Guild Wars 2

Few of us are experimenting with hybrid builds in PVE. Reason is since crit damage was nerfed so much and new runes make this type of build more viable in PVE.

Hybrid as in these builds do power and condi damage. They are not just condi builds.

Experment and try somthing. I doubt this kinda build will accepted by the general public because its situational. Its good for solo. It can work in only some partys. And it does’t work against some bosses who are immune to conditions.

This isn’t going to change until ANET changes that and changes how conditions work. They said they were going to do this but have yet to do it.

pupi.2465:

nvm, i think rending strikes worth more.

idk in pvp that all depends on how reliably you are procing it and how often and how many stacks. I like that trait when it procs though. Sometimes it will not reliably proc for me and when it does worst case scenario i get 1 stack. So i decided not to use it in PVP.

Juba.8406:

i love Sigil of Rage more than anything now, with little practice you can control it easily.

its now a stable sigil even on my “so serious roaming build” :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnclsCV1j9A

poor engi

Sounds fun…Isn’t there some runes that also give quickness.

Furious speed is Perma swiftness. Its a 10sec swiftness with a 10 sec ICD… I use furious speed in my skull crack build. Helps alot having perma swiftness in a fight either to chase down kiters or to run away.

Have a look at this thread. Read some of the other suggestions.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/WvW-Weapon-combos-that-work/first#post3994338

I used runes of strength with pure axe and I could maintain 23+ Might stacks with axes and weapon swaping. But I used sigil of battle as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TezLD5FvPfo

But yeah undead runes….Or use a different food.

IDK you may think I am an idiot by saying this. But take off deep cuts and do blade master instead. Since you are already getting 70%….And then use either undead runes with just how you have it. Or runes of Aristocracy and use sigil of stregth in your weapons to proc might. You should be able to maintain 20+ stacks of might that way.

Well my initial imput is condition duration is capped at 100.

You are using 6 str…30% Food 40%

for 70%

Then you have deep cuts 50%
Runes of krait 45%

You build has too much duration. So somethings should change. That is just my initial thing I see with it. It matters becasue you could shed some of that duration and replace it with more damage. I think if you want to keep it how it is you should use different condition runes.

Post the video. I’ve been experimenting with a hybrid build too and I think its really potentially viable in PVE from my testing but its not the same thing you are doing.

Make a DPS test or something show how fast it kills.

Leg specialist used to not have an ICD at the beginning of the game. If you were here back then sword also didn’t have cripple on the chain or cripple on the leep. You were probably here when they buffed sword and at the same time gave Leg specialist and ICD so it wouldn’t be overpowered with all of the cripple added to swords.

leg specialist is good and it isn’t good does that make since? It is good if you are trying to make a build that uses it and it can be useful. Its bad becasue it is a bit underwhelming now and not as strong as it used to be. AOE hammer shock immobilize anyone?

Onto mace OH.
For PVE the 4 stacks of vulnerability this weapon add Is good for PVE. The mace knockdown is situational at best and not useful on bosses. The mace knockdown also has an proportionately longer cool down than the hammer knockdown. So besides its range which makes it easyer/better at knocking down some players the frequency that you can knock down players is tooooo long for what it does. Where a hammer you can more frequently CC with that weapon. And imo frequency is more important of how often i can do something in a battle is going to help me more.

Looking at your weapon choices if you really want to go down this route.

I think Axe/Shield Sword/Mace is the better combo. Your weapon choices maybe would work in PVP hot join or maybe zerging in WvW. I don’t think its a strong WvW solo build and I absolutely don’t think its a strong pve build. Aside from the Axe/mace part that works fine in PVE but not with how you want to play or do your traits.

Dee Jay.2460:

bigmonto.4215:

The good players recognize the opponent’s build and devise counter. They “Spam” button at the right time, and uses position and environment to his/her advantage. This is all part of the game.

Except that part never happens.

You don’t “counter” a build, at least not in fight. Your chances of success are set before the encounter even begins.

