A lot of you complain about the “pufft” or "balloon"ing clothes, yet stop and think about the corresponding fashion time. The types of fashions worn in game are close to Victorian or slightly pre Victorian styles where there was that type of clothing.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
There is also the fact that at least 2 skins which are armor headpieces had to be designed to work with what are now outfits, the top hat and monocle. They do not match ANY armor set yet work perfectly with the tuxedo yet can not be worn together now. So that’s just one inconsistency with the system.
The monocle was never town clothes, it was always an armor piece (it dropped from the Aetherblade dungeon and I think the attack on LA, iirc).
The fact that the back piece for the armor can be shown while wearing an outfit, plus some of the outfit pieces can be turned off individually like the headpiece, shows that indeed these have to be coded as separate pieces, or else the toggle would hide the entire outfit.
The helm of outfits is designed to be able to turn off so it works properly in cutscenes (which automatically turn off your headgear).
To your first point, yes, it has always been armor, but was put in the game before the outfit system change. Name just one armor set that the monocle even matches. There isn’t one. It clearly was designed as a stylish look to go along with some of the formal outfits.
To the second point. Yes, but as already has been pointed out, most of the outfits were designed under the old system where they were 4 separate pieces. The fact that the helm can be toggled off also shows that outfits are not one single piece or else toggling it off would also toggle off the entire outfit itself.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Ok. Good luck in convincing the devs to redo the wardrobe, outfits and armor so they can be mixed and matched like you want.
Considering Anet has a good history of taking up player suggestions (which is what led to the changing of the town clothes system in the first place), there may be a good chance for it. Just as good as anything else.
And when you couple the fact that some of what are now armor pieces, such as the top hat and monocle, were clearly meant to be worn with what is now outfits, they may very well wish to tweak it slightly.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Your saying, as far as I can tell, that different headpiece could be used with the different outfits. However that does not show that the rest of the outfit is not one piece. It could be that it is 2 pieces, head and the rest of it. If so, that would be the only amount of mixing possible.
No, the outfits, which under the old system were town clothes, were I believe at least 4 pieces (not counting the weapon), boots, combined chest and gloves, leggings and gloves, and the head piece.
All I am saying is they could slightly tweak the system that instead of outfits being all one slot items now, they could separate them back. The outfit tab could show headpiece, chest, legs and boot slots. Even if they didn’t wish to allow outfit chest with armor leggings or vice versa, they could allow mix and matching of outfit chest and leggings and they could also allow you to wear either the armor head piece with the outfit chest and leggings or vice versa, which is what is doable already in GW1.
In Guild Wars 1 there were 2 pieces. Headpiece and the rest of it. Mixing the different headpiece with the different rest of the costume was the limit of the customization.
You really need better reading comprehension or are just trolling at this point. I never said there were more than 2 pieces to outfits in GW1. What I said was in GW1 you could wear the ARMOR headpiece and the OUTFIT body at the same time and vice versa. Since GW2 is on a modified GW1 engine, the capability should already be built in to allow this type of mix and matching. We already know the ability to mix and match OUTFIT chest and leggings exist in GW2 as it was doable in the old town clothes system. All they would have to do is divide them back into 4 pieces as they once were and people could then mix and match outfit pieces and be able to show the armor head piece with an outfit, such as guys wearing the top hat with the tuxedos, which is what the top hats were made to match in the first place.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
They could separate the outfit into individual pieces like they used to be..
Outfits were never separate skins in gw2. They have always been one style, completely covering everything else except backpieces. Unless you’re thinking of complete armor sets that were previously sold in the gem store, or town clothes – which to clarify, were not outfits.
I am aware of what it was like in gw1, and while I would like the change to happen, realistically I just don’t see it happening. Outfits and headpieces were two separate pieces of armor. Outfits in gw2 are one piece, and always have been. Yes, it is possible to hide the headpiece if there is one, but unless they have the manpower to change it (and we all know they’ve been working on HoT), I seriously doubt they’ll give it a second glance.
This is simply not true. They weren’t in as many pieces as what armor is, but they were certainly not one complete outfit headpiece to shoes.
As you can see here, I was wearing the sunglasses with the pirate outfit. Could not be done if it was all one outfit as you claim.
Outfits are not townsclothes. What you were wearing is townsclothes. What the gem store is selling now is outfits.
The townclothes were made with separate pieces, like armor, and like armor they could be mixed and matched. The outfits are not made to be mixed and matched. They are one piece that goes over your armor and the head part can be hidden.
