Guild Wars 2

At least they could fix and improve their engine…

- Why HoT upgrade cost same as GW2 + HoT expansion?
So I have paid 50€ for GW2 and now I have to pay 45€ for an upgrade?!!

Thats the way you loose players.

Why so expensive DLC?… they should be working on DX12 new engine etc. to make game playable in WvW

GW2 really needs to get DX12 and VULKAN

VULKAN will come to LINUX and LUNUX is free. Getting new GPU for 60$ soemthing like R7 250 2Gb or 100$ R7 250X/260X shouldnt be a problem for those who paid 30$ for this game.

So playing game can run more different APIs.

Ansau.7326:

The funniest thing about your argument is it’s based in the idea the game is completely unplayable even with high-end hardware. But that is not true…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XSvcnLcmwI

Played at 1440p, while recording, with browser (I think it was 7 tabs…) + soundcloud playing (adobe shockwave running).

And yet I was getting 35fps (totally fine) when massive PvD and only went bad when massive blob vs massive blob was happening. Performance, without recording and all that stuff in the background, would be ~10fps more.

really man? massive.. 30 people on screen. pfff. WvW fight 15-20fps pff (max it out and show us FPS)

Ansau.7326:

1. So, dx12 won’t solve the problems by itself. And we’re going to my point. Game engine needs to be redone, and that’s not gonna happen.

2. So, you play games by its fps… Good gamer you’re

3. Newer hardware being better than older. Just a big clap for that discover.

Gw2 is 2.5 years old and no mmo that was released after has being such succesful that this one.
I think anet devs give a kitten if other games have better performance.

1. Game engine doesnt need to be redone.
Do you actually know how many problems do they have with optimizing game?

2. I dont play games by FPS… GW2 in large WvW fights is just no playable. You want play unplayable game?

3. Ignored. Dx12 could run 200 vs 200 players.

4. http://wccftech.com/wasteland-2-graphical-upgrade-unity-5/
Do you know how much difference can give you new ENGINE?

good game
- good story
- good world, gameplay, etc.
- good engine

For good game you need everything to be good.

No need to argue about it. We cant do anything about it.

Ansau.7326:

And what’s your point? That dx12 would solve all problems?

I’m going further. It’s not a problem if it can work. It’s a problem they don’t care. It doesn’t matter if dx12 is brilliant. This game will run in it’s self-made game engine and dx9 for quite a lot more years.

So please, everybody, forget about big optimizations and enjoy the game. If you have crap hardware, deal with it or upgrade.

But being here discussing if this or that would be great is just wasting your life…

PD: Why do you bring the console hardware here???

1. Yes DX12 will solve many problem, but to take full advantage of it you need good game engine.
2. personally i dont care if GW2 gets Dx12 or now… When i see first good MMO with DX12… no more GW2.
3. Why do i compare console hardware? because CPu is as fast as old CPUs like Quad 6600.

PS: Gw2 is good MMO… shame that other MMOs will give better performance.

Ansau.7326:

There hasn’t been any official statement about big performance changes, and I doubt we’ll ever see it.

The game engine is self-made, and to redo it, it would take years. Anet doesn’t have the budget, programmers and time to do it.

Also, as the time passes, faster hardware is out and it runs the game easier. In 2016 both Intel and AMD expect to lauch new cpu architectures, and their are supposed to be a big improvement over haswell (the fastest nowadays).
All of these makes it less appealing to do such investment just to please people with very old pc’s or low end ones…

DX12 is low lvl API who can easily reach 100K drawcalls and it can be easily optimized for MT.

If you dont understand that check this OUT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8WJ4A6amSE

See with DX12 you can do a lot of things.
- CF/SLI can stack VRAM so 2×2GB VRAM = 4Gb VRAM
- CF/SLI much better scaling, easier to optimize
- Multi-core support = 8 cores at running 100%
…
The point is ENGINE and API. So if you have OLD ENGINE and OLD API there is no chance to get great performance just with changing API.

