I was looking for a mmo where players would decide the fate and behavior of the server and ive found it, playing Archage was far better and rewarding than i was expecting, the possible options i can do in that game are excellent, and are not demanding on time like the traditional mmo’s.
It is like WvW being fused into pve map, where player/guilds have the possibility to make their own empire being outlaw, pirates, or being on the good side and role play with those thiefsthat can be jailed by a player base court tribunal and pay for their crimes, also sandbox map and possible construction sites, being a guild castle or just a personal area, and all of this w/o the traditional time consuming farm.
Everyone thought GW 2 was the second coming before it launched too, even after playing the beta. Don’t kid yourself. That game is likely to end up both pay to win and very grindy.
And without PvE servers at all? I don’t see that being a huge game in the west. We already know it didn’t do all that well in the East.
Edit: Meh, sarcasm to thick even for me.
The game is boat loads of fun, it has a very quick leveling pace and it offers sandbox content in a market that’s been deprived of it for years.
Sandbox MMOs have traditionally been underpopulated. The biggest had about half a million people at max. I don’t see most people spending time in a sandbox MMO, even though I personally would.
I don’t think we’ve had enough massive online sandbox games to properly gauge the genres success one way or another. What I do know is that offline and limited online sandbox(ish) games (minecraft, skyrim, etc..) have either become huge successes or have stirred up considerable interest purely through word of mouth. Archeage itself has seen over a million registered users during this beta period.
Anyway, I’m not here to proclaim the death of Guild Wars 2 and sing the praises of our new majesty, Archeage. I just think its really unfair to state the game is going to become a free to play grindfest without really knowing anything about it. I mean, isn’t that partly the point you were trying to make when you said, “Everyone thought GW 2 was the second coming before it launched too, even after playing the beta.”?
Most sandbox games so far seem to require a bigger commitment. Most people don’t have the time. The age of the average gamer is going up.
I was looking for a mmo where players would decide the fate and behavior of the server and ive found it, playing Archage was far better and rewarding than i was expecting, the possible options i can do in that game are excellent, and are not demanding on time like the traditional mmo’s.
It is like WvW being fused into pve map, where player/guilds have the possibility to make their own empire being outlaw, pirates, or being on the good side and role play with those thiefsEveryone thought GW 2 was the second coming before it launched too, even after playing the beta. Don’t kid yourself. That game is likely to end up both pay to win and very grindy.
And without PvE servers at all? I don’t see that being a huge game in the west. We already know it didn’t do all that well in the East.
Edit: Meh, sarcasm to thick even for me.
The game is boat loads of fun, it has a very quick leveling pace and it offers sandbox content in a market that’s been deprived of it for years.
Sandbox MMOs have traditionally been underpopulated. The biggest had about half a million people at max. I don’t see most people spending time in a sandbox MMO, even though I personally would.
@ Vayne: Im sorry but if you READ what i said, i did specifically say duel and not “battle to the death”. If you’ve ever played WoW when you duel no one dies, they just get down to 1hp and the duel is over, there is no killing lol. Most of the guild wars 2 community is pretty nice. The chances of 2 people dueling that screws your event over and not helping but laughing at you is so small that its not even worth mentioning. Please if you don’t want dueling give a good reason why, hardly anyone is out to laugh at you because you asked for help.
I’ve been to PvP…I’ve seen some of the community there. Most of the PvE community is nice. I suspect it’ll lower that tone of dueling is introduced.
This mentality is why guild wars 2 PvP will never be a big e-sport like WoW or other MMORPGS. It makes no sense to remove a function from the game because people might be sour and be rude, if anyone is rude just mute them or report. Ive been to OS (dueling capital ) a lot and most people there arent rude, so how about you stop assuming the PvP community is toxic because of your bad experiences.
Not implementing something is completely different than removing it. They didn’t implement it. There are places for people to beat each other senseless. Let there be more place. But I don’t really want to be involved in it or deal with the consequences where I play.
And you know, I could be wrong. Maybe everyone who duels is lovely and wonderful and happy and smiling. But you know, I’d rather not take that chance.
You have to plan for the worse. Other games (cough wildstar) have solved these problems. Implement proper reporting/blocking tools, give players the power to block duel requests entirely, and, if it’s still THAT big an issue, create a cooldown on the amount of duel requests you can submit for a period of time.
Or the GW2 solution, bury your head in the sand and scream “No duels! They will ruin our pristine, non-toxic environment, where you get berated in map chat for not knowing events, booted from dungeons from being the wrong class, and called out in game for playing bad while using legendaries—-yes dueling would ruin this game!”
More like “If you want to duel, press a button and/or join a room.”
Just because toxic players already exist does not mean it would be okay to add more.
Then why did they add fractals? People are toxic in that because of resistance rating, but it was added for PvErs. Well Duels are wanted for PvPers, it makes no sense to not add wanted features because people are CAPABLE of being toxic.
Fractals are instances.
Okay then, world bosses? Teq, the worm? people can be toxic because of wipes. It’s open world.
Difficult world bosses exist in high level areas only, and the players organize onto a single map to even attempt said bosses. In that case, it is about as instanced as a dungeon.
As vayne stated, as well, apparently.
Untrue, there are world bosses all over the place. But world bosses arent instanced, they are in the open world
Open world bosses are restricted giving people the OPTION to avoid them. I can’t avoid people dueling everywhere.
You assume it’ll be nice and friendly and maybe for you it will be. But you know, I prefer not to see it or have to deal with it. Put it in a place where I don’t have to. Not anywhere. Make a specified area, even a specified zone.
