Did a berserker abom solo today (full ascended, str runes, bloodlust stacks, walled whirlwinds, ignoring dodging most of the time so I can finish my hundred blades) and got 2:59. Would have been like 2:56 if I didn’t get knocked back at the end (my latest condi, like I think I said before was 2:57).
I also did belka and got a 2:50 versus my 3:27 condi. That surprises me since power basically has zero ramp up time whereas with my condi kill after running out to heal I would have to build up conditions all over again.
Seems that fully optimised condi versus fully optimised power, power is probably ~10% stronger if both are using almost flawless rotations and with minimal interruption.
Well yah to frifox.5283 benefit he tried to be as fair as possible. Which I respect that he was attempting to make fair tests. The other side of that is he knows this as well as we do that his tests were not made with a fully optimized condition build or fully optimized rotations. Still based on his tests It gives us a good sense of where these builds are at comparatively. I think we all can look at what he did and didn’t do in his tests and speculate what the tests would look like if everything was perfect or as good as it could be. Which should be no surprise that you were able to get very closer times.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Things like cleasing ire where conditions are thrown around like crazy in that place the condi build is a clear winner in that zone.
We talk about PvE, not WvW. Just as a reminder.
lol do you farm cursed shore? i have had these conditions cast on me poison, burning, immobile, cripple, bleeding, chill, confusion, etc If I am rounding up a large pack of mobs so i can AOE them most of the times I am getting multiple instances of those. If you solo the meta events where the game spawns huge packs of trash for you to kill and get rich off of they all spam conditions like crazy.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
That is arguable. My conclusion is that power is the clear winner here and condi builds do have a chance to match power builds dps but only in a few niche situations.
Ya if all you care about is DPS than power is a clear winner. If you care about other things that condi builds do a lot better than power builds its not that clear.
Just as an example I much much prefer farming trash in ore on my condi build than I do with my power build. Things like cleasing ire where conditions are thrown around like crazy in that place the condi build is a clear winner in that zone.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
With a proper wind-up I got 6,020 DPS, which is a 3% improvement over lazy wind-up. Either way, still not enough to beat power builds.
I feel it’s versus high armour targets where the gap closes a bit more. I have 2:57 berserker abomination kill which from a quick look at youtube only Goku and Luca have beaten with their power builds, and Goku had stacks and bugged signet of might, Luca had stacks and it was pre-ferocity nerf. I’m using exotics, suboptimal runes, no stacks and my longbow only has energy and battle since I use it for Lupicus (I should probably get a battle + smoldering one).
This isn’t to say condis are superior, and I never wanted to argue that … but I feel the gap between condi and direct damage is a little smaller than we think.
Am I the only one to think that dodging affects both builds almost exactly the same way?
Dodging on 30/25 procs stick and move, plus the reckless dodges in berserker actually do decent damage. Dodging on 10/30 is … just a dodge with a pitiful reckless.
Same I never thought that the DPS of condi were superior, but I still think the utility of the condi builds make them much better. Ranged, CC, AOE, Torment, Etc… As well of having more armor and more flexable build options. Overall In my eyes DPS isn’t the only factor and since its so close I think Condi is a clear winner considering the rest of the package.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
With a proper wind-up I got 6,020 DPS, which is a 3% improvement over lazy wind-up. Either way, still not enough to beat power builds.
I really appreciate all the work you have done here.
Final words
This is basically what we expected, however most of us are very happy with it being so close. It really is close enough that when you factor in a mobs toughness and how much kiting (dodging, running around the boss to avoid attacks…etc) that conditions really shine here. In real world game play its probably closer than this. We have seen the various Lupi solo and other Boss solo vids and compared times etc. I don’t think anyone was expecting condi builds to beat power how ever in real world game play mechanics like torment beat power just because how broken they are. You can check the various Liadri videos for evidence of that.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
It was superior rune of the noble it summed drake hounds on hit or somthing.. ya well you can maintain 25 stacks of might but it doesn’t cost 2 silver like krait runes do though and a warrior can probably maintain 15+ without it. And without sigil of battle.
