Guild Wars 2

Yes you most likely want a Guardian (or even two) in higher fractals, I recommend atleast gearing a secondary toon (guardian) with AR if you can. Or you can do as someone else mentioned do a Guard as a frac main and then gear another class as you get the lootz for it…

I dont know how good your group is but looking at Volcano lvl48 without a guard, its a pain… There are tactics to handle it but it usually means a lot of running, chaos and ranged dps

edit: and ofcourse not to forget lvl48 Maw meant a guard was almost required, atleast until they added the new weapon infusion slots. But if the frac cap is raised then guard will be required yet again… (99% res can be a bit risky)

Cassius.4831:

aeneq.1760:

Cassius.4831:

aeneq.1760:

Cassius.4831:

Maileen.1065:

Cassius.4831:

Maileen.1065:

stop crying if you want to be able to change stats make a legendary……if you don’t want to put in the extra time/gold make the ascended weapons that fits your built.

I have two, Quip in my engineer and Bolt in my mesmer. How many do you have? So we can know how many are needed in order to express our opinion freely.

You can express your opinions, no one is stopping you, but it doesn’t mean you aren’t crying. Let me give you an example: its like the guy/girl who works at starbucks complaining how its unfair that the people he/she serve make $XX.XX and they only make $X.XX No one is stopping he/she from going to school etc. or even working harder to find a better paying job.

Oh and I have zero legendarys (working towards my first one).

Well, since I have 2 legendaries and you have none, I can humbly assume that I know more about the process of farming/making/using them than you and that you are crying and not me

Well I have 4 (well 5 or 6 depending on how you want to count Eternity), whats your point…

My point is that everyone should be able to express freely his opinion with respect , what’s yours?

Despite this, my thoughts about legendaries and ascended are expressed above and you are free to read them. Once you do that, feel free to ask any doubt you could have. I’ll be glad to answer any question.

I applaud your statement, just dont see your logic… You asking how many legendaries are needed and then since you have two and the other has none you make assumptions and claim your opinion is worth more?

The original question just made your posts silly in my view and if I misunderstood your intent then I apologize but you need to spell it out… this is an online forum after all…

Ok, I’ll try to explain better mi position: Legendary weapons were intended as fashion items, only for visual exhibition. Until Sept 3rd they worked in this way and I think it was fine for everybody: some of us gathered materials to do them and none of us complained about this (You have crafted 5 legendaries, so I can assume you crafted some of them before and you agreed the way they were working, can I? )

Now, game rules has changed and Legendary weapons are a new top tier: not only ascended, they are even better because you can change their stats. Of course I like this change, because gives us – legendary weapon users – more diversity, but… why not the same with ascended weapons? They are expensive too (not as a legendary, but you must farm several hours yo get one with fixed stats).

And, what we get when we suggest that ascended should be as good as legendaries? Well, we get posts from some users telling us that we are whiniers and that we should work for legendaries instead of crying in the forum. This is pretty annoying, but it becomes ironic when you have them and this is told you by someone who hasn’t forged one yet.

So, in other words: everyone should be free to express his opinion but with respect. If anyone don’t do it in this way, he is exposed to be treated as he does.

Ok gotcha, well to be frank I just crafted the legendaries because I was bored and thought I should get some atleast (being a warrior a GS was the first step) then I really liked the effects on the Jug.

But that aside I see your point however I dont mind the Legendaries being slightly more utilitarian, they still are equal in performance compared to the ascended but has that little extra incentive to them without being totally over the top.

That said I dont really mind either or but the negative side effect is that ascended crafting will eventually die out (earlier than later) if you change this behavior and thus reduce the temples etc to the earlier state. This side effect also blocks new players from getting the mats they need when they want to craft ascended…

This is actually a big issue with this way to ensure replayability of the temples, sure they are active now but that will die in time and then anyone new is basically deadlocked from crafting an ascended. Wouldnt be surprised if they added new sources for these resources at some point.

There are trick paths you need to use, if you ru the obvious path youll never make it…

When I completed it (must be more than 6 months ago) it was bugged so even though I got the achievement the chest never triggered at the end (now that was bad, but what was even more bad was that I thought it was a glitch and completed it a second time with the same outcome…)

I actually really liked that JP, its very hard and arguably the hardest in the game imo but it was very satisfying when it was completed. Wouldnt mind more of this content that one doesnt just simply finish in 30 min and never do again.

