Guild Wars 2

Awesome idea ! Hehe… that´s what i do with other communication channels.

No Wemil, we dont need a guild to learn, manage new commanders etc. That was one of the Grand Cross job… with VAS, a structure linked.

And yes, we had big zergs (like you ! like every serv… stop deny) but like you say with coordination, stacking, following orders well. 90% of actual zergs are… meh…

you understood the point, or we do a massive work to rebuild the old Vizunah, or we let it die slowly…

Wemil.7052:

god booring pvd whole morning vizunah need to get their grand cross back in action.

Hello Wemil, we have a discuss of this right now, in the private Grand Cross chat. The massive amount of players who came for wxp/position/karma/whatever is very huge, and surround the Grand Cross/Old Vizunians passionate players (it was 95% of the server before).

Now, for 1 Vs with the “spirit”, there is 3 guys here for farm, trashing commanders, bragging like e-gangstas. We have a problem never faced before: VS spirit dying versus selfish, arrogant vision.

Our job, now, is to come back to the sources. Will we do it? will i help to do it? don’t know yet. I want to do it for nice people, but not for the bragging ones.

One day i told on the /map, to bragging newcomers : “When SFR 3.0 will come, you should focus on our old strategy for points and defense instead of focus on wxp/karma/whatever.” They just answered : “Who is Troma? bwahahaha”

My feeling are now mixed. Launching the Warhorn or not. Some people clearly worth it, some others clearly not.

No Canadians, French nerds

Anyway, i think SFR will win this week. You deserves it (if i forget the taunts) clearly, even if i heard some guilds came back + one US guild helping at night. I hope my old Vizunians friends will keep morale.

Btw some Vizunians must come back to earth: There is a new summer wave of arrogant people, trashing the PvE players, thinking they are kings, even some saying “Grand Cross is useless, i make new rules” (ok guy, gogo, i watch it), or few commanders who do not want to learn (i’m perfect). For them, i just want a slap in the face. The slap of reality.

@Tshik: like we say in french, “a d’autres”. We had plenty of fight outside, we had a lot of fight outside, we have RUN guild focused on little group fights, RAID focused on outdoor, LNM with big armys outside etc. Change your disk, we are in 2013 !

@colesy: it’s true, some players are like this… human nature

It’s not simple like this, colesy. Let be honest: SFR has made a brilliant and powerful comeback. Okay, we had a lot of people in this **** pve event and not a lot of troops in WvW in the beginning, but you played very well the points (do not deny it !) and you did a lot of good moves.

Vizunah waked up in the middle of week, and the main reason is YOU ! yes, you SFR. You are one of the most dangerous (and sometimes in the past clearly the most) server for us, and the tension between VS/SFR is a fuel. I told vizunians on map yesterday that you are our Nemesis. But a nemesis is good: it keep alive the competition (ok i will forget that you call us vag*na square, frogs, cowards and other sweet names on TS, i learned it this week, grrr) and i’m sure you gave Vizunah true moments of PvP pleasure.

If one day, some of your players start taunt/lame us less, you will be one of the smarter server to fight. Because yeah, you are strong.

ps: i’m for nothing in this win, no CTA, no images, diplomacy, speech. Except hitting with my sword, i have been totally useless. Congrats to you, my old Vizu

grmbl, it’s the example of the one with the most work and teasing, thats all

It’s a good example to show we had a GvG fever at this moment. GHO did GvG too, Fureur LNM some too ? and WL did a lot (and won!) of GvG if i’m right. Again, one night Mos + Ely and the Vizunians with them choosed to interrupt the GvG, but it doesn’t mean we all hate this…

A server is a melting pot ! different players/skills/guilds like i said on Jeux Online.

Just as a reminder…

http://www.grandcross.fr/war-legend-vs-red-guard-a-21h30/

at this time, no GvG problems…

@Covis: really? didn’t know this… thought it was Mos and some Ely

Covis.6037:

Romainette dont try to make things look pretty. Its well known that MoS, GC (EVERYONE) is basically against GvG in vizunah. PvD ftw. Server for cowards.

nop sorry, i can’t let you say that. It’s not true at all. Mos have an independant and firm position regarding GvG, and we can’t force them. But their position do not apply in GC. We didn’t make meetings and discuss on GvG to read false things here.

I’m “retired” since a moment, and i’m fed up to read bad words, laming things an animal names on us. But inventing things is worst

Please, there is no link with GC in this story, stop mixing everything. Mos have taken a decision, i prevent/told them there will be consequence, and now we have to find a solution.

