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I understand this is for you to get better, but i’m not seeing the point of not using elites, is it because the ele’s sucks? This isnt that good of a test of skill with out all skills being availble. And /bow for a thief….if you ever seen a thief coming then he is doing it wrong.

Faranox.4217:

Weapon X, please explain how you can hide in sPvP at all with text floating above your head? Why do you say Norns run slower? What makes you think the Norn animations are slower?
I find it very hard to believe ANet would have racial differences like that when race specific skills aren’t enabled in sPvP.

Goodandy summed it up for me….l2read dude. I’ve been playing a norn warr since beta and i can tell you there is a night and day differance between an Asura and a Norn.

Now this might not be the case for a caster but i would still think that anything that isnt insta cast will have a distinct animation and will be easily dodgable.

Well if it doesnt get changed, can we get a UI slot for weapons, armor, amulets, characters, and consumables. Or should i just go ahead and make macros to do it for me?

tOss.9024:

This sounds more like “I don’t want to do this, so no one else can,” issue than an actual balance issue to me. If a group is able to adapt to situations then it makes combat and the entire meta game more dynamic. Just because you don’t want to switch weapon or traits Shouldn’t mean others can’t. This isn’t creating some game Breaking imbalance. It may give some people a very small advantage, but nothing coordinated play can’t counter.

The hell it’s not. How’s is Char and Weapon swap not game breaking?
Just because you fill then need to min/max and micromanage doesnt mean it should be a requirment. And as of right now it is.

This crap is more about Rock/Paper/Scissors than it is about skill.

Why be good at one class, when you can be ok with 4 and just switch out when you get your kitten beat.

And if ANET and anyone else thinks this type of game play would work any any MLG circut they are dead wrong, it would be a complete joke.

I can here the commentators now
“ok, folks. Short commercial break while we wait for the team to switch to different chars because they werent prepared for the burst/condition/bunkers/roamers/CC/meatloaf…..o look now were back. Now it looks like they are changing the weapon sets around to better meet the situation, there should be some fighting real soon, ohh…the other team just got countered, here we go with another commercial break while that team switches to counter them.”

No it wouldnt, but if you roll a norn and decide @ level 50 you want to start spvp you will find it very hard to hide, run, land long animated hits. And then you will want to reroll to something smaller….like i did (but i was only level 35 in pve )

Its broken because of the hit box. Its the same across all races, but based off of the smallest one.

I rerolled a Asura Warr and after playing with it…i’m deleting my Norn, and i willl prolly never roll with norn again. If you are serious about tPvP then the only time i would play as a norn would be for a bunker class, since you want to be the most visiable..

There were multiple cases last night where i dropped 100b on people and they didnt even know what was going on. I was at keep and was masked by AoE’s and other players. Just like i explained in my OP.

/Nerf race size

I’ll agree on this as well, on my necro i run staff/sceptor/focus but i keep my inventory open to swap the focus for warhorn for swiftness and then swap back. Same on my Ele, and same on my warr….

I’ve got it down now, but it does suck to have to worry about this type of crap while there is enough going on in tPvP.

And it sucks when you get stuck in combat with the OH weapon you dont want

Well if you read the class description, it promises all the damage in the world..and i will fully admit that the first time i played the Ele in PVE i was having a blast…but now 100ish spvp and 90 tpvp games into the class….i just hop on one of my other 5 classes and run one of them.

Not saying i still dont try once every couple of days thinking i’m just doing it wrong

Pyrial.2917:

I can only speak from the perspective of Spvp, but I’ve played every profession for a good amount of time. Ele is hands down the most fun profession and, traited correctly, you should have an even shot at 1 v 1 against anyone.

Good thing all pvp is a bunch of 1v1’s…o wait

@DesertRose…isnt that part of the problem? He would want points into Earth, it gives +con damage and +tough. Both of which he would need, along with the +bleed traits.

I think he is saying more along the lines of the water tree, and possible arcane(ele attunment)

@ Op, i completly understand what you are going through…and it simpily doesnt work.
You will get blown up, or have to run away….either way your a liability and less help to the team.
Dead dps doesnt do any dps, as well as someone running away from a fight doesnt do any dps.

And as soon as someone see’s your a dps ele…your kitten is going to be on the Def. as a glass cannon.

Sorry to say, but if you want to play a pure dps, role a thief until they get nerfed.