What is good DX12 will be on XBOX1 and also new MMOs will be on XBOX1 so now depends will they directly port it (APIs) to PC (DX12 = DX12) or … If they can make great servers with DX12 and great ENGINE them most likely OLD MMOs wont survive.

So for GW2 you need better CPU – yet it will go below 20 FPS in large WvW fights. So new MMOs running DX12 you will need new GPU (cost 80-100$) and even old Q9550 will give you more than 30 FPS.

JAGUAR CORE – CONSOLES
Look at consoles – jaguar, 8 core, 1.6Ghz will run it. Quad module is fast as haswell core at 3.5-3.8Ghz. Jaguar core die size = 3.1mm^2(28nm), Haswell core die size 14.1^mm2 (22nm). Jaguar quad core is clearly more efficient and produce more power per die size than haswell.

Tell me how will jaguar core run MMOs?

DX12 should be good.

What do you need for DX12?
+ windows 64x
+ DX12 support GPU (100$)
+ CPU ( buying new CPU and MB) = 120$ + 4-8Gb RAM = 200$ ( but there is no need to change if your platform can run Win8.1)

What do they need to do (ARENA.NET)?
+ probably new engine (lot of work)

So HOW CAN WE MAKE IT HAPPEN?
- probably we cant
- chances = petition + donation 10-15$ for DX12 and new better engine.

This is HOW GW2 SHOULD get more and more people… game would should run smoothly in large WvW battles even on dual core CPUs(on decent servers). Which would be awesome for all of us.

Bkemp.3571

what about buying new PC?
CPU
GPU- this can wait (but it is also weak)
MB and RAM

thanks man…

i will try that

Hello
thinking to build new warrior (toughness,power, precision)
AXE/AXE or AXE/SHIELD
BOW or HAM
I like to play with Axe/Axe pretty strong for close combat.
Here is my build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAnXTjMdU2ZZIehwJagggC7sHDGLgAQbZsFA-TFSGABAcKAQS5TAHBA0eAg+GqUCmkSoP2fgQ1fIFQz6qA-w

pretty much strong….
here is one for precission
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAnXTjMd03ZXImhwJagggC7sHDGLgAQ7bsFA-T1BBABA8EAoZ/htU+Zomg80DUp6PSqEkUAjqrC-w

also good ferocity and power… little weaker but very powerfull

what do you think how to build Warrior for

WvW and PvE and PvP

Hello
thinking to build new warrior (toughness,power, precision)
AXE/AXE or AXE/SHIELD
BOW or HAM

I like to play with Axe/Axe pretty strong for close combat.
Here is my build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAnXTjMdU2ZZIehwJagggC7sHDGLgAQbZsFA-TFSGABAcKAQS5TAHBA0eAg+GqUCmkSoP2fgQ1fIFQz6qA-w

I would like to know your opinion, advices for even better build.

Bye

sirsquishy.8531:

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I am telling you the truth ….

If you dont want to believe me than its your problem.

Look when i compare FX 6300 (mimic 4300) and i7 3770K (mimic i5 K) at 3.8Ghz…
Yes there quite difference …
Fx was about 60 while i5 was like 85… but when you do into fight huge zerks FX was doing 15 fps while i5 was doing 17-18 FPS … so really worth it?

All depends on the game aslo F1 2014 split screen … Fx OC-ed was doing same or better as stock i7 and in LoL also.

basically games running DX9 … you wont see difference while DX11 like BF3 or Crysis 3… Fx 4300 5GHz wont catch up with 3.5Ghz i5

What in game settings were you running to get those FPS?

Here is a screenshot I took of a JorLag fight on my G3258@4ghz

FX may be faster

Yeah… Dx12 should help a lot.

Also Virtual cores should make huge difference. If they would put 2 haswell cores into one virtual core then it would be great.