I wouldn’t say never. Good players know how each profession mechanics work. Good players know what another profession is capable of doing and adjust accordingly. This is where things like dodging and positioning are way more important than anything else. Knowing a professions skill CD is also very important as you know what that player is capable of doing. For example If I seen a warrior already use his stances I pretty much know he has no immunity’s for at most 60 seconds. Etc.

If I see him using a stance berserkers stance or stability. I don’t want to blow all my big stuff I wan’t to wait untill it goes away… then I want to unload. things like that. Thats how you counter builds.

killahmayne is right.

you can do somthing like a

0/0/30/10/30 with power sword. Interestingly enough that is the same traits as
hambow that’s not a coincidence its just how warriors has been pigeon holded into a build because of nerfs.

I guess where u wrote ranger was just a mistake….Since the topic says warrior.

Gear
You want to go Rabid or Rampager for PVE

You can also mix some of this stuff with Carrion or zerker if your going for some kind of min/maxed hybrid power/condi build.

Runes you want Superior Rune of the Krait or Undead, undead may work better on a rabid build since you can convert more of your toughness to condition damage. Otherwise I think Krait is the better rune now. Since it provides 45% bleeding duration+Deep cuts you are looking at 95% Bleeding duration without food.

Trait wise.
Arms trait line is condition damage. Str is condition duration but going more than 10 points in str is a waste. Unless you are running Hybrid don’t put points here.

For PVE id recommend 30 in arms. Deep cuts, Sword trait, DWA

With pure condition spec like Rabid you do not benefit that much from traits like attack of opportunity 25 points in arms, or Duel wield mastery 10 points in str. Because those damage modifiers are for physical damage, and they do not increase condition damage. however if you are a hybrid type build you will benefit from them more becasue condition damage isn’t your only source of DPS.

For PVP you can get away with just 10 points in Arms for deep cuts. Then the rest you put in Defensive and Tactics for condition removal and sustain for heal shouting. Dire gear is best here, or Settlers, and Apothecary work well here for cheesy healing speced condition builds.

Tree.3916:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Why do you always capitalize NIKE’s name? Is it like a YAHWEH thing?

There is no other way to properly emote his jealousy.

I don’t envy people I dislike.

I experienced this bug from other immobilize and CC…It’s not a warrior skill specific bug. It can come from other professions who use CC also. Other bug Is when no skills work and weapon swapping is greyed out.

I want to try that lol sounds hard to land but very funny to land it and win. Evicerate then throw bolas then final thrust.

Been testing condi builds in general. Both Rabid and Rampager looks really decent now. Especially with runes of the krait. since the patch and they are for sure more viable now. Especially on Lupi solos.

Looks like if you are the only condi user in a party you can still contribute DPS decently.

people like shield because its superior to sword at blocking melee attacks in PVP. I mean it doesn’t stop blocking on a melee like sword does. Sword will instead block then try to return damage in the form of a bleed if in melee range. And since you are already in melee range since your trying to hit something with a sword. It makes a 3 sec block that doesn’t stop blocking better. The stun can be also somewhat more useful than torment when you are trying to melee by helping you keep the enemy from running, or to interrupt them. Like sword leap+shield stun to interrupt someone from stomping you team mate.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Why do you always capitalize NIKE’s name? Is it like a YAHWEH thing?

I don’t believe in either one of them so…maybe thats why.

wads.5730:

spoj.9672:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Precise Strikes is 33% chance to bleed for 3s. At roughly 50% crit chance this is equivalent to about half a tick of bleed per hit. Sword chain is 2 stacks of 8s bleed and the chain completes in 2.5s, which is about 6.4 stacks on average. So yeah, 6-7 stacks.

Next question please.

http://youtu.be/42YD0QBlQ0o

Bit more than 6-7 stacks.

he’s talking about without any +condi duration buffs

Whats worst? Not reading the thread? Or not knowing what your talking about. Even without any condi buffs, deep cuts alone you can stack more than that. Don’t try and defend him. And all he is refering too is a trait bleed on crit? Swords apply bleeding on hit and bow 5? flurry? sword block?