Xriah.5743:

I’ve got over 200 hours, 98% of that on D/D, and I’m still discovering new combos. Yes, you can trigger Churning Earth and use Lightning Flash to get within range for big damage, but you can also trigger Churning Earth, hit Armor of Earth for stability regen and 3xMight, attune to water for regen, hit Frost Aura to slow anyone that hits you while giving you fury, then hit Lightning Flash to get you in range with another 3xMight to really hammer your opponent into a bad place. That’s 6 key presses in the span of channeling Churning Earth, but it hits like a monster truck and puts you in a great position.

And then, i’ll press #5 on my sheild warr and block it….or drop a well on you to strip your boons with my necro, or #5 short bow out with my thief, or thow down a sanctuary or a aegis with my guard, or RTL the kitten outta there with my Ele. Sorry, i dont play any other classes…

and it took all of 1 key press and no thought to block all your 45 sec c/d’s you just blew to try and get 8 stacks of bleeds and some cripple……..and i could just remove the cond. if i wanted to eat all that and then smash your face in.

I still get what you’re saying, but because you work twice as hard doesnt me you get paid twice as much.

@ Kyle, i completly agree.

@Num, i already do that. but you can only fake someone out so much if they know the class. If i were a Asura war they wouldnt be able to tell the differance in my #1 auto attack and my #5 smash your face in skill. But as of right now i am the most visable target on the battlefield with no clear advatages…kinda like kyle said.

I’m just saying, i’ve been playing a Norn Warr since launch and have pretty good situational awarness. And last night i was in a tourny, there was another warr on the other team, he was asura and i got dropped fighting at Keep, i didnt even know what hit me, i looked at the combat log and i ate a full 100b. i looked up to find the warr while i was down….sure enough he was hopping around like a god kitten bunny on meth. If we were to switch places, there is no way someone would have ate my 100b because they would see my big house sized kitten running to drop the bomb.

I’m not saying that in some random WvW situation where you get to fight someone 1v1 and you can pay attention to everything they are doing. I’m talking more about encounters where you have the element of suprise or a terrain advantage….its hard to hide a norn behind anything except a mountain.

Agreed, but being norn doesnt really help either…my hammer might as well have landing strip lights on it.

Warmage Timeraider.5861:

Meh, the above statement (the one about adjusting professiona) is something i hope they will change… Maybe i can live with teams switching professions between maps.. Maybe. (in my opinion you pick a eam and your stuck with it… No changing because some things work better on some maps then on other)..
Something that goes to far though is switching while in the games already.. Ow they dont have ant condition dmg, lets change to our bunker team. Ow, they have hose professions, lets counter them wih this..
Its ridicilous in my opinion… Why not yust give us a button which changes us to the profession most usefull at that time.
I say dont let people switch after they made the roster.. Make them pick characters which hey feel will do good in all maps instead of basing some tactics as bunkering, mesmer portals etc. On certain maps.

I completly agree!!!!!!! I have no idea why you can change once you are locked into the tourny. This is by far the first thing that shoud be changed about tPvP. And like someone else said…you have to adjust your team because the other team is doing it.

Then we will see who is better, when they have to pick a good comp and stick with it through 3 maps.

Just wondering if there is anyone that started out Norn and switch to a smalled race.
My Norn warr is my first char., but he is only level 35 and i’m wondering if i would have a easier time playing with him in tPvP/sPvP if he was a different race.

I am a giant and i believe its way easier to dodge my abilitys because of this, anyone else feel me?

People that like this style of pvp are in it for the glory…and i’m not talking about currency or rank. So if you dont take pride in winning, go play League of Panda’s.

lol, at the “hardcore” people that are constantly beating pugs in free tournys. Mad respect to the guys running sync premade Que’s.

My guild suffers from people with RL issues, so i normal only have 3 of us at any givin time to run with, so we are alway running with 2 pugs…now that kitten is competitive, its like going to a gun fight with a knife. Maybe one day we will switch to a more active guild.

@Sezu, I normally run with 2 other people on TS3, and we have 2 pugs. Maybe thats the root of my problem

And @ klinch, I personally play Ele, Necro, Thief, Warr. Those are just the classes i know. My other 2 buddies i play with can cover a few other classes. One plays Thiefs, Ranger, Mesmer and the other Plasy Guard, Mesmer, Necro, Engi.

We switch it up constantly, but in the end it comes down to us not having a full team.

We try to adjust out classes based on what we see when we join (not only the other teams comp, but our 2 pugs aswell.)

But to try and answer your question, if no one will answer you when you ask, try and look at the weapons they are using. If you know anything about the classes it might tell you alot, same with tageting them and looking for any buffs/signets.

Merciless.5349:

But is everybody alright with the fact that this type of forced environment basically decides half your team composition to have the best advantage?

