Guild Wars 2

Nice to see the general consensus about riverside, it’s very well earnt

Once upon a time you guys use to rival kodash as a organised fighting force but you chose to go down the other route instead which is a shame… and all this server reputation is because of that, because of your choices and style/preference for siege warfare, bunkering and blobbing.

I miss guilds like Ferox gaming who use to come out and play…

Good luck Gandara on staying in this tier… we might not always see eye to eye but I respect your spreading style and play for fun attitude backed up with a bit of roleplay now and then. If abbadon’s mouth style is anything like riversides… then ironically Gandara will be the ultimate winners of this week’s matchup

You really believe what you wrote mate? because from my screen things looked entirely different… 90 guys just for a wooden hills? you don’t remember those 90 guys going to supply camps, taking lake, going for garrison, basically hand holding the entire time?

Weird. Vu was at the heart of it, and mnsg not far behind. So yes Vu led pug blob.

As for us retreating… I don’t know who your trying to fool with that as many people know us for quite the opposite and engaging heavier numbers.

I feel bad for riverside, I don’t know where your fighting spirit as gone… pre Christmas you guys were a different animal to fight. One or two wipes these days and you guys soon disappear, and generally only engage when you outnumber the enemy 3 to 1 otherwise its just bunker time.

I don’t know how using siege skills is more fun than using class profession skills. You guys are stuck in never ending cycle at the moment because of the way you choose to play. Your a siege server, surrounded by warrior servers. Piken, Baruch, AR, Gandara, AG all warrior servers who love open field fights.

Your server will never become dominant because warrior servers will knock you back down. Before you disagree.. You guys used 8 arrow carts, 4 trebs and 80 people to take your wooden spawn tower that is definition of a siege server… I don’t see AG or Gandara ever do that.

I miss the riverside, never die, never surrender attitude which use to come out and play awhile ago. Instead its just spoil tactic after spoil tactic zzzzzzzz

Work on your open field and spreading then maybe your server will get a better reputation. If you don’t care about your reputation then you will continue to be a yo yo tier 3-4 server tossed around between the warrior servers and cycle repeats.

Draugis… when I was around on reset there was 3 commanders on AG Bl spread out across the map… TUP being one of them. We encountered VU led pug blob, with MNSG & others usually in it too… 90+ guys all on same comms channel.

It would be foolish to say X server never zergs… but from my experience on that borderland… we were 20-25, other commanders had a force of about 20+ each. Sometimes one commander run into another which was rare on defences… but never three on same spot.

I don’t see how AG plays in other zones, or when im not around… but ive never ever seen AG have 90 guys on the same spot or anywhere close to that… I’ve only ever seen 60-70 AG in same area briefly usually at keeps and that is two large guilds meeting… I.e KISS & TUP or ECL & TUP and not like we stick together for long periods of time.

So your stratergy is too zerg/blob hills and reinforce it on reset… always has been for along time… and you don’t see how this makes counter blobbing more likely and more boring gameplay… With the amount of guys you had you really could of spread out and stretched us having more fun fights and probally owning more than you did.

I don’t think Gandara have 90 people on their comms either intentionally blobbing, even when they were doing their YOLO event. Every player has the choice not to excessively blob like that not like ANET forcing you too… its just pack mentality safety in numbers as some people are afraid of dying and take meaningless points too seriously. No point discussing it if you can’t see that’s the cause… You could of easily set 40 to hills, 25 to bay, 25 to garrison straight away and potentially take all 3 keeps fast… but no you choose 90 to one keep because that’s how you roll.

There’s a reason why Piken won’t let you stay in tier 3 without putting in crazy effort, keep ignoring those reasons and cycle will keep repeating

/kind regards TUP

Myrmidone mate… RS can’t talk about blobbing when they send their 90+ guys on their community TS to AG bl on reset and just blob up. The usual tactic of take and upgrade hills of the enemy bl near your spawn. 90+ guys and only held hills poor zerging… TUP took one for the team and got wiped multiple times by silly numbers but also got a handful of good fights.

Riverside encourage counter blobbing, your server playstyle is very tedious and boring… It doesn’t win you much friends/mutual respect with enemy…

Hence why when you get promoted, I know Piken will focus you and knock you back down… Baruch Bay dislike your server for you relegating them to tier 5 in the past and humbling them.

As for AG and Gandara well there is no love lost between us as servers, but there is some mutual respect as we enjoy similar aspect of the game. Our definition of fun is open field fights, where Riversides seems more serious points wise and more siegeing/bunkering/blobbing.

So if AG or Gandara feel the need to Counter blob you… you only have yourselves to blame.

Brahn if you really believe what your write then lol. Yak wasn’t just a guild raid, it was a 40-50 blob which was one of the big contributions to the lag in the zone early on when you were in garrison.

Dius and TDA were running alone when briefly encountered them.

We was running about 20 for awhile.

Some really good fights with WAR tonight from AR, and also the French puggies

Cheers for the fights

/kind regards TUP

A nice Reset with the new time change, plenty of action and decent scraps to be had around the place (even before hand pre reset) mostly on gandara bl.

good job to ECL and the rest of AG allies for a decent reset night

Cheers for the fights looking forward to more

RS on the warpath zerging all at the moment.

