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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOiixsWJFhmsL_sD3ce0UybHovoXX73l6

Ducattinomis.9041:

Have limited internet atm so cant really watch streams, are u gonna put the vods on YT? would be nice.

Yes i will be uploading the vod to youtube

Both me and helseth will stream it live from our perspectives
www.twitch.tv/sindrenerr
www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth

https://youtu.be/KFQTZgF0D_M the VOD

Pvt Frosty.6973:

Huskyboy.1053:

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

I demand to have you put camera shake back on! The immersion is ruined now!

btw care to explain why Electric Wyvern over Bristleback? does its attacks hit more than a single target?

Both its active skill and one of its passive skills are CCs. Bristleback has the strongest F2 burst but otherwise is pretty weak and is completely controlled by projectile denial spells. Druids with Bristleback are pretty weak versus an ele/engi combo. Even necro shroud 2 can (if the necro’s lucky or very observant under pressure) absorb Bristleback F2 lol.

Basically this. The electric wyvern has the potential to lockdown someone for a few seconds (wing buffet —> headbutt is also the most surefire way to guarantee headbutt wil hit at all at the moment)

Apart from that, the main reason I even took it in the first place was because of zans new engi build bringing enough reflects to be a full hardcounter to bristleback.

Crinn.7864:

Huskyboy.1053:

Even necro shroud 2 can (if the necro’s lucky or very observant under pressure) absorb Bristleback F2 lol.

Reaper’s Shroud 2 does not destroy projectiles. The tooltip is wrong.

Hmmm, I honestly don’t know the exact interaction here, but Shroud 2 has definitely absorbed projectiles before.

Yes it absorbs projectiles, you cant headshot them when they do #2 in reaper shroud.

Thief/mes is the strongest duo by far

I had a guy tell me to go beasts on respawn on forest when I got rank1 last season: http://imgur.com/a/y8rC5 this is what he whispers me

We lost that game btw cus we had two guys in our team going for them all the time

Crinn.7864:

So none of the teams that used a necro won a match.

Uh? Yes they did, flaming fist won quite a lot of games:

https://battlefy.com/unity-gaming-org/eu-ugo-gw2-5v5-2/59415faf37dc650332b86c9a/stage/59415faf37dc650332b86c9b/bracket/

+1 at least no camera shake this time

Zlater.6789:

bluri.2653:

Also discussing mesmer, I said D/P dash cannot kill mesmer, I have a vod of me and misha dueling without node activated and I cannot kill him, you want me to link it?

Yes please

kicks legs, humms and waits eagerly for the video

https://youtu.be/DV4-Mt_wF5w?t=2967

In the early duels I am winning, as I wrote on reddit this was on patch day when mesmer ate big nerfs with Illusionary reversion etc and misha was fooling around with different builds to see if it worked without etc, then in later duels he goes normal build and I cannot kill him whatsoever so enjoy.

And then picture him kiting to spots where I can’t port and he would just resustain himself/get CD’s if we don’t care about the node. And if we take node into account imagine he would full cap → maybe i can pressure for a neutral → he full caps so in the end its 100% not worth it, and I won’t kill him

Both really good, the thing that I like about druid in normal ranked is the mobility compared to a scrapper, easy decaps/backcapping and still strong in 1v2s.

Druid obviously doesn’t have as strong 1v1s as scrapper so theres that. Both have really good 1v2 potential

Daishi.6027:

bluri.2653:

Daishi.6027:

Ranger and Engie has the most staying power against anything that is more limited in their cooldowns.

Thief against anything that isn’t a DH.

DH against anything that doesn’t have much staying power.

Thief can’t beat engi/dh/druid/mesmer – rest takes too long, only 1v1 that would go quick enough to ever be worth even then it’s questionable depending on enemy comp and how you look mapwise, Revenant or Thief 1v1’s are fine usually then.

Maybe not Druid. But given unlimited time in a 1v1 thief can kill engie, and has every tool to avoid mesmer shatters. The question was best 1v1 duel, not 1v1 for conquest on point. Duration of the 1v1 is irrelevant especially if we allow resets which is fully within thief’s capability, if you are playing to win a fight it is cheesy but viable if it gets you ahead.