Yes, and many of those town clothes are now outfits now aren’t they? The point is, they could refine the system further to make them back into separate pieces like they once were so people could mix and match. Even if they didn’t wish to allow mixing of armor and outfit pieces other than using outfit chest, leggings, gloves and boots with armor skins for the headpiece along with allowing the mix and match of separate outfit pieces, such as wearing the cargo shorts in place of the jungle explorer outfit pants, would allow much more player individuality and customizability. It would also be consistent with what has been around for years with GW1 so is in fact doable.
Guild Wars 1 costumes were only 2 pieces. The headpiece and the rest of it. There was no more mixing than that. You never could mix the pants of one with the shirt of another.
You seem to not want to understand. I never said mix and match the outfit pants and shirt with each other in GW1, I said you can mix the ARMOR headpiece with the OUTFIT body and vice versa.
In GW2 they originally had town clothes/outfits as 4 pieces, not counting the weapon. Headpiece, chest (combined with gloves), leggings and boots. When they changed the system they made some town clothes into outfits, such as the wintersday, Halloween, pirate, chef, etc. and made some into town clothes tonics. You could then mix and match different outfit chest and leggings in GW2 because I did it routinely when the cargo shorts came out.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Your saying, as far as I can tell, that different headpiece could be used with the different outfits. However that does not show that the rest of the outfit is not one piece. It could be that it is 2 pieces, head and the rest of it. If so, that would be the only amount of mixing possible.
No, the outfits, which under the old system were town clothes, were I believe at least 4 pieces (not counting the weapon), boots, combined chest and gloves, leggings and gloves, and the head piece.
All I am saying is they could slightly tweak the system that instead of outfits being all one slot items now, they could separate them back. The outfit tab could show headpiece, chest, legs and boot slots. Even if they didn’t wish to allow outfit chest with armor leggings or vice versa, they could allow mix and matching of outfit chest and leggings and they could also allow you to wear either the armor head piece with the outfit chest and leggings or vice versa, which is what is doable already in GW1.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
And I was already wondering why I could choose a new gender for my char with my Permanent Hairstyle Kit all of a sudden…
I didn’t see new hair styles though – even though I have to admit I didn’t pay much attention to that, since I was only changing between 2 hair styles to check which one would go better with the wedding outfit…
Does anyone have screens of the new hair styles?
I accidentally discovered that myself. I was playing around with my permanent hair kit and noticed I could toggle to male and chose to see if I could wear a male hair. To my surprise I was wearing a completely new hairstyle. I went searching for what caused it and sure enough, a thread on Reddit confirmed that was what the bug was. By the time I got back in game they already had disabled the hair kit for females (a friend of mine said his hair kit still works for his male characters) so I am stuck with a new, unobtainable, hair style for the time being.
They could separate the outfit into individual pieces like they used to be..
Outfits were never separate skins in gw2. They have always been one style, completely covering everything else except backpieces. Unless you’re thinking of complete armor sets that were previously sold in the gem store, or town clothes – which to clarify, were not outfits.
I am aware of what it was like in gw1, and while I would like the change to happen, realistically I just don’t see it happening. Outfits and headpieces were two separate pieces of armor. Outfits in gw2 are one piece, and always have been. Yes, it is possible to hide the headpiece if there is one, but unless they have the manpower to change it (and we all know they’ve been working on HoT), I seriously doubt they’ll give it a second glance.
This is simply not true. They weren’t in as many pieces as what armor is, but they were certainly not one complete outfit headpiece to shoes.
As you can see here, I was wearing the sunglasses with the pirate outfit. Could not be done if it was all one outfit as you claim.
Outfits are not townsclothes. What you were wearing is townsclothes. What the gem store is selling now is outfits.
The townclothes were made with separate pieces, like armor, and like armor they could be mixed and matched. The outfits are not made to be mixed and matched. They are one piece that goes over your armor and the head part can be hidden.
Yes, and many of those town clothes are now outfits now aren’t they? The point is, they could refine the system further to make them back into separate pieces like they once were so people could mix and match. Even if they didn’t wish to allow mixing of armor and outfit pieces other than using outfit chest, leggings, gloves and boots with armor skins for the headpiece along with allowing the mix and match of separate outfit pieces, such as wearing the cargo shorts in place of the jungle explorer outfit pants, would allow much more player individuality and customizability. It would also be consistent with what has been around for years with GW1 so is in fact doable.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
The idea of mixing and matching outfits may be great but the likelihood that they are going to revamp the wardrobe system so that the outfits have slots for the different pieces so they can be mixed and also go back and completely redo every single outfit they have made so far is unlikely, at best. It’s a great idea but it’s pie in the sky. It would be a lot of work.