Necros and warriors all you need is a little thing called sigil of battle and sigil of strength. If you have that on a necro u can probably maintain like 10-15 stacks of might. Just a guess cuz idk.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Excellent work man its a lot closer than I thought to be honest if you added sigil of torment it could be slightly closer and break into the 5k DPS barrier. I’m just going to speculate on that for right now.
Where does axe fall into that?
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warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
well if the rotation is good you shouldn’t lose bleed stacks like i lost towards the end. I lost stacks mainly becasue I didn’t wait for Pin Down to cool down…
Notice the duration of that skill. You are also getting bleed on crit and fire field is a hybrid skill in that applies both physical and burning damage and the physical bart does crit as well as fan of fire and combustive shot.
its not just that though you miss out on might stacks which increase your damage.
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However condi users don’t camp swords and burning damage of longbow is a huge DPS increase in a proper condi build rotation.
I didn’t do any burning in my PvP test either. I kept both PvP and PvE consistent. The different between PvP and PvE results should have been proportional.
ya but never the less you should be doing burning damage with a condi build. Burning damage can tick as high as like 1k per tick depending on your condition damage and from my tersting it is possible to have perma burning on a target.. Those sigils do make a differnce too. If you are using sigils like that on the power build you should be using sigils like doom, smoldering, torment etc on the condition build and all other condition type sigils. If you used burning and like sigil of doom and sigil of torment on your condi build your numbers would be a lot closer.
You would be looking at like a 1k burning damage per sec and I think poisen will tick for like 200+ per sec Sigil of torment if the target is moving again however much that is.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
The power build out-dps’d the condi build by 29% who’s dps was actually nearly the same as what I got in PvP against the golem (only 3% off than vs alpha). No idea why power build came out to be THAT much more powerful in PvE than PvP…
ps: skill rotations used in both cases are the exact same ones I used in my hotm tests.
I agree with your math being right if you camped sword. However condi users don’t camp swords and burning damage of longbow is a huge DPS increase in a proper condi build rotation. So thats why it is so confusing to see that GS is that much higher. Because I watched your vid and I didn’t see you doing any burning damage and thats a big factor of condi war DPS. So I would honestly reccoment to you if you want a proper DPS test whenever your adrinaline is full you should be swaping to bow pressing F1 then #3 to stack might then #5 then #2 then swap.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Its pretty much just that as much defense as you can get, as much stability and stun breaks and condition removal. Its about just staying alive your job is not to do damage.
From a defensive standpoint mace shield is better than axe/shield if you trait reflect projectiles mace 2 will continue to block if ranged attack. That being said GS is also a good option for your second set because of WWA and the 3rd evade it gives you. means you can WWA through enemys etc.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
I’m not sure how great we can value tests being done in pvp, but one thing makes me curious nevertheless. How did you get lower dps on gs than on axe? That goes contrary to all my tests. And less than 4k dps seems weird anyway, considering I get about 8-10k in solo pve (depending on encounters armor and behaviour). We are getting about 6k dps against lupicus, a boss with 33% (?) damage reduction by armor.
Because the stat spread in PVP is lower than the Stat spread in PVE. You can get a lot more Critical damage and power in PVE than you can in PVP so that’s why his calculations show that conditions at least in PVP are better. So in those regards I believe his calculations and math is correct as far is what is achievable in heart of the mists.
As far as the GS and Axe debate I thought the GS being better was based on WWA hitting and being able to land all 100 Blades. Otherwise even so the differences were a lot smaller than that with the GS being better but not hugely better.