If you talk WVW perhaps but I’m not even gonna bother discussing the clownfiesta that wvw is because there are so much broken stuff there.

But you say killing something in a unlimited time a menders engi won’t die to a thief no matter how long you fight him. I say it again, you can have any thief in this game duel Zan in spvp for gold ok? The fact that some of you here actually thinks a thief can kill an engi in pvp tells me the level here. And lets say you ignore the node completely, you wanna know what’s even funnier? He stands on a jumping puzzle LMAO good luck killing him. Either you are a troll or you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about.

Also discussing mesmer, I said D/P dash cannot kill mesmer, I have a vod of me and misha dueling without node activated and I cannot kill him, you want me to link it? I don’t deny that there are certain builds that will kill the meta mesmer build as a thief (example staff) as i already said, but we are on the PvP forums which for me is conquest first of all, we don’t have a 1v1 gamemode so when people discuss 1v1s its natural for me that we talk about conquest 5v5 but 1v1s etc.

Also you literally dont even queue ranked or pvp which already clarified my thought from the start.

If you jump it would work, just saying

KrHome.1920:

choovanski.5462:

@everyone
listen to sindrener. he’s operating at a higher skill level than anyone else in this thread. he has more experience and a deeper understanding than anyone else here, myself included.

Thanks for the laugh!

I know who he is. I watched pretty much every GW2 pvp tournament and hours of streams.

The funny thing is I saw him win 1v1s on teef against competent players on every other class in the game while he is constantly stating thief is underpowered. It’s ridiculous. Over the time you get the impression his general opinion is that when he has to actually work for a kill this must mean the class he plays is underpowered. Must be some kind of narcissism.

The ability of a teef to 100% control the fight has the potencial to defeat everything (on a high skill ceiling!). It’s just about tweaking a few things in your build depending on your encounter.

If you can’t control the fight because your class mechanic won’t let you against a certain opponent, you lose. It’s that simple.

Ok first of all we have to discuss wether this is in a 5v5 conquest game we talk about with node activated, or are you by some chance having wvw in your mindset when we talk about 1v1s? Because these two things differs a lot.

Let’s talk conquest 5v5 1v1s

1. You can pick whatever thief build you want in the game and duel Zan in a bo10 and I’ll tell you right now you won’t win a single duel with node activated, you want to make a deal? We can talk gold here. Doesn’t even have to be you, any thief in this game can duel him, ok?

2. The only solid 1v1 build that can duel in spvp conquest with node activated is Staff and it has 1 favourable matchup that is realistic on paper and that would be mesmer. You will not be able to kill a engi/dh/druid on staff, perhaps DH but you must play really well and if we take node into mind the DH can probably full cap you and it won’t really be worth it. He kites -> u neutral -> he fullcaps you – > you neutral etc etc

3. D/P dash meta can kill thief, revenant, necro(also takes long if they kite) and ele(ele can take at least 30+ seconds and D/P dash isn’t a duelist build so it’s just a waste of a slot, then you can just replace the D/P thief for a better duelist if you want to play like this.

The only time I’ve said thief is weak has been when me and helseth jokes about it, I do not by any circumstances think thief is underpowered or weak – then you clearly have never been on my streams or understand any sort of sarcasm, what I have argued about is that if you nerf certain things eventually thief will fall out of meta because the role is so specific being a +1/decap role and can’t possibly take 2v2s/3v3s versus good players. So what I mean is, if you already have issues to +1 certain classes what happens if you further nerf damage? Yes, D/P dash will fall out of meta and you will be forced into different builds that can’t compete with other bruiser builds as good, so in the end it will fall out of a meta comp.