/kind regards TUP

Caid, maybe some respect for ongoing battles that are pretty even/fair and dont effect upgrades/server score a great deal. Back on Piken if we saw a guild busy in a equal fight, we would let them get on with it instead or ruin their fun. True Granted your source of fun would be limited because lack of pressure on your borderland, but instead you add and spoil a fight decreasing everyone’s fun, instead of lay in wait and ambush. Or if you see battle markers and no one asks for help, then consider it being taken of care of by allies. It was pretty clear that we were pretty much the only organised force or “threat” in zone.

GvG is different to roaming, GvG can get stale always at same location and similar tactics, less variables in terrain… and obviously different tactics/builds work better in GvG enviroment than a WvW. Not much complaints about fighting you guys with slight pug pressence then us. It was the mentality of blobbing/hand holding of guilds… Even one of your members mentioned that your leader was wanting to troll when sat on rock south of briars… with multiple ac’s, superior ballistas… 60 guys… (40 of which was from 2 guilds) against 15 tup… with a handful of randoms running around. You guys have posted and semi bragged about being the whole zone down on top of TUP to annoy them… and also being invovled with yolobus blobbing us.

Roaming, unsuspecting fights with like minded people of similar size or co-ordination, if its pugs alone obviously more to make up for that difference. If its guild groups… then ofc i would want it to be similar numbers not to make it imbalanced infavour or too much against (that one is tricky as guilds come in all sizes) but we were similar size. The lack of structure, the different enviroment/terrain sometimes in places you dont expect, instead of same old tower or keep etc.

We avoid blobs for same reason, boring easy mode… if we run as numbers which we did once on piken on a reset… I would gouge my eyes out… no challenge, auto attacking gates down where is the fun in that? not to mention the lag. It gets tedious steamrolling, knowing any mistake you make wont really get punished as you will just win with masse & Not many guilds around would be able to cope with that = boring… they would need to counter blob or multi blob and would have every right too if running high numbers.

We never chose to be outnumbered heavily Crying? no pointing out some things that happend thats all… Guilds like yours make tier 4 alot better place, there are a few other guilds too around who make tier 4 the place to be (besides some pikey guilds) your competition makes us have to play better and improve instead of be complacent. When the numbers difference is taken to the extreme between similar equal foes, there is only so much you can improve or play as a collective unit before the numbers difference breaks the camels back… and it all comes down to numbers and not how well you played.

There is no need for e – p e e n or hostility, we have slightly different point of view but similar goal of good fights in WvW

Respect to some of dius for some of your replies

sorry for monster post =D

Good night chaps

Hey dangerdoom, thanks for clarifying I was slightly afk/replying in thread didnt see your pm… only going on and on inresponse

I won’t go too much into what I told ya, but we do respect you as a gandarian guild… but we werent really attacking t3 objectives which much intent, and the multi teaming happend at camps and such in the open… if we were running 5 guys would you do the same? Its same thing, same numbers imbalance… everyone wanting their piece of meat instead of waiting in line. If you all eat your piece of meat at same time its less and contaminated :P

To soggy, funny you want to try and but in. In other bl’s (which we have trouble getting in btw) we have been blobbed by multi gandaran guilds in the past… so fairer fights? please stop trying to troll me… tonight was 2 large guild raids on gandara bl… so its not only pugs. This isn’t about pugs… and as for taking the tower next to spawn… well considering we owned briars… there wasnt much else to attack besides a t3 keep which you want me to do with less than 20 vs 60? keeps are a bottleneck and will cause people to blob that is undeniable… if it happend at keeps, its what you get for attacking a keep. At towers its excessive, and at supply camps or roaming then its a bit lol.

We could of blobbed to take said tower when giving the opportunity… and sieged it up and farmed pugs if that is what we are about… but no it isnt. We could of took it with Fury. But no we get blobbed and disrespected by saying all we want to do is farm pugs. The adding didnt happen at the nw tower fyi btw, was in the open.

Ragnar… I started what exactly? No one wants to hold my hand makes me a sad panda

you dont want to be hostile to any TUP member? yet you call me a troll right off the bat? I do not know you, you definately do not know me.

Yes you guys are fun and skilled to play against too, why do you think that another guild raid (who was fairly skilled btw) with some pugs (who were also pretty decent) is a bit too much imbalance and spoils what could of been even more fun.

Im not making up lies or anything, or not meaning to insult you or your guild… im just telling you how i saw things from my perspective, everyone as their own view… you see what you see, I see what i see. Yes it appeared when the balance swung in our favour, you guys seemed to hit us alot when we were pre engaged. Not saying you can’t take us evenly, that would be stupid saying that and arrogant too. But tonight you didnt take us evenly in my honest opinion, the first few fights i mentioned they were almost as close to be even in WvW without being Even… but they favoured you slightly, then they favoured us when fury was there… then i think they evened out for awhile, probally favouring you (although didnt number count you as night went on) with homefield advantage and more pugs.

