being a blackgate person, who knows the history between SOR and BG and all the poop talking lately, this makes me happy.
I do not understand how would this make you happy when majority of BG and JQ just run away when they see any organized SoR incoming. I would not expect that from 2 T1 stacked servers that take pride in WvW.
The game is called Guild Wars but looks more like Coverage or PvD Wars.
Then go and purposefully (the fear member admitted it was on purpose not a mistake) ruin the one area of the game game we have set aside to concentrate on fights instead of capping objectives.
Regardless of them zerging your GvG session, if they want to play that way then so be it. Stop flaming them already and get over it. You guys constantly complaining about them is just as bad as them rolling over your GvG. You talk about “respect” and “manners”, well learn to be the bigger person and move on. Getting on the forums and throwing hissy fits isnt going to do anything, roll them on the field when you see them and maybe they’ll think twice before doing it again."
Well said. I think I was there with Fear at the time and there was no indication that anyone knew about this. I would have never known if I didn’t read all this. You need to realize that quite a few in SoR love battles and believe that wvw should be more about actual fighting than worrying about each other real estate. Having said that we are actively looking for a fight and when we do it is like shoot first and maybe ask questions later. I do apologize for any misunderstanding.
But for serious….good job to everyone. As much as I don’t like guilds jumping around to different servers, this has definitely made Tier 1 more exciting.
I agree, I was a strong opponent of transfers, but, they’ve happened and the community can manage itself and has made for an interesting week.
Congratulations to the Blackgate community on making a server that other WvW guilds wanted to join. You’ve made yourself into a formidable force, I hope the recently transferred guilds maintain their support and look forward to fights in the future.
On a side note, now that the precedence is on guilds transferring out, whats next?
Sanctum of Kaineng?
Tarnished Aspenwood?
The question is, will that formidable force ever be able to defeat JQ?
I think that was the idea behind the new transfers.
Also, you don’t like the guild transfers and yet you incite a topic on the same very thing.
Miiaah.5416
“If Kaineng was the third wheel this match may have came down to the last hour, when TC jumps back to T2 that will probably slow them down unfortunately”
I think you either on the wrong thread or wrong server…
Darkjoy.3092
“I look forward to Kaining and the War Machine coming into T1 . Sanctum of Quary will start to get old”
I kinda have an idea to what you looking forward to but please at least get their server name right.
“Hopefully Kaineng makes it to T1 and grabs a few NA’s and a few EU to counter some of JQs Sea/Oceanic and give those guys a little break.”
Blackgate
Mesmer/Warrior/Thief/ele
Hopefully you are suggesting that those guilds will jump on Kaineng from BG right?
Your GM personally attacking EMP’s GM with whispers… .
I don’t think you are doing your guild and server any good by keep inflaming this thread.
I am sure both parties can represent themselves and you are not helping.
“You realize its pretty easy to make 30 gold in less than a day? Its a pain in the butt, you need 4 other committed people, but its not hard, just a grind.”
You realize that we talking about several guilds with +500 people that would be roughly 2000 commited players per guild helping with the transfers. I guess if you want to believe that.
Actually there is a big difference, competitive professional sports while entertaining for the viewers it is a business for the people involved in it. They spend real money from profits to bring in even more money. This is just a game and some players choose to spend real money for the bragging rights only.
The transfer cost is in gems not in any real world currency. It’s possible to buy gems with in-game gold. There are a lot of very rich people in this game at this point. Therefore it’s not necessarily the case that players would be spending real money to purchase transfers for themselves or others. When I transferred back to BG from Maguuma it cost me 1800 gems. Outside of holidays and special events and whatnot that’s usually something like 30 gold and 30 gold isn’t that much money at this point in the game. It seems entirely plausible that entire guilds could’ve been paid for with nothing more than in-game gold.
But as to whether there is a difference between the morality in the business realm versus the recreational realm, I suppose it’s a matter of opinion. To me all I see is that people will expend resources to be successful at whatever venture they’re currently engaged in. I personally find no fault with people paying guilds to transfer to their server.
