For SOR, they dont need to recruit SEA timezone.
You guys already have superior EU and NA timezone.
Trying to build the brand new HOD or something?
Imagine a matchup with 3 servers all having coverage on the opposite time zones while the overall ppt might be close but the players never fight each other. Is that really a balanced wvwvw matchup or just PvD?
The overall score is only meaningful in terms of matchup balance if the ppt is closely spread during all time zones, which btw had to be demonstrated.
have not seen BG consistently ticking below 100 ppt. during any time zones.
No server has consistently ticked below 100 ppt. See the Income Evolution at http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/ Interestingly, BG has the lowest tick on the chart.
The SoR players during SEA/Oceanic are awesome but they need more numbers. They deserve to enjoy the game on equal footing with JQ and BG.
Fair enough. Based on this, is it safe to assume that you’re hoping JQ and BG receive EU transfers? Where was this logic when KISS and SONG transferred?
Please move on, nothing to see here:) We will recruit as we see fit same as BG always did.
What you see right now is simply our drunk NA at work. Trust me, SoRs ppt is never that good in Oceanic…Don’t worry, things wont be so lopsided soon. Overtime does not mean better coverage.
I don’t see how that shows them doing it to recruit more guilds, try again please.
Obviously you’re not playing overtime in order to recruit more guilds. That doesn’t even make sense. As I said, SoR is using overtime as an excuse to continue recruiting:
SoR poster: We need more coverage during Oceanic! BG poster: But look, your ppt during Oceanic is high! SoR poster: That’s only because we’re playing overtime! We must recruit moarrr!!!
I’m fine with SoR getting yet another guild. Whatever. It’s just funny that SoR cries “overtime” when someone calls them out on their latest recruitment push. It’s particularly funny because over the last several months SoR incessantly mocked BG for playing overtime.
Edit: Please disregard my post, Azure just cleared things up for me. Apparently the “overtime” SoR pulls is completely different from the overtime found on other servers. SoR players voluntarily pull overtime hours, while players on other servers have it forced upon them. If this seems ludicrous, it’s not…It’s actually quite similar to how SoR “donates” gold to help transferring guilds, while other servers “pay” the gold.
I think we need to recruit guilds for SEA/Oceanic because of 2 reasons, one we are lacking the numbers, two the gameplay during that timezone. The ppt shows it so shouldn’t be no arguing there. We cannot control how the other 2 servers will play so the only thing left is recruiting and strategizing accordingly. There is no conspiracy and anyone who wants to face opponents instead of doors will support it.
Also, SoR has recognized same type of problems and actively helped recruiting guilds to BG and JQ for their weak spots so it would behoove to do the same or at least have the courtesy not to act against it.
It’s Tuesday and the race for first place is within 200 points. Please tell me more about how SoR needs to continue recruiting.
If any guild is looking to transfer up in tiers, they should consider JQ or TC. NOT SoR or BG, regardless of the guild’s timezone.
Please pay attention at the post I’m talking about a specific time zone, have not seen BG consistently ticking below 100 ppt. during any time zones. The SoR players during SEA/Oceanic are awesome but they need more numbers. They deserve to enjoy the game on equal footing with JQ and BG.
Also, see above.
What you see right now is simply our drunk NA at work. Trust me, SoRs ppt is never that good in Oceanic…Don’t worry, things wont be so lopsided soon. Overtime does not mean better coverage.
I don’t see how that shows them doing it to recruit more guilds, try again please.
Obviously you’re not playing overtime in order to recruit more guilds. That doesn’t even make sense. As I said, SoR is using overtime as an excuse to continue recruiting:
SoR poster: We need more coverage during Oceanic! BG poster: But look, your ppt during Oceanic is high! SoR poster: That’s only because we’re playing overtime! We must recruit moarrr!!!
I’m fine with SoR getting yet another guild. Whatever. It’s just funny that SoR cries “overtime” when someone calls them out on their latest recruitment push. It’s particularly funny because over the last several months SoR incessantly mocked BG for playing overtime.
Edit: Please disregard my post, Azure just cleared things up for me. Apparently the “overtime” SoR pulls is completely different from the overtime found on other servers. SoR players voluntarily pull overtime hours, while players on other servers have it forced upon them. If this seems ludicrous, it’s not…It’s actually quite similar to how SoR “donates” gold to help transferring guilds, while other servers “pay” the gold.
I think we need to recruit guilds for SEA/Oceanic because of 2 reasons, one we are lacking the numbers, two the gameplay during that timezone. The ppt shows it so shouldn’t be no arguing there. We cannot control how the other 2 servers will play so the only thing left is recruiting and strategizing accordingly. There is no conspiracy and anyone who wants to face opponents instead of doors will support it.