Then eventually it became Dius interupting OS+pug vs TUP fight multiple time… then it became Dius & os & pug blob in south west area near briars… with the outmanned buff on, no sign of germans, a ton of siege farming AG randoms (handful that were left) and blobbing TUP… or am i lying about this too? haha please i dont know why people would lie in a video game.

Ragnar you seem like a very aggressive and hostile poster… You think im trolling? You think im trying to dis respect dius?

A guild which I believe I have openly stated I hold in high regard, and have a lot of respect for. You are seeing what you want to see, nothing can change that when you prejudge someone. Why don’t you quote that parts? as you like to cherry pick the rest of what I say.

I wasn’t very clear Rag, in major detail in what I said… take it how you want but jeez you are reading a lot into things mate, maybe the prejudging as something to do with that. Everyone win’s some and lose’s some in WvW, that is fundamental why does that even need to be said or brought up? I don’t remember us dying in a fair fight(which is very hard to get in wvw) because there was always pug tags around on either side in those engagements. So why am I going to say something that in my eyes didn’t happen? Sure you were largely responsible for wiping us, and likewise that doesn’t even need to be debated. So you are upset that I didn’t mention you guys had I heard 23 we had 17(my numbers could be wrong before you go there) we had a couple of pugs, you had twice as many pugs? and we wiped? then you want me to return and saying… we attacked nw tower again… A few fury showed up as we were, then you pushed past into tower jumped out to push us and got wiped by TUP and some fury that were there…

So we moved away from tower and let fury do their own thing, we didn’t want to blob you as it would be unfair on you and it proved unchallenging as it was too much on that occasion. So you really want me to go into details like that?

Thanks btw for finally acknowledging the OS guild in zone did u catch their full name btw?

Im not going to back and forth anymore with tedious details, as your making more out of it than it is. Was just posting feedback on tonight in WvW… Im not lying or being insulting despite being personally attacked on more than one occasion.

There is no harm talking openly aslong as within reason/forum rules. If I did go to your forums, In my opinion I think the general reaction would be a lot like immalator and ragnar… instead of Rookni and Caid So it wouldn’t be a very positive or productive discussion.

I will say once again Cheers for the fights

/kind regards TUP

You could of done lots of thing really… obviously its going out of your way a little bit, and not all guilds operate like that. We usually do it a lot ourselves.

A lot of our guys were bored with being blobbed by gandara again and always hearing excuses for it time and time again(like really you guys(gandara) will probally qq at me for saying it and get hostile response, and all that for no reason but just think if shoe was on other foot) but there was no real excuse this time, as no other big zone in force to counter blob, or forcing you to play that way. Two guild groups, instead of entire zone of pug guild. I mean if we left, you would of had no opposition and all your guys would be even more bored with nothing to do in zone. Only reason I can see gandara playing that way, is being all points happy, compromising style going for the win, and the win brings you what exactly? over fun fights, this is what I don’t see. How can winning something that is meaningless trump more enjoyable fights. That’s just my two cents.

Adding with OS was the main issue, as the pugs that is out of your hands to a certain degree, can you do certain things which you guys did to limit it.. towards the end when it was 60 guys spawn camping with sup ballista’s ac’s etc… maybe we were like 15-17 TUP by that point, hardly any pugs, or organised pugs in zone. That was just excessive and highlights from our point of view some of the previous instances, we would of happily fought you guys in the north away from the spawn camping, like I said some good fights but there could of been more

Sometimes I feel like we are being begged to counter blob, which wouldn’t be fun all round.

And the point your trying to make is? I said there was a pug presence which spoilt the first few fights a bit both ways (i.e when you won, i.e when we won in the nw region which tainted the fights both ways) the initial few skirmishs… you really want me to go overkill in every little detail from my perspective and think im trying to troll because my wording isn’t up to your standard or liking? really?

Im just giving feedback from my perspective, like some dius guys are from there’s. Then there’s a few others trying to light fires and talk about irrelevant things and twist things to fit their agenda whatever that may be.

Caid yes, we preferred roaming action over GvG and WvW is unfair true enough… But come on, some guilds have a certain way they play by… like really would you waypoint to kill a 5 man guild group with 20? that are already engaged and fighting more than their number?

Its called overkill, boring and winning by default… that’s why we try to avoid blobbing.

You guys need to learn your allied guilds more haha… Os seemed fairly decent btw, didn’t fraps or take screenshots im afraid. Their guild name looked weird and hard to pronounce that’s why I refer to just tags much shorter If I could spell their name for you I would haha

I know missy, and thanks for pointing that out So there was no reply of Dius going XX, or OS going XX? just everyone and their mother go? because zone wasn’t under much pressure? I saw a few RS very briefly tonight.

We ran into JP but by that point already lost people and was down to a few left. Only time I can remember I see you not adding was towards the end in the SW camp (hill part)

anyways cheers for the fights, its a shame we didn’t get more

Hey ragnar… I mentioned both of the wins and losses at the start mate in the nw tower region. Its not like im trying to bend the truth, or hide things when I got nothing to hide and aint that way inclined. I don’t remember you standing back and not engaging while we were fighting with pugs as from my point of view I can’t see when that happens, but obviously I can see it when you add.

