Guild Wars 2

The Blobbing Disease As Spread Are You Infected? =D

I thought it was 52

Tonight was a good night Nuke

Gandara are historically weak on server reset… dont read anything into it

As for AG having a strong organised night force… I run into alot of FSP players online tonight… fighting their megablob in EB while outmanned was fun

Nice to fight new oppostion hope it turns out to be a fun week

/Kind regards TUP

5 & 1/2 days ouch, way to demoralize a enemy

Cheers for the info Nuke, i dont know why people would deny facts, was just wondering how they would fit into BB’s setup and if our main raid would bump into them or not consistently, always seemed to miss fighting rnv with our main group due to different schedules but knew they were fairly decent.

one random casual who can only play half a hour to a hour a week in wvw wont change the WvW matchup much, but a very active daily and decent experienced commander (who works with the pugs) can easily have a big influence, especially if they can galvanize the server. Obviously they wont win it by themselves, no person or guild can have that much impact on a matchup, but a decent pug commander can almost look after a zone by themselves earning alot of points and giving other guilds more freedom to push on. It all adds to the feel good factor your server is riding atm due to momentum and morale (still dont understand why some people’s morale gets effected by score though in a video game) gl if you pip Gandara you will have more than earned it

Lol kitten is censored

You must of played on a different tier 2 to me… I remember alot of “organised guilds” hand holding singing kitten by yah as they run around together circle jerking

I remember Very skilled enemy warbands perma stealthed until fight was over then they dropped their perma stealth and rendered on screen, and very impressive number 1 spam as the other abilities didnt fire… very pro and exciting gameplay all to be admired and copied no doubt to prove who has the biggest kitten

Riverside want your spot just so you know

Its going to be close but i think GD will edge it and remain tier 3

32 hours kitten lol is that a riverside record or you done more in the past? nice achievement, surprised it was lost in the morning instead of the late night. Ive seen you hold a enemy hills for alot longer but thats easier to defend/bunker. What is the longest riverside as held a enemy bay for?

So DsD (disidents) rejoined BB from Desolation and will be similar to RNV and cover offpeak more? or similar to nuke and bit of both prime/offpeak?

Riverside regained a influential commander, having a good start, planned events increasing PVER’s pressence in WvW and then fairweathers joining due to winning on points giving you a population boost on top of AG & BB slacking a bit.

Looks like Riverside will fall just short of promotion (gandara usually finish strong) with AG & BB anxiously looking over their shoulder at FSP progress.

Next week will be interesting, with all eyes on Riverside to see if you can keep your momentum and breach tier 3 and shake up both matchups… or if there will be a BB & AG Backlash if we get another decent round

Personally i’d like to see a AG v BB v GD matchup in the near future and see how it goes… but BB & RS as last night showed still plenty of fun to be had

Enjoy being in the middle of the Baruch-Riverside Rivalry and fighting you both, your both top ten servers in your own right fighting to regain your former tier… one sleeping giant as awoken, waiting for Baruch bay to be unified and rise like RS showed it can switch it on. AG has showed its not just making up the numbers by winning a round, and being able to competively compete with both your vastly experienced and slightly larger WvW population servers is a acheievement itself.

I feel both your servers could compete in tier 3, piken got zero night coverage now, like 10-15 guys which you would both exploit… Their russian daytime would exploit bb’s lack of people, but that would be made back in the night. Where Riverside are more well rounded with their coverage and if your day time could hold their russian zerg, your night team would more than capitalize on the difference.

Cheers for the fights tonight on AG bl

Finally fixed techincal issues with pc, first time ive lead in three weeks didnt have commander tag on character i was on but still had a few friendlies follow me/us from time to time

Initially was 14 of us, at our peak we were 22 then towards end for awhile we was 17 when we finished and some did small scale afterward.

Some very intense fights tonight… firstly vs Riverside Realm present around the hills area mostly and sometimes in the north then later in the evening against Baruch bay realm around bay and garrison

Was great hope you enjoyed it as much as us
mostly Nuke, Lex, then later DsD? never seen before… and everyone else

As for german’s we fought
DW? Zorn? Cant remember all the rest of tags as ive had too many fights since haha but i know there was a large RS pressence during the evening so cheers for the great fights

thanks to our allies too mostly Adda, also Rorik & Kragg & the rest of the Glades

/Kind Regards from TUP

The prospect of Free Drinks lured me here especially if Khrum is buying

Ps. Dont give our weakness away

I can understand that… sometimes feel it even when running 15-20 guys and always getting zerged by the entire zone… but atleast we have more of a chance to fight back than you guys do so its not as bad we have slim chance where you have 0.001%

Besides REQ & TDA not really sure of many small scale guilds anymore which is a shame. Amok/Baka maybe, a handful of guilds spread across tiers/servers… the rest are not either that active or memorable enough… I only do small scale late, so maybe there are some guilds ive missed out i dont see true strength of.

