Guild Wars 2

Not sure why people are asking for a redesign, i dont find anything wrong with the state of the warrior. Its other classes that need to be brought in line. Like the thief’s burst+mobility+utility.

A good warrior can out play alot of classes and good players, but cant outplay an OK thief.

Thats where the problem is.

Tl;DR, OP has opionion’s about classes, and doesnt know much about most of them.

Using Frenzy was a gimmick joke anyways. If you tried to use it for more than Haste Staking anyways, you were a noob.

L2Build and Play and QQ moar

I’m guessing this is all kittening about Hot Joins? Because i dont have many problems playing on my warrior, in tournys.

Getting zerged down by 5-8 players in hot joins…..yea, you’re gonna have a bad day.

How about NO and NO.

We dont need to seperate anything. The Q’s are fine the way they are.
I’ve played like 50-75 games on the new map as a solo Q’er in the 2-Team Tourny
and i’ve won most of my games.

If you get good enough to play against a pre-made, deal with it.
Or if your to bad to ever face a pre-made, deal with it.

I’m tired of reading useless threads like this, when the devs time could be better spent on kitten like…….MORE GAME MODES AND MAPS>

News flash; Ele has always been crap when playing any build but 0/10/0/30/30.
You are working twice as hard for 1/2 the results.
And you can thank all the FOTM players out there for making it even harder to play a different build.

Oni.5429:

Bunker eles are atm absolutely insane and are more or less impossible to counter.

What do I mean with impossible to counter you might ask while raising the point that some ranger builds, a phantasmal build and one engi build could actually beat the bunker ele in 90 seconds

here is the deal: if a bunkerele pushes farpoint atm there is not a single viable counter to it once he gets the decap (and he will get a decap at some point in the game)
you can chase him off, sure, a mesmer and thief will easily force him to back off, double pistol engi can force him to leave after a while etc but here is the problem:

That ele never dies if he is half decent.

He’ll just escape away and either stand in the nearby vicinity of the point where nobody can catch and kill him or rotate back to mid and push far a the next given oppertunity, which is easy as hell considering rtl+blink.

Ele far gives an EXTREME amount of pressure, has absolutely NO form of punishment (as opposed to a dd damage ele, they DIE for the tradeoff of forcing two dpsers from mid to close+decap, the same applies to just about any class. This tankele is the only class that has almost no chance of dying) and is insanely easy to play. If the ele has the 50% hp armor of earth trait up there really is no effective way to spike him down (which would be the only way to kill him) because he’ll get protection that’ll block part of the thief burst, making the burst extremely easy to mist.

Bunker ele is absolutely kitten atm and dominates this meta to a disgusting degree. Anyone who disagrees has simply not played pvp at a decent level to discover this.

And anyone that complains about the ele has flat out never played one.

Ele is the only char i have to 80, and has got to be the least fun class to play in spvp.
You are pigeon holed into playing 30 water, and atleast 20 Arcane.
You are only going to beat bad players or glass cannons, everything else you will
run away from.

If you want to kitten about something, then kitten about ANET not giving options.

L2Necro

/15char

Eduardo.4675:

I know that already, ive apologized…

lol, i’m glad you got my back though…. :-)

Divinity.8041:

Narc has tried to help people a lot actually. I love when average players try to take on the top tier players on forums instead of in game where he would destroy you.

What you average folk (including myself) need to understand is that there is a reason these guys are better than you, they see issues that you guys can’t. Most are ex-WoW gladiators and understand game mechanics, not skills. Stop trying to troll clearly better players that have an understanding of what is actually wrong with this game.

Stop trying to get “face” via words on a forum vs a well respected player in GW2.

Your 1/2 right, they figured out the kittenty game mechanics and how to effectivly win at the “1” game mode in the game.

There will always be mega nerds that have no life and can spend countless hours playing and being better, no one is arguing that.

But to blame the players for ANET not delivering what they promised before the launch of the game….or course people are going to call this guy a tool and flame him all to hell.

Fix the game and the players will follow, or dont fix the game and the players will leave.