Let’s put an end to this non sense. It will take a while but it’s possible for a player to make in game gold to transfer to another server. Transferring guilds over short notice it is a complete different story because somebody needs to cover aside of guild upgrades alot of people that are not even ready.
I apologize for making accusations without full proof to back up my arguments. I should have been more thorough in my research before posting. I read the responses to my post (link included), and if I offended anyone I truly am sorry, there’s nothing that I hate more than baseless arguments, especially if I’m the one doing it.
If the gold raised was for transfer cost only then I see no issue, however, if gold was given as payment/bribe, then my choice words are for them. We are innocent until proven guilty, yes even you MERC :-p
Regardless, I do wish the very best for those who transferred over to BG; may you die countless times by our swords
Cheers!
P.S. pls forgive my spelling, typing on a kindle in the hospital while your wife is in labor makes for some interesting sentence structure… it’s a girl.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
P.S. Keep up the good work we need more fighting for SoR
I’m not saying that BG did or didn’t buy guilds. I really don’t know either way.
But I do know that in competitive sports, team management often pays huge sums of money to acquire high performance players.
It’s not seen as being wrong if the Yankees payroll is over 100 million dollars a year, why is it such a big deal if people fork over virtual money to get players to their side?
Honestly I’m surprised that there hasn’t been a bidding war between servers to secure all the big name guilds.
Actually there is a big difference, competitive professional sports while entertaining for the viewers it is a business for the people involved in it. They spend real money from profits to bring in even more money. This is just a game and some players choose to spend real money for the bragging rights only.
I think the game should be more about battles rather than worry about each other real estate.
I hope you guys have enjoyed the fireworks.
Many players actually do not prefer this zerg style of game play. If you look at other threads on this forum currently and in the past, you would notice that many actually want to run in smaller groups to complete objectives on the map like taking camps, defending towers, escorting yaks, etc. Zerging up in a huge 50+ ball and ignoring objectives on the map may win open field battles but it doesn’t show strategy, tactical play and players’ skills, and with the issues with lag and culling, it is downright unplayable at times since you can die without even knowing what happened.
I feel that SOR is playing similar to how SOS used to play which was to ball up in huge zergs to run through their opponents. SOS however did play strategically like encouraging other servers to fight each other so they benefit from 2v1, scouting, etc and that was why they were devastating and was one of the main reasons for their dominance for around 2 months. SOR zergs up and ignores practically everything else on the map – No strategy, no tactics, ignoring points and objectives on the map.
There are some posters who have an opinion that K/D is the best indication of performance. However, as many have stated already, the best K/D ratio is achieved through balling up in 50+ zerg. Many feel that spamming skills without seeing who you are hitting or who is hitting does not show player skills.
The post was about doing so with same numbers or while outnumbered let’s be honest some groups have better combat strategy than others. That is because they love to fight and not to just accumulate ppt and practice makes it perfect. The wvw should be about servers actually confronting each other not fighting doors, NPC’s and/or wining by coverage. The whole history shows that wars were actually won by battles and not points. The battles were also won by whoever had the best strategy even when outnumbered.
Welcome OCX guild. I have to say I’m impressed by our assian time zone guilds. I know you are greatly outnumbered and yet you have a never give up attitude and put up such a good fight. Keep up the great work guys!
Good job today in JQ BL, I think you drove everyone crazy over here on JQ to the point where a lot of people just left the BL.
Should be an interesting matchup”
That is the truth and I want to say thank you for being honest. Same goes for all the other JQ and BG players that show same fairplay.
I have to say that during N/A prime time we have won every single confrontation against JQ and BG major guilds with the group that I was running. I have to say that this is very rewarding for quite a few of us as you might have seen even to the point that we would just look around for a challenge rather than worry about ppt.
I think the game should be more about battles rather than worry about each other real estate.
I hope you guys have enjoyed the fireworks.
