Does it? I mean for example if you are a sylvari will there be some difference or is not addressed?
So if the commander was there could he have defeated Mordremoth?
Intelligent maybe but the reason he even won against Zaitan was because his second in command did all the work what was he even thinking in attacking a elder dragon without all of his commanders especially the best one.
Would the pact have won the first time. Commander I mean the player character instead of Traherne.
I am saying this because the Commander is as strong as a elder dragon champion well stronger actually since he killed one 1 vs 1 so could he have managed?
gameplay=/=story meaning we have no creativity so we are gonna break the lore and we are gonna go by the rule of cool.
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I always considered the value of a game the value per hour of my first job when I was in college. So I won 200$ a month working 48 hours a week. So I will have to spend a total of 96 hours in this game to get my moneys worth. Which is not gonna happen because I do not grind for things I do not need legendaries. I play only for the story and maybe try the dungeon once. That will take me at most 10 hours.
single player games are your best bet then mate they are made for players that play like that.
I wanna feel legendary and killing by myself a elder dragon counts as that. I really hope they will not go the zaithan route. The combat in this game is magnificent the bosses in the story at least in chapter 2 where more difficult them almost all single player games except dark souls. But the rest sucks with the dungeons sucking the least. But yeah I only play GW2 for the feel of being legendary in combat.
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I always considered the value of a game the value per hour of my first job when I was in college. So I won 200$ a month working 48 hours a week. So I will have to spend a total of 96 hours in this game to get my moneys worth. Which is not gonna happen because I do not grind for things I do not need legendaries. I play only for the story and maybe try the dungeon once. That will take me at most 10 hours.
I would have thought this will become a debated topic but you can not argue with the truth.
Zhaitan’s corruption comes from holding onto/using a corrupted artifact, having corrupted essence directly infused/entering, or being brought back from the dead.
We really lucked out because we never got hit by any of those ;P.
Jormag lures you in and has you willingly join him for the most part, and branded are… weird.
When I made this post I was thinking the branded actually made by that elder dragon with a very long and hard name. Why could no one give archvillans easy names like Josh, or Alex. Elder Dragon Josh its easier to remember.
Yes we know why a sylvari character can resist it and dies when exposed to direct contact. But what about the other races the boss can be? While he was never exposed to a direct attack of corruption from a elder dragon he went to a lot of corrupted places that could corrupt him and I mean a lot more so then any other. So how come he resisted if he was not sylvari?
I just read a article that there is a theory that ESO going from subscricption to f2p was a smart business decision. On short they got a huge profit going subscription based for a couple of months and when the hype went away instead of keeping the subscription and losing costumers and money they went f2p and got a huge influx of new players and of course profit.
The point is they had the intention of going f2p from the start they just wanted to maximize profit.
Why did ESO went f2p it had a ton of content one of the best pvp in the industry.PVE was great so why?
Is it maybe because the market can only sustain a few subscription MMO?
Some prove it some disprove it. The subscription model has a high chance of failing.
Well the F2P model is more profitable as I shown they could make profit without charging for the expansion probably even more. People keep telling me that Anet knows best but I doubt that so much.
According to the forum the sales will not be huge.Could be, but that’s not their business model so whatever you think you have shown isn’t relevant. Anet knows enough to run a game for 3 years, and likely more than that … and that’s enough. If you doubt, you haven’t considered all the factors here; primarily the fact that real businesses like NCSoft are still behind the game.
Furthermore, if you think forums is an indicator of anything, I question your experience with MMO’s in general.
Then check reddit its the second most popular topic the first being about builds.
Here, let me repeat this replacing Forums wtih Reddit:
… if you think Reddit is an indicator of anything, I question your experience with MMO’s in general. I don’t believe a significant portion of the MMO people actual ‘play’ on the forum, reddit, whatever you can think of. Many people just play in game. In addition, people who are happy with the game will be less apt to make a post about it than someone who is not; therefore, you will see the majority of threads and posts being negative. The forum is biased this way. Think about it a minute.
I0 don’t even get the relevance of your anecdote about SWTOR; GW2 has always been F2P and better than how SWTOR does it now. GW2 didn’t have to be reborn to F2P to survive like SWTOR; it had a sound business model right out of the gate and will continue to do so because reasonable people understand how cheap it is to play and like the content, the mechanics, etc…
Do you have any idea how many people do you need to be significant from lets say 3 million players that play the game?Its not even 1% its that small even smaller. do you think all those studies for all kind of crap like how many adults pick their nose are made to millions? no they are made to a couple of thousands actually 1000 and only hundreds of answers could be used from hundreds of millions.
That is only true if the sample you use has about the same demographic composition as the population you are studying.
So between age X and Y with % being male and % female and other factors. But why would the forum have only people on the extreme? Like a bigger % being between age X are on the forum then they are in the game a way bigger percentage.
Happy customers don’t post as much as customers who want something from the place they are buying from.
And an unhappy customer would most likely also make alot more posts.
Just think for yourself, if you were completely happy with the game and the price set, would you have made the same amount of posts as you did now? I really doubt that.That’s why generally a forum like this is filled with more people with complaints than those without.
Would all unhappy costumers post or only a small population of them? Most players simply do not engage in forum and reddit and other things. I do not know why is that but it is what it is. Just because they do not say anything it does not mean they are happy with the price it just means that. Its something about the majority actually wanting to avoid conflict. Even in the most repressed and unhappy societies only a small portion of them actually do something.