TUP were playing yesterday? I wasn’t there and must of been in low numbers and not a raid mate, granted we do have a couple of dirty wxpers… but I don’t think it would be high raid numbers. Not like tonight, when there was 20 man groups around.

Rookni you forgot to mention, that we moved away from fury, if we had stayed and “blobbed” the tower, we would probally of took it… but we are very reluctant to compromise our style, and didn’t seem that many fury but more than enough to unbalance it in our favour which showed when fair play you tried pushing it.

Hey rookni… Usually we get the we don’t get any guild groups in our home borderland excuse thrown at us to blob us excessively… so yeah that is why there is a bit of disappointment… because tonight we had some good fights with 2 guild groups don’t get me wrong, we could of had a lot more though, it was just a taster instead of main meal. GvG is different to Roaming, We preferred to roam and meet like minded players (but not all at the same time lol) plus there is also disappointment because we hold you in high regard.

Hopefully we run into each other soon, without the adds. With more pressure on the map to keep others busy. Instead of resorting to kitten gameplay. Sometimes I think we are one of the few guilds, who check mini map and camera spin to see how many allies (or lack of) are with us realistically…

I will use KISS (sorry kISS) as perfect example, as everyone loves to mention them already in this thread… if I saw 40 Kiss fighting 20 dius in the open… just those no adds… we roamed pass with 20, its highly unlikely we would add into that, because of respect to both our ally and our enemy. There would be some serious envy going on though, lucky so so’s having a nice scrap.

so that is aprox minimum 2 × 20 man guilds + usually a lot of pug adds of 10-20 atleast… Against just 20 Aprox TUP give or take… 20 vs 50-60 (which I could understand if we were larger… but we weren’t)

fighting 30-40 alone is a nice challenge itself, but adding into fights like with another 20+ spoils it for both sides imho. I know you guys think we are good but jeez that is expecting a lot from us, When one guild alone is a challenge itself.

Hey Rookni thanks for your feedback, and not trolling like the previous two posts trying to bait me. For your information you weren’t the only gandara guild raid running on your server borderland… OS were running in big numbers too. There was other small guild groups running about too, but im mostly on about the two main ones. Seems like you logged in after most of the action I mentioned.

Ice worm path, we were engaged with OS + pugs, then you added in on top of that, north supply camp same, you added in when we were already outnumbered… then at the back of briars os + pugs, then you added in on top of that too.

I thought you guys would like more quality fights, than just purely winning by default / numbers, which you accuse allied guilds of mine for doing so. As for the no commander thing, we run no commander either.

Cheers for fights tonight on GD Bl

A bit disappointed to be honest that some guilds felt the need to blob up though just to combat us… Dius & Os. The first few fights, there was pug presence which spoilt the fights a bit both ways… Then it was more even and less adds.

Just a shame that after we won a couple engagements in a row, that guild groups didn’t come back at us by themselves, and used others then just blantantly blobbed, especially as it from guilds I respect, and thought are better than endorsing that style of play, and say they don’t. We moved away from fury earlier in the night, you moved towards OS hand held then setup a ton of ballista’s to farm the AG pugs. Was hard to get you guys to separate

So please don’t complain about some of my allied guilds who run together if you just turn around and do exact the same thing, but against a lot less numbers.

You guys are better than that, and thought you would of been up for more separate encounters

anyways GG

/kind regards TUP

I almost got up without trying that hard, or knowing all the tricks inside and out for that spot, so a warrior with leap ability (thinking about sword in particular) if the target was on the edge of cliff and leaped up, might be enough to get to that spot… yeah it does look dodgy… but its not in same context of fly hackers into objectives taking away upgrades/points, or like corran pointed out… I used to see enemy Wall jumpers be all so common… knowingly exploiting en masse and portal rest of guys who couldn’t jump in.

Ive followed NR around quite a bit when not raiding, as they run smaller numbers and ive never seen them use exploits… so one guy being where he shouldn’t be does throw up some questions… tried to reproduce getting up from below on ag bl with a warrior using leaps to see if it was legit but to no avail. So it is pretty questionable and looks a bit “dodgy”. Fraps would of been better to see how he got up, or leapt from flag?

Sylas, AG can win but not by enough for promotion(yet) its a eitherway matchup as it usually is in this tier. Looking like RS & AR will swap but its still fairly early in the matchup and lots can change.

Cheers for the fights tonight on Gandara BL… when our less than 20 guys weren’t getting blobbed in the open by 60 it was pretty fun does kinda explain a bit to me why gandara is suffering a bit on score by not separating its forces to cover more points instead of waste all 60 on less than 20… at even supply camps, not just towers and keeps. One really good fight up north, the best ive had in quite awhile to be fair shame it wasn’t taped :x TUP Vs GD at supply camp, fairly even numbers, you had pve advantage and siege, your guys kept coming from spawn. Gradually your numbers improved, then typically your blob showed up at camp, a lot of running around and killing… even riverside mnsg? got involved and hit you from behind while engaged with us hehe, was a good smush back and forth stuff. Then some decent fights around Bay Until our numbers got too low

/kind regards TUP

hahaha you finally got what you wanted Piken Maybe in a week or two we can re-trade Baruch Bay for Riverside? :P

I’ll let you know that Baruch Bay as changed their mentality and are a lot more points focussed over fights focussed these days, despite having the numbers and guilds to fight. There is a lot more of “fight avoidance”. instead looking for easy pve option en masse instead of playing WvW to fight. Its all about score and server, instead of battles and fun factor.