Its a shame not more on the small scale scene, the other small scale guilds encounter same issues as you and probally give up as they will think whats the point everyone zerging and with lack of GVG available in game, and your role kinda being destroyed by ANET nerfing supply camp buffed lords.

I can recall plenty of times when twice our number wont engage us, which is dissapointing, and i can recall even more times when we will engage over twice our number… have a similar attitude in regards to looking for fights just on a different scale, some people are too affraid of dying instead of participating in a good fight. Good fights is what the game is all about imo win or lose.

Maybe certain guild tags, or just having the same guild tag invokes fear amongst enemy… which is shame, its so tempting to swap our guild tags to see how the enemy approaches us differently… having guild tags is very double edged at times.

Players make the game what it is… but yes Anet do not help at all as all their 99% of changes and their design encourages Zerging

Enemy A cant beat enemy B in equal fight… so bring more numbers so enemy A wins… enemy B counters and brings more numbers vice versa… gets to point with how many numbers is enough

Everyone has their own number what is enough, I know TUP have and stop recruitment once we reach a certain number active, and if we run too many we would split into two instead of one… I dont understand the few horde guilds personally, like you might not get larger guilds.

Map should be bigger, should have more small scale objectives to hold… everything should be done by Dev’s to spread and stretch troops as much as possible to discourage blobbing.

I can understand your frustrations Zumy

Alot of small scale guilds are dissappearing from game this year, either merging with bigger guilds or just play less and less

More and more people are copying the higher tiers playstyle instead of having their own identity which is a shame and bad for general gameplay

I feel the change which effected supply camps is largely responsible, yes it slows down the zerg slightly when its buffed but it stops the use of small scale groups flipping supply camps as much as they use too, and running into other smaller groups doing the exact same thing… which produced potentially more equal fights

I know small scale dont exist in t2… alot of friends in t3 complain about lack of small guilds… before we left piken i know alot of 5-10 man guilds merged as they couldnt compete by themselves. So to see that effect happening in tier 4 is not very positive for gameplay imo

Everything all comes back to numbers… and most people’s soultion to that is get more numbers… not sure if you want to compromise your current gaming style and recruit to become a medium(10-15) sized guild then you will have the ability to fight and pull the zerg around without being totally roflstomped by mass numbers w/ no chance.

Other solution if it gets too bad, would be enquire about and x fer to lower tier to see if small scale culture still exists there… but you might have same issues if its just getting ingrained into player culture and mob/pack mentality too much instead of own identity.

so did you decide to draw straws yet?

Riverside are very kitten off after end of last week… where AG were light on numbers before reset (pve events) and a small handful of AG players conspiared with BB allowing them get points easier and pipping RS to 1st place… so they respond with 50 man rush at 5am with multi golems and going full out since then.

Best chance in awhile for one of you to get relegated <3

Woah… Why do WvW threads always have to deteriorate into this shambles, lack of respect for enemy… when will people realise that your enemies(other players) make the game and the score is largely meaningless besides determining enemy.

Reminds me of when piken and Augury made a alliance on xmas? against gandara… as they were both heavily outnumbered and it was between just 3 active commanders on two servers… that % of players is hardly anything of a server and it was maybe for 12 hours or a bit longer? It produced alot of bitterness for many weeks

Tarring actions of a few which you disagree with to whole server is very illogical… Its not like there was a meeting, it was pre-planned and big % of server taking part.

They were probally bored and or roleplaying… it happens in 3way, intentional or opportunistically… it is what it is, its not right and its not wrong (illegal) I can understand RS being frustrated, but if the victory meant so much to you, you would of made sure (like you seem to be doing this week)

Like if i saw a few people exploiting from x server… i wouldnt call the entire server exploiters, i would report to their community so they know who’s dodgy to look out for.