Example in my country before I was born there was ratio on food and energy people starved and it was for the majority of the population meaning tens of millions but only thousands well hundreds of thousands actually did something about it and changed the repressive leadership
It is what it is most people avoid conflict.
Well the F2P model is more profitable as I shown they could make profit without charging for the expansion probably even more. People keep telling me that Anet knows best but I doubt that so much.
According to the forum the sales will not be huge.Could be, but that’s not their business model so whatever you think you have shown isn’t relevant. Anet knows enough to run a game for 3 years, and likely more than that … and that’s enough. If you doubt, you haven’t considered all the factors here; primarily the fact that real businesses like NCSoft are still behind the game.
Furthermore, if you think forums is an indicator of anything, I question your experience with MMO’s in general.
Then check reddit its the second most popular topic the first being about builds.
Here, let me repeat this replacing Forums wtih Reddit:
… if you think Reddit is an indicator of anything, I question your experience with MMO’s in general. I don’t believe a significant portion of the MMO people actual ‘play’ on the forum, reddit, whatever you can think of. Many people just play in game. In addition, people who are happy with the game will be less apt to make a post about it than someone who is not; therefore, you will see the majority of threads and posts being negative. The forum is biased this way. Think about it a minute.
I0 don’t even get the relevance of your anecdote about SWTOR; GW2 has always been F2P and better than how SWTOR does it now. GW2 didn’t have to be reborn to F2P to survive like SWTOR; it had a sound business model right out of the gate and will continue to do so because reasonable people understand how cheap it is to play and like the content, the mechanics, etc…
Do you have any idea how many people do you need to be significant from lets say 3 million players that play the game?Its not even 1% its that small even smaller. do you think all those studies for all kind of crap like how many adults pick their nose are made to millions? no they are made to a couple of thousands actually 1000 and only hundreds of answers could be used from hundreds of millions.
That is only true if the sample you use has about the same demographic composition as the population you are studying.
So between age X and Y with % being male and % female and other factors. But why would the forum have only people on the extreme? Like a bigger % being between age X are on the forum then they are in the game a way bigger percentage.
Cross-Examine Expansion Content+ Prices
Blizzard: Wow Expansion:Warlords of Draenor
Standard Price- 29.99$
Deluxe Edition Price- 49.99$
- Price does not include annual $180/year access fee divided into 12 payments.
————————-Square Enix: Expansion: FINAL FANTASY XIV: Heavensward
Digital Collection Edition – 44.99 E$
Physical Collection Edition – 129.99 E$
- Price does not include $155 – $180/year access fee, depending on model.
1. Artbook
2. Additional Content Disk
3. Dragon Mount Figure
Arena net Expansion: Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thrones
Standard Price- 49.99$ Base Game
Deluxe Edition- 74.99$
Ultimate Edition : 99.99$
- No annual fees required for access.
Why do you not compare it with SWTOR also. People do not have to pay 1 years of subscription they could pay only 1 month and in some cases its a option of the expansion to have 1 month of subscription included.Was there not a study that showed a increase in the number of subscribers during expansions and then drop sharply after the first few months?
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Well the F2P model is more profitable as I shown they could make profit without charging for the expansion probably even more. People keep telling me that Anet knows best but I doubt that so much.
According to the forum the sales will not be huge.Could be, but that’s not their business model so whatever you think you have shown isn’t relevant. Anet knows enough to run a game for 3 years, and likely more than that … and that’s enough. If you doubt, you haven’t considered all the factors here; primarily the fact that real businesses like NCSoft are still behind the game.
Furthermore, if you think forums is an indicator of anything, I question your experience with MMO’s in general.
Then check reddit its the second most popular topic the first being about builds.
Here, let me repeat this replacing Forums wtih Reddit:
… if you think Reddit is an indicator of anything, I question your experience with MMO’s in general. I don’t believe a significant portion of the MMO people actual ‘play’ on the forum, reddit, whatever you can think of. Many people just play in game. In addition, people who are happy with the game will be less apt to make a post about it than someone who is not; therefore, you will see the majority of threads and posts being negative. The forum is biased this way. Think about it a minute.
I0 don’t even get the relevance of your anecdote about SWTOR; GW2 has always been F2P and better than how SWTOR does it now. GW2 didn’t have to be reborn to F2P to survive like SWTOR; it had a sound business model right out of the gate and will continue to do so because reasonable people understand how cheap it is to play and like the content, the mechanics, etc…
Do you have any idea how many people do you need to be significant from lets say 3 million players that play the game?Its not even 1% its that small even smaller. do you think all those studies for all kind of crap like how many adults pick their nose are made to millions? no they are made to a couple of thousands actually 1000 and only hundreds of answers could be used from hundreds of millions.
Also in another thread if you wanna watch you will see that GW2 had very very small sales after the first year.
Well the F2P model is more profitable as I shown they could make profit without charging for the expansion probably even more. People keep telling me that Anet knows best but I doubt that so much.
According to the forum the sales will not be huge.Could be, but that’s not their business model so whatever you think you have shown isn’t relevant. Anet knows enough to run a game for 3 years, and likely more than that … and that’s enough. If you doubt, you haven’t considered all the factors here; primarily the fact that real businesses like NCSoft are still behind the game.
Furthermore, if you think forums is an indicator of anything, I question your experience with MMO’s in general.