Their coverage as improved a awful lot, still a bit weak in the mornings but afternoons aint too much of a issue for them. Not sure if they will be able to sustain that though, it seems like they have had a boost in pve population in WvW or old players returning to grind WXP. Your organised guilds should be generally too strong for that in fights.

Will be interesting to see how this matchup goes BB are pretty unified for the first time in ages, crank up the pressure see if it cracks… They want to be back in the promise land of tier 2, its a bit of a shame they changed their way of fighting because they are potentially good enough to play alternative way but whatever floats their boat.

Gl Pikey’s

Ps. Turn Sacrx into a Moa

Caid I don’t think their making excuses just stating facts… if you look at the history of WvW it shows the kind of WvW population AG as got… in comparison with Gandara & BB who have played in the higher tiers, and can compete in the higher tiers too.

AG is light at certain times… it reminds me of old piken, relies a lot on handful of pug commanders and a few guilds (not even including TUP in that) … I know other servers are light at certain points too but generally AG is at more times (less coverage)

Then you got the double focus thing… AG generally (not always) get double focussed more, and I Know its BB’s tactic to go for AG Gandara plays pretty opportunistic too… where imo if it wants to first should be smashing BB at almost every opportunity to undermine them (like riverside did but to the extreme lol)

So I can see the point their trying to make… despite you guys wanting to dispute it WvW always comes down to numbers & coverage in the end… not who is “best” because you can’t define who is the best server, its subjective. I think AG uses its resources very well for what it has, of course every server has room for improvement (but if you improve too much higher tiers are looool… lag fest, more ques, more blobs)

Server Score only determines our enemy, I don’t feel like my team is losing when I get the fights I enjoy and have fun

Come on TUP and Unity,why stopped cry now? Maybe are you zerging BB? See? all servers Zerg if its possible ?

lmfao… Accusing us of blobbing… Get your facts right mate… Unity weren’t even in BB… it was TUP & NR… and gwsa? Nr & co took bay… TUP then nr joined us half way through to take garra… meanwhile gandara took hills…

Then eventually Nr/Gwsa logged and Kiss was on map instead…

We did our own thing as always independent… the videos don’t lie mate, the outmanned buff at the end doesn’t lie when we wiped the “red BB blob” a few times before getting kicked out of hills after the rest of the zone got pve doored.

So please get your facts right if your going to post rubbish in public.

We don’t zerg, we fight maybe you should try it sometime instead of hiding behind numbers.

I agree all servers zerg never said they don’t… but not all guilds blob.

hahahaha that blueprint war north east tower was priceless Nuke lolol. A bit disappointed you weren’t a bit more aggressive and attack(engage) us more tonight, but some pretty decent fights to be had despite that.

Thanks for the fights on AG bl

Grats on your 124k increased evolution Gandara hahahaha which puts you above a improved Piken

The French are a bit late its not 1st april anymore :P

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I see, calling in a blob must´ve been so much more enjoyable than a challenging fight…
We were the lesser numbers though (not at the beginning, but you kept gaining people), or you kept res rushing like champs, anyway was an interesting fight untill that point.

There is no challenge in being 12 – 14 randoms versus 12 – 14 TUP! We had one mission and that was to deny you taking that camp. If that ment res rushing and kite you guys around in the circle then yes, that was what we would do. But after 10 minutes (3 defend events went out) The blob was close and they came by We didnt call them in via waypoint, but they had just defended sunny and came up. If it would have been 12 – 14 Dius there we would ofc not do such a thing cause I enjoy fighting you guys to much

The challenge is 60+ vs 12 TUP? =D

We weren’t interested in the camp, we were interested in a fight (which to me was more balanced than the others lol) of course you needed a few more guys for complete balance and had pve support too. I thought you guys kept coming back because it was fun and you wanted to fight you guys did well though

If Baruch Bay Guilds are interested in some GvG… I know we are in less contact with you guys TUP got some GvG setup with Gandaran Guilds this week… if you were interested (numbers wise I think it will be more along the lines of 10-15 than large numbers, So turnout wont be a issue).

Fights against pugs, I don’t mind them having more numbers (as they need it and its more fair) 1.5 or twice my number is pretty legit… when its 4 or 5 times your total number every single time it gets boring that’s when it become a bit of a issue because it doesn’t really matter what you do offensively numbers will win at end of day… and I don’t understand the mentality from the other side how it can be fun or enjoyable. Then if you log or whatever, they only have pve to do in that BL…

So I fail to understand the win at all costs approach instead of fun factor… Its why we always try to do our own thing because I know outnumbering enemy aint fun its winning by default.

I totally agree with That’s why we need GvGs and not WvW or sPvP.