If 1 team did not have a Mesmer with Portal, they are instantly at a disadvantage for the rest of the match. Sure, you can camp the other teams’ portal, or not even destroy the treb fully, but that feels like a waste of manpower and time.

And AOE Ele’s are the most efficient and safest builds to destroy the treb and get away safely. I think Necros can do it very good as well. Then there’s also that random Thief who camps your treb in Stealth mode as soon as he sees you approaching with a repair kit.

Some of you call it strategy, but to me, it feels forced upon the teams to have a Mesmer and a good Ele or Necro just to keep up and have an even playing field. Not to mention a bunker vs bunker Guardian or Engineer.

I agree 100%, if you dont have a mesmer and the other team does, 9 times out of 10 you will lose. There might be a exception for bad mesmers, but thats about it.

BigTeeHunter.4913:

^^ Smackjack.

If you are bunkering a point against 3 people (2 players + 1 treb) you shouldn’t expect to hold it for too long, wherein underlies a big problem that currently bunker builds (guardian especially) are too powerful, and as such when you get rooted and killed by a treb shot, you moan that 3 people killed you.

If you cannot count to 3, then dodge, then I’m not sure how far you are going to get in pvp. As a bunker guard myself, I would rather fight two good players and a treb, rather than 3 good players. Energy symbol on weapon swap and you can dodge indefinitely, two stun breakers incase they cc me on treb land, and an elite skill that lets me eat one treb without taking damage.

Treb is fine, and to be honest, almost overated. Only useful against a good team if you have good cooridination and timing.

So because a bunker Guardian can take treb hits and spec to avoid it its fine?
There is no flaw in your logic at all.

tluv.5821:

ACTUALLY, as far as I saw, he was using a bow when I died. But that was when I was downed. I couldn’t even get my number 2 skill off when I was downed, which is fear.

I hope they nerf the SB from stomping you out before your brain has time to send signals to your fingers.

well if you make it to the last round, you better have a mesmer on your team…or you lose. /balance

tluv.5821:

Thief killed me in less than 4 seconds. Had 26k hp. Imbolized, poisoned and bled me, all while being stealthed. I couldn’t even get one spell off. That is OPed.

Well this post sums it up, folks. ANET, please use this as a template to nerf the Thief. They have damage, imobilize, poisons, and bleeds. NERF THIS kitten NOW.

@QSpec, i agree.

I have yet to find a class that cant hard counter my thief. It all depends on the person controling the class. Its hard to say that one is easier to kill than the other, because everyone plays them differently. But when im in a hot join and some scrub just stands there….he is gonna be my primary target until he quits. nothing personal, but i would expect the same treatment.

And i completly agree that Backstab should not be hitting for 10k+, but its not back stab thats doing it. Its the signet+trait that are the real issue. and if they nerf the ability and not the utility….you will see a huge falling out. Both in PVE, PVP and WvW.

And why the hell was PW nerfed and not100b? (Yes, i play a warrior too, so my opinion is unbiased)

EnochDagor.6185:

We know ANet has statistical analysis on everything in the game. So, to stop the constant back and forth of Thieves/Warriors are OP vs. the L2P crowd….

How bout ANet share some data? For example, how often are thieves involved in a win in sPvP or tPvP? Warriors? How many thieves/warriors play sPvP or tPvP or WvW? Ooo, here’s an interesting one, of the winning WvW servers, how much of their WvW force is comprised of warrior or thief vs. the “losing” wvw servers? Do the “losing” servers field more elementalists or engineers?

Heck, for the sake of thieves, include Mesmers in the data.

If you make the data public, it will at least stop the constant chatter on the forums of “X is OP” and “No its not, L2P”.

I’ll say this much, as soon as a thief pops on an sPvP match and uses a backstab build, I leave. Just not fun playing against them. A 100b warrior, sure. A Mesmer with a gajillion illusions or whatever, no problem. A thief that can kill me before I know what happened… not fun. This is why thieves are an issue.

So now thiefs and warriors win WvW… kitten and to think i’ve been grinding glory.

@ EnochDagor, I’m not scared at all. I play a multiude of classes including the so called UP Ele D/D. What i’m defending is the class its self and what it is intended to do with the tools availble. the 150% signet is what needs the nerf, not Pistol whip(lol) or backstab.

and why do i need to provide a video, if this is so easy mode, how about you post a video of you stomping your way though some tPVP with a glass canon build. Hell do it with 5 thiefs since we are so easy mode, should be a face roll.