All i am trying to say that maybe he should wait for better IPC improvement….
If money isnt the problem then… just go fo it.

check this
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192858-visc-cpu-virtual-core-design-emerges-could-this-be-the-conceptual-breakthrough-weve-been-waiting-for

i7 4790K has plenty of power… the problem is Dx9 and GW2… if you will play future MMOs like Archage then large battle 100+ player shouldnt be problem.

Also other MMOs are comming to the consoles (XBOXOne will use DX12) also DX12 is comming to PC they may use DX12 for PC to.

I am telling you the truth ….

If you dont want to believe me than its your problem.

Look when i compare FX 6300 (mimic 4300) and i7 3770K (mimic i5 K) at 3.8Ghz…
Yes there quite difference …
Fx was about 60 while i5 was like 85… but when you do into fight huge zerks FX was doing 15 fps while i5 was doing 17-18 FPS … so really worth it?

All depends on the game aslo F1 2014 split screen … Fx OC-ed was doing same or better as stock i7 and in LoL also.

basically games running DX9 … you wont see difference while DX11 like BF3 or Crysis 3… Fx 4300 5GHz wont catch up with 3.5Ghz i5

Mna i am comparing GW2…. you are wrong…

I gave you Arma 3 which is is optimized very well yet AMD lack behind only about 20-30%

so when you go GW2 and you have 30% faster CPU and you are getting with old setup 15 fps then new setup will maybe give you 18-19 FPs … Is it worth?

our resident AMD CPU supported—- yeah right—- … can you just ignore me and i will ignore you?

Look OP dont listen to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpQIEKwyxA

FX 8350 is good .. slower than I7 4770K. But how much more perf would I7 bring?…. believe me not much. You wont feel difference.

So if I were you then i would wait for next generation (Skylake)…
here you have few games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3HX6JHM3QY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_534976485&feature=iv&list=UUE1jciHeP-TxJrUtXX1IjAg&src_vid=A3HX6JHM3QY&v=PK1MLmsV-Rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjjsFyR08AI&index=15&list=UUE1jciHeP-TxJrUtXX1IjAg

Man i tell you the truth.. yes Fx was higher 10% higher clock… but who cares.

Games like LoL or GW2 or WoW.. doesnt really show big difference between them.
basically BF3/FC3 … games like that shows big difference.

Same setting – (shadows were low, character limit MAX)

Big thing to add is that people are spending to much money for upgrading their PC just to get 5 FPS more… They should try out mantle… then just port it to DX12.

This is better for everyone… you can get normal PC pretty cheap and with low lvl API performance would be much better.

then just get GPU…. holidays

even r9 270 for 100$ should be enough but if you can get 220$ then maybe you can get R9 290

Not really i have i7 and FX 6300 is pretty good compared to it in WvW
it is only 2-7 FPS difference…

You wont get 60FPs+ All the time… impossible at max settings even 25 FPS all the time is impossible

I really wonder how much better performance you will over you current setup…

Upgrading your CPU for GW2 is useless… large WvW or Worl bosses your FPS will sucks with any CPU.

Arena.net should push for better performance with low lvl API….
this is not hard to do it… they have 2 options. Wait for DX12 or try it on Mantle.

The problems?
- GW2 is based on DX9…. i dont know if it can be ported to mantle. If it was DX11 then it would much better.
- Of course big investment into this project but… they dont care for our experience.

So if you want to play GW2 you need to spend 200$ on CPU + 120$ on MB and 100$ on GPU.. and yet it is not playable in WvW

So i recommend you to think about it… for GW2 …. not worth

here is some difference between FX 6300 and pentium g3258… actually there is no difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a-c1idbPhk

dont upgrade yet wait for new tech or at least for some price cuts
specially if your main game is GW2

mainly you need to upgrade you GPU… R9 290 for 200-210$ should be great (but wait for holidays)

I dont hate that… i hate people who lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUVGd3LG89g

Your calling me navie why i am not lying. And actually no MY FX 6300 doesnt bottleneck R9 270X. While on win7 it was huge bottleneck deep under 40 FPS shame.