WvW as been neglected and as a ton of potential (not being utilized to the full) sPvP is boring as no team deathmatch like guild wars 1…

GvG would be insanely popular so surprised it isn’t anywhere near to being implemented… you see how much the community wants it when they try organise their own through WvW. But seeing how long WvW took to get some repairs, not holding breathe… Dev’s got their priorities wrong for pvp in gw2

I agree what you say about the Zerg to a certain extent Nuke but “It’s the game mechanics which by firce makes people blob and counterblob. Not their gamwplay style or preference”

I disagree with the above, that comes down to individual choices… if people have strong enough gameplay preference like TDA do for example, they will not compromise their style because im guessing they find it less fun to do so and for that I totally respect them. Just wish there was more people still around like TDA… the point is there use to be more people like TDA, since progression patch hit they seem to have been swollen up by the blob (changed their style considerably)

They do their own thing, they have fun and use initiative… not afraid of fighting bigger numbers or dying. This is what I feel the WXP patch as lost in WvW a lot of initiative from individuals has gone out the window… the spreading is less, the ninjas is generally less, the blobbing is more.

Nuke, yes they are a challenge, But counterblobbing just adds fuel to the fire and encourages that style of play more… or maybe you crush them into the ground with your own megablob and they switch maps/leave then there is no one to fight = boring. Plus when your outmanned and its happening not like you have the option to counterblob even if you really wanted too…

We have killed megablob a few times, so not mad about that. Just the quality of fights is less. When your getting blobbed if your 5 or 20… it doesn’t matter. Can you imagine how boring this game will become if just one commander and one blob per a realm per a map? WvW use to be about the fights…

Brahn yeah Counter blobbing is easy option but won’t compromise our style, moved away from tier 2 because that style was fotm… it decreases the gameplay considerably

This is the style which is being pushed very hard down everyone’s throats atm in tier 4… when it never use to be like that… The gameplay with culling issues was better as people spread out more even if the server performance was worse.

You need your opponents for fun in this game… With the amount of good guilds (big and small) on each server there shouldn’t be the need for megablobbing… one side starts it then other counters, then its he did it first, no he did it first argument and spirals from there.

Since culling fix as happened, the one commander per a map tactic is pretty much all ive seen… when there use to be 3-5 commanders doing their thing working the map.

“I don’t understand what is so bad about a blob. A large group is clearly more effective than a small one, its a perfectly valid tactic. It’s just semantics whether any group counts as a blob or not, and it isn’t something to be ashamed of anyway.”

Its arguable about more effective than multiple large groups hitting multiple targets at once compared to just one big one steamrolling = Lack of fun, lag, challenge etc…

Seriously once you start running high numbers as a organised guild the level of fun and competition greatly decreases as others wont be able to have even level fights to compete… You will need and expect the enemy to blob to have a chance to produce any kind of fun fight.

Thanks Cleaning squad for fight outside hills… nice to see other guilds roaming and willing to fight, Same for DF Even if we were light on numbers. Its Refreshing to see since WXP hit WvW.

Gandara will look forward to seeing how much you blob once your “blob event” is over we both know your better than other servers who “HAVE” to resort to that tactic pretty much 24/7

Not sure why my post got removed but here you go for your viewing pleasure

that’s what gandaras change of playstyle looks like from enemy point of view

Nice fights just now btw in north supply camp until the blob was called in for a handful of TUP lol

+1 respect TDA

Please don’t make excuses for blobbing Spears

If only more people had balls like TDA, they run less numbers than us (generally) but have similar mentality (not afraid of dying/engaging more numbers)

I don’t mind zerging, excessive zerging is the problem and find it pretty sad that so many players all of a sudden in wvw stop using their own initiative… sending entire zone for less than 20 guys is excessive… taking supply camps with 60 guys (100 supply limit) is excessive.

Vincavec-8350

Stop whining and adapt? flanking them? so your basically saying 8 guys go from the one side and 8 from the other against 60-80 guys who will ball up? loooooool

or by adapt you mean recruit more numbers, or get allies in the zone and counter blob you? looooool

The state of game people are turning WvW into is a bad joke and they are too blinded by the WXP to see it yet. When the novelty runs off you will be left with a lesser version of WvW that we use to play.

So many people have changed their gamestyle in such a short space for “progression” and kitten I am XX rank (who cares) and forgotten how to fight.

Where have the Gandaran guilds gone? where is Dius, Int, XxX, MM, Yak, WvW, TDA, GF, and plenty of other stand alone guilds?