I dont know why it takes this bit of Drama (to some) for RS to show its true strength again that it is a t3 server… Just like Baruch Bay is a T3 server in waiting…

As for RS zerging… every server has their zerg not just RS… some people are ignorant and dont say the difference between Large guild group like DTK/Zorn/VU and pug Zerg. Pug zerg is generally mindless (not always) but obviously less organised than a guild group… so its pretty disrespectful to those guilds to just always call them zerg even if they run larger numbers than you… Its nothing compared to the general t1/t2 zergs all on the spot.

Maybe if your guild groups and pug zerg didnt run around together in close proximity you would get accussed of zerging less but people will always accuse and counter accuse of zerging… its in peoples nature too. I know you guys are just trying to co-ordinate but the proximity at times gets accused of blobbing. The have’s and the have not’s, numbers difference always a sore subject in WvW but WvW isnt meant to be fair and always equal.

long way to go but Gl if you do get promoted to T3… I Know RS is strongest on weekend and with “events” or being worked up by drama I know you wont be push overs on weekdays either by putting in extra effort like you showed last week.

Hey hoka, Oh we are use to fighting whole zone at times vs BB/RS (and briefly vs GD) but to me its less deliberate than higher tiers… although that style of play does seem like its filtering down the tiers and more and more tiers complaining about worse lag issues.

It produces alot of good fights, when you kill guilds like Nuke, Lex, Red, Cleaning squad all in a row in very short space of time… when your not running high numbers or w/ another guild… these guilds have their own identity and wont hold hands (ie spreading out instead of standing on the same spot) as deliberately like higher tiers plan and organise to hold hands.

Also RS having a couple of open field guilds emerging which is good to see.

I think difference atm is no 25-30+ guilds x 2 + pugs or another small guild on same spot that was all the rage in tier 2+

Plenty of good action to be had, we will likely change colours again

Will there be a round 5? or will FSP replace one of us? or better yet Will one of us get promoted into tier 3?

Judging on recent results should be another fairly balanced close match up with FSP potentially sneaking into tier 4.

genowefapigwa.5769:

Wamgor.9347:

Can Gandara and Piken Draw straws and one you get relegated please… both our tiers are largely stalemates.

No way Wamgor, we are close to T1 ! ;D

Yeah because thats where the better fights are to be had… Am I Right?

Where you do not have to compromise your guild style of play (cough blobbers/hypocrites) wait in ques to play… enjoy predicting what abilities will fire in 5 seconds from the time you use them and how many enemies your against in a battle

But seriously please consider drawing straws

Waiting Patiently to fight you guys… on the plus side multiple BB & RS guilds are improving and plenty of good fights to be had.

KinkyWarrior.1879:

Wamgor.9347:

Can Gandara and Piken Draw straws and one you get relegated please… both our tiers are largely stalemates.

I…I dont know how to tell you this.. but us and Piken… We’re having an affair :/

I did hear you get around alot mate :x

Ouch didnt know that, sorry to hear… glad things are looking better now

Did kinda wonder what happend as they were our first real test way back when. Plenty of good fights. Looking forward to fighting them when they are rebuilt (if we are all still in same tier by then haha) will gladly be willing to help whip them back into shape of their old high standards. Really need to get my technical issues fixed by then.

I remember they use to do alot for Riverside and was to me, your spearhead of the campaign and would see them everywhere always.

Seen DTK/Zorn both decent… Did Ferox gaming (Fx?) go to Kodash after? They were another decent guild that left a positive impression i looked out for.

Dran dont lie… you dont remember the piken night zerg we use to have when we rolled other servers with our night crew of 20 guys on a good night covering 4 maps(you would see when wvw maintainance kicked in)… 5 of the 20 usually being TUP and both the other servers having more than 20 alone in EB and also able to run 30-40 man zergs in outer borderlands….

Dont you remember that? when the enemy would consistenly lose to our 5 man zerg and complain about it? Dont you remember we had to pick a objective to defend because we didnt have the man power to do both and let one of our enemies pve door it back? Cuz I most certainly remember that good times on piken hahaha

Good luck to Oracle is all i have to say and the rest of the night time guys… what you lacked in number made up for in spirit and skill by always having backs to the wall last man stands. Best and smallest night time that ive seen in terms of influence and against the odds, ive played alot of night time and seen 25 of the 27 servers. Will take some doing to beat that imho.

Can Gandara and Piken Draw straws and one you get relegated please… both our tiers are largely stalemates.

