Guild Wars 2

I can’t believe people that play to attain the points to get to T1 and when they get there they say, “points don’t mean anything we’re here for the fights!”

EasymodeX.4062:

What this game really needs is a website output that displays points acquired per player, points acquired per guild, points per death, kills per death.

Then we could have a hell of a lot of fun comparing IRS.

But then this game would have to have points …

That’s just crazy talk. Do you know how many times I ran in to certain death just because I could. Obviously the person that doesn’t get killed is the better winner here right?! Har har…

Jahn.7019:

All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.

Obviously, they’re great!

Hoots.9564:

neogico.3298:

I’m so sick of it, I’m sick of T1, I’m sick of JQs mentality, I’m sick of how broken everything really is. Are you guys not tired of how bad T1 has actually become? Can you not see how bored everyone is getting? Noones even posting on the forums anymore, we are all so bored, noone cares to fight for anything for that matter. I’m sick of even attempting to look for small scale fights as no matter what you do, how much you bow, wave etc.. attempt to get a duel or an even fight against JQ you will ALWAYS i mean ALWAYS end up outmanned 3to1 at least. If you somehow have found yourself in a fair fight, expect to get run over at the end of it. The word sportsmanship has been erased from a JQ’s vocabulary. I miss Blackgate and SBI they had some roamers that would wave and cheer and ENJOY the game with you and want to have a fun, fair, fight.
But I have a dream. A plea. A wish. Please for the love of competetive tiers. Something needs to happen. Ideally SoR and SoS merged and Kaineng and Blackgate merge so you end up with 3 stacked servers instead of 1. Then TC would get a break as well and have much better fights against servers like FA. I envy Borlis Pass, NSP and Anvil Rock so much and that’s what every tier should be like.
And this goes to all players in wvw: Please be more fair. If someone is duelling someone else, dont jump in, if a small op is fighting another, same thing, just watch it and walk away… I know this is probably impossible, but attempt to keep it fair for the good of the game and the fun factor. Ganking is and has never been good for a pvp community in all games.

Honestly there is no need for servers merging, SoR,SoS,BG,KG, and TC are all balanced servers for the state of the game atm, all of those matches are close, and if for some reason they are not close I can guarantee that the fights make up for that. The only problem with WvW atm is HOD 3.0(JQ), If your able to seal the deal by monday night in T1, then you should already know that there is a balance issue. At this point its just a waiting game. JQ will eventually shed some of those numbers and then they can be considered an enjoyable fight, but as of right now they are just a PPT server looking only to defend what they have and take as much ppt as possible. Its a shame really cause JQ used to brawl with anybody like nobody’s business when I played with them

But, but, I thought the weekends were when everything is equal?!

Lol, “when I played with them”…“when we were there”… Ugh guys. Servers change, people change. We still brawl quite well, we still have many small guilds that go to WvW, we still fight open field, and yes (as weird as it is) we still like the ppt. The ppt is what’s kept us in T1.

neogico.3298:

I’m so sick of it, I’m sick of T1, I’m sick of JQs mentality, I’m sick of how broken everything really is. Are you guys not tired of how bad T1 has actually become? Can you not see how bored everyone is getting? Noones even posting on the forums anymore, we are all so bored, noone cares to fight for anything for that matter. I’m sick of even attempting to look for small scale fights as no matter what you do, how much you bow, wave etc.. attempt to get a duel or an even fight against JQ you will ALWAYS i mean ALWAYS end up outmanned 3to1 at least. If you somehow have found yourself in a fair fight, expect to get run over at the end of it. The word sportsmanship has been erased from a JQ’s vocabulary. I miss Blackgate and SBI they had some roamers that would wave and cheer and ENJOY the game with you and want to have a fun, fair, fight.
But I have a dream. A plea. A wish. Please for the love of competetive tiers. Something needs to happen. Ideally SoR and SoS merged and Kaineng and Blackgate merge so you end up with 3 stacked servers instead of 1. Then TC would get a break as well and have much better fights against servers like FA. I envy Borlis Pass, NSP and Anvil Rock so much and that’s what every tier should be like.
And this goes to all players in wvw: Please be more fair. If someone is duelling someone else, dont jump in, if a small op is fighting another, same thing, just watch it and walk away… I know this is probably impossible, but attempt to keep it fair for the good of the game and the fun factor. Ganking is and has never been good for a pvp community in all games.