Cassius.4831:

aeneq.1760:

Cassius.4831:

Maileen.1065:

Cassius.4831:

Maileen.1065:

stop crying if you want to be able to change stats make a legendary……if you don’t want to put in the extra time/gold make the ascended weapons that fits your built.

I have two, Quip in my engineer and Bolt in my mesmer. How many do you have? So we can know how many are needed in order to express our opinion freely.

You can express your opinions, no one is stopping you, but it doesn’t mean you aren’t crying. Let me give you an example: its like the guy/girl who works at starbucks complaining how its unfair that the people he/she serve make $XX.XX and they only make $X.XX No one is stopping he/she from going to school etc. or even working harder to find a better paying job.

Oh and I have zero legendarys (working towards my first one).

Well, since I have 2 legendaries and you have none, I can humbly assume that I know more about the process of farming/making/using them than you and that you are crying and not me

Well I have 4 (well 5 or 6 depending on how you want to count Eternity), whats your point…

My point is that everyone should be able to express freely his opinion with respect , what’s yours?

Despite this, my thoughts about legendaries and ascended are expressed above and you are free to read them. Once you do that, feel free to ask any doubt you could have. I’ll be glad to answer any question.

I applaud your statement, just dont see your logic… You asking how many legendaries are needed and then since you have two and the other has none you make assumptions and claim your opinion is worth more?

The original question just made your posts silly in my view and if I misunderstood your intent then I apologize but you need to spell it out… this is an online forum after all…

Cassius.4831:

Maileen.1065:

Cassius.4831:

Maileen.1065:

stop crying if you want to be able to change stats make a legendary……if you don’t want to put in the extra time/gold make the ascended weapons that fits your built.

I have two, Quip in my engineer and Bolt in my mesmer. How many do you have? So we can know how many are needed in order to express our opinion freely.

You can express your opinions, no one is stopping you, but it doesn’t mean you aren’t crying. Let me give you an example: its like the guy/girl who works at starbucks complaining how its unfair that the people he/she serve make $XX.XX and they only make $X.XX No one is stopping he/she from going to school etc. or even working harder to find a better paying job.

Oh and I have zero legendarys (working towards my first one).

Well, since I have 2 legendaries and you have none, I can humbly assume that I know more about the process of farming/making/using them than you and that you are crying and not me

Well I have 4 (well 5 or 6 depending on how you want to count Eternity), whats your point…

Why is this griefing?

Looks to me that he is exploiting a bad design so you might call him an exploiter (even that is debatable) but griefing? Similar tactics has been done before and reported and nothing has been done yet afaik

Will never happen

ZudetGambeous.9573:

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I meant any patch. I don’t know of a single patch since launch that didn’t effect ecto prices in some way or another. They either increase the price or decrease the price. It is a constant cycle. I know for a fact that the next patch will decrease ecto prices. Not sure by how much, but linking boss events in overflows and the revamped teq with extra rewards will both lead to more rares, and the lfg tool will lead to more groups which leads to more dungeon runs which leads to more tokens which leads to more rares.

Ok, well I wasnt trying to make a debate about the ecto price. I just felt like making a bet based on the previous comment from another user, if you arent interested then just say so.

You are right, I wasnt looking far enough back and was looking at the prepatch stocking people did…

So lets say you get a rare what options do you have;

1) Sell it for 23s
2) Salvage it for 90% chance of X ectos (average return would be 28.8s)

Now you have an Ecto what would you d?

1) Sell it for 32s
2) Salvage it for 1-5 Crystalline Dust/Luck and sell for on average 2.5×12s (~30s)

Its quite clear that the ectos from this chain wont reach TP until MF is maxed out, just check the listings for Pile of Crystalline Dust, after the patch it has basically doubled.

edit: if someone wants a long term play, look at Crystalline Dust, when Ascended/MF is done then that should rebound to previous levels which is an almost 100% return

That’s too low volume, temples/keeps/world bosses only produce a limited amount of material. Its not even close to what was available during the gauntlet/invasion.

kitten fracs got a lot easier now with 55 AR, when can we get a lvl60 limit?