Nuke, Yolo Aint a new transfer guild… gandarians feel like spreading false information…
Same people different Tags

Its basically a community guild(they been running the yolobus for awhile now) which invites everyone on the server, and run around with one commander as one megablob even taking supply camps and veterans like that just for the wxp lolol

Gandara is selling its soul for WXP like other servers are losing their identity… they could of been a lot more effective spreading out but no was just auto attacking zerglings… I mean if every server does the same thing that’s what 3 commander a map… 4 maps… 12 people out hundreds calling the shots and everyone else is pawns = game going downhill

Yolo = community endorsed zerging just what this matchup needs more of

80 guys to take a camp gg

Where have all the guilds and pvpers gone? all I see is blob vs blob vs TUP

lol at bringing entire zone just to deal with less than 20 TUP

The best fights tonight on gd bl by far was 3way between bay and garra in the open, but the open fights are few and far between

sad state of game when 2 of my favourite servers change their playstyle just for lolz wxp progression… not like the titles or increases do that much

use some iniative and spread out

/kind regards TUP

Ps. Brave brave sir robin is coming for you

I know you were in other zone mate (not 100% sure what it was like there) just stating what happened in AG bl… and from what I saw last week with FSP and general attitude of most players now culling as been fixed, is to blob more now than ever… even some guild groups. This is tier 4 not tier 1… why so much hand holding and so little independence.

We have met you once that I remember outside nw garrison while I was leading on the wed (of the last bb/rs/ag matchup) but this isn’t about TUP or DsD… its about players being lame and playing the game in a lame way… the win at all costs mentality instead of Fun.

I cant match them, I will bring more and more numbers, other side then usually will counter and bring more numbers… then it deteriorates into a He said, she said, he did it first pointless argument…

Eventually the game will become a slideshow because of the some people would say cowardly I would say lame pack mentality of players taking it to the extreme(excessive blobbing/zerging) abusing the flaws of the game. The frames rate drop is abuse of game mechanics as the server’s cant handle it, yet players mindlessly encourage this type of behaviour just for the win… to me that is stupid because the gameplay is worse win or lose (who cares if you win if gameplay is crap) not very memorable or fun imho.

Just like Culling use to get abused big time, intentionally or not… The blobbing and lag is unquestionable abuse of lag though in most cases (when its excessive i.e entire zone on one commander and not just for keeps)

I already know one decent guild who have stopped playing because 95% of people have become zerglings and wont compromise their style and counter blob because where is the fun in that and laggy fights where your own abilities don’t even work as intended.

You mean red was running 40-60 guys (double/triple the size of any guild in the bl by themselves alone but they weren’t alone lol) and then had the rest of the pugs/guilds in there stick with them ikittenergball

Please don’t make excuses for that kind of gamestyle… it will just deteriorate this matchup/game long term if that’s all anyone does, zergball and counter zergball

Because you guys want to be efficient and score points, instead of play the game and spread out looking for fights… You want to be more like some other servers than instead of like Baruch Bay… lose your identity and have no backbone = little respect for your guilds who chose to do that and your server in general.

We wiped your(bb) blob with like 20 people when we didn’t lag out, so its not about “crying” its about health of the game and the negative impact that style is having on the game… if you cant see that then whatever you have no foresight.

If guilds are going to blob up and chose to “easymode” I think its going to be mentioned… So please fail troll more ex traitor and now saviour of Baruch Bay with your leet T1 experience.

1 guild 20 ppl vs 1 guild 40-60 +20 randoms minimum

We have fought red a lot in the past and they never felt the need to blob up and that’s when they had less people (30+) What has changed for you guys? what Riverside did to you?

I know you guys discussed this on your forums awhile back… do you want to play like Piken/Deso or Riverside/ViZ

If you chose the easy option then no respect for that, as we both know your capable of playing at a higher standard than that… you guys believe your highly skilled as a server then back up your words with your actions in game and don’t zergball the matchup to death. You weren’t that far off piken’s standard of spreading in the past, and with a bit of work would be harder to stop but less laggy fights.

I hope this megablobbing was just a reset thing instead of a new fotm thing for Baruch Bay’s server otherwise ill lose any respect for your guilds and server. We had enough blobbing last week with FSP being the main culprits creating counter blobbing, 80 guys to take a supply camp gg. Great accomplishment and fun factor must be off the charts for sure.

Your guilds are good enough to stand alone, and have proved that many times in the past. You will lose your guilds identity and become worse and for what exactly? more zerging in the higher tiers? more laggy gameplay? I guess the score and tier mean that much to you instead of the fights. I don’t get how superior numbers and lag is really that fun for you guys… I don’t get that mentality your going to impose on this matchup of blob and counter blob

Instead of your old spread out style which as worked for you in the past and was more respectable and fun, reminded me of Piken.

Looking forward to seeing what guilds still have their own identity this week…

Only bringing this up sooner rather than later before this thread turns into another blob vs blob vs blob argument (where people can obviously see the numbers they are running and against these days)

BB are one of my top 3 servers to date to fight against (because of all your varied guild groups) and previously less blobby ways. If you think compromising your style is fun and worth it then good luck being just another one of those servers

Cheers for the few fights that didn’t drop frame rates to lolol levels

/kind Regards TUP

For anyone who likes WvW videos here’s another (his first)

Everyone blobs, here is our unlikely blob during this matchup…

Cheers for the fights

/kind regards TUP

Thanks for the fights tonight in FSP BL, especially the ones around bay area

Me & The Bird looked after our precious bay for the glade despite numerous attacks from FSP & a cheeky poke from gandara at one point too on south gate :P

You threw everything and the kitchen sink at bay but still it stood strong… Thanks to our allies tonight for fast reactions and assistance. Lost count of the amount of attacks on bay tonight, and that one where you had everyone and their mother from FSP on the north plateau was very nice

Surprised and disappointed you FSP guys logged off though after the latest failed attempt on inner bay you went from 25 guys down to one defender in next to no time.