You go out to a WvW zone, you must expect to be killed. If it is different than revel in your glory.

I farmed a gold node with a SoR guy once, then his buddies came and killed me. He cried. I was sad.

covenn.7165:

You were hovering around 300 or above all night, we were just below you in points, and SoS was a no show for most of the evening. There were times something would get taken and the points would change and scores would go up and down. Did I see 320 before I logged? Yes. Were we at 320 all night, not even remotely close… never claimed it.

Why is this such a matter of contention with you anyways? You win on points and are always going to win on points until some of your over night / day guilds get bored and seek challenges elsewhere. No point in posturing or bragging about it.

Sure there is when you are trying to say that you’re kings of NA. We hit 400 points in NA prime-time. Your guild was defending Bay and unable to successfully take anything else. Your farming was minimalised by PuGs. How does this make you feel? I mean since you are king’s of primetime!

covenn.7165:

Wotah.2975:

Yeah we got farmed last night big time congrats on that. That 400 tick meant nothing.

Scoreboard posturing, really? Ok, congrats on leaving fights against actual people to look for uncontested objectives. You win. Personally, I play this game for the fights against players, but to each their own. (oh and you weren’t ticking away at 400 when most of us were online, when I logged we were at 320)

Did you log at like 8est? We were over 320 at that time, and made it to 400 around 10-11pm.

TW/TWL was hold up in Bay and with Choo made several unsuccessful attempts at Garrison, NW tower, NE Tower. I think they did finally take Hills from SoS who basically wasn’t on the map.

covenn.7165:

Actually, it is still “JQ gets rolled NA prime time” judging by the silly amount of farming that was done. I just wish some of your larger guilds would stay in the map and fight instead of looking for an easier challenge in another borderland. EMP leaving the zone after a wipe or two is starting to get old.

Yeah we got farmed last night big time congrats on that. That 400 tick meant nothing.

I guess I shouldn’t tell you guys about the side of that same hill, or about the fact that Lowlands has the exact same thing on its North face. Sshhhh.

covenn.7165:

Really? I thought we were in T2 a little longer than that. I say we because I was on JQ then.

Yes, really.

covenn.7165:

…. No real anger or frustration by anyone that has been on SoR for a while either. It is pointless getting upset about that which you cannot control.

Oh well that’s good, at least we have an understanding now. I couldn’t tell that from any of the 30 posts you’ve put into this thread so far.

EasymodeX.4062:

bucthree.7301:

According to the MOS charts, Jade Quarry has been 1st 4 times, 2nd 10 times, and 3rd 3 times (we were also almost bumped to T2)

JQ was in T2 for what was it, 1 or 2 weeks?

1-Week and one 3-Day.

Forestgreen.7981:

Last night fights were intense. Ran with Tsym into JQ’s bay and I believe we must of cleared 300 man super zerg JQ with a 25 man team. My computer runs rather well so I can see everything and we cleared 3 massive waves only to see another massive culling hiding wave of JQ on the other side on the retreat. We pull back a bit and charged back out and I cleared another 100+ of them, only until our commander was swarmed that we had to fall back.
The zerg JQ brings is insane, took us two tries to wipe out the JQ super zerg. They bought enough people to build 3 trebs, 7 catapults, 5~ ballistas, 6 arrow carts in 1 go to attack our T3 tower. Later they had 7 balliatas, and 5 trebs at the temple of storms trying to take out our keep door.

Great fights all around, thx for the bags.

OMG there was like 400 of them!

zhonnika.1784:

Mindvibe.4630:

JQs only remaining weakness is NA primetime.

Crap, quick… we need at least 10 more NA guilds Stei, get on making us a new thread, I know you’re reading this.

Need at least 18000 more, let’s go!

Jedbacca.6297:

As a JQ resident since launch …oh god, I couldn’t stop laughing at the post I was thinking of doing… See what I did there? The irony..because I wa..nevermind…

You all make me dizzy with all these posts, I don’t know why I read all of this…

Because you love it!