Irulh.1249:

I’m the Raid lead that did the GvG with Noe.

After the meeting with GC and Mos we can say that Gc is against GvG.
They (GC) support MoS in they are action.
They (GC) didn’t show any disaproval against MoS.

Hello Irulh,

thank’s to not say things like this, because you have no idea of what happened in internal forum and our position. Like i said on Jeux Online, there is no GC support on this action, and we didn’t make a meeting on what happened yet, and we have pro/anti GvG.

@Wolf: here is the list ! =) http://www.grandcross.fr/liste-des-guildes/

Lorenzo.4896:

The saddest part is that MOS are part of the Grand Cross alliance, so i guess GC policy is against GvG now?

grmbl, the thing i didn’t want to see. No, no official position atm (we must do a TS meeting on it) because there is people loving GvG, and people against. You are doing a shortcut my friend =)

Splitted between respect for what you did with RG/SFR and disappointment of your personnality, i will sure remember of this gw2 golden age. This image is what i will keep in memory.

Good bye, old enemy

sergiomasako.2906:

Map Vizunah Square 13.30h
night camping baruch bay??

do not wake up the beast…

CPC are members of Grand Cross. We do not like this kind of things, and CPC GM will check members to stop this. CPC is not really a guild but a community, so it can happens.

@Zarkaos: as a Grand Cross member too, you should be ashamed by this post. It give our enemy arguments to lame us. Bad point…

@all VS taunters: guys 10 months you know Vizunah and our focus on point, i still do not understand the sea of trash talk when there is almost no VS answering. We are just playing and do not trash talk you. GG Spazimus, you took a situation that every server can live and use it to say french have no balls, great mentality for sure and you seem to forget that your defensive situation is great on the screen. You prefered that VS charge and empale to taunt on the wipe? :P

And for the one saying we have no orga, if you saw just 1% of what we did to maintain t1, you would not believe it… it’s not magical, and we do not keep people (what some call “random” or “noobs” or “pugs”) and fight awesome big old servers with only words ;o

And some people believe that Obama is a reptilian-satanic-freemason-illuminati based on YouTube edits, Magnus…

seriously, you should really stop this delirium, you are going paranoiac. In this time i was in contact of almost all guildleaders of VS guilds (and with all the big guilds), all day in private message and teamspeak, and trust me they would never do things like this. Even an independant big guild out of Grand Cross like MN (Main Noire) has too much server pride to do this.

Vizunah has always some bad weeks since the beginning, when we take a rest, and Arbor sometimes did well sometimes not. For the trebs example, it’s just a trifaction situation happening everytime that make every servers imagining alliances (like kodash+elona versus jade sea, they tought germans were in alliance)

Please, for you man, do not go paranoid like this… i have no reason to hide things, and it was 6 months ago :x

MagnusLL.8473:

Axle.5182:

It’s not the first time and won’t be the last that servers avoid each other to farm desolation players for easy points.

Yeah I know this is the normal evolution in any match but I’ve seen before, from Vizunah specifically, a kind of crap which goes far beyond that. Back when they used to have two servers in T1 (Viz + Arbo) and transfers were free they used to move entire guilds from one to the other to game the system and allow both to remain in T1, then they would use this nice setup to try and crush whichever was the 3rd server at the time using the double manpower allowance it gave them. I personally witnessed cases of Viz + Arbo forces moving on a map with the kind of coordination you can only get if you’re on the same TS (or at least your commanders are).

Hey friend, i have to say i liked most of your posts in the past, because they were clever and nice. I refused to post since a while, even when i saw 3 pages of taunt on VS the last matchup.

But here, it is totally purely awesome to read invention like this. We were talking about this in Grand Cross chat and we were like: “wth, what drugs take this man”

we NEVER moved entire guilds to do things like this rofl, or coordinate on same TS, because it was almost total hate between arbor/vizu. Old rivalty from DaoC, trolling guys 24h/24, many reasons. It was perma troll and tension on french forums, and some old arbor guilds still bash VS hard. Please, like the canadians thing, do not create rumor and inventions based on wind magnus !

using free transfert between AS and VS to stay in T1… just to imagine this i’m laughing irl when i remember the vision of things of thoses two servers haha. It’s like imagining flying horses

Thank you, and the developpers, for your work. It was a matter of principle for me, for all of us. If i can help you in the future – transmit players feelings, feedback or something like this – i will do for sure. Not only for me, but for the pleasure to play of all community.