I am naive?! really? I am here that actually have both CPu at home i7 3770 and FX 6300. I wont argue with you guys buy your self a BF4 and try it out. Some maps GPu will be bottleneck but in some maps you GPu will fall to 60-70% of usage.

And no i dont use i7 to play GW2…

You know what is the biggest problem? Everyone will show that FX CPus bottleneck GPUs while nobody will show that Intel bottleneck GPU.

You so so naive … just stop being naive. Many poeple dont realize that with i5 on win 7 your CPu will bottleneck R9 280X and higher… i think that in some cases even r9 270X can be bottlenecked.

7870×2 is slower than R9 290X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-hH_iGbIk

i7 4770K 4.2Ghz using Dx11 will be huge bottleneck .. using mantle totally different

Avelos.6798:

Of course it’s very good. It’s designed around what people want at this point in time. Performance from just using the computer to games. I list i7 and FX8350 because both have 8 threads.

comparing CMT and SMT should be when they are both 100% and when that happens FX 8350 = i7 4770K but in games that wont happen.

Avelos i7 4770k is very good .. you will notice that CPU load in Bf4 doesnt go over 60-65% with 8 core CPU

Actually you really feel the difference between 4-6-8cores in BF4… Offtopic.

If arena.net want to make this game playable they will need to change API. Thats why newer games dont use DX9 (image BF4,Crysis 3 on DX9).

We all know that a lot of users us windows XP, but they will need to change. I know that many people dont want to upgrade their PC but this is the time to get new PC and at least win7 or 8.1. You can get used/new athlon x4 + GCN/kepler really cheap.

You have people who spend about 300$ more just to get 1-5 fps more in WvW. If gamemakers would use better sofware we would not need to spend extra $ also running low power CPU….

Look at this
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/AMD-AM1-Platform-and-Athlon-5350-GTX-750-Ti-1080p-under-450
Running this games on API like Mantle = no difference with entry GPU

Thats why i want mantle or DX12.

really? I am making “Mantle” thread here? I only said that they might change it to DX12, because many MMOs will.

You dont have a clue. BF4 MP is very CPU bound. Also SP in some cases. i5 is usually bottlenecking a R9 280X on DX11.1 while CPu usage is around 95%.

Ofcourse you cannot compare BF4 (60 fps teady) to GW2 (30FPS steady) all i want to say that this isnt time to change your CPU.

LoL, BF4 is not CPu bound? Thats why we run BF4 on mantle… Like you said DX9 is teh biggest problem here. Also soon MMOs will come to conzoles and we will see optimization

Your saying that PvP 10vs10 you dont get over 30FPS? What are your settings?

This game runs bette ron win7 than win8 actually that win7 fixes make FX CPu really great against INTEL (not faster but comparable)

Many people dont realize that dual core at 4.5Ghz wont beat a quad core at 2.0Ghz on DX11. Look at MANTLE API (DX12 should be even better or same lvl) suddenly FX 6300 becomes a monster against i5…

Anyway, if you want better performance right now then wait and get i5 4690K with good MB and good cooler and try to OC it. If you dont have money for that kinda CPU then get i5 4690 with cheap MB.

I did few benchmarks and i5 3*** vs FX 6300 and i5 at 3.9Ghz was only about 19% faster than FX at 4.4GHz. Intel is faster by 36% clock per clock in this DX9 games.

Before some fixes and all other things intel was like 80% faster clock per clock.
Then if you think how much money did you spend on MB/cooler/CPU… and that FX cannot get any worse

whats your motherboard?
If you have Gigabyte then go in bios enable 1 core per module OC it to 4.6-5.2Ghz depends on your cooler and CPU.

why 1 core per module… better stability,less heat,10%+ fps

sobe
i dont care if mantle lives or dies. i dont care, we will get what we want “Better APi”. It is like you would change from dual core to quad core “even better”. In Bf4 mantle helps a lot.