CharlieWaffles.1509:

Been here since October actually, and why are you paying 15 $ a month ? I wasn’t complaining about it im in a small guild. Im just saying the game has changed to more zerg on zerg fighting in T1 than the 5 man roaming groups we saw all over the place 2 months ago… when it comes to large guild fighting with actual tactics the group that gets more of their guild members in have a better chance at success…. you can go to TS all you want but its not the same as guilds who are fighting together day in day out….

I’ve seen coordinated pugs rip through guild groups, the same as I have guild groups rip through pugs.

CharlieWaffles.1509:

yeah its been reduced to 70… It destroyed our NA coverage over the reset… There were so many new pugs in the BL’s on JQ that you didn’t recognize over half of the people… Guilds like EMP PRX AOS who were manning different zones who had over 100 people online each at reset night were lucky to get 20 or 30 people into the BG’s it was like that all weekend…. Friday through Sunday was a mess… suprised it was as close as it was… Most servers dont deal with the population like it is on JQ. i.e.150 people queing for 70 spots jq seems to have 400+ queing for the same 70 spots… But it gets like that every weekend… Generally by Sunday Night JQ starts to get going a bit… Having FOO helps allot…

Just saying its hard for everyone to have an organized fight when its a hodgepodge of people doing their own thing.

I am not sure if you’re new to the server or what, but that’s what has kept JQ being where it has been since the game began. The larger guilds have no more right to be there than all the others. Work with what you have and hope for the best. I mean hey, it’s everyone’s $15 a month…

Kreen.3925:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

drwookie.6391:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

I’m tired of fighting JQ at this point not going to lie. While we fight our hearts out against guilds we once fought on other servers and have good fights, we go to sleep and wake up to +400 PPT and fully upgraded keeps from Euro Prime time. I know a lot of us try so hard to prevent this from happening but there is nothing we can do. VoTF and our other Euros fight a very hard battle and I have much respect for them. I hope SOS doesn’t get burnt out and that’s why I wish to get away from JQ even if it is just for one week. Even though I always play to win or by PPT, if we continuously get matched with JQs 24/7 coverage and all matches end the same way with a false sense of competitiveness on the weekends and a complete face kitten during our coverage hole, I’m just going to start playing to kill people and hope I don’t get burnt out.

on a Side not, Good fights out there. I see a lot of improvements on all sides of the table. a lot of three way battles on SOS BL. This match-up has been awesome so far.

You make it sound like SoS has been suffering at the hands of JQ for months. Before what, like two weeks ago, didn’t you guys have like a nine week win streak? After all that winning, two weeks is all it takes for you to get sick of us?

There were weeks on end where I felt the same way with SoS, before we had our recruitment. Entire borderlands taken when I get on. But I just kept on fighting, like the rest of JQ.

I mean I’m pretty sure before the mega transfers to servers when SOS was winning the matches were very close. The only match that seemed to be a blow out was like the very first tier 1 match up SOS entered. You sorta missed my point as well. I said if this continues and I didn’t say I would stop fighting…. I will never stop fighting till I get burnt out of the game. You’ll see me and my guild + my alliance out there leading everyday. And as you said you felt the same way with SOS… SO expect us to feel that way when its worst off that’s all.

The match ups when SoS were winning were generally closer because the other servers kept fighting until the end. The two times in recent history when JQ have won have been weeks where SoS largely stopped showing up in force by midweek and so of course the gap got wider.

You also can’t discount the 2rd placed server in these scores because the gaps from 1st to 2nd and 1st to 3rd need to be taken into account.

I can list all the historical scores if you want, they really do make interesting reading

Anyway, its good to see that you and your guild will keep on fighting. Its Tuesday and there is only a few K between all three servers. Historically this is one of the closer match ups. There is no reason why it can’t stay that way unless some servers down tools.

Anyway, from reading these boards, it really doesn’t matter how many players JQ has does it, we are skillless zerg minded plonkers and these servers with vastly superior players will always trounce us and if they don’t any victory we get will be hollow and worthless.

Luckily most in JQ don’t regard their opponents in a similar manner. By the way, I am British so my previous comment might need some translation

lets all see if we can keep the fights close.

Are you having a laugh? It’s crazy innit.

Eurlin.4256:

If they just corrected the outmanned buff to give some sort of defense to….the camps and towers it’d be helpful. I’m not a fan to buffing the players because it’s about the property, and small man groups that are coordinated enough would just rip through 50 man zergs like it was nothing.