@ Darrox Only Axe 5 the spin skill is way better in PVP the other skills i believe are the same.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Clearly I am talking about bow 2… Fan of fire I edited my above post for clarity. I consider doing some analytical thinking before hating on me next time since bow 3 isnt 3 shots and bow 2 is you should of know that I made a mistake but i guess you didn’t really know any better. Don’t believe me go test it. See if you can hit more than 5 golems with it. And when I say theoretically doesn’t actually mean in practice it happens. After you test it to see I am right Id consider not posting yourself.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Btw you can also use sigil of doom and tromet in PVE. I use them on my condition build those 2 things pretty much set it over the top… When I swap to my bow and I proc doom and tormet the damage is crazy insane. And I actially think the Bow Burst skill at full adrenaline with torment proc is better than cleave of course because its 5 target not 3.
Bow 2 its 15 targets theoretically. Its 3 shots and each one of them can pierce.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
power war (axe)
– zerk
– 6/6/0/2/0 (V/X/XII-V/I/XIII-VI)
– strength/force sigils
– strength runes
power war (gs)
– zerk
– 6/6/0/0/2 (V/IX/XII-V/X/I-VI)
– strength/force sigils
– strength runes
That coincides with all the testing I have done as well. Please keep in mind that when the indestructible golem cycles from dead to alive it keeps the condition stacks on it.
However from my testing you can start a fight with Bow 5 then leap into the golem with a flurry allowing you to quickly ramp up bleed stacks from 0 to like 16+ and more if crits and bleed on proc occur its not impossible to burst to 20 stacks on a warrior. Yes half of those will fall off shortly but in reality half dont fall off because you build up more before the ones from flurry and bow 5 fall off.
You can also start with full adrenaline cast bow 5 then bow burst F1 and combo finisher leap into the field giving you fire aura which will grant you more might when a trash mob hits you and burn it. Then you can apply tormet. Then AA which does quite good damage.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Don’t use UF with that build use sigil of intelligence instead trust me when I say that it will be 100X better. How many hits can you get while something is stunned with a hammer? Or a shield? Think about the answer to the question 1st before thinking about how many crits sigil of intelligence gives on swap.
Not only that sigil of intelligence would grantee 3 things. when you swap to hammer.
The burst skill crits, back breaker crits, stagering blow crits. Thats all you need….
As far as final thrust that means you dont have to shield bash 1st you can just go final thrust and it will crit… Seems pretty simple.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
When i say pugs, i mean this is as in the worst possible pug i could come up with. I do say “zerk only p123” but i dont typically ask people to ping gear unless its blatantly obvious the run is much slower or harder than usual, or if i see like a rifle warr or staff guard or something. Those highly coordinated pugs are always awesome when they come up, but thats fairly rare and id much rather be finished with the dungeon than still waiting for one more zerker. Im looking for something that will get me through both the good and the bad end of the pug spectrum. The easier it is to play the better. Also if this helps my most common paths are AC123, CoF1, TAup/f, and CoE p123.
Worst possible pug group Phalanx str warrior running empower allies and banners.
Or a guardian running a support build. Please note that in the case of the guardian there will be less deaths but it will still be horrible kill speed. With the case of the warrior there may be more deaths but at least things may die faster so maybe less deaths too.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Losing dwa in your build isn’t probably a measurable loss, Because you are using GS and swapping. Your not really using axe long enough in your rotation to take advantage of it. you are probably doing #2 burst skill 1 chain then swapping. Your looking at maybe .1 second difference if even that since you are pressing so many skills and rotating. I wouldn’t even take DWA in a GS/AXE rotation its a waste. DWA makes since if you are camping axe or swords thats about it and it helps but it isnt huge and definatly helps less if you are swapping a lot to other weapons that DWA doesn’t effect.
You biggest nerf is the loss of slashing power in that build. Which again is probably really only big if you can land the entire 100 blades and hit WWA on all hits etc. Which really isn’t guaranteed to happen.
I’m not taking DWA, I took Deep Strike, because DWA turns out to be not as useful as Deep Strike. There however is one problem: it might allow you to add extra attacks into your axe half of the build, but then you’re really looking at very fine tuned rotations which I really question if human fingers can actually allow.