I’ll make a video of me going up against good players and show you how they counter the thief, and after playing one. I could prolly do it on any class.

rickshaw.5279:

Kintari.4172:

I could be wrong, but I think most people just dislike being globalled, or even close to it.

Which begs the question… what are people doing when thieves go stealth? Are you all just bending over or what?

I know when I face off against a thief and he goes stealth I dodge forward. Forcing him to turn around and reposition. More often then not this SIMPLE maneuver causes his CDs to go to waste and now I have the advantage.

OH NOES TEH THIEF WENT STELF I’S GONNA BACK PEDDLE NAO OH NOES I DIED GONNA WHINE ON TEH FORUMS NOW GG /logout

The backstab thief’s greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. He has to be stealthed. If you deny him that you win the match. The problem is people freeze up or they have the situational awareness of a lemming.

If everyone was this smart, no one would even bother with the class. Everyone would play mesmers and then this topic would majicly change to a “Nerf Mesmer Portals, they can teleport and i cant and it kills me in the face”

Mayama.1854:

Pirhana.8935:

Backstab should be the most damaging ability in the game but not what it is currently doing.

Why? Any reason beside “i want it that way”? Because of the skill involved using it? Their are elementalist and engi combos for example that do less damage and are way harder to pull of.

So because “you have to do it that way” “we have to do it that way to”?
you sound like a spoiled 3 year old brat that is upset that his older brother got some candy and you didnt. please keep your garbage post off of these forums. Or atleast try and be constructive when you post. kitten /p>

So the OP seen the thief coming and still got rolled. And he says he plays a thief but doesnt know how to counter them, weird. Must be an OP class and not a skill issue.

god forbid yall l2p. there are plenty of hard counters to a glass cannon thief. In tPvP i run into them all the time. Glass Cannon thiefs punish bad players, and thats why this thread is 7 pages long. The ones that know how to play are kicking kitten in tPvP and not crying on the forums.

We are laid back, easy going and full of S***.
We have a 35 man TS3, and only a few that currently use it.
We are trying to get a couple more good players for some tPVP. We currently have 3 that play tPVP mostly and we play a varity of classes.
And also trying to get a good force for some WvW.
The guild has been up and running since launch, so we have some good perks going.
(+5% kills exp, +10% Majic find, and alot of others.)

We are not structured by any means, so if your looking for a Military type outfit this isnt for you. Most of us exclusivly run sPVP.

Prefferable mature only, we have dirty mouths in TS3 and will not watch what we say.
If you are easily offened, again…this may not be for you.

If you are tired of Queing up solo, and would like to lose with others…give us a shot. Worst case, you /G quit…gg

PST for questions, concerns, and complaints.

**publik edumaction is your freind

In your post it says 3200-3800 power. Is that with the stacks of might up? Because on the crap calculater im using it only shows a base of around 2k for this build.

Not sure how bladetrail could hit this hard, but looking at the log, you got hit by it 3 times, you cant hit someone more than twice with it. And then from something called (Frappe massive)Massive Strike(google traslate ftw) is that a warrior ability in french?

Lucretius.8342:

First thing is, you need to start utilizing thumb buttons on your mouse. You really only need one. You can go out and buy one with 4 or you can buy a Naga with much more… unnecessary.

Thumb button = Program this to be Shift (this way the stretching on your left hand isn’t so hard)

Second, bring those Function keys down the numbers, using the modifier

Shift + 1 = Fire
Shift + 2 = etc…

With a flick of the thumb, your whole keyboard changes (if you set it up that way).

You sir are my hero…i have a g600 w/ 1 million buttons and i am still going to do this. since i have Autorun and push to talk bound to my mouse.

GenericName.5046:

you know poeple who play mezmers say they are UP as well, turns out they are just bad like 50% of everyone who plays a class, they also tend to whine more.

I fought an ele 2v1 and we could not kill the guy, he was very mobile and very good. i was with a random that he downed 3 times (that guy was horrible).

This is what it boils down to:
Good Players > bad Players

Likely most complaining on here are bad players that can’t admit it because of their fragile egos.

That is true, however. Good player on a ____ > good player on a Ele.

(please fill free to fill in the blank with class of choice…other than ele)

LOL, try to do that much damage @ Keep with everyone AoEing on the Node….
I’m sure you will kill everyone and walk away like a boss.

Nicomachiavelli.3046:

So what is all this talk of speccing totally 100% toughness/vitality? It doesn’t seem that the best people are really enjoying this sort of focus. In all honesty, I have fairly low sPvP HP (moderate toughness), but I don’t have a horrendous time surviving. I’m not even all that experienced at sPvP — I’ve done it for all of a day or two.