Lastly lets say you by any chance pick a random build and can counter 1 class in it with thief, like a full duelist build. Do you understand what happens in conquest then? You get outrotated. A good example by this would be ventari rev which is near unkillable in a 1v1, maybe it even is I haven’t seen the full power of it but played good enough I would assume so, but it has zero killing potential. What else does it struggle with? Mobility. It’s slow and doesn’t offer the same things in a teamfight as other classes, unblockable CC’s, ranged CC’s or damage. It’s good in a 1v1 scenario where you can decap/fullcap eventually with knocks but what happens if you just leave the class there? Same will happen if you invent some random trash thief build that can counter a specific target. Just the same as let’s say you roll staff thief only to counter the mesmer? Do you know what he does? Puts portal and outrotates you. What did you just achieve with building for staff then if you don’t get in the situation you are supposed to?

Daishi.6027:

Ranger and Engie has the most staying power against anything that is more limited in their cooldowns.

Thief against anything that isn’t a DH.

DH against anything that doesn’t have much staying power.

Thief can’t beat engi/dh/druid/mesmer – rest takes too long, only 1v1 that would go quick enough to ever be worth even then it’s questionable depending on enemy comp and how you look mapwise, Revenant or Thief 1v1’s are fine usually then.

Conaywea.5062:

1- Thief
2- Mesmer
3- Rev or Necro (depends who are you facing)

1. Thief? good joke
2. Mesmer? Struggle against DH/Engi can kill druid but need a good moa burst with good follow up to kill usually a stalemate on neutral node
3. Necro? Why are you even allowed to post on these forums? Revenant? Sure we can maybe take ventari rev as a 1v1er then perhaps

hope you guys enjoy it

PierPiero.9142:

bluri.2653:

Scrapper is by far the strongest 1v1er atm

Even against a strong condi bomber ? I play scrapper meta and mesmer meta but there are some situation in which i find scrapper easier… other i find condi mesmer easier, especially good condi necro …

Yes, mender engi has no issues surviving vs mes whatsoever. The only class that technically could kill a mender engi would be a revenant but that would require rev to sit in 1v1s which is unlikely because that’s an easy +1. If engi play pala amu he could stalemate that too but becomes weaker vs mes.

Previously mender engi had issues with power war but after the nerfs no problems.

So if pala amulet mes kills engi
if mender amulet revenant can kill engi

meanwhile mes loses to dh/engi

sorry i forgot, necro also kills engi 1v1 but that’s even less realistic

just go mender/water rune

Scrapper is by far the strongest 1v1er atm

I found it OK until i saw camera shake on trekon then its instantly 0/10

Any news Ben? It’s supposed to start in 1h

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

I appreciate your not at all condescending tone.
And thanks for linking Posi’s twitch and yt. Wouldn’t have found it without you.

So here’s the deal.
I’ve watched your stream a lot. It’s great content even for non-thief players.
However, whenever you talk about necro it’s very obvious that you don’t know enough about the class to contribute to a discussions about its balance in any way that should be taken seriously.
I don’t mean this as an insult, you can’t know everything after all.
I’m just stating a fact. You don’t understand necro.

So when you come on a thread like this and say stuff like: ele-necro is the best duo, so necro is fine! Just look at Posi!!!
Just… pls no.

There are issues that should be addressed. Far less than all the complaints on the forum would suggest. And far more in some areas that don’t get complained about enough.
To sweep all of that under the rug with a necro-ele-duo blanket statement is, like I said, lame and ignorant.

Delusional at it’s finest. You can keep saying necro-ele is a blank statement but on paper there’s not a single 2v2 that will win this. Just look at the tournament that was played no 2v2 would beat this.

Weren’t you the one that also said you beat me in 1v1s as a necro? I mean this gets fokken more hilarious reading what you write

What do I not understand about a necro? The traits and builds? Sure I’ll admit that, the role however is a completely different thing or where it’s strengths are at I’d say I know more then you do because I actually play tournaments and have competed in the past with and versus necros. I think it’s reversed since you are telling me the 2v2 isn’t the strongest in the game LOL. I remember seeing you as a core necro running like a headless chicken in the games not knowing what to do or where to move.

