the mob at Tecuddle’s feet, put on auto-range, alt-tab, browse the web a little, whatever, come back, pop a heal skill maybe (if you downed, someone will probably rez you, don’t worry), make sure your auto attacks are still firing… same with the Shatterer (although he has some serious lag problems that make him basically unplayable right now anyway). Jormag as well, to a degree (although you should really be helping take out those ice pillars in phase two), though that one requires a bit more repositioning. Jormag also happens to be the most tempting to get your damage in, then kinda just thumb your nose while people take down the ice walls and 1 their charzookas away.

I think the point is that when we say the bosses are ‘AFKable’ we mean that there is no challenge. It’s boring, it’s tedious, it’s easy, but it’s free loot that you feel like you’re missing out on if you don’t do them.

And, you know, I don’t know if I hate Jormag or the Cliffside Fractal more.

Jormag is easy, but tedious, long, and mind-numbingly boring. Cliffside is the same, except it’s not as easy, and carries the danger of wiping your fractal run if someone screws up on the arm seals.

And, by that token, Cliffside should be more rewarding, right? But it’s not… you hardly get anything off the mobs, since most of them are respawners, and the chest has that chance of blues and greens.

Logically, the harder thing should be more rewarding. Right now, it’s not.

But again, I get it – you’re saying it’s not logical, but that’s just how it is.

And we’re saying: “Devs! Please hear us! This is not logical and should be changed!”

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If you are chasing rare skins, then that is in its own reward. But it make perfect sense to just run lower level fractals if you are after rare/exotic drops or just want to make a couple of golds.

But… this…

I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

With higher difficulty should come greater reward. Isn’t that how fractals were supposed to work from the beginning?

Anything but minor changes to fractals appear to be on the backburner for now.

This month’s update will be WvW focused. No telling if next month’s will give fractals any love, or not.

Now that ascended earrings have been added, and at least one is attainable within the next few weeks (if you have a large, active guild), I would assume they will at least allow progression past the 40th tier with the next patch, if you have an earring or two.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Pigwig.9813:

I agree Vincent that increased drop rates will negatively effect the market by saturating it with rares. but I completely disagree on most of your other points.

I think you grossly overestimate the number of players playing harder levels of fractals. The economic impact of making rares guaranteed from world chests is far greater than would happen if high level fractals chests guaranteed 1-2 rares each based on difficulty.

This is a pretty solid point.

Currently, world bosses are so popular that culling and lag gets pretty crazy, and often people hit overflows just trying to get to the world boss when it spawns. Each of these people is practically guaranteed at least one rare, and they can replay it on an alt, if they so desire. This happens every few hours for each world boss with a buffed chest, of which there are some 10+. That’s a LOT of rares and exotics hitting the TP each day.

Compared to this, buffing higher level fractal chests would be like spitting in a rain storm.

And, it would be a welcome addition for fans of fractals.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Here’s what I don’t understand. Why run 30+ fractals netting 1-2 rares when you can run 10-below fractals and get the same or better number of rares?

The main reason I run 30+ instead of lower fractal levels, are for those tasty, elusive fractal skins out of the daily jade maw chest. They drop from l. 20 up, and supposedly have a better chance to drop as you get higher in difficulty.

If I only have time for one fractal each day, it’s going to be the higher level then.

Unfortunately, fractal skins are pretty rare, and chances are you’ll instead get a ring you don’t need, or nothing. You might get a few decent drops on the way, but there’s also a good chance you won’t, as others have mentioned.

In other words, while ‘the journey itself should be the reward,’ when you’ve made that journey hundreds of times already, and it only gets harder as you progress, a tangible, guaranteed reward is really the carrot you’re chasing at the end of that stick in the end.

With relics pretty much worthless after a point, and fractal skins (especially the ones you want) unlikely, it would be nice to have a guaranteed rare in a chest at least, so you don’t feel like your time would have been better spent pressing 1 and F in a giant stack on a world boss.

Off-Topic: The thread URL lets me see what naughty word got kittened in the title. Never noticed that before.

On-Topic: Zommoros is a jerk. Except when he’s not. But usually he’s a jerk.

Condolences.

Red Falcon.8257:

Get into button room, all team clears it quick, one goes with stealth/kit on the panel.

Kit has been nerfed in the last patch, and is no longer a valid strategy. If you have a thief, they should still be able to pull this off.