Also, SoR has recognized same type of problems and actively helped recruiting guilds to BG and JQ for their weak spots so it would behoove to do the same or at least have the courtesy not to act against it.
It seems we never happy, before the patch we complained that we were too nerfed and now we argue about being overpowered one way or another. I have never seen another class do that. If need be ANet will make their own decision. Just play the game and enjoy while it last.
A couple of nights ago we tried to get JQ to 2v1 SoR with us in EBG. It actually seemed to be happening a couple of times but every time we took Jerrifers then went to bang on the Keep, the JQ commander hit Durios, 3 different times. Anyhoo, my point is, 2v1s are going to happen, but not all the time, and they tend to be isolated to certain time zones on certain maps and on certain days depending on many factors. As others said earlier, BG dealt with a 2v1 every single night in EBG a couple of weeks ago. The TSYM commanders love to initiate it on EBG when they smell weakness, and many on JQ love to kill BG (SF and SG in particular – still, much love guys), so there it is.
Cry all you want but the fact remains that we’re all going to get 2v1’d at certain times, and it’s best to just try to deal with it as best you can and wait for it to pass. This goes for my team as well.
I cannot speak for the N/A but during SEA/Oceanic there was a coordinated and not spontaneous 2v1 effort from both BG/JQ which would be fair game if we had the numbers for it. In the end it’s beneficial for SoR as you help us with recruitment advertizing. We need to learn, adapt and recruit during those times to make the game more competitive.
Personally, I think this is good for the server because it will sort or assimilate some of the fair weather players which inherently come with the #1 spot and make room for some wvw organized guilds that love a challenge.
Anyhow, I want to thank you JQ and BG for the good fights and the win this week.!
To make the game more competitive? Did you see how close the score was? That is competitive if you ask me. You are typing all this as if your server suffered such a severe loss that it is going to devastate your community. SoR always has numbers besides at late SEA time.
So many SoR players desire a Vizunah level of win. Where you know that you can’t lose because you always outnumber your enemy. This isn’t a hate-filled comment, it is simply me trying to point out that recruiting again just because you barely lost does not make this match up more competitive.
What this match-up needs is a third server with near equal coverage as the other two who can hold their own ground. That is what can make this 3-way match-up more competitive. And yes, JQ has this potential. They are the ones who should recruit. Not SoR.
Please pay attention, I was talking about specific times where there is PvD, when in doubt always check the ppt during all time zones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still stand by everything I said. SoR has their times of PvD as well. You are not the ones who need to recruit. So what if your late SEA is weak, at least you have guilds there. I wish people would get off the idea of continuously stacking the same servers. We need 3 servers on equal footing in this match. Not 2.
When any server ticks repeatedly below 100 ppt. during certain time zones the game is not anymore competitive during that time and doesn’t promote active game play.
Also, keep in mind that SoR has directed guilds to BG and JQ before and I think any comments against or meant to impede another server recruitment do not promote positive and active game play.
A couple of nights ago we tried to get JQ to 2v1 SoR with us in EBG. It actually seemed to be happening a couple of times but every time we took Jerrifers then went to bang on the Keep, the JQ commander hit Durios, 3 different times. Anyhoo, my point is, 2v1s are going to happen, but not all the time, and they tend to be isolated to certain time zones on certain maps and on certain days depending on many factors. As others said earlier, BG dealt with a 2v1 every single night in EBG a couple of weeks ago. The TSYM commanders love to initiate it on EBG when they smell weakness, and many on JQ love to kill BG (SF and SG in particular – still, much love guys), so there it is.
Cry all you want but the fact remains that we’re all going to get 2v1’d at certain times, and it’s best to just try to deal with it as best you can and wait for it to pass. This goes for my team as well.
I cannot speak for the N/A but during SEA/Oceanic there was a coordinated and not spontaneous 2v1 effort from both BG/JQ which would be fair game if we had the numbers for it. In the end it’s beneficial for SoR as you help us with recruitment advertizing. We need to learn, adapt and recruit during those times to make the game more competitive.
Personally, I think this is good for the server because it will sort or assimilate some of the fair weather players which inherently come with the #1 spot and make room for some wvw organized guilds that love a challenge.
Anyhow, I want to thank you JQ and BG for the good fights and the win this week.!
To make the game more competitive? Did you see how close the score was? That is competitive if you ask me. You are typing all this as if your server suffered such a severe loss that it is going to devastate your community. SoR always has numbers besides at late SEA time.