Myrmi I would only partially know about some of the clashes… as technical issues lately have seriously limited my game time. I know when TUP gives you a answer, its as honest and accurate as can be in regard to our numbers, i just lol at some of the kitten flying around. No point lying about numbers… its all about fights at end of the day and the fun you get from them… I have alot of respect for different enemy guilds and even the pugs when they try instead of hide (obviously when they have larger number)

No need for elitism or baiting… your enemy is what makes the game as well as your allies. I know the TUP guys have some really good fights lately which im gutted ive missed out on.

Its very nice to see Riverside be more aggressive and come out to play in the open better, instead of just have reputation for siege use and upgrades (which is a bit unfair for some of your guilds) I know you guys played to your strengths and that bunkering allowed you to be in top tiers for so long against bigger servers. I hope you keep it up, as fun as some siege fights can be, open field are consistently more fun imo. Siege fights usually lead to the Major W3 issues, more lag,culling everything on top of each other…

Its also nice to see new Baruch Bay guilds emerge… before it use to be Nuke,CS, RNV (ex BB) Now Ive seen RED, Lex,Gwds, DF? more and more lately running decent number when ive been able to play.

As for Asterilla I heard Shapeco said his was bigger

Also is RSC still alive and kicking? under reconstruction or just a few people left wearing the tags? As i remember it had issues awhile back and see a Tag of RSC now and then expecting alot more to show up

“Zumy” /quote Platoons? (large groups of organised players)” Wtf? :-D

I threw up in my mouth a little bit, when reading this :-P.

Basically everything +10 is a zerg and I dont remember ever seeing TUP below 20-30 ppl.

I dont get how anybody coukd enjoy culliing the kitten out of eachother, but I wont judge. It’s what ANet gives to the players. /unquote

Zumy dont slander TUP’s Name or give misinformation about our guild… last night TUP was running in the 15 region… and usually on good nights would be running (lately on average 20 region) in the past or special occasions closer to 30 for sure… but we but unlike some kitten guilds who log off if they go below a certain number of players online… TUP generally runs into smaller scale w/ whoevers left… main issue lately is that im the night commander and barely played due to pc issues… and obviously if you dont play at x late hours you wouldnt see… plus your riverside, usually its only against Baruch Bay at night…

I know your guild is small scale usually around 5 or so and we have always been mismatched and run you over at supply camps… but dont spread false information about my guild mate. Anyone who knows us properly knows zerging isnt our thing… zerg busting is We live for good fights, we dont take much enjoyment from mis matches in our favour.

“i know hob move alone they do that always but all the other guild no,and this is not a whine but not pretend other guild come to play on a blob border,many time we are the only guild on a border so is XxX vs all,and is not fun die always against a blob.”

Thats what we had to deal with when we moved to AG vs GD on your bl… and it was more fun than t2… and best fights we had in awhile tbh and yes its in its own league of different challenge when everything is tier 3, and there is no other realm in zone… so its Server Vs Guild (aprox 20)… with scouts spotting you everywhere and everyone aiming for the only battle marks on map.

I just saw your video of XxX vs TUP and lol at the map chat… you missed out some of the better fights where you died too, but i guess not many guilds show themselves wiping like krato does haha.

It was a bit frustrating because of we were used to working with people/being rusty from tier 2 being crap lag/blobs/ques. Another guild on bl would of made a difference or let alone some riverside guys… But still it was the most fun we had in awhile, some of the open fights in the nw bay area are up there with best fights we’ve had. Looking forward to more.

Not Sure who will replace you in tier 3 Gandara… T4 is a very balanced matchup

Very Good to see Piken in a healthier postion again… keeping a close eye on this matchup

Please no repeat of last time these 3 servers went at it in best of 4 series. Piken/Gandara drop down and join the tier 4 fun… you know you want too

Virtually impossible for any of you to drop to tier 4 this week… but maybe next week if lucky <3

Enjoy your matchup will be great just like the original’s.

/Envious

Woah… whats with all the QQ

lol at complaining about all this night capping…

Firstly we all know BB naturally have the biggest night pressence and AG were busy fighting them… Its not AG’s fault that RS gave up last night…

I know both your servers lost one or two “clans” BB lost rnv to SFR? RS lost FG? If? to Kodash? which is a shame, can understand people moving for fights although FG/IF move was more surprising.