If you don’t, you’ve gotta clear mobs, and kite the remaining ones away from the door guy. Those on the buttons are usually a sacrifice to the dredge gods, and should stay dead on the buttons until the others have gotten the door open.

Don’t do it!

I got drunk, opened a fortune cookie telling me I was going to have great success and luck in life, then (once again) tossed a ludicrous amount of gold in rares and exotics into the forge, hoping for Dawn or Dusk.

Nada. Depressing mechanic is depressing.

It would be nice if there was some sort of reward mechanic tied into the forge – like each attempt is logged, and increases your odds of a precursor. But there’s not. So… you’re either very lucky, or you’re a fool out a substantial amount of gold you could have just gone ahead and saved.

It’s really situational.

I’ve seen it work fantastically in some places, and horribly others.

I’ve also seen it fail in one place with a certain group makeup, while succeeding in another.

Due to this, I’ll never be the one to suggest stacking, but I don’t mind going along with someone else’s plan if they have a particular instance they think it’s effective. And, if we wipe due to that – well, at least I’m not the one getting yelled at.

Really?

I’d like to see even larger world bosses.

I want to be the size of an underwater boss’s pupil.

How freaking terrifying would that be? Gah, I wants it!

Honestly, I’d prefer the dredge fractal over cliffside, even with spy kits losing their usefulness. I am so incredibly sick of cliffside.

That said, the dredge is indeed a darn long fractal – but it’s about ~1g at least guaranteed, thanks to the dredge bag drops.

From what I can tell, the x6 (and x0) levels seem to have the most noticeable spike in difficulty, or the amount of mobs in each map.

This probably has to do with the amount of relics bumping up at this point.

jwaz.1908:

TheAngryLuddite.1834:

[EDIT] I should also mention here, that any exotic found in a Fractal Chest is account bound, unlike Exotics in World Boss chests.

This statement is semi-inaccurate. While yes, the majority of the exotics found from fractal chests are indeed account bound, there are a few exotic drops that aren’t, so far I’ve only had one such exotic drop in my 500+ fractals.

Someone else mentioned that too. Apparently it’s possible, but rare. Tribal weapons and base named exotics (Mace, Longbow) are the only Exotic drops I’ve seen from chests, and all have been account bound.

Someone in my guild had something similar happen. They put in 4 rare staffs and got an exotic rifle back.

I don’t think anyone outside of BP was really expecting that Monday a.m. change-up/retaliation.

Up to that point, most folks seemed to agree it was a pretty shockingly even match-up.

In light of that, the 20k lead upon waking was a bit of a brick drop moment – hence the forum-kitten-splosion.

As for that golem rush, well, as someone tagging along, it seemed like an all-in-good-fun-before-bed sort of thing at the time, and not so much worthy of: “I WILL GRIND YOU AND YOUR EVERY GRAND CHILD INTO DUST.”

Who are you BP, America?

O-:

Same thing today on the Shatterer, same home server.

Half way health, lags out so nothing is happening on screen anymore, disconnected.

Only this time, it appears everyone was disconnected – he wasn’t dead yet, and everyone was saying the same thing.

Worst part was though, we killed him after logging back on, and no chest.

Definitely seems like something wrong with this Boss in particular. Starting to think this should go in the bug thread…

Sympathy to the OP. Zommorros is a heartless kitten.

Dumping hundreds of gold into the mystic pooper and coming up with nothing is a broken mechanic.

After a few attempts of my own, I gave up, saved up, and bought my precursor on the TP finally (as it was cheaper than dusk/dawn). It was decidedly un-epic.

I know it’s tempting, but I wouldn’t (or rather – I would, and did – but hindsight says otherwise). The other night I spent about 200g gambling for it. And, of course, no precursor.

Basically, those that have gotten it after a few attempts are going to tell you to go for it. Those, like myself, that have dumped an excessive amount of gold in to no avail are going to tell you not to.

You could get lucky, and that would be great, but chances are you’ll end up with nothing, and feel like you just blew your nest egg in Vegas.

And that’s not a good feel, bro.

Just opened on Ehmry Bay – 3:17pm PST.

LONGA.1652:

Fractal chest are totally random right now.Maybe a guaranteed loadstone would make them more appealing.

That would be rad. Bring down price of lodestones, bring up incentive to run fractals.