And not to mention that you have necros here saying they don’t even kill druids in 1v1s, they did so even pre astral nerf, this tells me the level of 90% of you are below average.

Lastly, Ceimash.

“I can assure you that a good Warrior and Necro combo could win 2v2s against a Posi-level necro-ele synergy because I’ve seen it and executed it myself, same with a mesmer/necro or mesmer/Ele. We’re overvalueing the class in this case rather than the player.”

No, just no. Mesmer/ele beating necro/ele, mesmer/necro beating nec/ele? This is why I can’t stand forums because the level of discussion here is so low it’s unbearable.

This was last response from me regarding this topic, but let’s all sit here and pretend how weak necro are and nec/ele is just god awful, the only problem nec/ele suffers from is the speed of rotation, not the fighting capabilities because they are through the roof, anyone saying anything else is beyond help.

Huskyboy.1053:

bluri.2653:

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

His point is that necro can’t fill a role as an individual. Ele can bunker a point, though 1v2 will have trouble on Mender’s. It’s an all-around support that offers heals, protection, swiftness, and offers medium offensive support in the form of chills, shocking aura, and air overload. So basically Auramancer has its uses both 1v1 and in XvX. Necro doesn’t have very many good 1v1 matchups, and if you spec for better 1v1 capacity (power necro) then you lose your effectiveness in teamfights, which is really the only place that necro fits in.

To put that in D/P thief terms: you can decap, +1 low targets, and win 1v1s against necro, rev, and power warr (the latter takes too long though). You have 2 general roles in a match plus 2 good 1v1 matchups, and can escape bad ones. How does necro compare in terms of its role flexibility and survivability? It’s an underdog because all necro builds are shunted into the same team-dependent role in combat (DPS and damage sponge in group fights) and aren’t able to dictate the match through superior rotations.

So necro can’t 1v1 ele/engi/druid then? I’m pretty sure you can 1v1 rev too if you abuse kiting as well. Biggest strength necro has as well that many people do wrong, including us in the tournament. It’s that once you won middle for example never try to defend a node but rather push into far and create a fight there.

flow.6043:

bluri.2653:

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Top 20 can be easily reached with any duo.
Also, as opposed to other classes, the necro elite spec is only an upgrade in PvE, but in PvP it’s really a sidegrade. So doing well with a core necro isn’t a big deal either.

Now here’s the irony in your post:
You’re basically saying the issue is l2p instead of with the class, and regarding almost every necro thread on this forum I would agree with you.
But the fact that you mention Posi as your benchmark for how well necro could be played does reflects the underdog-ness of the class.
I’m not saying Posi is bad, but think about how many more good players you could name that main other classes. And how many of those you’d consider to be a more valuable team asset.

Anyway, the good ol’ “ele – necro duo” argument is about as lame and ignorant as all the complaints about how weak necros are.

Ok, show me. Get top20 at end of season. Why does it reflect the underdog-ness of the class? Posi barely plays this game and hasn’t for months and streams some core necro and absolutely demolishes people because he actually can play. Also the reason I use him as benchmark is because he actually has footage of him playing which no other necro has.

How is this argument lame? That nec-ele duo is one of the best duos. And also the best 2v2 in the game?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-XQizU4oBtCc4yBck5emA/videos
https://www.twitch.tv/posisn/videos/all

steelheart.7386:

Necromancers are one of the worst if not worst class right now for spvp. Part of the problem is the environment. In a solo and duo environment there just isn’t the coordination possible for the peels and rezzing necessary for a Necro to be effective. All it takes is a couple of damage dealers with a clue and they can and will kill any Necro over and over again. There is no getting around you start the match with zero life force making you an extremely easy kill to any kind of coordinated damage.

lmao you seriously need to get better. Ele/Nec is prolly second strongest duo in spvp atm. As much as i think posi is mental check his youtube that guy plays vanilla nec SOLO and does wonders with it. When he duo with ele he easily reaches top20 in EU

Probably tuesday. Are you ruby yet?