I know both your servers have had a bit of internal drama and you are both weaker than we fought in T3 (w/ piken) Im not sure why Morale or Score is playing such a big effect for people… when its all about fun fights, kill or be killed, the epic action.

sIN > kaz +1

“Cause if someone doesn’t fight in open field at least is not Nuke… I don’t know the rest of baruch since we play only in 1 map at a time, but i can say that both aurora and riverside are a bunch of bunker campers (except some guilds which fight once or twice then flee whenever they see us). When we arrive, there are allways 2-3 arrow carts awaiting to fire at will.”

I could take this quote the wrong way and say the same thing about BB’s Server We have been on your bl this week Nuke, mostly seen Red/CS and alot of other spanish guild tags that i cant remember the names of

When we run normal raid numbers entire bb bunker themself into t3 keep and siege it up… When we running lower numbers we still dont run away we defend to the end despite being totally outmanned. Looking forward to fighting nuke tonight, always good fights.

I respect both your servers Rs/BB (Ironically aimed more at BB) but can you please fight more in the open field and less hiding behind siege/t3 upgrades when you outnumber us as it becomes a snooze fest and really boring…

I know some of you guys love your siege, but when you outnumber a enemy so much it is a bit sad that you dont come out to play

You know we play for fights win or lose it dont matter… Treb wars and hiding is tedious… dont tell me you prefer to treb or rv door over killing people who you outnumber I cannot understand that mentality…

Hope you enjoy fighting us as much as we do you

/kind regards TUP

look forward to more epic battles in the future

Torfear.3076:

Hi TUP people!

You all are so strong and powerful defense inside Lord’s Shadaran Hills. We enjoyedyour defense during hours.

Congratulations!

Name: Torfear
Clan: RED
Server: Baruch Bay
Map: Baruch Bay

Thanks for the fights tonight, mostly on BB bl and mostly again BB Way more enjoyable than tier 2… lots of fun throughout

Seemed like you guys eventually gathered the entire zone to fight us hehe

slowly losing everything on map, we did last stand at hills… outnumbered, lack of supply and pinned in, eventually you had more siege than us there

Our 18 TUP guys for hills fight enjoyed it, was pretty intense… there was also a few AG friendlies around who helped out… I saw plenty of Baruch Bay on my screen wave after wave, with RED usually leading the charge amongst them. Was great stuff, we lost a couple of people out of postion and finally went down after along time. A couple of ppl logged, I took over leading we took SM, reinforced another bl, then came back to BB and took half the map again to have rnv and others slowly kick us out of map again when we were down to 4 guys

Bay before hills was pretty good also, maybe if we had closer to 30 TUP instead of 20 on things would of been even more interesting

/Kind Regards TUP

Rajnesh.4526:

Wamgor.9347:

come back to tier 4 gandara you know you want too

Come to Gandara and fight against KoA, I know you miss us

Piken will never be the same without The Unlikely Plan [TUP].

Haha, Gandara dont need us and its more fun to fight them

Was a bit gutted that we leapfrogged kodash and missed a potential rematch… Rsc & Koa was first main guilds to present decent challenge/very good fights. Shame Rsc fell apart, but good to see KOA going strong, as ive seen a few decent small scale german guilds around but not many big.

Shame about Piken, although we were very active/heavily involved in the community we werent only guild on Piken but thanks

Pretty sure kodash will take their 6th spot back you guys too strong for tier 3

Agreed about the blob too much zerg vs zerg in tier 2…

Also understand why some of those guilds sIN, Des,Kaz moved as the spanish usually dominate that time zone period in the am… and lack of competition (only one spanish server) so have no real oppostion in those time zones, besides against one another or maybe eventually american servers as you will get more oppostion.

Its hard to read how strong your server still is, just like riverside as both suffering from morale a little bit (as you both t2-t3 for awhile) still t4 is pretty fun for those who are not suffering from low morale

come back to tier 4 gandara you know you want too

Also whats up with BB server… slightly suprised you guys got relegated from tier 3 (kinda expecting you to bounce back on score due to night coverage)

BB/Nuke Did you lose any guilds? Rnv still around? cleaning squad and the rest? those are most the guilds I remember from the piken matchup.