Both you and guang are either the smartest people on these forum or the dumbest people and its hard to tell which half the time. And your boths math is terrible.

The thread is clearly about condi war, and condi war can maintain 20+ stacks without food as I’ve showed in my vids and others also.

I read the same thing in NIKEs post 6-7 stacks thats maybe true with a GS and just procing that trait precise strikes with the 30% baseline duration from 6 points in str. But thats not at all what we are talking about here. LOL maybe if you got a lucky roll of dice and proced it a bunch of times while channeling 100 blades. Otherwise have no idea how you come to those conclusions.

I feel like the trait is too expensive for what it does thats the problem. Not that its a bad trait. Just a bad idea to put it as a grandmaster str trait and for it to be less good than a sigil, but only better if u factor in it doesn’t require a swap. Considering that it requires 30 points being better even if it doesn’t require a swap is really subjective.

I see what your saying you have a good point there.

Hmm I see what you are saying. My opinion you are benefiting more from 30 points in str than you are from burst precision.

Try 30 points in str with sigil of intelligence but instead of taking burst precession take berserkers power. Then tell me what u think.

charkin.2936:

Thanks for the response! So you have multiple builds viable for roaming or just general wvw?
I had been interested in Gs and axe/axe?

Yes..Off Hand axe isn’t as good as it looks on the tool tip though. Id stray away from it. Main hand axe is good though.

1. Better than necro
2. Yes (define alot) my definition of a lot is probably more than yours.
3. viable

There should be. Some of us were already rank 300 and stuff before weapon boxes were added to wxp level up rewards. We should be able to buy them for like 2000 badges or somthing. I am still wating for a zerker weapon box and have yet to see one.

cap is at 100… you could have 150 and vs targets with 0 its 100 vs targets with -50 its still 100. And this build won’t work if there is a necro or some other condi user in the party. Because as a condi warrior you need to own the bleeding stack pool or you are not contributing DPS.

Depends on the target. People see these 15k-20k kill shots in videos and think that it always does that. The targets that get hit for 20k don’t even have 20khp they have like 12k and 900 armor and are up leveled rangers.

might be ok if it shares the same adrenaline bar. we have been asking for just 2ndry bursts for mainhand for ages and it looks like its not going to happen. good idea though. too bad chances are what we would get if we got this would be useless.

If the amount of conditions that flew around wvw were less Hoelbrak would not be ideally better than str runes in this game mode. Scholar is absolute trash for warriors in PVP or wvw. Strength would be great for roaming if every other roamer that you ran into wasn’t a condi build.

Strength is just a solid rune for PVE and PVP. This Rune is pretty much the best rune out there… If you can afford them by all means use them. Contrary to what people say play how you want to play. Let the elitists argue over their percents of percents that the rest of us care less about.

Runes of the Pack have always been a decent rune. They are a lot better now that ruby orbs have been nerfed soo much. Now the differences between pack and ruby orbs is so small I think pack is better. I wouldn’t of said that before the crit damage nerf.

Ya armored attack is too good and when your already putting 20 points into Def 5 more points for so much more damage is a no brainer.

Trust me I don’t want to downplay Lupi solo. I am just saying that Lupi has timers and patterns. Lupi always does the same attacks. That doesn’t mean that Lupi is easy to solo because its not. But that is a lot different from Human controlled and unpredictable its also different than 5 separate damage sources and 5 separate unpredictable human controlled characters. The fact that you can solo lupi but probably couldn’t survive getting ganked by a couple players is pretty telling.

I don’t think a lupi solo is a good example of what the average PVE players abilities are. I don’t even think its a good example of what the average PVE contents difficulty is. That being said I know a lot of PVP players that are failure PVE players. Especially some WvW players who are total garbage in PVE. But I think some of that may have to simply not knowing the fights, and not knowing the mechanics of the bosses they fight or knowing the patterns and timers. Simply not knowing the content.