Then check reddit its the second most popular topic the first being about builds.And yes I did not had overwhelming experience with MMO just 3 SWTOR, GW2 and Neverwinter online and in SWTOR people told them that the game is boring for end game and when most will get there the game will lose subscribers. They said give more content for end game they did not listen and after 1 year when the hype was over they announced going F2P because that was the only way they could make profit since subscriptions where not enough. Sure it has the worst F2P model but one thing is sure they still survive and expand making small expansion once or twice a year and making them free when the a new expansion appears.
I’m not opposed to a business making a profit. If each of us owned a business we would want fair compensation for our product. I understand that. So I am torn. In our family there are five active players. everyone says oh it’s only 50.00. no it is not. for us it is 250.00. who gets it who doesn’t? of course the kids will come first, but 50.00 a month is hard enough to swing who do we tell they can’t have the added bonus of the preorders. and don’t tell me they are kids they’ll get over it. paleeeeessse. one more thing of you like them better that’s why…even if you pull names from a hat. shivitz I need a pre-order automatic payment plan of 25 bucks a month for 10 months.
the family group is even bigger. 17 in all play this game and we are all in the same fix. we enjoy the family time together, even thou our laptops are hand me downs and refix to the point we don’t even attempt pvp and WvW is a risk to get yelled at constantly from other players who don’t understand keys get stuck. or i’m not hopping cause I want to. still the game is fun. 50 bucks is reasonable for an expansion to bring in corporate revenue. I agree but 250? I don’t think folks who are having live on-line discussions are really addressing the appropriate topic. yes 50.00 is reasonable but when a family is buying even two or more that reasonable price is quickly fluttering out the window. we left WOW because of the pricing. I always encourage the family to buy gems in game when they can, at least on person a month saying people and investors on the other end have to get paid or the game will go away…..but…you’ve put me in a pickle.
Well the F2P model is more profitable as I shown they could make profit without charging for the expansion probably even more. People keep telling me that Anet knows best but I doubt that so much.
According to the forum the sales will not be huge.
that’s a laptop chip ….as a desktop card …forgetabout it. i’m sure of this.
laptop chip’s are worse then their desktop counterparts because of the size and cooldown problems. If a gt 720m can do that a not m can do more. Granted do not expect more than barley decent performance at 1080p.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-720/specifications
This what a not m can do.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-720M.90247.0.html
and this what m can do.
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That is not true I can play this game at around 40-60 fps with a gt 720m you know for laptop and the desktop ones are way better. Hell I can even play Dragon age:Inqusition at 30 fps by lowering the resolution at 720p.
Guys wow… I would love to live in USA if it is so cheap to build a PC there. We in Europe certainly can’t build gaming PC so cheaply… A decent graphic card alone costs like 250€… that is like 280 dollars I think. And if you are not from the Germany, Britain, or a few other western countries, 250€ is a lot for 1 component :P
Who said USA and what is decent I wonder as long as that graphic card supports direct x 11 its enough for all games. If it does not work for 1080p there is always 720p, or 800×600. Like a lot of the GT series you know without the X are quite cheap at 70 dollars the 700 series and even cheaper the 600 series under 50 dollars. There even cheaper then a video game.
Asia without the middle east is where the majority of profit for all the MMO industry is gained. The rest of the world does not even equal Asia without the middle east.
But any of you wondered why? I mean sure there are more people there then in the rest of world but the overwhelming majority are poor compared to the one considered poor in the western world and former comunist countries and even more then half of the Muslim countries.
We in the west if you consider Eastern Europe also part of the west has more disposable income way more disposable income and yet we do not bring even half the profit Asia without middles east does.
The reason in my personal opinion is because we do not make MMO’s available to almost all in the western world. For the poor in the western world they are to expensive even if the poor here are better then the middle class in most of Asia without the middle east.The really poor can’t buy a PC.
So it’s a realy strange idea.. omg, the poor can’t spend $50,- so now they can’t buy HoT to play on their >$600,- PC.
More like 200$ and I do not mean the really poor but the ones that are considered poor that get at least 500$ a month money that in other countries is middle class.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Steam-Survey-Most-PC-Gamers-Have-Weaker-PCs-Than-PS4-Xbox-One-58833.html
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If you owned a piece of Anet or were employed in their business development group, what you think might matter.
More a piece of NCSoft but that would not matter. Either way because my posts where not deleted or got a warn or anything they do not seems to be opposed to what I think.
Also how do you know its does not matter all the time things change because of player feedback.
And yes they do have half of players in Asia from at most 3 million active player. Yes Anet did something right in Asia but they did not got a hit. After all they got 3 million sales in a country with over 100 million mmo players.
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You’re points don’t seem relevant. The game is priced according to according to a business model. If the economic situation of any individual doesn’t allow them to play GW2, they don’t play it, regardless of the country they live in. If Anet’s model is correct, they have already priced the game according to the game’s current demographic, which would include the Asian markets as well as the NA ones.
Is the model correct? I do not think so.
These comparisons are really quite irrelevant and obviously cherrypicked to make the cases of the people presenting them. If pennies per hour of entertainment is too rich for people, then I have to question how they can afford to eat or pay rent.
If you don’t want to pay for the expansion, then don’t. It’s not necessary to justify on the forum why you won’t. If you can’t pay for the expansion, then you have larger life issues than access to it.
Let me tell you something about Asian culture they are people who do not move out of their parents house until they get married and they get married late. And that is mainly only for the second or third child if there is one and for girls. The first born will stay with his parents and his own family. Imagine this you can not feed yourself and pay rent by yourself but when there are 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 members living in the same home that is gonna be possible.