Very true, I hate the outmanned buff the way it is.

SoPP.7034:

covenn.7165:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

I’m tired of fighting JQ at this point not going to lie. While we fight our hearts out against guilds we once fought on other servers and have good fights, we go to sleep and wake up to +400 PPT and fully upgraded keeps from Euro Prime time.

I understand and feel your pain. SoR has to deal with a couple of months of that from BG. Same issue, except they were ticking away at 600+ then. Heh

Somehow I get the feeling he didn’t mind facing JQ when SoS was winning…

No he reveled in it and tried saying it was nothing but strategy and tactics. The truth is, it was numbers. Same as it always has been, same as it always will be.

buki.3108:

So uh… you guys still playing the 2v1 drinking game? lmao

oh man, we’d all be drunk. And Jed may just be on the floor.

Orikx.9671:

Are we reading the same thread? I haven’t seen one person complain about a 2v1 yet. Unless I just missed it.

I’ve actually been really quiet impressed with how civil the thread has been so far. Of course people tend to troll more during the week because they do so while at work so that could change pretty fast.

I haven’t really either. Let’s just carry on like nothing has happened.

Jed most of those people who say that are from other servers! :P

Porky.5021:

Halp. We’re being doubleteamed.

HOLD! …Until reinforcements can arrive!

AdliBot.4718:

When SoS decides to focus on BG BL, SoS BL ends up turning into blue and red.

When BG decides to focus on SoS BL, BG BL ends up turning into blue and green.

When JQ decides to focus on SoS BL or BG BL, JQ BL still looks blue all round.

Insert conclusion here

Oh yes the first few days in JQ BL was all blue, it was crazy like woah!

Oh wait….No, that would be false.

Not until SoS mostly quit coming out, and only BG hit squads came out.

awesomesauce.5980:

I think the idea of numbers being even is contested atm. For as long as JQ players are going to claim they are even, SoS players are going to claim they are not (and vice versa). If the sources on the queues are even remotely correct (that JQ, during any time zone, has queues on more than two maps, I’d say the numbers on JQ are much higher than SoS because SoS doesn’t see queues on more than two maps outside of weekends and hasn’t done so for almost two months aside from exceptional days like the final transfer week).

I can understand why both sides want to establish one way or the other. JQ players want to be seen as winning because they are playing better (with even numbers), not because they are playing with more. To win with anything more than even numbers takes away from the achievement. SoS players want to justify part of their loss not because they were outplayed, but because they were out-manned.

At the end of the day this discussion becomes circular and affirmative statements about WvW populations are inflammatory and antagonising of the other server. It’s relevant to the match up, the numbers certainly matter, but each side is trying to frame the story in a different light, one as even numbers, the other as uneven numbers. I’ve seen JQ posters gloat at having superior numbers, I’ve seen most of the regulars claim they are even, most SoS posters either don’t want to partake in the numbers discussion or see them as uneven at the end of the transfer week.

As far as fair weather players go, enjoy them. At the end of transfers, JQ got the bandwagon crew. Every server has them (a lot of them are PvE players who dabble) but the ones who transfer went to JQ.

Obviously your side is correct, I mean you wouldn’t have wrote all those words if it wasn’t.

Azure Prower.8701:

Here you go.

That picture is awesome!

Esoteric.5490:

You haven’t gotten legit rocked in a match in well over 3 months.

I am pretty sure they got rocked pretty good the week of New Year’s. Other than that this is a great post.

Liquid.9672:

I said it earlier, but you can’t use the performance this week as any gauge of either SoS or BG. Starting with tomorrow’s reset I think you’re going to see a completely different SoS than what you saw this week.

Anyone paying attention, hopefully, knows this is true.

JaredKincade.9761:

JQ, get your forum warrior pants on, cuz your going to need it with them lol.

Aaah man, I can never catch a break. I just took them off.

Meditrinas Faith.8320:

Not that I can point a specific post out but didn’t JQ actually claim to be stacking their server with transfers? Wasn’t that actually in multiple posts? Then you getting a bit crazy saying its propaganda? SoS gets flooded (literally) Aus players.. hope things dry out for you soon. Transfers come in on other servers. Its simple. Good game to all. When the winning server comes out and kittens all over the place its ugly. You had the chance to be graceful in your powerful win. You blew that class act. There is next week.