I thought it would funny to show how many JQ’ers are needed to take down 2 people and keep in mind this is them taking it easy on us. I am flattered though cause they were keep coming until all decided to participate. Also, spoiler alert, as you can see SoR has considered all the methods including cloning and so on to be able to match JQ numbers.
You do realize there’s a difference between the numbers needed to take them down and the numbers of people wanting a piece of the action, yes?
Just curious.
You do realize the difference between reality and the story telling yourself to sleep better at night?
Not curios. You have already answered that
I thought it would funny to show how many JQ’ers are needed to take down 2 people and keep in mind this is them taking it easy on us. I am flattered though cause they were keep coming until all decided to participate. Also, spoiler alert, as you can see SoR has considered all the methods including cloning and so on to be able to match JQ numbers.
i belive march update will drag lot more ppls in wvwvw
I think some people are just dedicated PvE’rs and love fighting NPC’s only. Some they will find excuses like grinding for better gear and some do not even bother. I think even if some PvE’rs would be attracted in WvW via rewards they will probably not contribute just running around for achievements and make queue’s longer.
Best solution is to have WvW and PvE separate servers.
I think that would be a good idea. Another option would be to have 6-9 dedicated WvW servers per time zone and the rest 18-15 to be pve/spvp, free transfers between wvw/pve servers. It would free alot of system resources to improve the game play experience including probably larger scale battles and distribute population based on preferences.
This is the battle of chest thumping. A few weeks back, SOR chest thumps with the achievement of owning JQ’s garrison in JQ’s borderland map. JQ comes back with owning all of SOR’s borderland including 3 waypoints. This week, SOR chest thumps about owning JQ’s keep in EB. JQ comes back with owning all of EB including 4 waypoints.
There is enough chest thumping but it is obvious you got the servers mixed up. Above attachment shows what SoR can do with equal coverage.
Amazing what JQ can do when playing against NPCs. Seriously outstanding.
See you next week, “champs”.
Yeah I mean, SoR and SoS they so tired of getting steamrolled by JQ they just stopped playing WvW. You wonder why they always complain about not fielding enough numbers. Its because they know they aint got no chance in hell so why even log into WvW when playing against JQ.
It must be nice not knowing a thing about what SoS internal politics was like from your position, and then deciding to post about it here.
Again, see you next week.
I think I know what happened. I’m thinking ‘some’ people couldn’t handle losing and lacked the intestinal fortitude to even bother fighting back, and instead went the easier, softer way and hopped to BG. But hey, i could be way off. Either way, looking forward to crushing you and your server next week. Maybe this time we can get your guild to quit the game, instead of just the server, lol.
Do you have the slightest idea how much damage your server is doing to this game?
You can tell JQ does not care, hell they would recruit more if they got the chance.
Do you somehow believe that PvE doesn’t pay the bills for Anet? WvW is a very small fraction of GW2 in terms of playerbase. Do you really believe that Jade Quarry, a single server in the game, is ‘damaging’ the game by winning decidedly? Is the sky, in fact falling?
That is funny coming from a JQ player which is predominantly WvW. Actually WvW is what keeps alot of people in the game and makes most of ANet money. The WvW is the only place that builds server and guilds reputation, hence the bragging rights and people pay gold to transfer not for PvE but for WvW.
Needless to say any imbalance in the WvW is bad for both winners and losers as it affects their gameplay. Winning without challenge aka PvDooring and getting stomped all the time at the other end it is a game breaker, people lose interest after a while and eventually move on.
Right, but you cannot blame a server of gamers for flawed game design…that’s just ridiculous. Wouldn’t you agree?
I completely agree the game developers should first acknowledege and secondly address these problems via root cause analysis.
Amazing what JQ can do when playing against NPCs. Seriously outstanding.
See you next week, “champs”.
Yeah I mean, SoR and SoS they so tired of getting steamrolled by JQ they just stopped playing WvW. You wonder why they always complain about not fielding enough numbers. Its because they know they aint got no chance in hell so why even log into WvW when playing against JQ.