Except it’s likely that each outfit already is coded for separate pieces. If not the newer ones, the older ones certainly are.
The OP’s post title says outfits, not town clothes and he mentions outfits in his post and wishes they could be mixed like town clothes so my post refers only to outfits.
The outfits look like one unit to me and since they are not made to be mixed and matched, it’s quite likely that they aren’t modular but one piece. At any rate, one piece or several, they aren’t designed to mix with units of a different piece. How, for example, would a Balthazar mix with a wedding dress? If the pieces are modular, one of the problems is where are the seams on each piece? Since they were not made to mix and match with other outfits then the seams could be placed wherever it is convenient for each piece, or no seams at all for in the case of the robes outfits. Seams being in different places for each piece means either massive clipping or large gaps between pieces.
Many of the outfits were around before the outfit change. http://i.imgur.com/NrvbRZW.jpg?1
As you can see, I used to wear the sunglasses, which are now armor skins, with the pirate outfit before the system change to outfits.
There is also the fact that at least 2 skins which are armor headpieces had to be designed to work with what are now outfits, the top hat and monocle. They do not match ANY armor set yet work perfectly with the tuxedo yet can not be worn together now. So that’s just one inconsistency with the system.
The fact that the back piece for the armor can be shown while wearing an outfit, plus some of the outfit pieces can be turned off individually like the headpiece, shows that indeed these have to be coded as separate pieces, or else the toggle would hide the entire outfit.
Now it may be a situation where if someone chooses to wear the body of the outfit that the leggings and chest piece have to be considered one piece for the outfit which means that the armor pieces for chest and leggings can not show at one time, but they already did that with GW1, and since GW2 is built on a modified GW1 engine, the capability should still be there.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
They could separate the outfit into individual pieces like they used to be..
Outfits were never separate skins in gw2. They have always been one style, completely covering everything else except backpieces. Unless you’re thinking of complete armor sets that were previously sold in the gem store, or town clothes – which to clarify, were not outfits.
I am aware of what it was like in gw1, and while I would like the change to happen, realistically I just don’t see it happening. Outfits and headpieces were two separate pieces of armor. Outfits in gw2 are one piece, and always have been. Yes, it is possible to hide the headpiece if there is one, but unless they have the manpower to change it (and we all know they’ve been working on HoT), I seriously doubt they’ll give it a second glance.
This is simply not true. They weren’t in as many pieces as what armor is, but they were certainly not one complete outfit headpiece to shoes.
They’ve stated that outfits are going to be found in the gem store, and new armors are going to be found in-game. With that being said I seriously doubt that they’re going to change outfits into armor skins.
As sad as it is, that’s their decision and we need to either decide to deal with it or leave it and move on. There’s nothing complaining will fix here.
They wouldn’t need to. They could separate the outfit into individual pieces like they used to be and on the outfit panel toggle which part of the outfit to display as well as on the armor panel which parts of the armor to display. That was the system in GW1.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
The idea of mixing and matching outfits may be great but the likelihood that they are going to revamp the wardrobe system so that the outfits have slots for the different pieces so they can be mixed and also go back and completely redo every single outfit they have made so far is unlikely, at best. It’s a great idea but it’s pie in the sky. It would be a lot of work.
Except it’s likely that each outfit already is coded for separate pieces. If not the newer ones, the older ones certainly are.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Remember back in the days when we buy a Gem store outfit, we could mix and match them with any clothes? Nowdays, it’s just one outfit.
We were never able to mix and match outfits. We, however were able to purchase a set of armor skins. The OP is saying about how now we can’t mix and match outfits, when they were never outfits in the first place, they were armor skins.
I’d say OP is talking about both armor skins and outfits.
While I may like the idea, I just don’t see the devs changing the system at all.
Actually we were. I often would wear different outfit pieces together. Mostly using sunglasses to replace the hat that came with the Pirate Outfit. You couldn’t show armor and outfit at the same time, but that ability should be easy enough to do as it’s been doable for years in GW1 and the game engine for GW2 is built on top of GW1’s.
And I could easily see them changing the system as there are obvious inconsistencies with it such as like not wearing the top hat and monocle with certain outfits because they are now armor skins when they were obviously made for each other.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
They’ve stated that outfits are going to be found in the gem store, and new armors are going to be found in-game. With that being said I seriously doubt that they’re going to change outfits into armor skins.
As sad as it is, that’s their decision and we need to either decide to deal with it or leave it and move on. There’s nothing complaining will fix here.