So many SoR players desire a Vizunah level of win. Where you know that you can’t lose because you always outnumber your enemy. This isn’t a hate-filled comment, it is simply me trying to point out that recruiting again just because you barely lost does not make this match up more competitive.
What this match-up needs is a third server with near equal coverage as the other two who can hold their own ground. That is what can make this 3-way match-up more competitive. And yes, JQ has this potential. They are the ones who should recruit. Not SoR.
Please pay attention, I was talking about specific times where there is PvD, when in doubt always check the ppt during all time zones.
A couple of nights ago we tried to get JQ to 2v1 SoR with us in EBG. It actually seemed to be happening a couple of times but every time we took Jerrifers then went to bang on the Keep, the JQ commander hit Durios, 3 different times. Anyhoo, my point is, 2v1s are going to happen, but not all the time, and they tend to be isolated to certain time zones on certain maps and on certain days depending on many factors. As others said earlier, BG dealt with a 2v1 every single night in EBG a couple of weeks ago. The TSYM commanders love to initiate it on EBG when they smell weakness, and many on JQ love to kill BG (SF and SG in particular – still, much love guys), so there it is.
Cry all you want but the fact remains that we’re all going to get 2v1’d at certain times, and it’s best to just try to deal with it as best you can and wait for it to pass. This goes for my team as well.
I cannot speak for the N/A but during SEA/Oceanic there was a coordinated and not spontaneous 2v1 effort from both BG/JQ which would be fair game if we had the numbers for it. In the end it’s beneficial for SoR as you help us with recruitment advertizing. We need to learn, adapt and recruit during those times to make the game more competitive.
Personally, I think this is good for the server because it will sort or assimilate some of the fair weather players which inherently come with the #1 spot and make room for some wvw organized guilds that love a challenge.
Anyhow, I want to thank you JQ and BG for the good fights and the win this week.!
Posted this 5 pages back and what followed was some of the most childish posts ever made for this match up thread. People still posting on 2+ accounts trying to troll. Some even claiming to be adults and still posting toxic negative comments.
CNN posted a funny story about trolls. It’s easy to talk behind a game name but in the real world I’m sure most of you are quiet and very average. This is a video game maybe one day when you see your kid or maybe a young cousin playing call of duty or kingdom of hearts you wake up and understand its fun and nothing more. Play the game and shut up. I’d like to see a video game dev company make people post with real names and tie in Facebook. More than half of you would dip out.
In short your posting on a account that has made up name
Blizzard tried it. There was massive backlash, and they backed off on it.
I wouldn’t expect it otherwise as it just proves the article’s point. There are alot of discussions regarding internet laws, regulations and policies so I think alot will change in the future. The internet has developed fast and it only takes time to be properly regulated and legally defined.
I think some players are simply trying to wrap their head around the sudden drop off in participation from SoR yesterday, as it was pretty atypical. And it’s not just about the SEA timezone and internet issues. SoR numbers were lower than normal from early NA through early Oceanic when I went to bed. I can’t remember the last time SoR was outmanned in EB during late NA when I play, but even though I can’t see the buff anymore, I’m certain you were. EU was understandable. HB was out yesterday. But after that, what I personally witnessed was not the SoR I’m used to. So, outside of the claims of intentionally taking the foot off the gas, that leaves us with 1) random off night (we all have them); 2) TW busy with GvG; 3) burnout; 4) other unknown factors.
Whatever the reasons, it was not a normal day for the tier from what I saw.
I think the answer is pretty simple. BG while pointing at SoR has over stacked again and we just need some recruiting especially during the SEA/Oceanic time to match up the numbers. I’m sure there are some guilds out there that love a challenge and to keep the matchup competitive.
Could we further clarify when an advantage becomes dominance, from 2 hours? and at what PPT?
There are no set rules and numbers. Dominance is also perception.
But you can look at the history of data and draw more accurate conclusions from there. For example: SoR’s NA consistently ticks in the high 300s, almost without fail. Therefore, SoR dominates the NA timezone of the tier. That they are ticking at 240 ppt now is a fluke, and so it would be ignorant for anyone to say “lolz look BG dominating, they’re so stacked!!!1one”
It would also be ridiculous to say our Oceanic and SEA timezones are stacked, because SoR has proven they can tick at 300 + + when they feel like it (i.e BG has a higher score) and JQ’s SEA force is still active and formidable. That’s why BG taking more SEA guilds is generally not frowned upon – it is a highly competitive environment and anyone who transfers to either of the three servers will not find empty battlefields to scour.
EU is a whole different story, which is why troll rhetoric that relates the SEA guilds BG recently acquired with the EU guilds SoR acquired is comparing apples to airplanes.