1. Jade Quarry
2. Sanctum of Rall
3. Sea of Sorrows

Bye bye BG.

Hmm I know of none of these messages that you’re speaking of, we’ve been getting hit with false accusations and assumptions for 2 straight weeks. What will make next week any different?

Flood.6105:

Nobody has been as stacked as JQ is now. That last transfer caused panic in all the number watchers and induced a mass exodus.

There are WvW threatening problems now, one is that with such an overwhelming force people will quit trying to fight it. JQ has the numbers but now nobody can or wants fight. Winning because of lack of competition is more corrosive than losing.
The second problem is, nobody is going to pay $20 to transfer to a weaker server, so the problem keeps compounding, balance is the least of peoples worries they just want to be on the “winning” side.

It seems that Anet bought the cart before the horse on this one. We shot ourselves in the foot and Anet handed us the gun. I hope WvWers are smart enough to balance this out on their own, but hoping people to do the right thing is about as useful as teets on a turtle.

Aaaaah panic, panic! It is the end, the end I tell you!

Shinji.2063:

LOL i love some the jq poster comparing the very slight coverage advantage SOS had before paid transfers to the massive stacking jq has now that eclipses even what HOD had at its best. I was even hoping JQ got a few guilds but to see what they did just makes me sad.

LOL I love the SoS posters not seeing that they were stacked. And crying on the forums when they are losing.

Liquid.9672:

I didn’t think it was a secret that some JQ guilds donated gold to help some transferring guilds rebuild their influence and upgrades. There was a thank you post right on their own community forums.

1,000 gold for one guild though? That’s pretty far fetched.

This is true. And those were for that.

Don’t know about this one though, probably something similar. We didn’t pressure anyone to move, we asked and some responded. Where we could we gave them help.

Even sometimes free Quaggan oil back rubs. I wouldn’t recommend it!

Churchill.8714:

You can’t really say you dethroned SoS by transferring 2000 players to your server when at best SoS outnumbered you 9:8 previously…lol.

That entire premise, HoD redux, was what SoS was attempting to avoid when free transfers were announced.

It is a pity that JQ did not.

You can’t really say that all of those “2000” ( that you somehow know of) can get into WvW at the same time right?

With queues at NA primetime being less than 15 minutes, I think it’s alright.

Perhaps push your server to come out to play, because you had the numbers previously. Oh that’s right we’ve already read many of your leaders are regrouping and working on stuff good for them.

I certainly hope that a general person from SoS doesn’t come here and decide to quit playing because he figures there is nothing we can do against JQ. You honestly don’t have to be number 1 all the time, it’s really OK.

MayaNatsume.6524:

I think people from JQ shouldn’t just “bomb” SOS.

I wouldn’t like to expose this. But on the side note, JQ received a number of guilds based on some ahem method.

A thousand gold in exchange for those guilds that jumped over.

Can be seen from the following source: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hardware-clinic-2/official-guild-wars-2-thread-3653183-423.html

I am already being kind here not to name some of these guilds out.

At the very least, BG & SOS played it fair…

You’re basing this statement off of one guys accusation?

Liquid.9672:

Also, I wouldn’t put too much time into analyzing this week’s match. Everything changed when the rating rest was announced. SoS was within 9k points of BG and was closing the gap. Then the rating reset was announced and the very next day they were notching double digit PPT for a good chunk of it and BG’s lead jumped to about 16k. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it, but after the rating reset announcement SoS just stopped making an effort.

I agree with this!

rmBossa.4621:

Did you guys know that JQ has always been in T1?

Thats the server called “Jade Quarry” and “T1” refers to tier one, as in the top three ranked servers’ matchup.

Just want to make sure everyones on the same page.

That would be page “3” at this time.

Uh no. We’ve been in T2 as well. Good job though!

Azure Prower.8701:

Wotah.2975:

Vodka.3958:

ChocPudding.6128:

Vodka.3958:

Whichever server it is, I’m kitten sure they can both beat SoR any day of the week :P

I don’t think so. SoR is very different now. Their NA force is very scary. It is likely to be on par with JQ’s NA! Can’t wait and see

Doubt it. They only got such a high rating because they PvDoored an empty server for 2 weeks. Also that server wouldn’t be so empty if the majority didn’t merge into the winning team.