PVP is dead because of ANET focusing on making a PVE game.

Not because an elitist thinks that everyone sucks.

It must be so hard spending so much time being that good at 1 game mode, when the rest of the world doesnt give 2 kittens to even play the game, lol

It’s kinda like being 1st place in a game of solitaire.

Ele is not the strongest class in the game. It just so happens that the only game mode in this game is good for bunker builds+mobility.

Thet dont need to nerf or buff anything, they need to add more god kitten game modes. Let these kitten bunkers play domination and lets get some TDM going and lets see how many people use a lolEle…..

And yes, Ele is my main and the only lvl 80 i have.

Stop passing the blame onto class balance and pass it back to ANET to deliver a good PVP experience for all of us.

I’ll fully agree on this, there should be buff and reworks to current Traits and Skills, not nerfs to anything. This is hands down the hardest class to play with to achive the same results as a 2 button warr/thief. Ele is the only class i have to 80 and if anything else is nerfed without good reason or without something else being buffed in return, i will most likely quit this game like all of my friends already have.

They need to get thier priorities stright, like adding more F-ING content to PVP….no one cares about Dom game modes any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C Blair.7810:

AoE-heal / staff eles, you have my condolences. Might-stack eles, you can still scrape out something similar by going scepter/dagger (Earthquake, Churning Earth, Phoenix, Dragon’s Tooth whenever its blast finisher is actually added back in, Arcane Wave). I’m just thankful that I didn’t buy the order staff that I wanted before this patch.

Even when they fix Dragons tooth, you will still never see the blast go off inside the field. If the player doesnt move out of the field, thowing a DT in will for sure get him out of it

Rottaran Owain.6789:

The new patch changed a lot for the better, but there needs to be more work.

Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Roman’s didnt have other options, this is christmas time and there are alot of games coming out and alot of content for other MMO’s.

Blaine Tog.8304:

I agree with the above posts. Whether I stay with this game at all hinges on whether we get some honest, forthright communication about this gutting of the Elementalist’s one good Grandmaster Trait, because I scraped an entire fun playstyle together around it, in spite of the profession’s overall lack of power.

I didnt even use this trait in the latest build i was using, but i’ve used it alot and can understand the reason’s for changing the broken part, which was the blast firing off when the internal CD was active. I dont understand why they removed the blast all together and even more why Dragons tooth was changed, and now not having a blast finisher either……so you have to try and get your enemy to stay in the combo field and try and get them to not dodge DT……seems legit.

better to just reroll at this point, or stop playing. Might was the only thing making this class playable, and now you will struggle to get more that 6, unless you use Arcane blast.

miklo.3610:

EA was OP and it has been fixed. Stop complaining.

The bugged part of EA was OP, the skill its self should still have a blast finisher on a 10/sec CD per attunment. There is ZERO reason to take this “GRANDMASTER TRAIT” in a trait line that is some what manditory to put 30 points into, anyone thats ever played a staff ele would know that…so please go back to the thief forums.

All jokes aside, we are still useful to take down the treb……..

Suzu.4193:

20/325 spvp servers active

wait times for even free tourny

hour wait times for paid…….

if anet does nothing pvp part of gws 2 will be lost to WoW/halo4/CoD

hell most everyone already left

gg

You can thank COD:BO2 and Halo 4 for that. People that want to PVP are going find a way to kill people online…..with or without ANET’s help.

I wouldnt get used to this way of using Evasive Arcana. It is a bug and it will be fixed.
The spell and blast finisher are designed to be on the same C/D.

TWMagimay.9057:

Weapon X.5163:

TWMagimay.9057:

You should prolly make some more post flamming people that are trying to help, seems really helpful and makes the whole Ele community seem like super awesome people.

As you wish. Although I woudn’t take the opinion of smb who’d rate an entire community based on one person as very, ammm, legit. Or intelligent for that matter. I guess that’s what happens when you don’t leave the house at all… Although being on the internet doesn;t make much sense either, with all those hackers and stuff around…the whole community is so bad. And you are part of it…

Well atleast i derailed you and now you are on to more pressing things like personal attacks on internet forums. Well played, sir. Well played.