Conclusion: people should just keep their ignorant opinions to themselves. (yeah I know that’s left field. I just felt like saying it)
It would also be ridiculous to say our N/A or EU timezones are stacked because BG has proven they can tick at 300+ when they feel like it.
SEA is a whole different story, which is why troll rhetoric that relates the EU guilds SoR acquired with the SEA guilds BG acquired is comparing apples to airplanes.
It’s all a matter of perspective.
Conclusion: I think it’s best to follow your own advice.
There was another thread created for the sole purpose of trolling this thread and was honestly surprised by the negativity and number of followers. There is a lot of criticism in this thread as well that has nothing to do with being constructive but just another battle of egos.
Too much elitism and I think it is time to let it go.
Read the whole thread. No one was being elitist. They were pointing out flaws to some of the builds, and he reacted aggressively. His last few posts have been much better, but the reason for the arguments was that players were supportive and encouraging while adding some points that he might want to look at. No one has any issue with the builds, though they do have flaws. The issue was the response to constructive criticism.
I have read the thread and at least 3 sayings come to mind.
1. It takes two or more to make a quarrel.
2. What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you?
3. In the end wishful thinking is one thing and reality another.
I would love to see this settled by everyone involved posting their builds and have the community test and mark them.
There was another thread created for the sole purpose of trolling this thread and was honestly surprised by the negativity and number of followers. There is a lot of criticism in this thread as well that has nothing to do with being constructive but just another battle of egos.
Too much elitism and I think it is time to let it go.
No it’s not. SoR has done it anyone can do it as well. We are talking about large guilds and not individual players. The leaders of such guilds are level headed and looking for a challenge so they would listen to what the servers have to say because in the end they want to be welcomed there and to be part of the community. It is amusing to think otherwise.
I don’t see how that refutes my point, and everyone has turned away transfers at this point. BT and IRON did their research, neither SoR or BG had final say on their transfers.
Any guilds looking to transfer to T1 can ascertain on their own the strength of each server. MOS is brilliant that way. It’s JQ’s responsibility to appeal to potential tranfers, if they want any, in the community sense.
I have not heard of any guilds that were turned down by BG and/or recommend them to join a different server. Please do not take this the wrong way but, unfortunately, beyond explanations or excuses it reflects the server image and it is only up to BG to change that or not.
No one publicizes “BG REJECTS GUILD” on the forums.
The mentality of labeling the guilds involved in such process as rejects in big bold letters too… That alone tells the true story and contradicts everything that you said.
Stop trying to spin things to make it look bad plztnx. It was an intentional fake sensationalizing as tabloids are wont to do and certain trolls loooove to use as their forum tactics.
Nice try, even though it has nothing to do with me as I call it like I see it. If that’s the case you know the best way to fix a mistake is to take responsibility.
Retaliation – don’t fight
Torment – don’t move
Confusion – don’t do anything
? – don’t even show your face around here
Giving Torment to thieves is this ArenaNet’s way of saying don’t bother trying to catch them when they run away? Seriously if you want to solo roam I’m not seeing the reason to play any other class anymore. Oh well. Had to level the thief eventually I suppose.
Give them torment, all the better to punish them for running away from me.
Signed,
The Necro
Yeah, I can’t wait the shackle and torment, that sounds like good times ahead.
thats what i meant, no reason to turn down a guild that wants to go to BG and no where else. I had remembered hearing some guild leaders talk about telling IRON that there are better fits and politely told them that. It was in response to the quote that BG hasnt recommended any guilds to another server, and it just happened recently with IROn and that changed the landscape of tier 1 by doing that.
I’m sorry that never happened, SoR had the least EU presence at the time and they have moved straight to SoR to help balance out that time slot.
Actually it did. They had scouts on both JQ and BG, and their BG scouts spoke with several players on the server. I know of at least one case where they were urged to move to a server other than BG. From what I understand, opinions on that was mixed however. Not everyone is always going to agree on things, and no one person makes a singular decision. Either way, we know what the end outcome was, and it really doesn’t matter anymore.
I’m very happy to hear this and actually it does really matter as long that mentality becomes majority and able to make decisions.
No it’s not. SoR has done it anyone can do it as well. We are talking about large guilds and not individual players. The leaders of such guilds are level headed and looking for a challenge so they would listen to what the servers have to say because in the end they want to be welcomed there and to be part of the community. It is amusing to think otherwise.
I don’t see how that refutes my point, and everyone has turned away transfers at this point. BT and IRON did their research, neither SoR or BG had final say on their transfers.
Any guilds looking to transfer to T1 can ascertain on their own the strength of each server. MOS is brilliant that way. It’s JQ’s responsibility to appeal to potential tranfers, if they want any, in the community sense.