This is great! “The winning team”, thanks for that. We’ve one so very many over the weeks we’ve been in T1.

They’re talking about SoR.

Yes they are, I see that now. I do apologise.

Vodka.3958:

Careful though, the #1 server tends to implode the fastest over time compared to the lower ranking servers.

It’s obvious you have no idea about T1 and our server. We’ve remade ourselves so many times it’s unreal.

I am sure in two months we will likely be doing the same.

Vodka.3958:

ChocPudding.6128:

Vodka.3958:

Whichever server it is, I’m kitten sure they can both beat SoR any day of the week :P

I don’t think so. SoR is very different now. Their NA force is very scary. It is likely to be on par with JQ’s NA! Can’t wait and see

Doubt it. They only got such a high rating because they PvDoored an empty server for 2 weeks. Also that server wouldn’t be so empty if the majority didn’t merge into the winning team.

This is great! “The winning team”, thanks for that. We’ve one so very many over the weeks we’ve been in T1.

SoS loses a match – “the world is imploding what do we do?!” – Reconstruct yourselves you guys do great work. I may nix your “strategy” calling and what not but you do play a fine hand of Chess.

BG loses a match – “We will give them everything we’ve got and go out proudly.” – Good show BG, I’ve loved to hate our battles here with you over the past couple of weeks. Much like I have the last time, this time though you have seemed much tougher.

Thobek.1730:

Magiofdeath.2745:

SoS recruits and gets quite a few guilds, its ok. JQ recruits and gets quite a few guilds, everyone that goes to JQ is considered a bandwagoning coward. What is wrong with this picture?

For starters you not even being in T1 and commenting on the situation is wrong for a start because you have no first hand experience as to what is currently happening.

Secondly the matches were reasonably close over the last few months and JQ gaining a few extra numbers would of made for some interesting close matches in the upcoming weeks. BG probably could of done with a few more bandwagoning guilds than both SoS and JQ – but that didn’t happen.

Now JQ doesn’t just get a few guilds, they get a truck load of them tipping the balance way too much in their favour. Understand now why people are complaining? What could of been some close exciting matches are now just ruined by too many guilds wanting to follow others into the one server.

He was on JQ either last week or the week before.

As for the rest of it I didn’t really bother to read.

sil.4160:

hex.3218:

Everyone had the same opportunity to recruit the guilds we got. Did SoS send guilds to BG or SoR in the interest of the game?

Neither did we.

Same rules for everyone. Should have done more and better recruiting instead of wasting time on here blaming other people’s success for your failures.

Your argument falls apart actually. RMA from SOS went to SOR

So does yours ASM moved to SOR. Maybe SOR is stacked?

Jedbacca.6297:

I still noted teams attempting to utilize culling to their advantage after the patch went through. This saddened the SF team

Jed it’s all they know. They haven’t had time to sit down and think of new stratagems yet. Give them a moment…….a little longer….

You might’ve wanted to do that a day or so ago.

Mindtrick.5190:

Mindtrick.5190:

15 pages filled with some score updates and a lot of none sense. The recurring posters names and the broken records they are playing should try and limit them selfs. Having self control is asking a lot but at least try. Having a forum presence in 2013 is as important as Nikki Manjis new single.

Lol, I see what you did there.

Destroyer.1306:

Wotah.2975:

Kirito.8796:

“In fact, I can’t recall wiping to many, if any, at all.” So you haven’t ever wiped an SoS zerg?

Why do you re-quote something already quoted?

“Why do you re-quote something already quoted?” Does it bother you?

No, it’s just really odd. I mean you hit quote on a thread (it wasn’t you originally but you decided to comment on it) and then quote it again in your own comments. It’s just odd to me, unless of course he is new to forums and such. If so then, sorry man.

Destroyer.1306:

Nonetheless, JQ has never been ahead of SoS on reset night.

I must’ve missed something, I thought the war time-frame was a week? Like Friday night – Friday night (NA time of course).

Edit: I forgot, good game to all. It was a fun WEEK, I hope next WEEK will be more of the same.