It does, transferred Jug and Twilight off my Guardian just a few days ago.

Ok, 30 days was a bit longer than I was envisioning but if we set a limit of <=25s in a months time then Im good with that bet.

Its true that the price went down after the patch, but im fairly certain thats related to people stockpiling for the patch so supply got flooded. As the big champion farming is reduced (temples isnt comparable) the flood of ecto-items to market is lower.

Looking over the last few days there is a slow but steady increase in ecto price and I believe it will continue up.

Btw, im not making the bet just to be aggressive I just thought it would be fun. its not like I need the gold atm…

edit: I am assuming correctly that you meant patches/interviews etc that would provide an effect on Ecto market? If you just meant any interview/patch etc. then ofcourse that wont happen but if you meant that then just say that you didnt want to bet

Transmute to white, transfer, transmute splitter.

Zudet, Surbrus if we are going forward with the bet then we need to set a few rules to judge the result in the end. Let me know if anyone of you are willing to continue otherwise just ignore it.

Surbrus.6942:

aeneq.1760:

azizul.8469:

yum yum..can’t wait for it to go 18s again….. go on you World Boss farmer, get those rares….. !

Any farming atm most likely means salvaging the item for luck/mf and then salvage of ecto for even more luck and then selling the dust for profit.

This scenario means less ecto on tp and thus increase in its price.

The more ectos are salvaged, the lower the T6 dust price, the less reason there is to salvage ectos, the more ectos will remain supplied.

Well see, im willing to take a bet from you as well, 1 or 2 weeks…

Surbrus.6942:

aeneq.1760:

Well see, I grant you one day of statistics is too little to base any opionion on but the trend day-day atm seems to point to an increase.

Ill take your bet! Lets give it a week and see if we have higher or lower price on ecto and the winner sends the other 100g.

The discussion was about a more long term period. You yourself were talking about a period over several weeks. Now you’re changing the topic and turning it into a short term bet.
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Soz but I still think itll go up higher in the even if the timespan is more than a week, however the original post I answered to said that supply is skyrocketing and prices will plummet in the short term.

So I answered to that statement, i.e. a short term bet. I am good with either way just though that 1 week is about the attention span and then the bet is forgotten.

In the long term the prices should fall (excluding inflation) as the need for luck is reduced and there is no need to salvage en masse anymore.

azizul.8469:

yum yum..can’t wait for it to go 18s again….. go on you World Boss farmer, get those rares….. !

Any farming atm most likely means salvaging the item for luck/mf and then salvage of ecto for even more luck and then selling the dust for profit.

This scenario means less ecto on tp and thus increase in its price.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

aeneq.1760:

But as can be seen on spidy that buffer will eventually erode due to the insame amount of luck needed as well as ascended weapons. Mark my words Ecto will steadily increase over the coming weeks…

huh? supply has been depleted due to this last month of ecto free farming. now supply is skyrocketing. Prices are going to plummet not go up… I’d bet 100g on it.

Ectos are being used at a massive rate to craft to 500, but the actual weapons use almost no ectos.

Well see, I grant you one day of statistics is too little to base any opionion on but the trend day-day atm seems to point to an increase.

Ill take your bet! Lets give it a week and see if we have higher or lower price on ecto and the winner sends the other 100g.

But as can be seen on spidy that buffer will eventually erode due to the insame amount of luck needed as well as ascended weapons. Mark my words Ecto will steadily increase over the coming weeks…

Thats 2.77 salvages per second for 2 hours, kitten that’s tenacity.

Counting reverse that’s 2.5k items on a normal day for (2.77 items for 15m), impressive.

Whats this focus on Legendary meaning some elitist ingame player? Legendary is just an item classification that takes some work getting but anyone should be able to get it, period.

Legendary was never meant that the player was good/better than anyone else. Its just an item that takes some time to acquire and there’s nothing wrong with that. If you feel that there should be items in the game that are exclusive for a select number of people then 1) you are in the wrong game and 2) these should NEVER have a stat/game advantage (i.e. liadri mini etc….)

Got ya, I have been looking at low level salvaging myself since its pretty easy to get a good return per copper I just didnt dig deeper just because the amount of work it would have to entail for a decent profit.