I have not heard of any guilds that were turned down by BG and/or recommend them to join a different server. Please do not take this the wrong way but, unfortunately, beyond explanations or excuses it reflects the server image and it is only up to BG to change that or not.
No one publicizes “BG REJECTS GUILD” on the forums.
The mentality of labeling the guilds involved in such process as rejects in big bold letters too… That alone tells the true story and contradicts everything that you said.
Anyhow, I want to congratulate everyone for the competitive match this week. Keep up those intense battles!
thats what i meant, no reason to turn down a guild that wants to go to BG and no where else. I had remembered hearing some guild leaders talk about telling IRON that there are better fits and politely told them that. It was in response to the quote that BG hasnt recommended any guilds to another server, and it just happened recently with IROn and that changed the landscape of tier 1 by doing that.
I’m sorry that never happened, SoR had the least EU presence at the time and they have moved straight to SoR to help balance out that time slot.
No it’s not. SoR has done it anyone can do it as well. We are talking about large guilds and not individual players. The leaders of such guilds are level headed and looking for a challenge so they would listen to what the servers have to say because in the end they want to be welcomed there and to be part of the community. It is amusing to think otherwise.
I don’t see how that refutes my point, and everyone has turned away transfers at this point. BT and IRON did their research, neither SoR or BG had final say on their transfers.
Any guilds looking to transfer to T1 can ascertain on their own the strength of each server. MOS is brilliant that way. It’s JQ’s responsibility to appeal to potential tranfers, if they want any, in the community sense.
I have not heard of any guilds that were turned down by BG and/or recommend them to join a different server. Please do not take this the wrong way but, unfortunately, beyond explanations or excuses it reflects the server image and it is only up to BG to change that or not.
Its called a Black hole for the sole fact that many guilds go there only to have their players A) move guilds B.) quit the game C) convert to pve
Some of this is caused by guilds who started bleeding long before they decided to move to BG. The move just put the nail in the coffin. Had they moved sooner, they may have survived. Had they not moved, they may have survived. The thing is, however, it became a almost ritualistic occurrence on BG, hence the nickname the Black hole.
D.) Continuing to recruit guilds, when they already have proper coverage
Start sending all guilds that approach you to JQ/TC and that name will go away, but until then we will all continue to call your server The Black Hole.
SoR is in first, but BG should send players over to JQ?
We finally have equal coverage between BG and SoR, but BG should send players to JQ?
You logic good.
lol, your logic is even better.
BG is within 13k points from 1st
JQ is 40k from 1st.
Now which one of those servers do you think needs a little more coverage?
Wait. So assuming it’s equal coverage as you say between us, BG should be the server to send guilds to JQ? I’m not following.
It’s very simple, just follow SoR example. We have already recommended potential guilds to join BG and JQ instead of SoR.
We’ve been doing that for a while, once somewhat recently, and back when Lalyn was around, he handled that thing for the top 4 tiers.
The fact of the matter is that BG has no control over anyone wanting to transfer here.
They either want to transfer here to be here, specifically on BG, for friends or whatever, and we can’t turn them away.
Or they’re like IRON and come for the WvW, and can make an educated transfer themselves.
Implying that BG has final say on anyone’s transfers is amusing, to say the least. And a testament to the lengths some go to besmirch the server.
No it’s not. SoR has done it anyone can do it as well. We are talking about large guilds and not individual players. The leaders of such guilds are level headed and looking for a challenge so they would listen to what the servers have to say because in the end they want to be welcomed there and to be part of the community. It is amusing to think otherwise.
I think its funny you would expect or want BG to push guilds to JQ. BG has not had a recruitment thread for quite a long time (as far I can remember) yet guild choose to come here. Whats best for the tier is always discussed but in the end the guild has final say on were to go. If a guild decides to come to BG over somewhere, it in BG’s best interest to support that guild as it is now part of our community.
Not really. I have not yet seen a guild that would push it’s will over a server. The guilds are scouting servers and talking to the leaders on that server, that is the time when recommendations are made. For example, when BT approached SoR we have made the recommendation to join BG instead for the sake of the N/A time balance. It’s just a matter of server’s perception and decision to either keep engulfing guilds or help out to keep fights challenging.
SoR is in first, but BG should send players over to JQ?
We finally have equal coverage between BG and SoR, but BG should send players to JQ?
You logic good.
lol, your logic is even better.
BG is within 13k points from 1st
JQ is 40k from 1st.
Now which one of those servers do you think needs a little more coverage?
Wait. So assuming it’s equal coverage as you say between us, BG should be the server to send guilds to JQ? I’m not following.