Well, since you decided to post YOUR OPINION on how leet you are and how nothing is wrong with the Ele, how about you put your money were your mouth is and show us some sPVP or tPVP videos of you wrecking people and not getting wrecked with your 5 points into water.

This should be a really good short film.

TWMagimay.9057:

You should prolly make some more post flamming people that are trying to help, seems really helpful and makes the whole Ele community seem like super awesome people.

Agreed, and just to add another 3 people that took a back seat to s/tpvp to focus on pve/WvW…until we get bored of that too….then i guess its off to the next big “game”.

good luck!!!!!!

TL:DR, we have the fun classes we need some rejects to play buncker and /faceroll C/D’s…and commit half of the time you dont work/school to losing.

Bleeds.4029:

@Weapon X – evasive arcana does the same thing with D/D that it does with a staff or any other weapon.

For example, in three moves I can heal myself three (technically four) times. One, swap to water (healing ripple heals you and nearby allies) and regen starts. Two, cast cleansing wave (heal and condition removal), Three, dodge one time (evasive arcana grants a second cleansing wave).

In four moves, I can add a fourth heal by using cone of cold. Doesn’t matter if I target something or not.

That’s a lot of healing in seconds.

Umm….ok. The OP is using D/D. So tell me how he would drop a water field again?
Hinse my question.

If he drops the 10 points from Arcana he loses 1 possible 2 might blast finishers while in fire and 1 1/4 second attune C/D. Thats it, unless he is specing into crit for the 25 point trait (Arcane Presision)….which i doubt.

Those 10 points would be better spent in water for cond. removal or earth for some type of passive damage redux. Or start using staff.

I’m tired of bads that cant read giving advise.

Just out of curiosity, why use evasive arcana with D/D? You only have a fire field, i know everyone praises up and down about that skill, but to me its only effective if you use Staff.

zombyturtle.5980:

Maybe my initial post isnt clear. I do NOT want elementalist to become a 1/2 attunement class nor do I want it to be easier to play.

I actually love the mechanics of attunement swapping and having so many skills at my disposal.

I just believe that originally the class was designed differently to the current outcome of the elementalist profession. I also thought that the great difference in concept design and outcome may explain why we have useless traits and skills.

I am quite happy with most features of my ele, I have my own issues about balance when they are directly compared to other classes but overall I find them a fun and interesting class and I hope they stay that way.

Same here, i want ;

A non-crap elite….i dont want a pet thats going to die from clusterbombs and i dont want a sword that makes my root abilities unusable and tornado is just bad unless your underwater…because thats happens all the time in tpvp

Creslin.1758:

Weapon X.5163:

Creslin.1758:

I dunno guys…I can’t really agree that Elementalists were over nerfed, or are underpowered or whatever. I don’t feel weak at all when I play in WvW.

If you don’t believe me, then watch some of these videos of me in WvW…I don’t see how this class can be considered “weak.”

http://www.youtube.com/user/Creslin321/videos?flow=grid&view=0

lol, all classes should be balanced around WvW……………

I’m not really sure what you mean by this…

It’s pretty common knowledge that “fair” fights in WvW are rare, but regardless, one elementalist that can take down 3 or 4 other players, some of which are level 80, should tell you something about the class balance.

My point is that if Ele were underpowered, I really don’t think that I would perform so well in WvW…or anywhere for that matter.

I mean, WvW is littered with bad players and anyone thats Lvl 80 and fully geared will have a field day in there. Its not hard to beat a Lvl 30 in leveling greens and 20 triat points…amiright?

The true test is Spvp and for the most part its not even fun on an Ele.
Not saying i dont bring mine in there, but when i start getting stomped by bads playing thiefs…i join them. I’ve played to many underpowered classes in other MMO’s to just “deal with it” on this one. you have to be a whooping Level 1 to get to the heart to pvp. There is no reason to not play multiple classes, and some of the classes(guard, thief, warr, Mes) are light years easier to play and it will show on the score board. (i said easier to play, not master)

but whateva….its all been said 10,000,000,000 times….just dont compare WvW to Spvp or Tpvp. They are not even close to being the same.