His whole point was about outfits, not armor skins.
And while I understand why Anet did what they did and do not think they tried to hurt the player base making the change, I believe they could implement a better system. Even in GW1 we could mix and match outfits with armors.
Let me give you an example. We have as armor skins a monocle and a top hat. Neither matches any armor set in the game. However, they would look wonderful with the tuxedo outfits. In fact one could argue that those skins were actually made for those outfits considering how well they match up.
Another good example would be able to wear the cargo shorts which are now a clothing tonic with the Jungle Explorer outfit to give a sort of Lara Croft style look.
I think it would be nice if outfit pieces were individual pieces like before and we could mix and match them with armors. Such as showing an armor headpiece with the legs and chest outfit pieces as one example. This was the way it was done in GW1, albeit in a more limited fashion as the outfits (called costumes there) were just 2 pieces. But you could wear the outfit headpiece with the armor look or vice versa.
I do think tweaking the system would enable the player base to enjoy outfits even more as well as allow more individual customization.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Guys! Some of you need to calm down. You’re overreacting and making false claims about alot of things.
Also this is not my personal agenda, and I did not, in any post, tell you what to think.
If this is how you guys react every time someone brings the subject up then you got a problem. And I recommend you work with it.
In my opening post I cleary suggest that Anet consider making future gear and outfits a little more gender neutral. Not removing the existing one. Appealing to a bigger audience.
This has been talked about many of times on other forums, but most of of the time people tend to stay away from speaking their opinions because of people like some of those trolls posting in this thread, calling names and making a big mess about it.
If you think it’s worth defending not having this option and are going to scream “femikitten” everytime someone brings the subject up, you might aswell keep quite in the first place. It’s not harder than that.
You aren’t talking about appealing to a bigger audience. You also aren’t talking about gender neutral clothing either. Your OP clearly states…
…For future creations I’d love to see some outfits or gear that fall under the “manly” cathegory and “womanly” one to be available by the opposite character gender.
very love! much marriage! such wow!
Men wearing dresses and women wearing men’s clothing is not “gender neutral”. The number of people an idea such as this would likely appeal to would be incredibly small and the likely fact is it would probably drive more people off the game than it would bring in because they wouldn’t want to see big burly Norn males dressed in frilly wedding dresses.
And no, the idea of cross dressing in game has NOT been brought up. Yes, the idea of gender neutral clothing has, but of course you are lying when you say that’s what your original post was about from what I just quoted you proves.
Here it is the devs made these incredible outfits that would appeal to the widest possible audience (and there is no way to please each and every individual) and these outlandish requests and complaints are just going to cause fewer and fewer nice options to be available in the future. It’s past the point of being tiresome to see people complain no matter what Anet does. They could literally give every single person 1000 gems and there would be complaint threads made about it accusing Anet of some sort of bias.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Heteronormative? It IS by definition normal to be hetero. As Hetero and people who are hetero are the vast majority. So yes, I am glad Anet doesn’t waste design resources making content to appease the literal 2%.
Well it wouldn’t even be 2%. Not everyone who is bisexual or homosexual is a crossdresser.
I have a lot of homosexual friends male and female. Many are married now and not a one of them is a cross dresser.
Talking about appeasing a tiny minority within a minority.
Moreover, an even smaller percentage are militant, push their agenda on everyone types, so I think that 2% is a very high percentage.
Anyways, not worth the resources to appease them.
Well 2% is just the number of people who are gay and lesbian. So I imagine it would be well under 1% who would even care. As you said, we are talking about tiny minority inside of a tiny minority.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Allow us to mail things more than about twice before getting suppressed. That’s a biggie for me.
It would be a big help of the suppression system worked differently when mailing to people on your friends and guild list. Odds are lower that mail to those people would be spam.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Heteronormative? It IS by definition normal to be hetero. As Hetero and people who are hetero are the vast majority. So yes, I am glad Anet doesn’t waste design resources making content to appease the literal 2%.
Well it wouldn’t even be 2%. Not everyone who is bisexual or homosexual is a crossdresser.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
This is a fantasy game world not a political medium to push agendas.
This is the new totalitarianism. Many people want to push their desires on everyone in EVERY aspect of life. To them a video game is indeed a political medium.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
2) If this outfit was ANYTHING except a wedding dress, there wouldn’t be a problem. The moment you throw marriage into the cogs, people will want justice and equality and feel-good feelings feeding into their non-white/cis/male agenda.