It’s very simple, just follow SoR example. We have already recommended potential guilds to join BG and JQ instead of SoR.
Sure it does seem to be brought up most often about a particular guild, but it’s still a small sub-set of the server. Sometimes you just have to shake it off and hope they stop using cheesy tactics or hope Anet fixes it.
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I think the answer should be submit a ticket and do not post it here.
Anything beyond that it’s just the same thing.
Lets keep it clean guys! Great fights Everyone!
I actually think it’s great if SoR & JQ 2v1’s Blackgate and I hope it happens more often
It’ll be interesting to see what happens to SoR when JQ isn’t there. I know JQ still remembers what happened when they didn’t have SoR in their match-up last week…
Nothing new under the sun. Just to take the guessing part out, I wish you were here over the last matchups when the 2v1 was official against SoR because we actually asked for it.
The results can be viewed here: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/41
I actually laughed reading todays episode of “GW2 Days of our Lives.” Some of you grown men and women should probably ease up a bit though. I see some pretty tense issues that may have risen up in recent times in reading some of these posts. Perhaps it was in the phase 2 developmental stage of being an infant. See, the anal stage is 18 months to 3 1/2 years. If this is tampered with during this time, it can have adverse affects on one’s development. This is all highschool psychology class, so I figure most here can relate to what I’m talking about. Perhaps it is time to, “let it go, move on, maybe…cry it out?”
In any case, there were a couple of posts from a couple of SoR members that truly made me laugh, thanks.
Jed out
I do not think that Freud was born in 1836 but I completely agree about moving on. At the same time in my opinion for the most part the posts have become more instructive and engaging. Awesome fights guys, it really makes me proud to be a part of this.
Why would SoR complain about a 2v1? I’m not going to say there is or isn’t one, I’m not really interested in a endless argument that no one is going to win but if in fact SoR and JQ are in a 2v1 vs BG why would SoR complain about it? Because of it SoR gets a win because JQ can’t. Also notably SoR is being overly defensive on the subject and seems to be desperately trying to convince everyone that there isn’t one. Sound like there is something to hide. If there is, that is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Intersting twist, the main question really is, why is BG complaining about 2v1?
I have already said before that this is the most competitive matchup that all 3 servers can have at the moment. Any of the servers can win.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose
And don’t you know that life is just a game
That you play, win or lose, it’s all the same .
Well from a spectators point of view if there is enough complaints because of 1 issue, their normally is a reason behind it. It’s quite obvious, based on our servers past, BG would be more inclined to complain over a 2v1 as it seems to be whats happening. I’m not saying there IS one but from BG’s perspective there is which is always up for debate as each server will see the battle differently.
Realistically there is no way to really settle this argument but I would still like to see a BG/SoR/not JQ match to see what happens. Even though that still wouldn’t completely settle the issue.
There is no such rule but there is a majority rule which is SoR and JQ in this case. Realistically that should settle the argument.
Why would SoR complain about a 2v1? I’m not going to say there is or isn’t one, I’m not really interested in a endless argument that no one is going to win but if in fact SoR and JQ are in a 2v1 vs BG why would SoR complain about it? Because of it SoR gets a win because JQ can’t. Also notably SoR is being overly defensive on the subject and seems to be desperately trying to convince everyone that there isn’t one. Sound like there is something to hide. If there is, that is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Intersting twist, the main question really is, why is BG complaining about 2v1?
I have already said before this is the most competitive matchup that all 3 servers can have at the moment. Any of the servers can win.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose
And don’t you know that life is just a game
That you play, win or lose, it’s all the same .
We’ve all heard the complaints from SoR when BG was beating your server for a good 16 weeks. So far you’ve only heard Blackgates QQ for 7 weeks, try to be a bit more patient with them :P
SoR never complained as a majority and it’s a fact not hearsay. The reality is that majority of BG complains about both JQ and SoR so that counts as double.
The difference is not only that we have always overcome all the adversities but we got more motivated fighting against the stronger odds.
I think this is the best matchup that all 3 servers can have at the moment so let bygones be bygones and enjoy the fights.
That is funny going all the way back there trying to find something about SoR complaining just proves my point. I don’t see anything about an SoR majority complaining about 2v1 there. I agree this is a fun week
I only used the 111k post when a JQ member decided to bad mouth BG. Other than that I’ve been really nice to them & how is that trolling? It’s not like I’m lieing lol
Who are you anyway? Your post history is so fresh it still has that new car smell. I’m a little afraid to read anything you write, what time frame was it that you were bought and devoured by The Black Hole?
I’m Kathy K.6812, I recently bought a Bugatti. Now that you know me perhaps we can be friends? :P This entire “Black Hole” reference should be taken as a compliment.