You have to assume they do in a initial calc-up, because otherwise it gets a bit too complicated for surface inspection. Would you mind just looking over my method and advice if it makes sense, because basically, the final number I arrived at kind of says theres barely any difference between this and the pure axe EA build in terms of DPS.
It probably would only allow for extra attacks in your axe rotation if your axe rotation were greater than 1. It’s been pretty much tested that the difference between a single axe chain with and without DWA < Than human error. It would help you if you plan on camping axe which you are not doing. Ya Deep strike way better for your build.
Lots of people disagree with me but I never assume that an average human being which isn’t necessarily as good as you. Can play as well as a machine or a computer that was programed to do the math that people come up with.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Losing dwa in your build isn’t probably a measurable loss, Because you are using GS and swapping. Your not really using axe long enough in your rotation to take advantage of it. you are probably doing #2 burst skill 1 chain then swapping. Your looking at maybe .1 second difference if even that since you are pressing so many skills and rotating. I wouldn’t even take DWA in a GS/AXE rotation its a waste. DWA makes since if you are camping axe or swords thats about it and it helps but it isnt huge and definatly helps less if you are swapping a lot to other weapons that DWA doesn’t effect.
You biggest nerf is the loss of slashing power in that build. Which again is probably really only big if you can land the entire 100 blades and hit WWA on all hits etc. Which really isn’t guaranteed to happen.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
examples such as the video i posted of a solo boss kill time on par with most peoples’ direct damage kills? and then there was the phalanx strength build which you could literally spend five minutes testing and see that the might stacking was balls to the wall insane.
but people are so resistant to change it takes them a while to accept it.
Cuz there is a attitude that zerker is the only way to play. people don’t like change and a lot of people don’t understand the game as much as they think they do.
There’s a lot of other people that just use builds that other people make for them, they don’t know how to build or play without someone telling them how to.
Lastly there’s a lot of people that comment about things they haven’t tried or tested they immediately dismiss something.
It’s partially because Anet made it this way. GW2 has one of the most shallow and linear character costumization systems I’ve seen in an AAA MMO, so barely anyone cares to think for new ideas because mostly, there is none.
Try Path of Exile if you want to see what real builds and customization is like :P
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Ya hes already looking at a big DPS loss since he wants to run empowered allies with weapon swapping. The points are just not there to do this man. However you can run 2 banners instead of 1 and maybe that will make up for it overall. I’ve looked at a lot of different builds and Its safe to say there is no such thing as huge differences between builds anymore and thats the truth.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Well you could always not take the vulnerability. And take signets instead. You lose out on the vuln but I think having a higher crit chance would be more dps than the 2-3 stacks of vuln you may proc. Who is to say that your party isnt already generating plenty of vuln.
Theres not much point to take 20 in discipline. With the crit damage nerf 1 point barely gives you much boost. There are no 20 point skills that will boost DPS of GS or Axe except axe mastery but in a rotation its not needed.
You may as well put 1 point in strength for reckless dodge then thats going to boost your DPS more. BTW are you factoring the damage of reckless dodge?
You know that reckless dodge can crit for like 5k and its aoe 5 enemy. ?
Edit: If you really wanted to take advantage of eviscerate burst mastery 7% + 3%= 10% to the burst skill…
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
examples such as the video i posted of a solo boss kill time on par with most peoples’ direct damage kills? and then there was the phalanx strength build which you could literally spend five minutes testing and see that the might stacking was balls to the wall insane.
but people are so resistant to change it takes them a while to accept it.
Cuz there is a attitude that zerker is the only way to play. people don’t like change and a lot of people don’t understand the game as much as they think they do.
There’s a lot of other people that just use builds that other people make for them, they don’t know how to build or play without someone telling them how to.
Lastly there’s a lot of people that comment about things they haven’t tried or tested they immediately dismiss something.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
My comment is basically play how you want as long as its effective.