Where as with PVP you can know the content but there are a lot of variables that change all the time on the fly and you need to adjust to that PVE not so much so. Most of PVE except things like Lupi solo is a Face roll. PVP and wvw isn’t a face roll unless you opponents are out numbered or just bad.

Last thing that is also pretty telling about it all is trying to get PVE players into PVP or WvW. They simply don’t want to becasue they don’t want to be challenged on that level they just wan’t to peacefully grid for gold against enemys that have no chance in actually defeating them. Then when they go to PVP and get defeated they cant handle it.

Mirsa.1628:

Ascended armor is only worth the cost if you consistently play high level fractals. If that’s not the case, I strongly recommend you stick with exotic armor and focus on getting appropriate ascended trinkets and then weapons. Ascended armor is expensive to make and the stat gain is minimal. You actually gain more stats through infusions.

TL;DR – Berserker ascended armor only.

Yah please listen to this person. Unless you are runnng high level fractals the difference in stats is so tiny it is not worth it. Ascended trinkets on the other hand are much better than exotic trinkets for all types of game play.

Ya I agree with the above except PVE doens’t require as much skill like PVP does. You don’t just stack in PVP. You need to know alot more about game mechanics to be really good in PVP and be very good at controlling your character. You can just spam skills and expect to hit other players like you expect to hit MOBs. You also can’t just dodge and expect not to get hit somhow anyways like you do in PVE. Other players use alot more skills aginst you than mobs do. You are also comparing a real human being vs AI. Its a pretty big difference in skill cap.

I know its more involved then just stacking. And maybe you could compare stacking to zerging, But Zerging is a lot more about a group effort and less about a players individual skill or even build. A zerg build is just about heal shouting for a warrior and using a hammer. Hardly the pinnacle of player skill or abilities.

Larynx.2453:

Vanthian.9267:

Warlord.9074:

Wvw and pvp in general is about skill more than gear.

Not so true in Guild Wars 2…..

It is more profession/gear combo than skill.

There’s a reason people call it Build Wars.

Fair enough but in PVP your traits are your build rest is amulet…Doesn’t really make much difference if you are a bad, your build wont carry your lack of skill or overcome another players superior skill and tactics.

Wethospu.6437:

Just don’t dodge before 10 seconds or you won’t get extra bleed.

shadup wetsupoo go hang out with Guanglai Kangyi and debate with each other over which pretend differences are more pretend than the other.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Warlord.9074:

Going to play devils advocate here. If there are no other condition built classes in your party its going to be ok. If there are then its not going to be ok. When I say ok I mean it will work, I am not going to debate about how well it will work.

Condis are mainly a PVP thing for a warrior.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Not to mention warriors just aren’t that good at stacking conditions in general. Bleed is the only condition that gets up to a very high amount and warriors can get, like, 6-7 stacks tops. .

This is very disgustingly false. 6-7 stacks tops is extremely wrong and not even close.

Precise Strikes is 33% chance to bleed for 3s. At roughly 50% crit chance this is equivalent to about half a tick of bleed per hit. Sword chain is 2 stacks of 8s bleed and the chain completes in 2.5s, which is about 6.4 stacks on average. So yeah, 6-7 stacks.

Next question please.

Guanglai Kangyi You have no idea what you are talking about. Remember my DWA thread is no good thread? Turns out DWA is pretty good with swords. Much better than Axes. As you can stack bleeds faster. And with 105% bleeding duration without food I never saw bleeds stack so fast….
DPS Test 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEy4KhdGC5o
DPS Test 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kEmuQQpWY

right would be good to get another imput on that. You get 50% from deep cuts. 45% from runes of krait. And if the build is the same as my test build another 10% condi duration from 10 points in str. This caps you at 100% on your bleeding duration. 105%.

So your bleeds should be superior to anyone elses assuming your the only condi user in a party.