First off, I’m aware this is a case of, “If you give a mouse a cookie…”

It’s also not my intention to complain, but to point out this new disparity.

I’ve been thinking about this since the last patch – searched, didn’t find a topic, figured it was finally time to post. If I’ve missed a thread specifically like this, point me there and lock my thread in shame.

Anyway, as we all know, World Boss Chests have been buffed. Hurray, right? Now everyone can get a number of rares each day with very little effort, seeing as each chest seems to almost guarantee at least one rare, with a chance at an exotic – supposedly even a precursor. [EDIT] I should also mention here, that any exotic found in a Fractal Chest is account bound, unlike Exotics in World Boss chests. This means that if you don’t Alt, and it’s not a weapon your classes uses, your only choice is to salvage it, or save up 4 to toss in the Mystic Forge, for 1 exotic that isn’t account bound, and can be sold. Thus, another perk to World Chests vs. Fractal Chests.

Unfortunately, that makes Fractals somewhat less attractive. To do all the usual world bosses, it takes about the same time as 1 – 2 fractal runs, depending on how timers line up. Fractals, as we all know, are much more challenging. They take skill, coordination, a knowledgeable group, and a steady chunk of uninterrupted time – usually 1 – 2 hours, depending on what fractals you get, and the efficiency of your party. World Bosses, for the most part (Orr excluded), require you to stand in one place and bash your face against the keyboard. It is what it is, and free loot isn’t something to complain about.

Where the disparity between world boss loot and fractal loot really becomes clear, however, is in the upper level fractals. I know RNG is RNG, but I ran a 30+ the other day, and landed one rare during the whole period. Not a huge deal, but still – when you open a 30+ chest, and find only blues and greens inside, it’s kind of a bummer.

Before the patch, I tried to run one Fractal per day. Now, I rarely get to it, because I’m trying to fill my World Boss quota before the reset. It’s less fun, but typically more rewarding in the material sense.

It just seems like Fractal Chests – at least in the upper tiers – should be buffed similar to the world bosses, considering the amount of effort it takes to gear up and get into those higher fractal levels, vs. the amount of effort it takes to zerg stomp a world boss.

Thoughts?

This just happened en masse for the Shatterer on Ehmry Bay server. I thought it was just me, but apparently it happened to most people.

The lag was insane – everyone was complaining in map chat. Then right before the boss died, the game hung, with about a minute of nothing happening on screen, and just a chat or two getting through. Then, disconnected.

Log back on, boss is dead, no chest, and map chat is full of people sharing the same issue.

Is there any way to make it so if you would have gotten credit before you disconnected, you still get credit and the chest is still there?

It’s the sort of problem that seems will happen again and again during primetime world bosses, due to the sheer volume of players, so…

Perhaps a workaround is necessary?

I just tossed around 200g worth of exotic and rare greatswords in, trying to get a precursor.

As others have said, some get it on the first try.

Others, like me, waste a stupid amount of money on a stupid bet.

In my experience, the Mystic Forge is best touched with a 20 foot Mystic Pole.

So, uh… I’m guessing that anyone complaining that Guild Missions are too easy, hasn’t tried T3 yet.

Our guild tried T3, three times in a row Friday night, when we had the most people on. Had a group on each bounty each time.

We learned after those tries that on T3 you pretty much have to scout out at least half of the 12 possible bounties before starting the event and hope another guild doesn’t take it out while you’re waiting everyone else to find their mark.

Coordinating 6 bounties in 15 minutes is not what I would call easy, unless you have a pretty massive turnout.

Some of the bounties are definitely harder than others, too.

That frog? We had 50 people on him at once, couldn’t put a dent in him. Deputy Brookes has some nasty AoE, but melts in a minute or so.

T2 is pretty easy in comparison, sure, but we still finished with only 5 minutes left on the clock.

That said, all of us that did it had a blast. Really looking forward to unlocking the other variations on GMs.

Ascended items should really be salvageable, if only to get back your infusions before chucking them in the mystic forge for an infusion…

It seems a bit punishing to insta-wipe +5 stat infusions that costs a collected total of 20g or so to make, should you accidentally place it on an uninfused item…

cough

Just today I was trying to place two buy orders, and somehow instead bought two items.

Lost a decent amount of gold.

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laharl.8435:

Can accessories be infused?

Eventually, I’m sure.