No, it’s not. There is already homosexual relationships in the game. But the problem is it won’t stop here. If this is put in then the OP will say “Well you’re discriminating against me by not allowing every article of clothing female characters can wear be worn by my male character”. The fact this issue is even brought up proves that would happen.
What’s next, people wanting to see their burly male norn characters in a bra and panty set? A lot of people would leave the game not because they are biased but because at that point it would look clownish with a lot of people running around dressed as silly as they can, and based on things from other games, you would have people dressing outlandishly just because they could. At that point any political point you want made would be lost.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Guys I dont have any characters that I made back in 2012. Iam saying I’am hoping I get a gift in November due to my “ACCOUNT” being 3 years old. My main is only 1 month old
I have no characters that are even 1 year old.
Except Birthday gifts are character bound, not account bound. Birthday gifts have been in the Guild Wars universe for over 10 years now so you knew that when you keep deleting your characters. You make the choices.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Stop putting yourself in a victim role.
If they made male characters able to wear dresses 90% of the community would complain, as opposed to the very small amount of people that complain now.
Just accept that the game is designed to cater the majority of the community, the majority that doesn’t wear clothes of the opposite sex
That’s exactly why we should question it in this game, jsut as much as in the real world. There are norms forcing people to wear something they actually don’t want to wear, just so they won’t get glared at. Or called things.
Remember that the gaming community aka. Nerds were once oppresed in a sense, I feel like it’s taken a wrong turn in that it is now discriminating others, and I want this to change.
I prefer to walk around in the buff, clothes are stuffy and annoying. But, I have to put clothes on or I get arrested. It’s oppression I tell you!
Not really the same. Both genders and all people have the standard applied equally: put on clothes. It’s not sexist in its approach. Telling each gender they must only wear X or Y however is sex discrimination, period. There’s no criteria besides what genitals you are born with.
Not that I’m concerned too much about this, but nevertheless what you posted is a false equivalence.
No, it’s not discrimination. It’s applying their limited resources to what society still deems as the norm even today.
If game developers were forced to make sure that every possible scenario was catered to in every possible situation, you would have no games. So no, applying their limited resources to what more than 99% of people like is not discriminating.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
You know guys you can disagree with the OP without personally insulting him/her right? I know it might sound like a complicated thing to do, but it actually isn’t.
Except when the OP comes out and calls this discrimination that points to him being ridiculousness. Really? Only allowing female game characters to wear wedding dresses which are traditionally for women is discrimination? What’s next, saying it’s discrimination that male characters can’t adjust their breast size because it really is just as much of a ridiculous argument.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
You’re so ignorant and attention-craving…
Stop complaining about issues that aren’t there.
Either deal with it, or move on with your life and find a game that does cater your needs.
After all, you aren’t forced to play this game.
People with an attitude like you shine a bad light on the LGBT community, or any “minority” for that sake.
Everything that isn’t exactly relative to your lifestyle is seen as discriminating and oppressive in your eyes, so you expect other people to go out of their own way, away from their own lifestyle, just so you don’t feel oppressed anymore.
If anyone is oppressing other people here, its you, and you make me feel not welcome in the “gw2 universe”
Actually I started this thread with a very laid back attitude in mind, you on the other hand had some rather rude things to say. If you feel like you’re unable to take part of a discussion you’re more than welcome to leave.
To shed some light on what I belive is your problem, since I get the feeling you think I’m some “attention craving LGBT person”. I’m not. I’m neither attention craving or LGBT. I’m just some dufe who feel like everyone should be able feel like this game speaks to an audience of 2015. Not 1850.
The point was to lift the subject.
I hate to break it to you, but even now in 2015 men and women still dress differently. Even in the LGBT community, most men dress as men and most women dress as women. Being LGB or T does not make you an automatic cross dresser.
What you are asking for is Anet to cater to every possible scenario in every possible situation. A tiny bit of common sense tells you that is not even possible in a game or the game would still be in development not celebrating it’s 3rd anniversary. It’s likely if games had to cater to every possible scenario you would see a lot less games because they wouldn’t be worth the expense of making.
The reason why men dress as men and women dress as women is because there’s a norm that dicates what you should wear. And no I only ask that there’s an option to dress your male character in clothes that some would think of as feminine, and the other way around. Simple as that, you make it harder than it needs to be.
Except it’s not that simple. It would take a lot of work. And they would have to do it with EVERYTHING in game. That means a lot less armor and outfits or a lot less game content getting released so they don’t, as you believe, “discriminate”.