You know enough about the game and how to play well enough without someone giving you a build and telling you how. So do what you want to do as long as you are having fun.
Its a pretty easy thing to test. Do and Eviscerate record how much damage it does. Then run the meta build record how much damage it does in rotation. Then calculate what % of that damage equals the damage that eviscerate does assuming you have the adrenaline to pull it off when ever its up and you have your answer.
Then take your build that does less DPS without eviscerate and add eviscerate to it. Then compare DPS to DPS.
Or… You can just go to heart of the mist kill the indestructible golem with the meta build then kill it with your build and see which one dies faster compare how fast they die. This is the simplest way.
Please note that your idea is based on the assumption that your adrenaline gain is high enough that you can eviscerate every 8-10 seconds or what ever it is. If that is not true your calculations are off. You can probably fix that by taking axe mastery instead of DOE or a trait like burst mastery or furious.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Cuz I just find it amusing that PVE people are now just catching on but I still don’t think a lot of people fully understand that condition builds are the new meta atleast for some classes and only solo.
@ firfox..you just max 2 stats. condition damage and duration..
1 of those 2 stats you get 40% from food.
With power builds you need traits like 10% damage those traits don’t boost condition damage so don’t use them.
Its not hard to figure out. Just pick a rune that has condition damage and condition duration get gear that has condition damage. Once you get these 2 stats decently high. traits almost do not matter as much as they do in power builds. Simply because there are not traits that say stuff like booosts condition damage by 15%
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
The problem with stuff like “just go rabid and run conditions if you can’t handle full zerk” is that:
1) The guys who would be running full zerk and tank traits (i.e. healshout warriors, AH guard, GS mesmer) etc. aren’t going to suddenly go “oh hey I have toughness now so I can go full DPS on everything else”, they’ll take the toughness and STILL take the tank traits. So you go from bad DPS to worse DPS.
2) The “conditions still tick when you dodge” thing isn’t wholly true because unless you’re way over the cap, you’re losing condition applications and thus not maintaining all your stacks. It may not happen immediately but you will lose conditions 2-3 seconds later and thus lose ticks. The two classes that can avoid this to an extent are engie and ele because they have very large bleed applications (Shrapnel Grenade and Eruption) that are gated by cooldown rather than how often you attack. The other two “heavy bleed” classes, the warrior and the necro, both have their bleed applications on their auto-attacks so the instant they stop auto-attacking, they start losing ticks.
That’s not to say conditions aren’t fun (sword warrior is actually pretty fun and although there’s no strict reason to take one, their bleed DPS actually puts them fairly close to raw axe DPS) but it’s probably not a solution for pug badness.
1) Except unlike power builds, A condi warrior can run shouts and still do good DPS…And the boon duration for more might stacking actually helps them more than it hurts them.
Tank traits? Conditions only need 2 things to work condition damage and condition duration, and minimal amounts of precision and thats only for proc on crit. All other points can basically be allocated anywhere a condi user wants…Condition builds are much much more flexible than power builds. And have a lot more give now that runes give so much condition duration. With the right rune and food your basically now set on your durations. So all you need is condition damage..1 stat. So unlike power builds condi builds do not have to sacrifice everything for damage. Becasue they don’t have to max 3 separate stats to work. And from that standpoint it makes them a lot stronger.
2)Conditions do stick on a mob when you dodge. I don’t think anyone thinks that they dont. You will lose conditions 2-3 seconds later? How long does it take to dodge..And even if you lose a stack or 2 you are still doing damage. Probably a lot of damage because most likely you not only have bleeding, but tormet and burning and maybe even poison as well all ticking on a mob…And in the case this is a warrior who can maintain 25 Stacks your still doing excellent damage even if 5 fall off.
Condition builds are pretty much great now because of one thing runes. Superior runes of the Krait? 45% bleeding duration. Take deep cuts you are almost capped. In fact you don’t even have to take deep cuts anymore. Runes + food + a sigil or no sigil you are basically at what warriors were capable of before the patch but without having to take traits. Which guess what opens up way more build options and flexibility Same goes for other classes..