A new era begin !

Empyre <3 you silly troll, i explained why

To conclude, i think 99% of the posters here understood the main message, the goal. Hope we will see good reactions of Anet.

scanz.4536:

I think the point being made in this thread by various people is that numerous times now ideas, promises and updates have been announced for WvW and then either delayed or completely forgotten. Fixes for WvW take far too long to implement and the community is rarely ever engaged with by the devs. However, the same cannot be said for both the PvE and sPvP aspects of the game. So why is it different? Why do the majority of the WvW community feel so distant from the devs?

Exactly !

Boomstin.3460:

There are issues in wvw sure, but more concerned about some people stating things like ‘All our work goes waste’ and ‘Sometimes playing wvw 15 hours a day’.

It’s not the end of the world to wait for a week or two. It’s not like the maps are closed until then.

Like i said, our situation is an example this is not the main message, not the point. Check Aeonblade post

exactly Dayra it was symbolic for us. When i saw the delay, i thinked about all disappointment i had in the past, and then i was like “ok, time to make an open letter to Arenanet”

@Devon, it’s not against you: i see you want to communicate more than Anet did in the past, but you should -really- listen what people said in this post. It’s the voice of many other people.

@Thyophelis: you didn’t understand at all the point, read my previous post when i talk about the main message. Our situation is an example. I made the post for all players

Kelthos, you can check my others posts. I never whined. 0 times. And i would not make a post if the system was bugged or something like this.

The main message is: do not announce things if you aren’t sure of it. Because in the meantime, people build things and work hard considering what you say.

Hello Daniella, no the problem is not fighting Elona and Jade at all (in fact i loved it). The problem is, we made a really big work to finish the actual ladder with dedication. Like i said post before:

“The main message of my post is: Understand how your communication, decisions, or announcement can break a whole community will to play, Arenanet. And i’m not talking about 10, 20, 50 people. I’m talking about thousand of people. The butterfly effect can be a disaster (like SFR free transfert in the climax of their power, or for us when we do a powerful week with great excitement to see a problem the last day, after all work done)”

Thats the focus of my post, not what you are talking about ! It’s like preparing for a big competition, working hard all week, with climax of excitement when friday come, too see a message like :“competition delayed next week”

We wanted to show beautiful things before the divisions change. We wanted to do our best, to counter Elona, to have great battle. I went to sleep at 3am with hope that VS will tank Elona at night. They managed to do it. I wake up this morning with a smile “ah, yes, it’s done, we are winning the last match of this ladder ! sweet !…” to see minuts after the Devon’s post…

This is terrible. And i made this to say STOP to this manner Anet. Like the free transfert on SFR when they were at top, or many other errors, i’m fed up.

wtf haha, crazy men !

Yes Teel, but i explained the reasons here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dear-Arenanet-i-m-disappointed/first#post2126799 =)

Be sure it was the last my friend, the symbolic of the last match before ladder change was too important to ignore it. I couldn’t resist to help my mates, when i saw the strong elona coming back boosted with Corpus Christi public holiday.

The main message of my post is: Understand how your communication, decisions, or announcement can break a whole community will to play, Arenanet. And i’m not talking about 10, 20, 50 people. I’m talking about thousand of people. The butterfly effect can be a disaster (like SFR free transfert in the climax of their power, or for us when we do a powerful week with great excitement to see a problem the last day, after all work done)

@Mystery: don’t skip all messages it’s not a Vizunian. Just a faker to make people angry on us.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Top-5-most-stable-servers/page/3#post2076131

@TyrDaishi: nop, Neverwinter is not interesting at all i think. We will see if the 28 patch is interesting…

Meglobob.8620:

Vizunah would dominate NA WvW…

You wouldn’t stand a chance…

You would after kiss the feet of your French/French Canadian speaking overlords…

Just like we do in Europe…

Napoleons alive and well, in command of Vizunah…

Saying lame things and doing like if you were from VS to put French and VS a bad reputation and get people trashing us is the worst things i see on forum. Not the first time i see people from SFR doing it. Disgusting disinformation

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/What-are-people-doing-in-this-game/page/4#post2030794

Ridiculous.