Go do some Tpvp and get focused by a good team about 8 hours a day for a week straight. Then come back with some more insite on this topic your self.
Words cannot explain how fast you will die or run away. Either way you wont be in the fight. I’ve been playing with different builds and team comps and i’ve had the most success with D/D and a Tough/Vit build….because i can stay and fight and not have to run away when (Insert any other class here) decides its time for me to die.

Taku.9351:

Weapon X.5163:

Freakiie.8940:

The rest, meh. You just gang up on people or run away, it’s pretty hard to judge what you’re doing wrong/right when you simply use superior numbers to win the rare fights you engage in.

I took this part to heart and i’ve been trying to work on not running away, but if i dont spec for full Tough\Vit i just get destoryed by anyone except full tank Guardians. So i guess thats kinda how D/D was ment to be played…..Evading.
I can run away like its nobodys buisness tho, lol

mm…. yup, i tried to go full toughness/vit with undead set to make up for condition damage..

trying out few new builds now to see if they could work

Yea, for some reason i’m allways thinking im doing something wrong or my build could be better or blah, blah, blah….i’m to stubborn to just give up on a class thats just sokittenfun to play. Even though i can get on my warrior and just destroy people.

Haha, well…i do feel kinda like Ninja Gaiden with D/D..

Freakiie.8940:

The rest, meh. You just gang up on people or run away, it’s pretty hard to judge what you’re doing wrong/right when you simply use superior numbers to win the rare fights you engage in.

I took this part to heart and i’ve been trying to work on not running away, but if i dont spec for full Tough\Vit i just get destoryed by anyone except full tank Guardians. So i guess thats kinda how D/D was ment to be played…..Evading.
I can run away like its nobodys buisness tho, lol

Prince what type of build are you using for Tourny’s where you dont have to run away when people sneeze on you? I run D/D mostly.

Nice video!

/15char lol

I’ve been playing the Ele alot in tourny’s. And it comes down to this:
I can do much more with a different class. Running away and trying not to die
is not all that great for team play. As soon as the other team see’s me i’m primary, and i cant blame them, they and i both know that i am the easiest to kill or they will make me run away. Either way i’m out of the fight.

Someone skilled enough to not die on a Ele would be 10x better playing any of the other classes. This is speaking from a 5v5 perspective not lol8v8.

lol….i can run threw you and you have to “turn” around to hit me with a skill/spell. This isnt wow, your spells dont hit no matter what.
And why dont you put something constructive i this thread Bishop? Instead of calling out the people that are trying to help the OP.

Hell i have a buddy that doesnt use the keyboard for movement at all, he has strafe bound to his mouse and his left hand\keyboard is for abilitys only.

I hear you, but this game is by far the simplist to key bind. In Rift i had like 25 or so. Hell just start by using A+D to strafe and start using the Right mouse button to turn. Once you get that down you can free up your mouse point a little more.

Thanks for the feedback.

I cannot solo anyone, i run a support build. If i wanted to kill solo i wouldnt be playing this class. I get blown up by rogue’s, i cannot go toe to toe with them.
Kinda of why im in sPvP and not WvW making the video. (It is sad to admit, but thats the way it is atm.)

I use the flaming speed to drop off of the ledge to LoS and apply burning, every time i was up at the CT i was fighting a Turtle Guardian, so i was just buying my time for back up.

And i do need to work on the Cone effects, i forget the range is less than other skills. Thanks for pointing that out.

And agreed, that team was bad, but it worked out for me.

Looks like you got the right idea, but you would get beat by someone of equal skill that doesnt “click”. I play the same class with D/D and i can tell first hand that your responce time is slower than mine.

I’m by no means “pro” and i need to work on my clutch switching, but you can watch this as an example. there is zero thought that goes into what buttons i press, its all muscle memory.

I hope this helps…just start out slow. Like using 1-5, then go from there.

Yea, youtube ate the other P’s. I recorded it in 720p. I’ll fix it this weekend when i have a little more time. Playing>Video Editing

(2 part, Sorry Fraps decided to make this 2 videos)

Trolls and critics welcome.

I just wanted to through this up, i solo joined(PUG’D) a tournament and just so happened to win. i fraps the 3rd round, and wanted some feed back and to just show how i play the D/D set.

I know i need to work on my Attun switching. I just bought a Logitech g600 yesterday and i have the attuns mapped to 4 of the 20 buttons on my mouse now.
That will come in time, but iskittenhard to clutch switch, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSupr3m3justic3?feature=watch