And you do not have larger life issues how its a issue when most live like you? Its only a issue when not being able to afford GW2 is the exception not the rule.
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Prices for food and other necesities and some luxuries are way lower there so people can afford them with the paycheck they get there. 500 dollars a month in USA means you are poor and have issues 500 dollars a month in China means you are a well of middle class.I don’t think Asian culture or economic differences drives Anet’s decision to price their game … at a reasonable price point I might add. the fact is that the game is not made in Asia, so the business model that dictates it’s price is not relevant to what happens in Asia or what Asians think is expensive/cheap.
I am sure its made in Asia and around half of GW2 players are Asian.
I’m pretty sure it’s not: Anet’s corporate HQ address: 3180 139th Avenue SE, Suite 500, Bellevue WA 98005. If you check any of the job postings, it mentions all those positions are in the studio in Bellevue.
That’s not in Asia.
Furthermore, if as much as half of GW2’s population is Asian, living in Asia making Asia wages, then there really isn’t a problem with the price of the game for Asian people.
That is because the price of GW2 in Asia is way cheaper like 14.12 USD and they still only had like only 3 million sales there. You know a place that has a bigger population then the rest of the world.
I also want to to add that around half of the countries where the price of GW2:Heart of Thorn is what it is do not have better wages then the ones in China. I assume that people from countries like Vietnam and India can buy the game for China prices if they can.
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These comparisons are really quite irrelevant and obviously cherrypicked to make the cases of the people presenting them. If pennies per hour of entertainment is too rich for people, then I have to question how they can afford to eat or pay rent.
If you don’t want to pay for the expansion, then don’t. It’s not necessary to justify on the forum why you won’t. If you can’t pay for the expansion, then you have larger life issues than access to it.
Let me tell you something about Asian culture they are people who do not move out of their parents house until they get married and they get married late. And that is mainly only for the second or third child if there is one and for girls. The first born will stay with his parents and his own family. Imagine this you can not feed yourself and pay rent by yourself but when there are 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 members living in the same home that is gonna be possible.
And you do not have larger life issues how its a issue when most live like you? Its only a issue when not being able to afford GW2 is the exception not the rule.
Edit to add things:
Prices for food and other necesities and some luxuries are way lower there so people can afford them with the paycheck they get there. 500 dollars a month in USA means you are poor and have issues 500 dollars a month in China means you are a well of middle class.I don’t think Asian culture or economic differences drives Anet’s decision to price their game … at a reasonable price point I might add. the fact is that the game is not made in Asia, so the business model that dictates it’s price is not relevant to what happens in Asia or what Asians think is expensive/cheap.
I am sure its made in Asia and around half of GW2 players are Asian.
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To add to your later comment its all about if you are middle class, where you live in what country etc. For any of us 50$ is not a problem for most gamers on this planet it is and yes I mean most mmo gamers.
It sucks to say this but pretty much the elite of gamers can afford to play this game.
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Actually 5 or 6 of the 10 are competitive Multiplayer team games. The other 4 or5 are not. And from the 4 of them all only WOW is B2P.
I really do not know if Counter Strike online has such has a presence in esports events.
http://mmos.com/editorials/most-profitable-mmos-mmorpgs
This is the list of the most profitable MMO there are and I will ask you this if any is gonna wanna watch it. What do most of those games have in common?Not being MMOs? ^^
No their massively multiplayer online games note the lack of RPG.
http://mmos.com/editorials/most-profitable-mmos-mmorpgs
This is the list of the most profitable MMO there are and I will ask you this if any is gonna wanna watch it. What do most of those games have in common?
Please let me know what happens to my GW2 if i am unable to afford expansion pack but wish to carry on playing GW2
I can’t believe that this expansion is pricing players out of the game. This game is truly becoming an art for elitists. Not just in price but in in- game politics too.
My heart simply saddens the more I learn about Heart of Thorns, as these thorns have truly scratched this gaming community. This will become a thorn in everyone’s side.
I can’t believe that there are people in the world without the money management skills to be able to afford to save up $50 over the course of the several months that it will take for HoT to release.
If you can’t afford to buy HoT, you likely have far more pressing things to be focusing on than playing GW2
The world is a big place and in some countries people get that much money after 8 days of work and that is in well off countries like Bulgaria and Russia in many others you need to work 1 month to get so many.
The life of those people should not be stress and struggle all the time they do not work less then any others and should relax with a video game also.There are plenty of F2P games on the market. GW2 is B2P and the quality of it reflects that.
Anet will not make concessions for people too poor to purchase their product, because the majority of people that play have the means to keep playing (The joys of a B2P game).
If you are genuinely struggling with money, you can stay with the base GW2 game, nothing’s forcing anyone to upgrade.
If you are on a low income but love and want to support the game, then save up and learn money management, it’s not hard to do. I’m on a low income myself but I manage my money well and can easily afford to buy GW2 HoT ultimate on top of regularly buying gems.
You know what the problem with quality is? It is subjective as art is. You can not say objectively that GW2 as B2P is better then a F2P .
As I mentioned in another topic the most profitable MMO is F2P and has ten’s of millions of active players.League gets it’s money from sponsorship deals and advertising contracts as well as ticket sales from it’s Esport events, it has almost nothing to do with the standard playerbase and everything to do with the pro scene.