After using power for so long I dont think I will ever go back to a power build while solo again. Its too good now.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
well he is talking about the 8 orb achievement which is harder. But rabid condition build is really a great build for solo PVE to tell you the truth. So I already had the gear anyways.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
By the sound of it its most likely this build. Its the warrior Pug carrier build. Except it uses a longbow so its most likely this trait setup. For faster swapping to stack might.
Change the banner utility to strength if another warrior is in the party. You can switch the grandmaster Tactics trait to banner regen or shout healing on the fly if that’s needed.
condis are also the way to get the 8 orb achievment as warrior.
Yes, I did 8 orbs with this build in rare condi with ascended berserker trinkets.
If someone is having trouble, either with normally or 8 orbs, get full exotic (CM, TA, HOTW & Arah vendors). Amulets & Accessories are super cheap on TP (amulet is ~2g, accessories at ~1.3g) but the ring is a little more expensive (~5g)
I do want to say that you really need that Energy sigil though, especially for 8 orbs.
Seems a little expensive just for one boss.
Its really not that bad. Look for KOSS armor in TP.
6g for full set of armor.
Rune of Krait X6 7 silver full set
252,000karma for full set of trinkets.
You can use the rare version embellished brilliant coral jewel in the trinket slots 78 silver.
Now you are fully geared out in exotics except for sigils for 7g…
The most expensive part is weapons….You could buy them with badges of honor in wvw for really cheap but I would highly advise not doing this…Becasue if you go the extra mile to put sigil of energy in them you cant use a black lion salvage kit and salvage them and sell the sigils back on the trading post to get your money back.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
BP works fine in PvP. Its actually a very well-designed trait:
I can find tons of people without really trying that will disagree and state that sitting on adrenaline play style is not well designed. BP doesn’t really work good in PVP it has less to do with the trait and more do do with 30 points in strength is too deep of an investment for PVP meta builds. And if they were to trait 30 into str they wouldn’t pick berserk power and would more likely pick burst precision. But no one is doing that because sigil of intelligence is too god.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Sitting on adrenaline is bad game design period. It rewards players for not using burst skills their class mechanic then penalizes them for doing so. Its just bad game design.
And if you PVE than thats how you play also without faster weapon swaps most of the time.
Making threads like this is pointless. I agree with most of what u are saying but then insert name here ______ PVE elitists come in here and try to tell you are bad and that you don’t know how to play when they play the most lazyest passive builds and all they do is kill AI and they think they are good.
Conclusions:
If you use burst skills like how warrior is supposed to be played berserks power and heightened focus are terrible traits. Regardless of a DPS nerf that DPS is only helpful to you if you don’t use burst skills. So no reason to get it if you plan on using them. In which case they only help you for the use of the burst skill most of the time.
Thats why no serious PVP builds use them.
so……..
If you want to use burst skills you are right in your assumption. And if you want to have a proper rotation and use eviscerate when ever its up your build is correct. If it is AM.. Put sigil of intelligence on the Axe set so you have 100% chance to crit on your bust and all is well.
Someone will come in here and say you dont know how to play you can safely ignore them. There is no point in going 4 in tactics unless u are in a group.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
I would gladly take a nerf to kill shot. Make kill shot just like sword 3 so it works as it does now but only if the target is below 50% HP. Then buff the AA and the rest of the skills so rifle becomes decent.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Just because you never seen something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It’s good to have skepticism about things in general. To your benefit it doesn’t mean somthing does exist.
However there is a big difference between
known unknowns= knowing you don’t know something
unknown knowns= not knowing something that is known.
unknown unknowns = not knowing anything about anything.
you op= not knowing something that is known.
There’s nothing else to say here and that pretty much sums it up. This is why I rarely post in dungeon forums because its full in 1 of these 3 categories.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
1. Theres no incentive that means anything to wvwvw players.
2. wvwvw is intended not to be balanced, but it’s now more unbalanced than ever before.