At the start I doubt it, however – amulets still cannot be infused. Now that there is a potential bump of additional 10ar from accessories, I doubt it will be possible until next month’s patch at the earliest.

That said, this patch hasn’t been around long enough for anyone to find out for sure (unless some guild sped up bounty fast enough, and someone got lucky enough to get an accessory drop on the first go).

I think it would have been in the patch notes if they buffed the Shaman boss.

They didn’t seem to really do anything directly related to fractals with this update, though.

Also, with all the kittening about this boss, if anything I think they’d nerf it.

stevelim.1649:

PopeUrban.2578:

I’ve found, with the rising value of rares, that the 20% chance at a yellow has made me much more money off of my greens than vendoring them.

Double recommend if you’re going for ectos.

Remember, it’s still the mystic forge and random is still random, but honestly, with all of the blues i vendor I feel like I can gamble 4s (vendored) worth of greens on a potential 30+s payout and generally come out ahead of what I was making when I vendored greens.

Sorry if this might be slightly off topic..

I’m new to the MF. I just tried throwing in 4 normal dyes into the MF and got back 1 standard dye. I tried again and no luck. I was under the impression that I would get a rare dye.

So after 2 failed attempts, I lost 6 dyes to the MF. Not sure if it make economic sense.. I could well have lost 1 gold in the process. Have I misunderstood?

Of course its all about luck but at least I believe that’s how the mechanics of it was supposed to work.

The way it works, as I understand it, is you have about a 20% chance to go up a tier – but you can’t go up two.

I always collect and throw the common dyes I already have into the forge once I have 4. I’ve only gotten a green dye back once, out of many, many times. Usually I get another common back. Sometimes it’s one I have, sometimes it’s not.

Regardless, usually all but the rare dyes aren’t worth selling on the TP once you’ve identified the dye, so if you already have it, might as well toss it in, see if you can get one you don’t.

I failed multiple times on this when I started fractals and raged on the forums in a similar thread.

The condescending replies were in fact correct – I just wasn’t doing it right.

It’s pretty easy once you get the hang of it. One person (preferably someone who is quick on their feet and doesn’t have much ranged DPS) does levers up top and doesn’t touch the boss (so that the boss doesn’t aggro onto him).

The other four range-kite him clockwise, from lava pot to lava pot, kiting or immobilizing him under the pour spot until the pour. Have at least two of the four pulling him equip an interrupt if he tries to self-heal. Dodge circles when they pop up. If someone dies, have someone that doesn’t have boss aggro break off and rez the person while the others continue to kite the boss.

Remember that he needs to be under the effect of lava in order to take significant damage. If you don’t miss too many lava pours or wipe, eventually you’ll wear him down, regardless of how low your DPS is.

It’s a little trickier if it’s the ice boss, due to the adds getting in the way, but once you get the hang of it, it’s actually kind of a fun boss encounter.

While this thread seems to have veered OT, and it seems clear ectos were not nerfed, and RNG is RNG, etc, I’d like to add to the QQ here by saying:

8 rares salvaged today, 1 ecto.

5 were done with a masters, 3 with a black lion kit.

QQ

The Ecto God clearly has me in his black book.

Ozymandias.5704:

Mika.9815:

You’ve been given free valuable loot, and want it to be made even better?

Of course. But really, it was not “free”. I fought lots of invisible champion karakas that killed me and everyone else several times over with an uber roll, as well as doing lots of events and a big boss fight.

It is an reward, not a free trinket.

But given that it is already on the “same level” as the old triforge, I do not see why not it would be able to be upgraded. Not like its gonna ruin an economy or anything. It is just sad that it will never see use again unless it can be upgraded. After all it is a cool memento from the event.

Thus I ask if anyone know if it can, or cannot be upgraded

When I saw there was an ascended karka accessory available, I was thinking this might be the case as well. If there is, though, I’m thinking it might not be in the game yet?

I took off the karka shell to see if it showed up in the mystic forge, but nothing.

Still, it seems as though it would be plausible.

Khal Drogo.9631:

I dont see a problem. LF1m thief fracts.

Yep, this essentially ups the value of thieves in fractals.

Retrospek.4583:

Pssst – although we appreciate your optimism, that’s not a solution.

OP could amend his post to say:

“Download it later.”

Then it would be a solution. Not the one people are looking for, but a solution all the same.