Not sure what that has to do with what I’m saying, though.
Its not League of Legend that MMO I was reffering to. Also is not GW2 in the Esport thing?
These comparisons are really quite irrelevant and obviously cherrypicked to make the cases of the people presenting them. If pennies per hour of entertainment is too rich for people, then I have to question how they can afford to eat or pay rent.
If you don’t want to pay for the expansion, then don’t. It’s not necessary to justify on the forum why you won’t. If you can’t pay for the expansion, then you have larger life issues than access to it.
Let me tell you something about Asian culture they are people who do not move out of their parents house until they get married and they get married late. And that is mainly only for the second or third child if there is one and for girls. The first born will stay with his parents and his own family. Imagine this you can not feed yourself and pay rent by yourself but when there are 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 members living in the same home that is gonna be possible.
And you do not have larger life issues how its a issue when most live like you? Its only a issue when not being able to afford GW2 is the exception not the rule.
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Prices for food and other necesities and some luxuries are way lower there so people can afford them with the paycheck they get there. 500 dollars a month in USA means you are poor and have issues 500 dollars a month in China means you are a well of middle class.
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Please let me know what happens to my GW2 if i am unable to afford expansion pack but wish to carry on playing GW2
I can’t believe that this expansion is pricing players out of the game. This game is truly becoming an art for elitists. Not just in price but in in- game politics too.
My heart simply saddens the more I learn about Heart of Thorns, as these thorns have truly scratched this gaming community. This will become a thorn in everyone’s side.
I can’t believe that there are people in the world without the money management skills to be able to afford to save up $50 over the course of the several months that it will take for HoT to release.
If you can’t afford to buy HoT, you likely have far more pressing things to be focusing on than playing GW2
The world is a big place and in some countries people get that much money after 8 days of work and that is in well off countries like Bulgaria and Russia in many others you need to work 1 month to get so many.
The life of those people should not be stress and struggle all the time they do not work less then any others and should relax with a video game also.There are plenty of F2P games on the market. GW2 is B2P and the quality of it reflects that.
Anet will not make concessions for people too poor to purchase their product, because the majority of people that play have the means to keep playing (The joys of a B2P game).
If you are genuinely struggling with money, you can stay with the base GW2 game, nothing’s forcing anyone to upgrade.
If you are on a low income but love and want to support the game, then save up and learn money management, it’s not hard to do. I’m on a low income myself but I manage my money well and can easily afford to buy GW2 HoT ultimate on top of regularly buying gems.
You know what the problem with quality is? It is subjective as art is. You can not say objectively that GW2 as B2P is better then a F2P .
As I mentioned in another topic the most profitable MMO is F2P and has ten’s of millions of active players.
Please let me know what happens to my GW2 if i am unable to afford expansion pack but wish to carry on playing GW2
I can’t believe that this expansion is pricing players out of the game. This game is truly becoming an art for elitists. Not just in price but in in- game politics too.
My heart simply saddens the more I learn about Heart of Thorns, as these thorns have truly scratched this gaming community. This will become a thorn in everyone’s side.
I can’t believe that there are people in the world without the money management skills to be able to afford to save up $50 over the course of the several months that it will take for HoT to release.
If you can’t afford to buy HoT, you likely have far more pressing things to be focusing on than playing GW2
The world is a big place and in some countries people get that much money after 8 days of work and that is in well off countries like Bulgaria and Russia in many others you need to work 1 month to get so many.
The life of those people should not be stress and struggle all the time they do not work less then any others and should relax with a video game also.
Yes they are but even so computer hardware is pretty cheap everywhere. We have reached a point where with the price of 4 HOT expansions you can make yourself a desktop that can play any game on minimum on a not so good resolution.
Asia without the middle east is where the majority of profit for all the MMO industry is gained. The rest of the world does not even equal Asia without the middle east.
But any of you wondered why? I mean sure there are more people there then in the rest of world but the overwhelming majority are poor compared to the one considered poor in the western world and former comunist countries and even more then half of the Muslim countries.
We in the west if you consider Eastern Europe also part of the west has more disposable income way more disposable income and yet we do not bring even half the profit Asia without middles east does.
The reason in my personal opinion is because we do not make MMO’s available to almost all in the western world. For the poor in the western world they are to expensive even if the poor here are better then the middle class in most of Asia without the middle east.
You all do realize..that it isn’t only just up to Anet, for what they charge for their game right? NCSoft can pretty much tell Anet they have to do something or drop sponsoring their game altogether..yeah 50 bucks might seem high to a lot of people, but to me..50 is what I’ve always expected from GW expansions. GW1 expansions were 50 bucks, besides EoTN, so I didn’t expect any different. They’re constantly adding more content through living story. They will build on what HoT has and go from there. If anything, they should have added all LS episodes for free with the expansion so brand new players as well as players who came in before HoT, can get caught up on everything instead of having to buy them, to truly catch up.
I played GW1 since vanilla and I am one of the veterans who isn’t upset about the pre-purchase pricing. It is, what it is. I think people may be a bit premature with all their gripes, we will see what all there is in the expansion in time, and we will continue to see the story unfold through the expansion. There will continue to be content regardless of how much this expansion costs. It won’t release for quite a bit of time yet..Expect an August release if we go by the initial GW2 release.