Don’t quote but I am fairly certain that your bleeding duration would over stack anyone elses bleeds they try to apply. A lesser bleed will not overstack a greater bleed. Wiki just says Currently no information on how stacks are dropped when extras occur. Id say anything is speculation at this point.

I never said I am recommending this, All I was saying is its not as bad as people said.

right just wanted to make it clear I don’t use this build, or do i ever plan on using it. I am not even saying its good. I just wanted to throw something out there for people to see that at least on this golem the DPS wasn’t as bad as people were saying it was.

I mean people were strait up trashing it saying that its not even good dps. It looked like decent DPS to me in all honestly at least comparing it to the pure axe build…..Like other people have said though there are a lot of issues with condis such as over stacking or peoples condis over righting yours. I think that its safe to say if you really wanted to play this style build in PVE it should work just fine as long as there are no other condi builds in the party.

And I do believe after testing this that DWA helps it a lot more than Axes.

As far as the ramp up thing if you can start off with bow #5 and strait to a flurry I think the ramp up will be very quick. I didn’t use that in my video.

Vanthian.9267:

Warlord.9074:

Wvw and pvp in general is about skill more than gear.

Not so true in Guild Wars 2…..

It is more profession/gear combo than skill.

welp considering SPVP all your gear is in your amulet I think your quite wrong. Also traits much more important. In how you have your traits. Rest is player skill. Gear means nothing in spvp, and pvp in general player skill and build as alot more important than gear. You can have all the gear and stats you want and simply get outplayed thats how it works.

Also besides that no one takes PVE people seriously speaking about pvp or wvw. Simply put pve builds don’t work. And players just don’t stand there and let you hit them.

Flissy.4093:

I don’t understand how people can justify 1.5k+ gold on a Legendary weapon, but complain about 70g BiS Solo/PUG runes or 30g BiS organised runes.

You can’t budget when it comes to stats. Buy full ascended, buy the best runes, buy the best sigils & buy the best consumables.

If you budget as a WvW roamer, you will get trounced. Why be in that boat for PvE?

lol not really. Wvw and pvp in general is about skill more than gear. While gear is important gear won’t carry a player in wvw like it carrys a player in PVE. When there are many examples of uplevels killing decked out 80s you will understand what I mean.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Flissy.4093:

It’s absolutely viable, but you’re definitely “!gimping” yourself for it.

what do you mean by Gimping?

How is he gimping himself in PVP? Were talking about real warrior skills and game play here not noobish pve facerolls.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

also another question, is it worth going sigil of generosity on then sheild instead of force?

no sigil of generosity outside of SPVP is absolutely not worth it its like 50-60 gold in PVE.

Sword/Shield for a power build is a must. + the shield stun will help you land sword #3.

Hey I saw some interest in warriors doing Condi in PVE. And while I can’t agree that this is better than a power based GS or Axe build in PVE. I wanted to show that a hybrid build is not as bad as people are saying it is. Edit: I do not play a condi war in PVE

Video here.
DPS Test 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kEmuQQpWY
DPS Test 2
Condi Fast Ramp Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEy4KhdGC5o

It’s kinda weird to be agreed with then disagreed with simply because so called other runes which have not been mentioned are better and scholar are not that expensive. That isn’t the point the point is if you can’t afford them since not everyone has a lot of gold rage are an alternative that works and isn’t that bad at all.

And krait are pretty awesome now.

Going to play devils advocate here. If there are no other condition built classes in your party its going to be ok. If there are then its not going to be ok. When I say ok I mean it will work, I am not going to debate about how well it will work.

Condis are mainly a PVP thing for a warrior.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Not to mention warriors just aren’t that good at stacking conditions in general. Bleed is the only condition that gets up to a very high amount and warriors can get, like, 6-7 stacks tops. .

This is very disgustingly false. 6-7 stacks tops is extremely wrong and not even close.

Power sword works fine it just takes a bit of finesse to land sword #3 sometimes. It can be unwieldy.