Cheers for the fights

/kind Regards TUP

Ps. Tally my number counting is pretty fine mate, but if you want to rib me for my sense of direction then that is fair enough as my guild do after the other day it had a lot to be desired but it still worked out… they knew what I meant hahaha

Simonoly…

“Well said. If a catapult attack is counteracted then a treb attack is the next logical step in tower offense. It’s up to the defenders of said tower to then counteract the treb attack. This is how WvW works and why all these modes of offense and defence exist.

I think they were just disappointed that we didn’t all rush in and get destroyed by their wall of balistas and instead did the clever thing and trebbed them down after identifying where all the siege was placed. After all, it’s hardly fun for us to get destroyed by a wall of siege."

Really still? Was disappointed you left your borderland without fighting us, could of easily rebuilt cata’s as you took down our siege on wall but you guys wanted to easymode it instead simples. That is what a siege is… you starve objective of supply and knock a entrance down, we had no manpower and no supply left… you went to pve Whatever floats your boat.

The siege was built there as a last stand, I mean if one guy can have a good go vs them im sure with his 20+ supporting him wouldn’t of been one sided in our favour.

So much fail trolling from some of gandara again, I thought the culling fix would of made people a bit more honest on these forums instead of drama kittens

your few guys who remained pushed in and balistas was still up… we engaged them outside too so not like we needed them, when their allies had left them. The walls was open for awhile… don’t want to derail the thread about one fight or lack of but I guess it fits in with rest of it about blobs as its one of them weeks

Get over ourselves? really?

You must of been watching something else, as we fought and killed some of you and died too outside of the tower… when you split after the catas were destroyed we fought… but wasnt mindlessly charging your 20-30 stacked guys on cata spot with 4 (although we do sometimes) we was defending and skirmishing

You just backing up the pvedoor arguement… looking for your pvp(cough pve) in a empty zone which you could zerg uncontested instead for Wxp instead of against some organised oppostion end of story. Like I said respect to dius ele and the few others who tried.

We built Siege for your bigger numbers, not our fault you chose to pve. So of course the siege was going to get used.

More excuses for running away to pve please instead of stay and fight at 5am not much of pvp alternatives…

Talleyrand… QQ guild because I call some Gandarans out for running away from a fight and yes it was a fight, we were defending and you only took it when it had no defenders (surprise)… So this preference for pve is lame to me. We logged as it was late and we had repelled the attack from the few guys who play wvw for pvp and not wxp and rep’d both walls.

I have alot more respect for gandara as a server more than that, The 4th week matchup in the AR/GD/PS matchup GD earnt my respect through their grafting and determination instead of hiding in pve. Their never say die and never surrender attitude, I thought Gandara wouldnt back down from a fight and was pretty similar… so if i See alot of guys flip zones run away from players to go to a empty zone for a “easier score” in a PvP game of course im going to raise that, sorry if you dont like the fact i raise it. I just have a lot higher expectations of your server (like the sportmanship on hills the other day)

Thankyou for atleast admitting you left a fight in your numbers favour to pvedoor in another zone because apparently that’s more fun that fighting players and reclaiming your zone.

Respect to the gandaran guys who stayed but the others showed their true colours in every way. Its a shame they didn’t support you.

We thought you left zone, as we lost our outmanned buff, but we didn’t really believe that so many people would run away from a fight because its not in our mentality to run away from a fight like that and believe killing npcs is more fun than killing players… and we couldn’t be bothered to chase you around zone hoping again for second night in a row (the other night there was more either side) I thought the days of us having to chase superior numbers zone hopping away from us at night were long gone…

What happened to the old gandara and the gandarian spirit that liked to actually fight instead of blob and zone hop? I know you will say its the same for every server but ive barely seen your guild groups this matchup compared to the past where it was more like old school piken. You guys seem really tainted from playing tier 3 and compromised your playing style by reverting to yolobus more often than not?

looking forward to more fights and not pve and running into your guild groups w/ equal strength

Caid you really need to teach Gandarians how to play for fun man…

kinda sad to see 30+ guys swap borderlands from gd to ag bl away from FOUR defenders to pvedoor /yawn

As for this tier being zergy was a lot less zergy against baruch bay and riverside and that’s saying something

The culling change has been positive, but more so the wxp change as made 95% of players want to wxp train which is pretty lolz

Respect to the 5% who still have their own identity, a lot of people seem to lack * when they venture into WvW and want to hand hold

Some nice fights tonight

http://i.imgur.com/rDTIa8Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lnvL5l9.jpg

/kind regards TUP

We were down to 11 or 13 at that time took a few people down with us

The Magician will reveal the illusions soon enough

When friendly culling gets fixed we will all be in better place to judge…

But aside from bumping into allies at keeps, Zerging aint our style so dont see it from against AG perspective

Ive seen FSP’s entire bl at supply camps not just keeps or eb

Gandara’s as mostly been at keeps and smaller than fsps so far but still big enough