And what you call a norm is also something that people want. Just because it’s a norm does not mean it can’t be done or there would be no such thing as cross dressers. Most women actually WANT to look like women and most men want to look like men. Gaming has to cater to the majority in things because of limited time and resources.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
You’re so ignorant and attention-craving…
Stop complaining about issues that aren’t there.
Either deal with it, or move on with your life and find a game that does cater your needs.
After all, you aren’t forced to play this game.
People with an attitude like you shine a bad light on the LGBT community, or any “minority” for that sake.
Everything that isn’t exactly relative to your lifestyle is seen as discriminating and oppressive in your eyes, so you expect other people to go out of their own way, away from their own lifestyle, just so you don’t feel oppressed anymore.
If anyone is oppressing other people here, its you, and you make me feel not welcome in the “gw2 universe”
Actually I started this thread with a very laid back attitude in mind, you on the other hand had some rather rude things to say. If you feel like you’re unable to take part of a discussion you’re more than welcome to leave.
To shed some light on what I belive is your problem, since I get the feeling you think I’m some “attention craving LGBT person”. I’m not. I’m neither attention craving or LGBT. I’m just some dufe who feel like everyone should be able feel like this game speaks to an audience of 2015. Not 1850.
The point was to lift the subject.
I hate to break it to you, but even now in 2015 men and women still dress differently. Even in the LGBT community, most men dress as men and most women dress as women. Being LGB or T does not make you an automatic cross dresser.
What you are asking for is Anet to cater to every possible scenario in every possible situation. A tiny bit of common sense tells you that is not even possible in a game or the game would still be in development not celebrating it’s 3rd anniversary. It’s likely if games had to cater to every possible scenario you would see a lot less games because they wouldn’t be worth the expense of making.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Except then people would complain that they couldn’t look how they wanted on the race they wanted. I mean when you have people trying to equate not being able to cross dress to being discriminated against then Anet is already in a no win position.
We’ll never make everyone happy, no. But there’s nothing wrong with coming out with outfits that might serve more than one purpose, right?
And just to be clear, I’m talking about outfits that all races can use, not just the race it’s based on. Any race and any gender.
((Also, I’d like to add in a suggestion of formal attire based on the Tengu. A bit of draped cloth, ornamental feathers, and plenty of large jewelry.))
And since you are requesting that they spend many times more time on every single outfit, how many outfits are you saying we should see LESS of or game content we don’t receive so they can spend time catering to less than 1% of the population?
The simple fact is this is not a case of discrimination like the OP is arguing it is. There is nothing wrong with Anet making it so women get women’s clothing and men get men’s and not taking time to make sure each race and each gender can wear each others.
At some points things get to a point of ridiculousness and this is one those things that has.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
You’re so ignorant and attention-craving…
Stop complaining about issues that aren’t there.
Either deal with it, or move on with your life and find a game that does cater your needs.
After all, you aren’t forced to play this game.
People with an attitude like you shine a bad light on the LGBT community, or any “minority” for that sake.
Everything that isn’t exactly relative to your lifestyle is seen as discriminating and oppressive in your eyes, so you expect other people to go out of their own way, away from their own lifestyle, just so you don’t feel oppressed anymore.
If anyone is oppressing other people here, its you, and you make me feel not welcome in the “gw2 universe”
Very well stated.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Stop putting yourself in a victim role.
If they made male characters able to wear dresses 90% of the community would complain, as opposed to the very small amount of people that complain now.
Just accept that the game is designed to cater the majority of the community, the majority that doesn’t wear clothes of the opposite sex
That’s exactly why we should question it in this game, jsut as much as in the real world. There are norms forcing people to wear something they actually don’t want to wear, just so they won’t get glared at. Or called things.
Remember that the gaming community aka. Nerds were once oppresed in a sense, I feel like it’s taken a wrong turn in that it is now discriminating others, and I want this to change.
Just because you can not cross dress in game does not mean you are being discriminated against.
It does not mean that people are being discriminated by intent. However there’s obvious reason to question the ideas and inspiration of the armour and outfits of each gender.
Extremely feminine gear that can not be worn by male characters and vice versa. Most of the gear styles of today’s games spring from rather outdated ideals of how women and men should look and what they should wear. More important, the fact that it suggests that a man that wants to wear women clothing can not do so, and the other way around.
By not allowing for cross-gender outfits or gear you further strengthen these ideals, and by doing so you start to discriminate people whether it’s intended or not.
I wanted to raise a debate about this because I feel like it’s an important issue. As I stated in anoher post I want everyone to feel welcome in the Gw2 universe, and that people should be able to relate to the game.