You see, I’m willing to compromise, but the duelers want the whole world. All of it. It shouldn’t be that way.
+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.
Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.
Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.
That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.
That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.
Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.
Then i guess their vision of the game doesnt include a large PVP scene l0l
It includes, like Guild Wars 1, a scene where PvP and PvE are separate entities that don’t really interact with each other. There was very little interaction between PvP and PvE in Guild Wars 1 and that was often considered a PvP-centric game.
That doesnt change the fact that dueling helps improve a pvp community, if you can go to an area where people randomly duel and you watch it’s interesting. They should have added a system where there is an area in the mists where you can duel instead of making it all instanced. Guild wars 2 is no way a PvP-centric game tho? Also guild wars 1 was no where near as pvp centric as WoW and look at how big WoW’s pvp scene is still now compared to gw1s.
So let them have arenas for dueling away from the open world. I never had a problem with that.
Like i said an area where people are dueling each other creates competitiveness, People will not randomly stumble upon people dueling and watch if its in a closed off area. Im just saying Guild wars 2 will never be competitive in the PvP scene if they arent creating an atmosphere where people can enjoy being competitive. If 2 people duel in a forrest who else knows besides them? no one, but if they duel outside a city everyone who goes past can watch the entertainment. Like i said just look at how popular WoW’s PvP is, it wouldn’t be that popular if they didn’t give players opportunities to be competitive ( dueling ).
So people can just start dueling in the middle of an event they’re not participating in and scale it up, making it harder for a person to do because they want to duel there? I don’t think that’s a good idea.
Two people wont effect a group event so significantly that it is the difference between win or loss. If two extra people not participating causes an event to fail, it was failed already. There are AFKers at every event already.
You gotta do better than that, Vayne
There aren’t AFKers at every event, unless you happen to be talking about meta events…but I’m not. Some of us actually play in the open world. Sometimes I come across an event and I’m the only one there.
Sometimes that event involves, say, protecting buildings from attacking enemies. It’s hard enough solo, running back and forth with the number of people who spawn. If two people were dueling there (or AFK there for that matter), the number of enemies would at least double. There’s no way in hell I could cope with that situation. There are many events I could think of that that would be a problem with.
Thats kind of silly actually, if 2 people are dueling in an event and notice it’s failing because of them then im SURE they’ll help out. Also if you’re dying run to them and they’ll get attacked and be forced to help out. Just ask the two people to duel away or help if you’re losing. I also don’t remember wiping random world events because people akitten in the event.
You’re SURE they’d help out? Two people intent on killing each other are always going to help out? I’d pretty sure there’s a percentage of people who not only wouldn’t help out, but they’d stop to laugh at the stupid noob wasting his time doing the event. Not everyone is going to stop to help out.
+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.
Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.
Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.
That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.
That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.
Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.
Then i guess their vision of the game doesnt include a large PVP scene l0l
It includes, like Guild Wars 1, a scene where PvP and PvE are separate entities that don’t really interact with each other. There was very little interaction between PvP and PvE in Guild Wars 1 and that was often considered a PvP-centric game.
That doesnt change the fact that dueling helps improve a pvp community, if you can go to an area where people randomly duel and you watch it’s interesting. They should have added a system where there is an area in the mists where you can duel instead of making it all instanced. Guild wars 2 is no way a PvP-centric game tho? Also guild wars 1 was no where near as pvp centric as WoW and look at how big WoW’s pvp scene is still now compared to gw1s.
So let them have arenas for dueling away from the open world. I never had a problem with that.
Like i said an area where people are dueling each other creates competitiveness, People will not randomly stumble upon people dueling and watch if its in a closed off area. Im just saying Guild wars 2 will never be competitive in the PvP scene if they arent creating an atmosphere where people can enjoy being competitive. If 2 people duel in a forrest who else knows besides them? no one, but if they duel outside a city everyone who goes past can watch the entertainment. Like i said just look at how popular WoW’s PvP is, it wouldn’t be that popular if they didn’t give players opportunities to be competitive ( dueling ).
So people can just start dueling in the middle of an event they’re not participating in and scale it up, making it harder for a person to do because they want to duel there? I don’t think that’s a good idea.
Two people wont effect a group event so significantly that it is the difference between win or loss. If two extra people not participating causes an event to fail, it was failed already. There are AFKers at every event already.
You gotta do better than that, Vayne
There aren’t AFKers at every event, unless you happen to be talking about meta events…but I’m not. Some of us actually play in the open world. Sometimes I come across an event and I’m the only one there.
Sometimes that event involves, say, protecting buildings from attacking enemies. It’s hard enough solo, running back and forth with the number of people who spawn. If two people were dueling there (or AFK there for that matter), the number of enemies would at least double. There’s no way in hell I could cope with that situation. There are many events I could think of that that would be a problem with.
I was looking for a mmo where players would decide the fate and behavior of the server and ive found it, playing Archage was far better and rewarding than i was expecting, the possible options i can do in that game are excellent, and are not demanding on time like the traditional mmo’s.
It is like WvW being fused into pve map, where player/guilds have the possibility to make their own empire being outlaw, pirates, or being on the good side and role play with those thiefs
Everyone thought GW 2 was the second coming before it launched too, even after playing the beta. Don’t kid yourself. That game is likely to end up both pay to win and very grindy.
And without PvE servers at all? I don’t see that being a huge game in the west. We already know it didn’t do all that well in the East.