Thanks for the fights tonight in AG Bl and later on Rs Bl

/wave @ Nuke

Would love to of heard your reactions nuke if you didnt already know we were on AG… atleast now you do if you didnt already was great fights in and around bay area for awhile. This time no toggle walk hehe

Also Wsdp?(maybe typo) (dont remember them from Piken matchup) run a decent number and to the rest of BB encountered tonight… cheers for the fights, saw more of you guys than RS

Way more fun than tier 2… alot of good fights, think my favourite was probally se supply camp on riverside bl vs baruch bay was alot of fun

/kind regards TUP

Just some footage put together by a guild mate of some of the GvG on friday before reset for any of those interested

Was fun thanks for the fights guys

Kromsin.6359:

If you left can you stay gone this time please? Thanks RG and Tup!

Guilds like GG and KA who have been on this server for a very long time seem to keep showing up with no drama.

Really? please get your facts right before you make things up

This is first time we (TUP) have left Piken Square, been on it since the start… and with attitudes like this towards us hardly surprise now is it.

Please refrain from bringing our guild into this.

Please do not bring TUP into this… we have already talked about it at the meeting and on PS forums. People in the community know our reasons, others might assume different. 2 “over sized Ego" guilds… you clearly don’t know TUP very well then mate.

It depends how the rest of the community handles the situation and how many leave… t3-t4 is whats most likely to happen… unless kitten really hits the fan…

not like Piken will drop back down to tier 8 days unless everyone and their mother leaves on masse.

Wasn’t easy choice to leave, good luck resolving issues and hopefully we get to fight sometime

Thanks for the Fights tonight In Gandara Bl

Was pretty fun… Bring more people

Is it me or are you guys really itching to fight us even when we low numbers

Don’t get promoted… give more battles

/kind Regards TUP

We had alot of fun tonight in WvW mostly on Gandara BL

Its been awhile since we had decent fights… with all the issues in Tier 2 with bad ques/culling/ability lag and blobbing… the good fights were few and far between and forget about decent regular small scale even at off peak.

So its been a great change and justify’s moving, to put the fun back into guild and WvW. Something that points obessives overlook, the fun factor…

A fresh new challenge, on a mature friendly and very welcoming community its been a nice change so far.

Plenty of decent action and fights to be had…

We have alot of room for improvement, some of our guys are rusty and complacent… although saying that we have generally been outmanned in most fights. We are adapting to our new surroundings and different enviroment. If gandara bl wasnt t3 tonight would of been even more fun and better fights imo.

I can understand guilds running less raid numbers than us teaming up, but when some guilds running more numbers teaming up then its a bit kitten… a compliment but hopefully that mentality of adapting isnt final answer as it is in tier 2 because recruiting running higher numbers will be boring counter. That being said The blobbing tonight was no where near as bad as tier 2 though…

Plenty of good fights in particular vs XxX when we had more even numbers and less add’s (northwest region outside bay/nw supply camp)

Some decent fights vs Dius/WvW at times (although they were at running less numbers at times)

and also MM but dont recall seeing them that much and was a bit blobby in our few fights.

Also some pretty good fights vs the “infantry” and other guilds not mentioned

Lloantix We Still own that tower as I log mwahahaha

Look forward to some more good fights, hopefully you guys dont get promoted although i think you will because BB are slacking

/kind regards TUP

ill add this one here its short but sweet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fqKfQ2GY1To

Thanks for the fights this week guys, quite alot of epic action from my point of view

Although the ques have sucked since stealth population cap nerf and the culling is worse than its ever been just like the last fix…

Good luck in your next match up which ever tier you may end up in with wildcard oppostion due to rankings reset and “new math”

Next weeks matches are going to be very weird…

Its a shame about ques, would of had a few more decent fights if our guys in que had been in at times, and also missing out on fighting some guilds who have bigger numbers offpeak than when we do in prime but we go with whatever we have

Plenty of Fun Fights especially in BB bl last few nights & in particular @ hills

Kind Regards
TUP

My issue, besides the Stealth nerf since update on monday to population cap per a map to try reduce culling (which btw is still broken and in my opinion worse, alot more siege culling now than before too) Is that Piken Square WvW community, is getting punished for its own success as you pointed out…

Anet are the Sat Nav and basically telling everyone to go Piken Square because we are a medium population… despite we are full in WvW (look at the tiers and servers we beat it doesnt lie… we have a very high active wvw population) but no this doenst get taken into account what so ever in terms of cost of moving to a server….

So more and more people will fill up on Piken Square for WvW (which already has que issues) guilds and core piken players who built the server will not be able to get in… the roleplayers wont be able to roleplay and will be replaced by Zerglings from other servers who care more about score than the community and just want to ride the karma train… something Piken’s never been about so we as a server will lose our Identity.