I just did this minus one step, i.e. legendary to white, transfer and then transmute splitter gave me back the white+legendary and I could bind the legendary to the new character.

That said as you ofc noticed is that I never did a multiple transmute chain so that might cause problems?

edit: already answered in another thread

Transmute splitter will give the base items of the current look and stats.

So anyone tried the transmute to white trick and have any feedback on whether the reverse transmutation gives the legendary back?

Suggest you reading the post again, you are arguing a different matter than what I was describing.

Your second post is more inline with what I was getting at which is the “value of dealing with level items vs. reward”. From the information you provided you seem to have made about 1k gold which is a nice return (Im expecting a 4k return myself on my plan byt anyhoooo….)

What items did you deal with, the only items I see of green which a volume thats feasible for 20k purchase has increased in value about 5×. If its many items you dealt in then I admire your tenacity!

But this is a one time event, the return you got here doesn’t apply as a rule so my question still goes back to my original point. How much do you earn per use of the machine? Salvaging 20k times for <500g return is just an insane amount of work given the return…

People have been stockpiling bags and items for the patch, this means that they have a lot of ecto and mats from that. I expect that the prices will slowly creep up over the coming week.

Ectos which was a big one actually went down when the tp came up.

Got returned/cancelled orders for Shamans Etched…, Bramblethorne, Dragonshot and Malefacterym… But I do have gold as well…

Lol, would be faster to just go for legendary weapons.

Sorry but that scenario is pretty bad, if you are salvaging for profit then yes you can get better return per copper on using the machine but for this to be profitable you need to salvage a huge amount of items to even earn a gold.

Salvaging higher level mats and not care about not getting the upgrade/finer mats doesnt make sense.

Also if you are salvaging higher level items then its more likely youd buy a permanent bt contract and park yourself at a vendor and not running back and forth (same with MF fishing).

Comparable to basic salvage kit, so its good for salvaging junk but nothing else.

If it was similar to a masterwork kit then Id go for it, as it is now I dont really see the need for it (although its not that expensive I still need to go and buy master kit for any rare salvaging anyway).

Hey would be great if one could choose what lvl to salvage at and adjust the cost by that…

Ok, its ofc a joke referencing the usefulness of a 1 day booster for a year of commitment but it was a good one!

Samuirai.4561:

Just found a trick to circumvent the protection :P

If they wanted to stop TP analysis and automatic trading, they failed.

Are you saying you are doing automated trading?

Nike.2631:

How do you come to the conclusion that Empowering Might (1 second internal CD) and Sigil of Generosity (10 second internal CD) share cooldowns?

Nike.2631:

I use sigil of generosity, so crit chance is my condition removal. There are tons of proc-on-crit effects, and its easy to put 3+ them on a singe character and watch them run wild with this new gear option. It’ll be fun .

Since you said “…and its easy to put 3+ them on a singe…” it stands to reason you mentioned an item and not a trait. But then again your statement is all over the place so I should maybe have exercised some caution in my original post…

Since they share the same cd Im not sure why youd stack different on-crit effects.

Power>Precision, dont see a big reason for it to go up. It’ll most likely go up some but not a huge amount.

Should also be noted that on-swap sigils share cd with on-crit sigils, so if your 10s on-swap sigil procs your 5 sec on-crit sigil is blocked for 10s and ofc the reverse applies as well.

edit: make sure you are in combat or on-swap wont trigger at all

Hey its logical really, most precursors sells to the highest buy order.

Assuming this and if a bunch of precursors are very close in price (sell listing) then one can buy these, put up a high sell listing (which will put the sell price on the item high for a long time).

Now over time the buy listings will creep upwards slowly as the sell listing creeps down, assuming the buy listings increase over the previous sell listing then hell be able to sell these for a profit.

As you can see atm on gw2spidy, the current buy listings match or are greater then the previous sell listings. So it might be that he simply inflated the buy listings so the big losers in this scenario is the people who undercut his high bid (since he doesnt really care about selling it for that price).

Using rifle/bow depending on the situation. In PvE pugs i find the cripple from rifle #2 sometimes essential to success (in high level fractals its nice to have that slowdown).