If people really can’t spend 50 bucks on an expansion then they shouldn’t be gaming at all, honestly. Some PC games are going to cost 50 bucks expansion or not, anyway. The amount of content won’t matter, it just depends on the company developing the game. For console games, they usually cost 50 bucks for like a Playstation game and that game is all you get for good til they release another sequel to it that will cost another 50 bucks. Say you buy Assassins Creed, it cost you 50 bucks and you got maybe 100 hours of a first play through, all you have left for that game is to keep playing it over and over, with it never really changing. PC gaming is far cheaper than console gaming is, in regards to the games themselves, and also offer more.
I understand a lot of people think it’s unfair, but what is all this complaining really going to do anyway? They most likely cannot change their pricing but they can alter what they put into the package for pre-purchasing.
Nice only people from the middle class in the rich western world countries should game it seems. And the 10% from the not as rich second world world countries and only 1% from the third world countries because hey video gaming is for the fortunate, smart and hard working. If you do not have all 3 of them you do not deserve to game.
I find this to be unfair. Saying the game isn’t worth $50 because some people can’t afford it might make sense if the other two most popular MMOs weren’t both subscription that charged $15 a month plus the price of the game. So if you think $40 plus $15 a month is more expensive than $50 for a period of time longer than a year, you’d be wrong.
The cash shop is optional. Everything else in the game you can access for free. It’s not like some games where you buy areas, classes and races separately. It’s not like other games where if you don’t pay an “optional” monthly fee, you might as well not play at all. And it’s not like subscription games.
Guild Wars 2 is the cheapest MMO to play without some sort of ‘catch’, at least as far as the current AAA MMOs go.
If you’re only looking at the price of the box and nothing else, maybe you’d have a point.
So the most popular MMO being WOW who has 10 million players out of 1.2 billion people that play video games on this planet. Maybe this will put things in perspective.
I will change some with the overwhelming majority.
The most popular MMO is Dungeon Fighter Online not WOW and guess what kind of subscription plan it has?Is Dungeon Fighter a AAA MMO? I didn’t think so. If you think you can get more value out of it go ahead.
A Prius and a Lexus are both cars, but I know which one I’d rather have. I’m comparing the top 3 MMO with each other. You’ve got to compare the whole package or nothing at all.
So what if its not a AAA MMO its still the biggest MMO in player population and in profit. Just because you are a AAA MMO you need to have a worse payment model and less profit?
Yep you are right and around 700 million of those over 1.2 billion people play MMO and the most popular of them are free to play with no subscription or pay for the expansions and yet one gets 1 billion a year and the other 897 million a year.
WTF is wrong with MMO its clear that you can make more profit if you are not greedy.
Edit to add more:
Dungeon Fighter Online has achieved over 3 million concurrent users during its peak in August 24, 2012 in China alone according to data released by Nexon.And these games profit predominately from micro transactions. And yes, the transactions are not mandatory but dollar per dollar are more expensive than the ones than Black Lion Gem Store purchases in this game. (In DFO you can’t even change your look without A. deleting your character or B. paying for it. In GW2 you can at least get really lucky from the Black Lion Treasure Chest.
Also if your talking about MMOs don’t add games like League of Legends into the list. Yes, it grossed the most revenue than any game but we’re not talking about moba games.
Going back MMOs, when its hard to compare an MMO like WoW or GW2 to an MMO like DFO. and this reason is because its 2 completely different niches. The work needed to go into DFO is a lot less. It doesn’t need as many people to work on the game. Therefore less amounts of money to payout and more revenue.
No that is the revenue that does include the pay for employee, servers and others. But even if it will need as much amount of payout as GW2 or the lazy kittens at WOW it will still have more profit. you know why it had more profit because its a couple of times bigger then WOW in player population. You think 7 million subscribers is a lot think about the tens of millions of players that play DFO. Its not because they pay more with the micro transactions but because there so many players that just pay for them that is why it dwarfs the profit WOW has.
You want profit you go DFO way.
So the most popular MMO being WOW who has 10 million players out of 1.2 billion people that play video games on this planet. Maybe this will put things in perspective.
I will change some with the overwhelming majority.
The most popular MMO is Dungeon Fighter Online not WOW and guess what kind of subscription plan it has?These number’s are very skewed. Last time there was a subscription check at the end of the quarter for WoW the number is by down to 7.1 million with subs. There isn’t yet a way to see how many are able to play with WoW Tokens, but i highly doubt its as high as 3 million. The most people that play WoW, aside from Wrath of the Lich King, are when new expansions come out and usually a slight bump on new patches. When you looked up how many people play video games I’m pretty sure it said more than 1.2 billion.
PS: When your looking at video game popularity you should not Registered Users but Active Users. Dungeon Fighter Online may still be the largest played MMO, but the numbers change largely, for example WoW has over 100 million registered users but only 7.1 million that are subscribed (as of the end of last quarter).
Edit: Quoted the wrong thing and put in the correct quote. Also added last paragraph.
Yep you are right and around 700 million of those over 1.2 billion people play MMO and the most popular of them are free to play with no subscription or pay for the expansions and yet one gets 1 billion a year and the other 897 million a year.
WTF is wrong with MMO its clear that you can make more profit if you are not greedy.
Edit to add more:
Dungeon Fighter Online has achieved over 3 million concurrent users during its peak in August 24, 2012 in China alone according to data released by Nexon.