Then guilds will look else where and Piken Will die if it loses these guilds if they move(because of issues getting out of hand) like blacktide died when they lost their guilds…

The Fact that Piken Square is 500 gems and all its rivals are 1000+ Piken being a international server (people overlook the fact its roleplay because of how much kitten we kick)

This is very unfair measuring stick used for gem price on transfer… it encourages people to move to our full WvW server… if they want to pve here like i said roleplayers would already be here or they could atleast guest for pve… so why are we the cheapest option when in rankings we clearly dont need more, if you look at que statistics we have alot of ques on Piken Square WvW maps…

Then look at the rankings at servers like blacktide… look at their scores in current matchups, those servers are “DEAD” but expensive there is no incentive to transfer there… there is alot of road blocks due to their pve population and no WvW…

Where is the balance? and where are the soultions?

Gems prices should be placed on Tier Ranking if you want to atleast help out balance WvW population… Make the high tiers very expensive that people are not willingly going to switch there… i.e t1-t3 = very high t4-t6 = high t7-t9= low

This will encourage downward migration… to the servers that need more players, there will be little risk moving to a server and trying it out in the low tiers and liking it… and high price for high tiers will more likely put some people off and so spread to the servers that actually need it…

But no, everything is about PVE POPULATION in PVP Enviroment… I do not get this logic it hurts my brain i struggle to understand this. What does pve have to do with WvW? Why is Pve having such a big effect on WvW? when they should be seperate…

Im very concerned that these changes will effect long term health of Piken Square WvW community where the roleplay aspect will eventually get lost by bandwagoners, the community will fall apart and that will be sad… There are multiple videos of our community roleplaying in WvW which ANET have even Tweeted links to some.

So im not sure if ANET are aware or even cares about the damage the system they have setup is going to do… if they read these forums, because the last thing WvW needs is another dead server.

the core of piken didnt seal its own fate, it more a case of bad timing as far as where we were and when free closure ended and all the sign posts which ANET put up are pointing transfer to piken square, they need more players because they are only medium population (which wasnt true)… where roleplayers who pve would be on piken already… and our WvW community was very active (look at the tiers and medium population) majority of people transfering now are WvW’rs not Pver’s who have atleast the option of guesting…

We have a great roleplay community in PVE & WvW… now this is starting to become overshadowed in WvW with new arrivals. The mature and friendly roleplay WvW community is becoming toxic.

So to say Piken brought this on itself isnt really fair or true. When i think of Piken I dont just think of the guild groups, i think about the crazy individuals always fighting hard and outmanned at off peak times like you mention.

So I would really like to Know ANET’s Stance on this issue.

I know your not entirely responsible for players moving to our server, but you are the catalyst. Your idea of players spreading out is failing horribly, because you have alot of people who are selfish and in the “I want it easy generation” so they switch around from servers that are losing, to ones that are winning because of their mentality…
Screwing over the native population.

We have a WvW Piken Square meeting tonight, which usually has 100+ all the different leaders of big or small guilds, and all piken individuals welcome… your welcome to attend ANET I can give you the details.

I dont represent everyones views, I dont claim too, but i know my community and im pretty sure ALOT of them will be feeling similar to me.

Thanks for reading
Your Customer

Piken WvW Community Getting Shafted

Have to get this part out of the way…

I will say this because at the end of the day someone has too and the community i love playing with is being destroyed

My background, been on Piken since start so seen its rise from low tiers… played 1500+ hours plus, mostly in WvW with over 55,000 kills… Usually run in primetime and night time commander… over 2.8 million Karma on my main WvW char… out of my 8 80’s.

That just shows you that i play alot so I know what im talking about when it comes to Piken Square WvW. Ask me about pve and im a newb

Dear Devs…

I believe I have read somewhere that you would like to encourage servers not to zerg and “blob up” all on the same spot… Well Being on Piken Square Since Day 1 I know we do not fall into that catergory, and did things our own way and strived to be different from our oppostion and zerg as little as possible which i believe we achieve. We have alot of guilds from the start who have known each other in previous games for years, so a few hundred solid base. On top of that have been lucky and met some other good guilds and individuals on our roleplay server.

Our server as been Medium population (was high once when you tweaked the settings) for along time, but despite that look at the WvW rankings… look at our active WvW population, PS never had much Coverage for along time either.