30/25/0/10/0 <spend the additional points how you like, focus on GS and forceful greatsword and try to maximize crit chance>

30/0/0/10/30 <axe/mace+gs dps rotation and adrenaline>

In general 30/25 is good for solo but 30/0 is better for group and has better utility

mtpelion.4562:

Just a cursory glance at the numbers gives me this:

Glob of Ectoplasm = 22s66c
Major Rune = 3s20c to 1g32s0c

Salvaging will result in between 25s86c and 1g54s66c.
After market taxes, you have 21s98c to 1g31s46c.
When using a Master’s Salvage kit (0.9 Ectos per salvage), subtracting your salvage costs from the above still winds up leaving a net profit. With enough volume, that net profit should balance out the non-ecto salvages.

Plus you have the Ore, Fabric, and Leather drops as added revenue.

Seems to me that someone did the math decided to bid up to 20s on rares with runes.

Sorry but those runes arent available thru rare armors of the TP, maximum amount of coin you can get from a rune thats salvageable is 9-10s.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Trading_Post#Fees

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15chars….

DarkSpirit.7046:

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I disagree with you. Most of the existing bots I know are UI driven thanks to tools like Autoit that has been perfected through many years of work. It is not necessarily a tool for botting but automating UI, however because of its power, it is commonly use by botters. You can read all about it from their bot forums which you can find by just googling. I don’t think you are familiar with their tools. I read a post from a botter in a GW2 bot forum describing how he used the PixelSearch functionality of Autoit to help him navigate the UI for selling.

To write an autoit script, you don’t even need to know a programming language, it uses a BASIC-like scripting language. All you need is a script kiddie with lots of time in his hands to get it up through trial-and-error. Automating UI is quite straight-forward.

http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/

Botters go for profit as number one. If there is no selling then where is the profit coming from in running a bot? If the bot has sell capability, it should not clog up its inventory, furthermore unless you are trading things like armor, same items do stack. I don’t think inventory clogging is as a big problem with TP flipping bots as you think. If it is, then TP bots would be hardly viable as they lack the profit which is the main reason for running a bot in the first place.

I am also very familiar with aoutit, its a great little utility ans can be used for things like blocking windows key, eliminate the need for doubleclicking and even to eliminate the “Are you sure?” dialogue clicks.

You an also use things like socket libraries to interact between autoit scripts and a tp program, they also have OCR libraries to extract textual descriptions from the in game UI. The functionality is def there to do UI navigation and thats not the reason I am sceptical about anyone using it for full automation.

The imagesearch function is not 100% guaranteed due to nuance difference of the ingame UI (alpha interactions etc) this can be worked around in most cases, however the ingame delays of popup and UI transitions are very much an issue and using these techniques in a massive scale is just too slow. Also since UI assets are NOT UNIQUE for a lot of items the imagesearch will most likely get you to the wrong item so you cant rely on that and need to use OCR and OCR has a pretty poor success rate atm.

Furthermore my experience with the TP (which is extensive) is that flipping is usually a long term strategy, if you are looking at mats then youll have a large turnaround and small profits and with the sell queue you dont have to turn it around immediately. With specific items with larger margins they usually sell slower so youll either have to match your inflow with your outflow or hold on to items and in this scenario you have the risk of underbidding etc.

The only possible option imo for your strategy to keep the pickup line empty is if the bot is only flipping items and thus just flips any item in the inventory for the maximum sell price.

IMO if you have the funds then there are more profitable strategies than flipping on the TP and anyone running a TP bot is most likely not flipping…

No there is no official API, the API used has been reverse engineered from looking at data traffic between game client and the TP server.

Buttercup.5871:

Thanks Aeneq and Darkspirit. Your combined thorough knowledge on this sheds light on some of the darkest stuff I’ve read since release.

I did not know it had already gone this far. If it’s indeed possible, and you guys know it can be done, TP botting is very real.

Have you guys talked to John about solutions? You guys need to put your minds together and figure this out. Seems to me the current TP road will lead to a dead end in the long run.

Not directly, however the API is out there and being used and I would assume ANet knows whats possible when using it. Ideally they are working on a solution but I dont think its become a large enough issue yet…

You dont see comments about bots that often, its about once a month or less when someone mentions TP bots on the forum which hopefully means they arent that common.