It must be nice not knowing a thing about what SoS internal politics was like from your position, and then deciding to post about it here.
Again, see you next week.
I think I know what happened. I’m thinking ‘some’ people couldn’t handle losing and lacked the intestinal fortitude to even bother fighting back, and instead went the easier, softer way and hopped to BG. But hey, i could be way off. Either way, looking forward to crushing you and your server next week. Maybe this time we can get your guild to quit the game, instead of just the server, lol.
Do you have the slightest idea how much damage your server is doing to this game?
You can tell JQ does not care, hell they would recruit more if they got the chance.
Do you somehow believe that PvE doesn’t pay the bills for Anet? WvW is a very small fraction of GW2 in terms of playerbase. Do you really believe that Jade Quarry, a single server in the game, is ‘damaging’ the game by winning decidedly? Is the sky, in fact falling?
That is funny coming from a JQ player which is predominantly WvW. Actually WvW is what keeps alot of people in the game and makes most of ANet money. The WvW is the only place that builds server and guilds reputation, hence the bragging rights and people pay gold to transfer not for PvE but for WvW.
Needless to say any imbalance in the WvW is bad for both winners and losers as it affects their gameplay. Winning without challenge aka PvDooring and getting stomped all the time at the other end it is a game breaker, people lose interest after a while and eventually move on.
Unfortunately there seems to be an unitended byproduct of paid transfers turning this game into a pay to win game. It has created elitist mercenary guilds which will go to the server that pays the most. Needless to say this is game over unless the problem gets acknowledged and solved as soon as possible.
Should be a fun fight once we get BG up here. Hopefully next week. SoS is at half strength now and SoR even has stopped chest thumping though that may have more to do with BG coming up to pay them back for all the trash talking.
You should look at your server first and BG chest thumping and trash talk. Ever since the servers got stacked looks like you silenced all your decent players.
“To all servers who are saying “VoTF please come to our server, you will be appreciated because we have no EU coverage”
VoTF must have done their own research on the future server and their decision will be respected.
There is no doubt their presence in those servers will be appreciated but that is also selfish at the same time. VoTF CANNOT carry any server’s EU zone by themselves.
This was what happened in SoS, so moving to a server with no or weak EU coverage is basically indirectly asking them to “carry the server” at the said timezone. There needs to be some critical mass at least. Any guild that is expected to carry a timezone by themselves will suffer burnout
I wish VoTF the best in whichever server they choose and find what excites them as a guild in the game."
Let me guess you are just an disinterested JQ player and you just want what is best for VoTF right? You are very inconspicuous my friend
“One other interesting “fact” jumped out at me, SoR has never gone down in this graph. Well done SoR, ever upwards!”
That my friend is the absolute truth, data proves the SoR community resilience. It is funny seeing others trying to claim the same thing when the facts are showing the obvious.
“Kaineng would love VotF to join us in tier 2; we’ve had some absolutely amazing matchups with BG and TC. On top of that, VotF can look forward to some good competition with BG’s strong EU presence!”
That is assuming that BG will stay in T2, which is already past tense.
VoTF joining SoR will face some good competition opposing JQ and BG already strong in the EU time zone.
At this point there is a need to restore balance against these 2 highly stacked servers that will dominate T1 for a while.
JQ and BG should be the first to support this unless they actually looking for some easy wins.
“There is nothing on SoR for VotF. As much as we would all like balance, VotF wil lgo where VotF feels it can get good fights. This is leaning strongly to heading back to EU”
And yet you are not part of VoTF or SoR and you know what is best for both. You speak with a forked tongue my friend
“I hope they consider Kaineng. Kaineng is a very competitive server that lacks an EU crew.”
Kaineng actually needs stronger N/A presence as well to be competitive in T1.
VoTF is the jewel of all the guilds leaving sos so far, will be interesting to see where they land.