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You all do realize..that it isn’t only just up to Anet, for what they charge for their game right? NCSoft can pretty much tell Anet they have to do something or drop sponsoring their game altogether..yeah 50 bucks might seem high to a lot of people, but to me..50 is what I’ve always expected from GW expansions. GW1 expansions were 50 bucks, besides EoTN, so I didn’t expect any different. They’re constantly adding more content through living story. They will build on what HoT has and go from there. If anything, they should have added all LS episodes for free with the expansion so brand new players as well as players who came in before HoT, can get caught up on everything instead of having to buy them, to truly catch up.
I played GW1 since vanilla and I am one of the veterans who isn’t upset about the pre-purchase pricing. It is, what it is. I think people may be a bit premature with all their gripes, we will see what all there is in the expansion in time, and we will continue to see the story unfold through the expansion. There will continue to be content regardless of how much this expansion costs. It won’t release for quite a bit of time yet..Expect an August release if we go by the initial GW2 release.
If people really can’t spend 50 bucks on an expansion then they shouldn’t be gaming at all, honestly. Some PC games are going to cost 50 bucks expansion or not, anyway. The amount of content won’t matter, it just depends on the company developing the game. For console games, they usually cost 50 bucks for like a Playstation game and that game is all you get for good til they release another sequel to it that will cost another 50 bucks. Say you buy Assassins Creed, it cost you 50 bucks and you got maybe 100 hours of a first play through, all you have left for that game is to keep playing it over and over, with it never really changing. PC gaming is far cheaper than console gaming is, in regards to the games themselves, and also offer more.
I understand a lot of people think it’s unfair, but what is all this complaining really going to do anyway? They most likely cannot change their pricing but they can alter what they put into the package for pre-purchasing.
Nice only people from the middle class in the rich western world countries should game it seems. And the 10% from the not as rich second world world countries and only 1% from the third world countries because hey video gaming is for the fortunate, smart and hard working. If you do not have all 3 of them you do not deserve to game.
I find this to be unfair. Saying the game isn’t worth $50 because some people can’t afford it might make sense if the other two most popular MMOs weren’t both subscription that charged $15 a month plus the price of the game. So if you think $40 plus $15 a month is more expensive than $50 for a period of time longer than a year, you’d be wrong.
The cash shop is optional. Everything else in the game you can access for free. It’s not like some games where you buy areas, classes and races separately. It’s not like other games where if you don’t pay an “optional” monthly fee, you might as well not play at all. And it’s not like subscription games.
Guild Wars 2 is the cheapest MMO to play without some sort of ‘catch’, at least as far as the current AAA MMOs go.
If you’re only looking at the price of the box and nothing else, maybe you’d have a point.
So the most popular MMO being WOW who has 10 million players out of 1.2 billion people that play video games on this planet. Maybe this will put things in perspective.
I will change some with the overwhelming majority.
The most popular MMO is Dungeon Fighter Online not WOW and guess what kind of subscription plan it has?
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You all do realize..that it isn’t only just up to Anet, for what they charge for their game right? NCSoft can pretty much tell Anet they have to do something or drop sponsoring their game altogether..yeah 50 bucks might seem high to a lot of people, but to me..50 is what I’ve always expected from GW expansions. GW1 expansions were 50 bucks, besides EoTN, so I didn’t expect any different. They’re constantly adding more content through living story. They will build on what HoT has and go from there. If anything, they should have added all LS episodes for free with the expansion so brand new players as well as players who came in before HoT, can get caught up on everything instead of having to buy them, to truly catch up.
I played GW1 since vanilla and I am one of the veterans who isn’t upset about the pre-purchase pricing. It is, what it is. I think people may be a bit premature with all their gripes, we will see what all there is in the expansion in time, and we will continue to see the story unfold through the expansion. There will continue to be content regardless of how much this expansion costs. It won’t release for quite a bit of time yet..Expect an August release if we go by the initial GW2 release.
If people really can’t spend 50 bucks on an expansion then they shouldn’t be gaming at all, honestly. Some PC games are going to cost 50 bucks expansion or not, anyway. The amount of content won’t matter, it just depends on the company developing the game. For console games, they usually cost 50 bucks for like a Playstation game and that game is all you get for good til they release another sequel to it that will cost another 50 bucks. Say you buy Assassins Creed, it cost you 50 bucks and you got maybe 100 hours of a first play through, all you have left for that game is to keep playing it over and over, with it never really changing. PC gaming is far cheaper than console gaming is, in regards to the games themselves, and also offer more.
I understand a lot of people think it’s unfair, but what is all this complaining really going to do anyway? They most likely cannot change their pricing but they can alter what they put into the package for pre-purchasing.
Nice only people from the middle class in the rich western world countries should game it seems. And the 10% from the not as rich second world world countries and only 1% from the third world countries because hey video gaming is for the fortunate, smart and hard working. If you do not have all 3 of them you do not deserve to game.
naw, i’m trying to consider it real world / realistically – we didn’t factor in ncsoft, then the costs of marketing – traveling to events – then there’s corporate taxes…so you know that kitten got trimmed
further you are going way back to 2009 – it would seem logical that’s what they were using to fund them to get where they are at now. that money gets spent fast while inflation doesn’t care. things happen
I am pretty sure there where tens of million profit for ncsoft. 30 million I think its enough for marketing after the game was released. For example The witcher 3 publishers spent around 25 million for marketing and traveling to events and taxes things not directly related with the actual production of the game and that was when you needed as much exposure as possible.
did someone forget to carry the one and include salaries for 281 people, 3rd party studio rentals, marketing, server costs, healthcare ? all while keeping investors happy and entertained ? for 3 years ? maybe ? -smh-
Assuming that average earning for a employee for GW 2 is 40k a year for 281 people is around 34 million that Arena Net had to pay until now. I have no idea what those 3rd party studio rentals do, marketing is lets say 30 million for these 3 years, the server cost its lets say another 30 million, health care is another 30 million so in total it will be 124 million dollar in 3 years spent hey lets put 30 million for 3rd party studio rentals in total being 154 million spent in 3 years. So assuming they sold 6 million in 3 years it is a total of 240 million won. That is only game copies lets add the money they gained from gem store and I wonder how much profit they have?
do not be tricked by all the people who say that video game companies only have profit from dlc and subscriptions. You just need to do the math.