3. zerg mechanics coupled with downed state and aoe cap mechanics. 3 fold problem.
4. siege mastery has made it worst than ever.
5. Server stacking 3 quarters of the wvw popualtion is stacked on t1 and t2. And anything below t3 is basically a ghost town except during NA and even during NA there are no ques.
6. Stale mach ups that last forever because of 5. You may love your low pop servers but its part of the problem of not have great server rotations cuz there is no one to fight on your servers and servers with higher pops destroy you.
7. EOTM was a good idea if this game just came out que times were crazy on every server now it fills a void that no longer exists and just bleeds more casual players away from wvw.
8. Stale maps was it mentioned that the scenery is pretty old now and the tactics of using that terrain are well established.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Well the only reason to run a GS over a sword warhorn is it gives a little better mobility. It gives you an extra evade which is useful if done right. You miss out on the condition clearing with a traited warhorn though.
Flissy said u can do this with greens with this build. Flissy is pretty good though. I would try yellow to be on the safe side with yellow weapon sigils. should be able to get the job done.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Flissy is right. Its burning damage. endure pain will not help u. Zerkers stance is the one u wan’t. I would also be wondering if poison effects s7s heal rate.
I wonder is sigil of doom on both swaps + zerkers stance would get the job done for u.
I used radiation field asura racial when i did s7 it seemed to help alot.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Your build uses useless defensive traits and abilities and stats. Our condi build piles on more offense. Ours is better. Pretty straightforward and self-evident.
This is actually absurd. Any stats that effect physical damage are pretty much useless for conditions so I can say the same thing about your build that is pretty self evident….Condition removal is never useless and neither is healing for fights that its needed for. And in general the stat spread of ascended trinkets Dire+ apothecary is very nice and not at much of a penalty at all.
Anyone that thinks huge adrenaline gain and might up time, healing is useless on a condition build really has no idea what they are talking about.
But thats what condition builds are all about. U dont need 3 stats power or much precision on a condi build or crit damage. All you need is condition damage. So your ideas or way of thinking is pretty silly.
Sort of the whole point of Runes of Krait is you no longer have to take deep cuts.. You lose out on precise strikes, but I am fairly certain that the build makes up for that in other ways. That why those runes are way better for warrior condi builds than just about any other rune.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Ya aristocrat would be really strong with your build much better than undead…More might stacks would be more DPS than toughness to condition rune bonus. Nothing really boosts condition damage more than might does on a warrior….
My runes are only like 2s though…And the 6th bonus is actually useful.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
@ maha its not as simple as just waiting out a fire field and camping on a sword. Its about taking advantage of might stacking as well.
and if you watch the videos #1 and #2 which I did myself you’d see that i take full advantage of the might stacking without your build.
so what is your point?
The builds boon duration is longer and you can stack might more frequently. The build has better and higher might uptime. And no u didn’t lol the 1st time you swapped to bow u cast bow 3 before u casted F1…. I alos never saw u dropping ur banner in the fire fields.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
Warlord, could you post your DPS calculations and maybe even a video or two of solos using this 0-0-4-6-4 build? That way people reading could get a better idea of how it compares to other builds.
DPS, sure, is highly theoretical but is an easy starting point for discussions. While solo kill speed is less reliable because it is also reliant on player ability, it would enable others to also calculate DPS for your build using their own methods by seeing your general rotation and might/bleed/burn/torment/etc sustain.
I’m terrible at math. Id just suggest people try playing it to see how insane it is before being so kitten critical. It’s easy to just point at something and say it sucks without trying it. Or to be closed minded about something because their unwilling to be different.
@ maha its not as simple as just waiting out a fire field and camping on a sword. Its about taking advantage of might stacking as well.
“Just press 2 to win all the dps was us cuz we’re a
warrior and we’re the best class” Eugene