Blackgate is such an attractive server, guilds decide to go there out of all the other 23 servers & stay until the end.
I also personally think that it sounds a lot better than Beastgate, but thats just me
Death by Black Hole… When scientifically investigating the natural world, the only thing worse than a blind believer is a seeing denier.
Great Fights Guys, love those wxp ranks keep them coming!
You act as though guilds only die in Blackgate, well whatever happened to that huge guild from SoR [SYN] (think it was Synapse)?
Oh yeah they died off; now it looks like SoR has got a Blackhole of their own.
Every server has had a guild that stopped playing gw2 & moved on or just quit entirely and SoR is no exception to that.
I wasn’t acting but quoting from the Death by Black Hole. I apologize for any misunderstanding but it is complementary to the Black Hole reference.
We’ve all heard the complaints from SoR when BG was beating your server for a good 16 weeks. So far you’ve only heard Blackgates QQ for 7 weeks, try to be a bit more patient with them :P
SoR never complained as a majority and it’s a fact not hearsay. The reality is that majority of BG complains about both JQ and SoR so that counts as double.
The difference is not only that we have always overcome all the adversities but we got more motivated fighting against the stronger odds.
I think this is the best matchup that all 3 servers can have at the moment so let bygones be bygones and enjoy the fights.
I only used the 111k post when a JQ member decided to bad mouth BG. Other than that I’ve been really nice to them & how is that trolling? It’s not like I’m lieing lol
Who are you anyway? Your post history is so fresh it still has that new car smell. I’m a little afraid to read anything you write, what time frame was it that you were bought and devoured by The Black Hole?
I’m Kathy K.6812, I recently bought a Bugatti. Now that you know me perhaps we can be friends? :P This entire “Black Hole” reference should be taken as a compliment.
Blackgate is such an attractive server, guilds decide to go there out of all the other 23 servers & stay until the end.
I also personally think that it sounds a lot better than Beastgate, but thats just me
Death by Black Hole… When scientifically investigating the natural world, the only thing worse than a blind believer is a seeing denier.
Great Fights Guys, love those wxp ranks keep them coming!
NOBODY discusses roaming groups or small ops. Hurts my soul that the WvW end-game is just blob v. blob with no consideration for small groups or solo players, even in discussion.
You’re doing it wrong.
Move to tier 7 or 8, somewhere at the bottom.
So what I gather from these posts is that BG enjoyed last week because they won by 111k? Sounds like you guys just like winning :/
Blackgate not only plays to win, they play to have fun also… The two go hand-in-hand on that server.
Not talking about BG. Was just talking about you guys and your dislike of facing SoR and the utter glee you had in your last match up, which I hear was won by a very large margin. What I was simply noting is that you don’t want to fight the server that was number 1 in t1, but you both took comfort in the fact that you had become that same ‘monster’ in the eyes of the other two servers. Not only this, but you gloated over this, which made it even worse!
I enjoy the match up win or loss. In it for the battles. Sure, sometimes it is tough when you lose, but it gets boring winning all the time and above all what we should all be looking forward to the most is a challenge. Which is why I think its great that RG is back, even if somehow they flipped things in JQ’s favour and they become the top dog (which I don’t think will happen but meh).
Have fun y’all~~
Thanks, you to
I agree, hopefully we get to play the same matchup a few weeks in a row.
Beastgate feeds off the hate…and uncrustables. Oh, and sorry about the pug group last night Choo and TDub…we didn’t know we were so good in GvGs. 6-1 where’s Red Guard at?!?!
Welcome back! I haven’t seen you around ever since last time BG start winning. I also hope that Red Guard joins SoR to balance BG’s new recruitment.
SOR doesn’t belong on the same battlefield with JQ or BG. My god better hope they get a tier 4 server again next week. At least this week they have been getting ALOT of practice in running away. They should be in good shape by the end of the week. RETREAT RETREAT!!!!
What’s a tier? That word doesn’t exist in the present Guild Wars 2 dictionary.
I know we are all supposed to hate each other, but in the end, we missed JQ/SoR
Fighting anything in the lower tiers is to mind numbing. Last week it got to the point where we PVDoored Gates until we did a full circle and started throwing rams up on our own towers in a mindless zerg
glad to have you all back with Blackgate as one disfunctional family
Lets face it, we are good for eachother
That being said, we can now continue to let 20 people from all 3 servers create a 40 page thread of trolling, so please resume
[MERC] Gallimar
I completely agree, this is the most competitive matchup for all 3 servers at the moment. Hopefully it lasts more than 1 week at the time as well before more people get bored and decide to take a vacation or do something else more challenging.