The point is that you dont need fast quad core. If API is made for 8 cores than 8 core cpu at 2.0Ghz will be faster than 4 cores CPU at 5.0 GHz. Also dual core wont get much from Lov level API. I did run a test on DX11 (Bf4-FX) 2 4.5Ghz was much slower then 4 cores at 2.0Ghz. I am very happy what amd did and you should be to.

Behellagh.1468
Thank you for little more explanation. I hope that they will manage this (teamfight fps 30-40). Because other will and i dont want to play other MMOs. GW2 is the best.

What they should do?
They should ask the players for better optimization and ask for some money(donation) like 15$(reaction from players should be huge).

Kryil.6045:

sobe.4157:

How does the 2nd pc handle other games? Any seem out of the ordinary from how they played previously?

Not really. Most games played on the second computer are Dota 2, Civ 5 and TES:Online and they all run great. TES needs to be run at mid settings, but then it’s perfectly fine and nearly never drops below 25 FPS, averaging at 40 FPS while questing among other players.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

I have problems to. Sometimes i get like 2x lower fps than i should. Also happens in other games.

Do you use win 8.1?

Nope. Thought about upgrading to 8.1 to see if it helps, but currently I’m running 8.

I will go back to win7 because i get worse performance. Using win8.1. Sometime si get great fps sometimes i get kittenty. always playing same path…

But they should implement new API already.
Right know they have a chance to try out AMD mantle.

Yes it is very weird to use DX9 in 2014. Finally AMD support low level API while INTEL doesnt care. By their fault some games still use DX9.

Yep they make superior CPU but i really wish that AMD defeat them.

GW2 is really great game but it is unplayable for everyone when 100 people fights.
Like i said imagin other well optimized games on DX9.

It is much cheaper for us to change windows then change i5 2400 to i5 4670K + great mobo + great cpu cooler. Also dont see much improvement and games is still unplayable in big fights

Imagine playing this game at steady 60 FPS when your in combat with 100 players around. Wouldnt be amazing?

GPu and CPU are weak, but that should happened. can you try lowest settings and just put sampling on navite.

report back.

I have problems to. Sometimes i get like 2x lower fps than i should. Also happens in other games.

Do you use win 8.1?

Yep… just crafting my first ascended weapons. Cant buy obsidian shard…
Please fix it as fast as possible.

EDIT: finnaly …

Balthazar mission is bugged. Contested for 2 days…

DX9 is the biggest problem here. Consoles have 8 slower cores and some MMOs are coming to consoles. Soon many MMOs will be better optimized for more cores and use better api. And then GW2 should get better optimized or people will leave …

I am just telling you that when you will go into big fight WvW your PC wont handle it.

My friend have problems with loggin.

When he wanted to loggin –
WAITING FOR AUTHENTIATION NEW IP…. chech you gmail

He doesnt get new massage from arena.net to authentiation for new IP adress.
Anyone know quick solution – because we want to play a little tonight?

sorry but he is using GT 610… thats slower than intel HD 4600

Buy new GPU at least R7 250 .. i recommend you R7 250X or 7790/R7 260+

Then download fix for amd CPUs on win7 – it helps a lot

- something is wrong…

set settings to lowest … then just change render sampling to native and you can use FXAA too.

GreenRipper.6432
like i said download win7 fixes for bulldozers and change that settings should run just fine

in large zerg I get 10 FPS – will do same with FX 4300 at 3.4Ghz

FX 4/6*** stock cooler is crap – understand that
… mine was so loud so i had to bought new one
Yes i have bad luck with this CPU – so bad overclocker

but still intel stock cooler is better than amd stock cooler (talking about FX 4/6***)

like i said use these settings
If i were you i would keep this PC (CPU/GPU) until 2015/2016… your build CPU+MB+Cooler still cheaper than i5 4670K … Then replace it with the best next gen CPU for this game maybe they will optimize this game – you never know