It’s not even unintentional discrimination. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but men and women are actually different. We have different bodies and different body chemistry’s. You not being able to wear a bra in a game is not discrimination it just means you don’t have the body parts a bra is made for (although it does seem more and more men these days could actually use one).
And because we have different body chemistry’s we think differently. That’s not a hard and fast rule, but is overall generally the case. This is a matter of style only, not one of any intentional or unintentional discrimination. If they made gender neutral outfits and armors for every thing you would have a lot fewer people playing the game.
I played sports back in high school. I didn’t pout because they didn’t make a “jock strap” for women.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Ahhhh! It all makes sense now! Thank you guys for clearing that up for me! Guess I’ll have to wait till November to get my Birthday gift.
The reason so many get a birthday gift today is because many made their characters on the pre launch day. On the 28th you will see even more get a birthday gift as that is the actual launch anniversary date. A lot of my characters will get birthday gifts today as I pre ordered my game and got in the 3 day headstart but many of my characters were created later on and they won’t receive theirs till their birthdays roll around.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
I think there is already WAY more sensitivity and inclusiveness in this game as it is. Certainly more than other online games out there have ever been. Give it a rest. Yes, they have made the clothing gender specific. No, they won’t nor should they change that. I’m getting REAL tired of every niche group expecting their niche wants and needs expressed in this game. ITS A GAME! Get over it already.
I swear to all things that are holy if the “free the nipple” crowd starts trying to seriously advocate that the female toons get to run around topless I’m going to lose my mind.
Just stop it.
You know you just likely created the desire in some to complain about this very thing. Let’s hope and pray Miley Cyrus doesn’t play GW2 or this WILL become an issue.
Sadly, yes, right after I posted it and re-read it. :/
I would have to say if I was a dev for Anet, or I guess any game company really since it’s not GW2 exclusive, there would be days like this I think I would just want to quit. No matter how nice a thing you make you will get complaints. At some point devs are going to say screw it and not make something because it won’t be worth the complaints about it and we will be out some amazing content because of it.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Oh, and before we start getting into things like gender, heteronorma-don’t really care anymore, we might want to start simpler, like getting Anet to design better face options for the humans/norn that might want to play a POC and not just a Caucasian with a really deep tan and an afro wig. Or even having less playboy model-esque body types.
Actually there are quite a few non Playboy-esque body types. More face options would be good, but I do believe they have released a few since the game was launched and may do more in the future like they do with hairstyles.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
I think there is already WAY more sensitivity and inclusiveness in this game as it is. Certainly more than other online games out there have ever been. Give it a rest. Yes, they have made the clothing gender specific. No, they won’t nor should they change that. I’m getting REAL tired of every niche group expecting their niche wants and needs expressed in this game. ITS A GAME! Get over it already.
I swear to all things that are holy if the “free the nipple” crowd starts trying to seriously advocate that the female toons get to run around topless I’m going to lose my mind.
Just stop it.
You know you just likely created the desire in some to complain about this very thing. Let’s hope and pray Miley Cyrus doesn’t play GW2 or this WILL become an issue.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
The gift is a BIRTHDAY gift, not a game anniversary gift. Your own post says you created your character in November. Is it November yet? No. So no matter how much you have played your character, you still won’t get a birthday gift before that characters birthday.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Same sex weddings don’t imply cross-gender-stereotypical clothing.
However, in this situation, it’s a question of resources, not intent: looks that can be worn by both genders require twice as many resources to set up (not to mention some effort to figure out the user interface: do you sell two different outfits? do you create new toggle for the one outfit?) and wouldn’t have twice the appeal, i.e. ANet isn’t likely to sell twice as many outfits (if they ‘unlock’ the stereotypical models for each gender) as they do now.
Thus, the effort far exceeds the value to the community (or at least as it exists in 2015). Since ANet is in business to make money and not to bend people’s minds, I don’t see it likely that this sort of thing will get a lot of attention.
Well, that MIGHT depend on how they do it.
Let’s say they make race-inspired formal clothes. The charr outfit could look the same on male and female, and be more masculine in nature. No skirts, just good sharp lines and a functional design, including pants. The sylvari outfits, however, might be flowing and flowery on both genders, even though this is a bit more “feminine” seeming it would still fit. The norn outfit could be kilt-based, which creates a “masculine skirt” profile for both genders. I’m not sure what the asuran outfit would look like, and we’ve already got a couple based on humans.
If they took this approach, then I think people would buy them and be happy with them because they’re very fitting to the game lore.