To stay on topic, yes VS is stable friends but i will maybe change one day…

Damage control with an honest post, describing defaults? i would like more damage control speeches like this in politic so. No it’s not damage control my friend, it’s some explanations by a retired guy who still love his server. You imagine Leorcyn or Kingface explain things? they can do only trolls, they deserves a kick on their butt

@Sacrx: i do not fear death !

Hello friends, it’s about time

I think i need to give you some honest informations, like i always try to do. I think the situation is totally new. Let’s analyze the situation:

1) After the last giga call to arms, a lot of people from PvE world came in WvW to farm WXP/Karma, and vanished when Elona came in force
2) This moment made some VS guilds stop or move (i talked about it on previous post)
3) our old Elona friends trained a LOT and, once again, surprised the Vizunians i think
4) instead of training commanders and stay focused, a lot of people changed their mind and became arrogant (really arrogant, not what you said here)

I saw some disgusting sh** like a player saying to a beginner girl: “get out of this serv, you noob, you suck”

and from an other guy, racists sh**: “Get out of Vizunah, you are not french, kitten noob, useless bas***”

This is Vizunah, this? Nah. This is not the serv we made, and the valors and virtue we put in the past.
5) I stopped the game exactly 1 month ago, just after being sure the server was secured. I had to work all days to refrain dramas, solves problems and play a moderator role. Now, a lot of internal dramas come back again, without a “peacekeeper” and it’s growing each day… and this is what makes me the most sad.
6) 90% of our old commanders stopped the game or moved
7) Elona has been underestimate by some of our people, even few GC members. This slap is a return to reality. You changed in well mate.
8) there is still a resistance from dedicated great players

To finish, if we have to loose or fall versus Elona, i will never be sad on this. They NEVER trolled us by the past, never insulted us, always respect. They never cryed, focused on their serv, played the points like us. I would say they are our german version.

If we have to loose, it will be an honor to loose to you, Elona.

The Vizunah you know doesn’t exist anymore. Maybe another new page of the story will open up, one day.

You are right, Empyre. Like everytime i must develop all i say with you, little malicious: We didn’t officialy pulled AS guild on VS. Like you say, some GC guilds wanted friends guilds with us (example FM and LNM mutual like) and i know it was an other reason for them to come. But their main goal was to fight on VS for our orga and dedication.

Anw you underestimate our internal communication between guild masters and me, we discuss a lot, and without taboo.

i do not agree in any post of silvos. This is exactly with posts like this we see VS hate growing, and this is a part of why i do not want to work anymore. How can i defend this? your last interesting matchip was 4 months ago, with the difficulty we had with SFR 2.0? all the sacrifices we made to tank this? meh.

Anyway Empyre like a lot of your posts, you make opinions without all informations: we never pulled any of AS guild (stated on JoL and GC many times) and i never whispered a guild master. They decided to come themselves.

haha =) i admit i laughed

So many wrongs things we can read again.

Even if i don’t play anymore, i would like to say:

@Dayra: for knowing well the philosophy (specially for VS of course) of the two servs, we will never double team you. French are “gaulois” and prefer fight each others to death, like VS/AS moment. See the attached picture of future VS/JS

@silvos: why such hard words for Elona? i do not understand. They destroyed what? and they never wanted to block ladder

@Junkpile: like many of your post, blind provocation. How can you say we do not like english? Even if a lot of you made french bashing and “frog” comments do not mean we will do the same.

the famous godwin point about France war i was talking about post before, here we go. Surprising late anyway. Do not mix gw2 and this….

Anyway yes french had brilliant and many victory in the past. And yes we can all (i never forget it) thanks allies specially USA and Great britain. Never forget sacrifices like 6 june 1944 Omaha Beach for example.

Can we go back to gw2 before it goes total godwin?

WL stopped yes, there is still some members who moved on Deso for some days to fight versus VS for fun (thats what they told me) but it’s officialy closed, like IRON

Caliban.3176:

Troma.3250:

And like i told GC early and on forum, this was my last CTA. Ever.

I don’t remember that, why would it be your last one?

Here was the post: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Vizunah-Desolation-Seafarer-2-03-T1-EU/page/79#post1847145

The last words. Why, hmm because i used a lot of time and energy and i’m feeling a little empty, because solving internal dramas and keeping things alright drain “irl mana” too. I’m currently doing a big break. Add the sadness caused by TS attack, flaming and the most important thing, the lack of love given by anet concerning WvW.