That’s still assuming they do leave. Going with the current rumormill though, and say they do transfer, SoR makes the most sense to me as the best destination in the NA bracket, with a big maybe for Kaineng. I still say they end up moving back to the EU servers though."
VoTF could actually continue to build on their reputation if they stay on the N/A servers. EU servers would mean queue times and just joining the multitude of guilds in the prime time over there.
I completely agree that VoTF transferring to SoR would make the most sense considering that their strength would come to cover a weak spot and bring some balance back in T1 for the weeks to come.
I honestly think knowing their tenacity and resolve in the battle they do love the challenge and will transfer to SoR.
I honestly had respect for VoTF but I think it is pretty pathetic that at this moment in The Eternal Borderlands they are just helping JQ instead of taking objectives for their server. But then again if they loved challenge they would of have played on EU servers. Maybe they want to transfer to JQ and need to work that gold. Work it baby!
Are you sure that is just an SoR thing? The answer is no and the reason was explained in this thread already. The disturbing part is that some TC players instead of fighting to the end they choose the ways of the mighty forum warrior. Just sit around and cry about pretty much everything doesn’t help your server.
Insults? I actually complimented your server. SoR did get a bunch of transfers that is just the truth. Seems like your taking the truth personal, for which I’m sorry but I can’t take credit for.
EDIT: Also, I should add this because you contradicted yourself. You say it’s just a game and your happy in whatever meaningless tier, then why would you’ll be trying so hard to recruit people from OTHER servers when SoR was already in T2. I don’t have a problem with it but I’m not going to shy away from what it really is either.
You do realize that everyone is in the same boat and this reset promotes more of unevenly matches for the next few weeks. All this doesn’t change the servers strength and SoR is ready to face JQ, SoS and BG but what about TC? I thought you guys wanted us out because you got steam rolled but this reset will bring you more unevenly matches.
I think this reset is a bad idea. The tiers would have had settled in the next couple weeks while now we start all over again with the uneven matches.
For some Blackgate players:
I honestly do not know why Blackgate server want to ruin their reputation leave T2 with such a bad impression. It has been fun all along, fair play was there until Tarnish Coast joined T2. For some unknown reasons you are helping them out. I know this because I was there when IoJ was there and this never happened.
I do not know enough Tarnish Coast so maybe this is their tactics where ends justify the means but I do know that BG is better than this.
Hopefully you care enough to do the right thing, no more crowbars to the knee cap please.
For some Blackgate players:
I honestly do not know why Blackgate server want to ruin their reputation leave T2 with such a bad impression. It has been fun all along, fair play was there until Tarnish Coast joined T2. For some unknown reasons you are helping them out. I know this because I was there when IoJ was there and this never happened.
I do not know enough Tarnish Coast so maybe this is their tactics where ends justify the means but I do know that BG is better than this.
Hopefully you care enough to do the right thing, no more crowbars to the knee cap please.
Congratulation Sanctum of Rall for the crushing victory!
We all succeeded to show everyone what determined and skillful players can do.
I would propose that “Quality Over Quantity Always Prevails” to be the Sanctum of Rall new motto.
Anybody else that somehow feel frustrated or bitter at the moment, please do not be sad as there is always hope and that your time will come.
I think the difference between higher or lower server tiers it is mostly based on how many players are actively participating in world versus world, their level of teamwork, coordination and to some point the PvP value of it’s players.
Honestly, I have seen in Sanctum of Rall constantly growing in all those areas over the time which finally came together to fruition this week. Any server coming together in all those areas will be victorious as it would fail doing otherwise. That includes the future encounters for Sanctum of Rall as well.
Looking beyond that not only cannot change the facts but it is just a waste of time.
All these discussions about conspiracy theory brings into my mind that a win is a win, the sense of fairness as there should be grace in defeat, overcoming obstacles, learning from defeat, actually that would be a measure of character…
I wish to extend my congratulations to everyone that participated on all three servers and lets not forget this is a game that we are suppose to enjoy together.
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