Yup, totally agreed. No wonder such scummy marketing tactics keep existing.
Not necessarily. The price of games have significantly inflated from what PC gaming was years ago. I believe when my dad bought me StarCraft it was only 40$. Now most baseline games cost 60$. Many expansions and DLC have varying costs depending on the amount of things they are adding. Most “true” expansions cost 40$-50$ with the prices shifting to the latter. DLC are far cheaper but its what I would compare to the Gem Store.
These marketing tactics may have been considered “scummy” in the past but with the all the the free gaming that exists now a days ranging from Candy Crush Saga to truly free MMOs these tactics have become the norm otherwise many of these companies couldn’t compete.
Additionally, I don’t find this as scummy. They told me what I was going to get, and I was satisfied with it, so I bought it. This is not like haggling on the streets of New York, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. This is like going to WalMart and buy a new TV that’s 1000$. If you don’t like it don’t buy it or wait for it to go on sale.
Edit: Added the last paragraph.
Price of games has not kept up with the general rate of inflation, and also it is far more expensive to make AAA video games now than it was in the past, so you could argue that the rate of inflation for games is even greater than inflation in general.
Companies are basically subsidizing the cost of new games and then making their profits from selling DLC and expansions. Just the way the industry works. It’s also why you see so many “free-to-play” MMOs. They really aren’t free. You end up spending a boat load on DLC just to get basic functionality or to be competitive. You should think of them more like a free trial than an actual game.
Really is this true even for games like GTA V, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age:Inquisition that sold more then 10 million copies?
Only GTA V did that but you get my point.Games that sell more copies make more money and are more profitable. Most games do not sell 10 million copies, though. I think GW2 (which is a fairly successful MMO) has only sold like 5-6 million copies over 3 years. Not sure about exact numbers, but it’s not 10 million. That includes China, I believe.
GW2 also has been putting out free content over the last several years, and that cost the Anet money to make. Witcher 3 is a new game and will probably have some additional content added. I know GTA V has added some free updates, but it is still a young game and is one of those mega blockbusters that can make a lot of money by just selling the base game. Dragon Age has 3 DLCs already.
If you sell 3 million copies in the first or month at the price of 60$ you get 180 millions so how much do video game companies spend in a making a video game?
I will answer you this The Witcher 3 spend a total of 34 million with most being marketing. Do you how many copies they sold 4 million. They got a mountain of profit just with the base game.
So this proves that dlc is greed.
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Yup, totally agreed. No wonder such scummy marketing tactics keep existing.
Not necessarily. The price of games have significantly inflated from what PC gaming was years ago. I believe when my dad bought me StarCraft it was only 40$. Now most baseline games cost 60$. Many expansions and DLC have varying costs depending on the amount of things they are adding. Most “true” expansions cost 40$-50$ with the prices shifting to the latter. DLC are far cheaper but its what I would compare to the Gem Store.
These marketing tactics may have been considered “scummy” in the past but with the all the the free gaming that exists now a days ranging from Candy Crush Saga to truly free MMOs these tactics have become the norm otherwise many of these companies couldn’t compete.
Additionally, I don’t find this as scummy. They told me what I was going to get, and I was satisfied with it, so I bought it. This is not like haggling on the streets of New York, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. This is like going to WalMart and buy a new TV that’s 1000$. If you don’t like it don’t buy it or wait for it to go on sale.
Edit: Added the last paragraph.
Price of games has not kept up with the general rate of inflation, and also it is far more expensive to make AAA video games now than it was in the past, so you could argue that the rate of inflation for games is even greater than inflation in general.
Companies are basically subsidizing the cost of new games and then making their profits from selling DLC and expansions. Just the way the industry works. It’s also why you see so many “free-to-play” MMOs. They really aren’t free. You end up spending a boat load on DLC just to get basic functionality or to be competitive. You should think of them more like a free trial than an actual game.
Really is this true even for games like GTA V, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age:Inquisition that sold more then 10 million copies?
Only GTA V did that but you get my point.
I know a lot of people think that rarity is value which is understandable they have something other do not and makes them feel special.
But anet will never do that because they will go bankrupt if they do that.
if anet wanted to increase their value, they should only sell 50 copies of this expansion lol
would be a riot if nothing else heh!!
At 1 million $ each.
Here where I live 50$ would buy 2 good Pizzas or 3 cheaper ones, so yeah prices is VERY relative.
Yes it is in my case for 50$ I can buy 7 large pizza of 38 cm and that if it is a good one.
keep at it then. best luck to you too, cause i really really don’t get the impression you’re the majority.
Oh I do since a huge number of topics here are about complaining about the price and how the veterans where treated unfair and that is in spite of the mods merging them like crazy.