In some months/years i will really regret that they never really understood us, our demands, and what the WvW could become…

It could be a real blast with leaderboards for players, guilds, bigger maps, without aoe cap and other things… but they are too much in other directions… their lack of a PvP player vision and lucidity concerning our true problems (except for the culling they worked very well) has killed slowly what could be the greatest RvR game.

Ah, what a waste my friends.

Arenanet, if you read us, you have the power to change RvR to be better. But it will soon be too late… everyone knows it. Moving and stoping guilds, and the mass of Guild Masters talking of stopping the game in private chat or messages is a strong sign. Even my old friends War Legend (WL) stopped gw2 today.

If i were them, i would open a public post by a dev and ask 5 top priorities for the community. Then i would take the 5 first that come repeatly (like removing aoe caps and bigger maps to force zergs split for example) and make it in order.

I think you under estimate a lot the diamond you made and failed to polish it, instead you made some random hit of hammer on it.

And like i told GC early and on forum, this was my last CTA. Ever.

Stop jumping on each word i say Empyre, i said this with a smiley because.. it’s just humor. Sometimes i say to the few GC trollers i will ban them from GC forum (i will ban you from this site, forum, computer, and even your chair if you don’t stop !) but it’s just private joke…

Angelyne is not a GC representative… ! i already talked about this with you Ange, come on GC private chat please. Or remove your Grand Cross signature

@Grok: to be exact i did many many call to arms before ! the March one was named in english: “The golden age of Vizunians is maybe over” =)

for the coup-de-grace, i didn’t know it will be going so far. Imagine us as downed state and throwing a last sword in your face but instead of cutting your hands it cut your head.. this is how i feel after that.

And i always remind that if we were in downed state, its because you putted us in. Thats why i blame vizunians braggers and i will never forget this hellish situation we had. Hard but so great in the same time. Actual situation smells ****

Yes it’s not the one from march

one copy of the CTA is still here: http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?t=1217175 The preparation of this one started 5 days before. In this time i was exhausted by internal dramas resolves (sometimes 10+ dramas per day in my mailbox)

at this moment, i’ve just heard a SFR commander raged on newcomers due to transfers, and saw 1 or 2 whines on SFR “pugs”, nothing more. I swear

No Air, the Call to arms was exactly just before all this. In this moment, i have just heard that you had problems with some newcomers but nothing more.

Phoebe we speaked about this ingame, and you know it:

before the CTA the situation was extreme for us. Arseus from MORT came back to help us with his leading, Edennae gm of LNM asked his commanders to play a lot, and many others commanders made sacrifice to tank a week more. We even think we were going to fall ! but when some commanders came talk to me and said “please, we are still here even if it’s hard as hell, do not give up” i thinked: “i can’t let them fall”

The only thing i could do for all them was the biggest call to arms ever done. Yes, maybe the actual situation is a little bit of my fault, but i took the risk. It was Vizunah or you. I’m full of respect but in this virtual wargame, i will always think about my server in the first place.

This was the right thing to do.

Hm i explain with more details why i say this:

The stable pool of nightplayer when holidays are off (in a range of 30-150 people when there is the call to arms) is almost always the same and people know each others. When i took my holidays i played a lot at night with them and didn’t notice foreign players (ok there is not always an accent of course)

What you see now is the mix of multiples factors:

1) SFR fall so the “barrage” is broken > maps go full green
2) last biggest call to arms we ever done
3) french holidays
4) the “winning” effect bring more people
5) commanders and players keep their habits (we will try to work on this)

Anyway SFR problems are very sad for me. Of course i don’t talk about some lamers who trolled and trashed us/me, i talk about the nice workers and people who want to build a community, like people of pevepe.net. This sux for them.

And it sux for us. I hate this situation, even if i’m doing a little break at the moment. If i were active i doubt i would play. I want fights, i want feel presure, i want to see commanders worrying and trying to find solutions, i want to be attacked everywhere and make epic charges in your mass. And i know i’m not alone, we talk about it everyday. This situation will make VS loose guilds and players too you will see.

Anet had diamond in their hands with WvW and instead of polishing it they totally broken it into pieces. One day it will be too late for them to fix this.

Can you give me the website of Réunion players you are talking about? very curious never heard about it, it’s possible you are right.

:) no prob.

In fact i miss the shiverpeaks moments. I had really, really fun playing against thoses angry berserk russians with armored chapka ingame and vodka buff and always cool communication with them. Never insulted me or us, never taunt or troll. And strong ingame.