Honestly guys while some might perceive this as boring having to fight the same servers but this is the most competitive matchup at the moment. I take this everyday over a boring steamroll.
WC and Klovan back to back 2v1. RISE: “No problem”
were did you go? it seems that you pussed out and left after claiming victory from a few wipes.
I was falling asleep out of boredom because y’all (JQ and SoR) converted to lootbags so easy or just plain ran every time. Eventually had to log when the only way we could wipe was running into your spawn’s Legendary Defenders. Think the same went for the rest of us. Thanks for trying, though (I know, Tysm was outnumbered; you guys had ~25 guys tops).
This is funny, considering the reality was actually the opposite since we had the BG keep and you were trying to treb it from your spawn so we had to push to take the trebs out. Fun times!
Great fights Guys!
I’ve a feeling that if it’s JQ/BG/SoR, one SoR guild will get TW, which means GvGs all night reset…
Also if that were to happen I would feel sorry if the enemy decided to attack interrupting a GvG
“Omg sor has 200 man zerg on multiple servers?!?!”
One thing that concerns me about the new sytem matchup is people getting bored and start doing something else or looking for something more challenging outside of the respective matchup. As a result the server can gradually lose focus and wvw participation. On the other hand it is possible that servers which do not pull back their punches and thrive from complete domination could maintain the same presence or more and grow stronger.
I hope this newly revitalized BG gets matched up with SOR next week to see what type of coverage the fairweathers can bring you guys.
I hope we get matched up against SOR WITHOUT JQ. Its clear now that JQ without SOR isn’t close to BG score wise (most of the rating we have gained is from them, NOT from DB) because last week the scores were almost dead even, and now we are decimating them.
I think there will be a similar effect if we face SOR without JQ.
It’s hard for me to know to make of this to be honest, other than the possibility that SoR tends to focus BG more than JQ. That can’t be the whole story though. Still, if it’s not JQ, then who? I’m not so sure the end result would change with a different 3rd server. I would be pretty interested in seeing how SoR v BG v TC would play out though.
I think when it is BG/JQ/SoR BG get sandwiched time zone wise. Our strength vs JQ (EU and NA) got cancelled by SoR while our strength against SoR (SEA) got canceled by JQ. It would be interesting how the fight goes against SoR without JQ indeed:)
Actually, just for the record was mostly the other way around for various reasons JQ SEA would focus SoR more than BG. Especially with Waha and Indo keep challenging each other. We can make all kinds of assumptions but the truth is SoR beat BG for 5 weeks in a row fair and square without anybody’s help.
Well at least we know the “BG’s strength vs JQ (EU and NA) got cancelled by SoR” part is true given this week’s results. It would be interesting to see how a SoR vs BG fight without JQ would go, it’s highly possible SoR would still win giving your dominance in EU and early NA.
Actually you do not know the BG’s strength vs JQ after only one week and also against DB.
JQ and DB would naturally tend to focus each other more than BG.
Also, as some would hope in a SoR v BG v TC matchup the chances are BG and TC would focus SoR more. I would love to see us taking a shot at being decimated in a SoR v BG v T8 server.
Did you just call TC a “T8 Server” or am I misunderstanding?
Hehe, yes you are misunderstanding. He really wants 1v1 with SoR v BG, and having a T8 server as the third is the closest to that.
Thanks for the clarification!
He is right.
I wonder if we could arrange with ANet an SoR v BG matchup to settle this thing once and for all.
I hope this newly revitalized BG gets matched up with SOR next week to see what type of coverage the fairweathers can bring you guys.
I hope we get matched up against SOR WITHOUT JQ. Its clear now that JQ without SOR isn’t close to BG score wise (most of the rating we have gained is from them, NOT from DB) because last week the scores were almost dead even, and now we are decimating them.
I think there will be a similar effect if we face SOR without JQ.
It’s hard for me to know to make of this to be honest, other than the possibility that SoR tends to focus BG more than JQ. That can’t be the whole story though. Still, if it’s not JQ, then who? I’m not so sure the end result would change with a different 3rd server. I would be pretty interested in seeing how SoR v BG v TC would play out though.
I think when it is BG/JQ/SoR BG get sandwiched time zone wise. Our strength vs JQ (EU and NA) got cancelled by SoR while our strength against SoR (SEA) got canceled by JQ. It would be interesting how the fight goes against SoR without JQ indeed:)
Actually, just for the record was mostly the other way around for various reasons JQ SEA would focus SoR more than BG. Especially with Waha and Indo keep challenging each other. We can make all kinds of assumptions but the truth is SoR beat BG for 5 weeks in a row fair and square without anybody’s help.