Piken has been a great place to be from the start, such a mature, friendly enviroment.
But your latest changes as pretty much singled out our server and we have been effected the most, our server as been punished by your changes and literally getting destroyed from within now.

Our server is losing its identity. We are no longer a mature,friendly enviroment… Its all getting toxic and more zerg like the rest… because of your changes, creating alot of uncertainty with bandwagoners (locking down free x fers) they moved to the highest ranked “lowest population” server… but that “lowest population is a lie” because our WvW population is high (primetime ques on every bl and then some) Just check the rankings and see how many very high population servers we have beat time and time again if you do not believe me.

So how do you feel about your changes effecting our community like this? I would really like to hear your opinion on how the Roleplay WvW community is being effected. Because its in dangers of exploding and you having another dead server on your hands… (Blacktide, Arborstone, Fort Ranik… to name a few of the latest)

We are now overpopulated because of your enforced changes… and will be even more populated because of the way you have setup your criteria. You Rank us as 500 gems… compared to other servers lower down the tiers which are very high population… You want people to spread out across the tiers but your just encouraging everyone and their mother to move to Piken square, because people are cheap and alot want success, so you put two and two together and Piken Square as got a big Sign on its back saying “MOVE HERE” or that we need more people, and Players who do no research will make assumptions and move to a server with ques, instead of a server lower down the rankings like a underworld which needs more Active WvW players…

I think the entire situation is unfair on Piken Square WvW community and its unfair on any new arrivals to Piken Square Community who are treated not so nicely (compared to the past)

So are you even aware of the issues you have created for our community? and more importantly do you even care? This will have long term implications on the game… as stated previously some of these guilds have played together for years, these are the type of gamers who would usually be in it for the long haul… but if you burn them then I can understand them losing faith in your direction when their community as been singled out.

This whole you need large pve population on a server to do well in WvW is a lie, we and other servers like us, show it is… so I dont understand why its Criteria for choosing a homeworld server… because lets face it now you have made guesting available PVERS can move freely as a guest to any server they want… People will mostly move homeworlds for obviously World Vs World.

I feel our Roleplay Server as been largely discriminated against with the recent changes, for punching above our weight in WvW (according to way you judge a servers population) we get punished… with all the recent arrivals, none of them care about roleplay or how the server as played for months… the first thing they have asked if where is the Zerg?

So Thanks for ruining my gameplay experience and many other hundreds of commited WvWers with your short cited Changes… Which have basically shafted my Server.

If you didnt know already your que system is broken… look at the amount of threads on it from various servers both NA & EU

Also your end of free transfers has on top of broken ques, pretty much killing the entire Piken WvW community, as people left dying servers blacktide /others and all cramed onto ours at the last minute which was already full WvW primetime… (despite med pop, alot only play for WvW) and now we are the highest ranked and cheapest option… so go figure where the most likely place people will x fer too especially when low servers have bigger populations than us.

Piken is more likely to collapse like Blacktide than be tier 1… Tier 2 or 3 maybe, but it really depends how much Anet destroy the piken community with the latest changes… 500 gems = come here sign on our backs when we are full and have been for awhile means core guilds are looking at alternatives because we have been x’d over.

Tier 1
Viz
SFR
Deso

Tier 2
Elona
Jade Sea
Kodash

Tier 3
Piken (if piken explodes then BB)
Augury Rock
Gunnars Hold

Roleplay Ftw

Centrix can you please stop giving people outside piken the wrong idea of ques in primetime on our server… 20 mins only… lol Each guild raid on average has 5+ players stuck in the que… and thats alot of guild raids… and last night TUP didnt even raid cuz ques was so bad, and Boon wasnt out in force (they had 5) that is a 2 big core guilds… thats another 50 players on top of the ques last night… you realise how long it would take for them to get into a zone?

You were probally in piken bl, or just lucky… because last night piken bl was full / had que but got totally destroyed losing t3 upgrades to both enemies… so I can understand randoms maybe logging after getting their kitten beat. But on outer borderlands when they are full of guild raids, no one is going to log early, only random crashes.

The ques are getting worse and its the new norm for Piken, because more and more idiots are moving to a full WvW server because we have a medium server population GG anet… your changes are killing off the WvW community on the roleplay server… the one that doesnt Zerg… which you supposedly wanted more players/servers to play like instead of just run around like a blob.