Except then people would complain that they couldn’t look how they wanted on the race they wanted. I mean when you have people trying to equate not being able to cross dress to being discriminated against then Anet is already in a no win position.
Simple fact is Anet could have come out and given everyone 1000 gems and there would be people making threads complaining about it. At some point game makers are going to just say it isn’t worth the time and effort and not even create content because so many people choose to be unhappy and try to act they are being victimized because they didn’t get exactly what they want.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Stop putting yourself in a victim role.
If they made male characters able to wear dresses 90% of the community would complain, as opposed to the very small amount of people that complain now.
Just accept that the game is designed to cater the majority of the community, the majority that doesn’t wear clothes of the opposite sex
That’s exactly why we should question it in this game, jsut as much as in the real world. There are norms forcing people to wear something they actually don’t want to wear, just so they won’t get glared at. Or called things.
Remember that the gaming community aka. Nerds were once oppresed in a sense, I feel like it’s taken a wrong turn in that it is now discriminating others, and I want this to change.
Just because you can not cross dress in game does not mean you are being discriminated against.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
While I understand with the sentiment, I can’t agree with the suggestion that ANet don’t acknowledge same sex marriage. There are numerous same sex relationships in GW2 one of which consists of two very prominent characters (Marjory and Kasmeer). GW2 has more same sex relationships than just about any other game I know so I am just pleased that they as developers are doing something about it in general where other game developers shy away from it entirely.
Exactly, Anet has already taken the first steps in the right direction! They jsut need to keep moving!
What about women who don’t like that style of wedding dress? The train is too long… etc.
What about guys who wear a bowtie?
Seriously you ask for too much. There are tons of outfits, transmutations and etc. If you don’t like this one outfit make a different one.
I want balthazaars outfit but with a different helmet. Will anet cater to me?
Taste of style and equality ais not the same thing mate! Just a heads up!
Except this is a matter of style and not equality. The simple fact is if they catered to this they would do many times more work per outfit which results in a lot less outfits and less game content.
Not everything points to inequality. I guess next you will want to wear the underwear of the other gender when you have your clothes off?
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Can’t even launch a valid complaint against overpriced items in the gem store without people coming out of nowhere to defend it wildly. What a sad state of affairs.
Except there is no valid complaint here. For one thing, an outfit is not mandatory to play the game. No achievement points or content will be blocked to you if you don’t have it.
And unlike other outfits, there are actually more versions of this one. That meant more work went into it. Are you saying in life you do more work for people for free?
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
So don’t buy it. Unlike other games cash shops, GW2’s cash shop has nothing in it that affects gameplay. Not having the wedding outfit will in no way affect your ability to play every bit of the game as well as anyone else. It’s just a cosmetic item.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
The high-low may be fashionable but it looks like an accident right before the wedding involving a 3 year old and a pair of scissors, that’s trying to pass itself off as intentional. :P
Ok if that’s your opinion don’t buy it. Guess what, they don’t have to get yours, or mine, approval before making another outfit.
But my point has been for those trashing it, it’s still a REALISTIC and popular real life style of wedding dress. It’s also the style that allows the garter to be seen and the garter is a traditional part of the wedding gown.
Rather ironic many of the same people complaining about the wedding dress are also the ones who complain about “unrealistic” armors, yet the wedding dress could be lifted from any real life bridal shop today.
Lol. You’re being very busy defending this outfit. Is there a kickback in it for you that you need to respond to posts that don’t heap praise on it? I don’t like every races’s version of it and I have just as much right to comment on it as you to to say you like it, but overenthusiastic defense is unnecessary.
I just don’t like misinformation. There’s already one thread bashing the garter saying it’s misrepresented yet provides a link that defeats her own argument.
Besides, you seem very interested in trashing the outfit. Do you really not want anyone to have the option to buy it?
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
The high-low may be fashionable but it looks like an accident right before the wedding involving a 3 year old and a pair of scissors, that’s trying to pass itself off as intentional. :P
Ok if that’s your opinion don’t buy it. Guess what, they don’t have to get yours, or mine, approval before making another outfit.
But my point has been for those trashing it, it’s still a REALISTIC and popular real life style of wedding dress. It’s also the style that allows the garter to be seen and the garter is a traditional part of the wedding gown.
Rather ironic many of the same people complaining about the wedding dress are also the ones who complain about “unrealistic” armors, yet the wedding dress could be lifted from any real life bridal shop today.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
Would love to see them too, but I think those were removed from the data files along with the School outfit. Not sure why none of those three every made it to the gem store.
Jaina Kitten, Level 80 Elementalist, Main
Yak’s Bend – Expletus