I play a warrior and a thief, and i have never seen my bladetrail hit like that. Lemme guess…you built a spec that exploits whatever bug causes this and are using to justify thief damage?

LOL

Please keep trying, ANET has already said they are happy with warriors.

Creslin.1758:

I dunno guys…I can’t really agree that Elementalists were over nerfed, or are underpowered or whatever. I don’t feel weak at all when I play in WvW.

If you don’t believe me, then watch some of these videos of me in WvW…I don’t see how this class can be considered “weak.”

http://www.youtube.com/user/Creslin321/videos?flow=grid&view=0

lol, all classes should be balanced around WvW……………

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104674&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA

I have a g600, same concept, better software.

I have my attunes, auto-run, and push to talk set to the mouse. I have a bunch of unused keys, but its best to work into these a little slowly. Alot of muscle memory to up to speed.

It was 7 hits, it bounces between players. No way to aviod it

I think movement speed has a cap…something like 33%. But i hear what your saying, with the windborne dagger….i never noticed a 15% increase with that trait.

On a real note….the damage is not that out of line. The real issue is the rendering issues with stealth. When you are fighting GOOD thiefs you will see them maybe twice in a fight.

Rendering takes longer than the debuff for restealthing.

We all know they are paper thin, but that doesnt matter if you cant see them.

“Dont nerf me, bro” Said the Thief.
“Thou shall be nerfed” Said the Dev.
“I will be warrior food” Said the Thief.
“You cant win ’’em all, bro” Said the Dev.

True story….

tl;dr….my mesmer has to keep repairing, because ele does damage.

Did i miss anything?

I see a bunch of, “Dont nerf me bro”.
Nerfing thief damage will not be the rise of more bunkers, it will be the rise of more classes being able to go DPS.
When we dont have to fear being bursted down in >3 sec. by a kitten player playing an OP class….thats when this game will start to shine.
And then all you other bad players that keep asking for stupid nerfs will find something new to complain about, and repeat the cycle of forum warrioring.

p.s. I play a thief along with 4 other classes.

Kousetsu.1627:

Grats, so now you have the build and the rotation. Good luck trying to pull it off vs a team that doesn’t have their heads up their kitten and focus you as soon as you appear in the fight. We need big damage and to be as slippery as a rat without any means of mitigating damage or excessive control like you saw with wow rogues

Dont forget all the stabilty thiefs have….o wait

Thief owns glass cannons and bads. Anyone that knows whats up counters them pretty easy. Because i play one, along with 5 other classes they are not hard to beat.
And i asked what class you played because it tells alot about your POV. BTW i feel your pain on the Necro, its a solid class but can get trianed by a good thief.

Tell us OP, what class do you play….i’m gonna guess Mesmer.

@Mammoth, Or you invite some of these tools to your 3 man group to form 5 and then they quit after you lose once. Just because there are people looking to join groups, doesnt mean they belong in them.

Not sure i get the title/body….are you saying you can roll Ele dps or not. Because your TL;DR is what everyone already knows…

hackks.3687:

last night was the first time since paid’s went live that I’ve seen any number of premades before the final round in free tourneys. last night was incessant though facing guild group after guild group after guild group, and primarily in the first round.

I was kinda curious as to why the sudden influx…

Yea, me and my 2 friends were wondering the same thing. We normaly only run with 3 and have 2 pugs. So the constant double guardian premades were pretty meh to have to deal with. I guess not all of these guys can cut it in Paid….

If you want objective based game play; then play tourny’s. If you cant handle those then maybe you should WvW, lol.

Weird, people dont want to waste time losing to triple bunker teams. Even though that does sound fun…..

This game already has no time invested crap in pvp…are yall really going to complain if a team that plays 10x more than you has 10 more points. Will the whinning ever stop /wrist

Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!