Necro ele is the second strongest duo and also the best 2v2 in the game

steelheart.7386:

bluri.2653:

“Currently, the swapping rules are no different than ranked. We are not preventing class stacking, though it’s something we may change in the future.”

Can’t even believe this part, no class stacking will be a fokken disaster

He said you can class stack. Your reflexive knee jerk negative posts are repetitive, annoying, and boring.

Yeah and class stacking is a disaster and will be terrible to see in AT’s exactly why it’s disabled in any tournament that has been played since forever. And there has been plenty of people telling how bad it is since forever ago in ranked as well, but i don’t expect much from someone who probably don’t even PvP.

I’ll edit my first post for you

Oh i see, you are one of those necros. That explains it

“Currently, the swapping rules are no different than ranked. We are not preventing class stacking, though it’s something we may change in the future.”

Can’t even believe this part, class stacking is bad and should not exist in AT’s

Buran.3796:

What you get from 120 matches?

To be on leaderboard you need to play 15 matches each week until season ends and that is 120 games in total for a season

Heartseeker now proccs Pulmonary Impact

Portal now works for enemies and if they step on it they get downed

Can’t seem to find the new API for the new PvP Season: https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/pvp/seasons

Make backstab down targets 50% chance

Draven.4397:

It´s just sad to see former pro players trolling in the forums.

Because this forum post is not a serious one, if you do by any chance think it is then that is sad if anything, same goes with the necro threads. We are discussing absolute irrelevant stuff.

Just look at the comments in this thread as well jfc.

Ralkuth.1456:

Look at Sind’s post history, he’s in malicious troll mode right now. Take the bait and you will wake up in the morning with the realization hitting you like a PI.

This is how the forums are to me rn tho, not a single logic thing here when they discuss balance so might as well just fokk around

apharma.3741:

My favourite part is how the opening strategy was decided by rock, paper, scissors.

https://youtu.be/bJqKPIvSidA?t=75

mesmer and thief can move…. but not kill anything.. wtf what does mobility help if u cannot kill?

Clearly you need to play more to see how OP necro really is

you clearly are not at the level of other necros.. its godmode

if we give easier lf to necro it will be even more godmode… GG

necro has been godmode for 6 seasons now….

ye portal is noob skill but rise u summon so many minions worse than mesmer clones too much clutter so its OP

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOiixsWJFhmu1-hWL6BoguvF_5YIz9fHW

all our games during the tournament

thief is really kitten underpowered what u on about we need huge buffs??

So NA haven’t theorycrafted hammer war with sigil of absorption that prioritizes resistance?

Anyway, I’m sure you guys haven’t run the build I have been running and regardless the results are amazing when used correctly. Hopefully more people will give it a go and see how good it really is

Necro is one of the strongest 1v1 classes atm……. what u on about??

Chinchilla.1785:

bluri.2653:

Chinchilla.1785:

Works wonders in Eotm, and bad pug blobs (e.g. like all the returning/pve players lol). Mixed results against more capable enemies.

I’m unsure if people have played the same build as I did but I did this vs FSP which is basically old stacked GvG players and never “bad pug” blobs and I’m destroying melee/backline with this

Mmm this is against Mag who has all the old stacked GvG players, and never “bad pug” blobs for NA servers. Mixed results still hold. The sustain condi meta guilds aren’t affected much by this build. The guilds that still have glassy back liners fall victim, yes.

So tell me this, you guys run zerk warriors? Staff thief pumps out more damage currently. And is even less vulnerable to condi cus of the evade spam so you won’t die

Chinchilla.1785:

Works wonders in Eotm, and bad pug blobs (e.g. like all the returning/pve players lol). Mixed results against more capable enemies.

I’m unsure if people have played the same build as I did but I did this vs FSP which is basically old stacked GvG players and never “bad pug” blobs and I’m destroying melee/backline with this

I disagree, you have power warriors who only brings raw damage/and CC from hammer but that’s pretty much the same as basi venom which is also unblockable compared to warrior hammer (5 targets). The advantage thief has compared to a warrior is boonrip, 3 boons stolen which prioritizes stab on enemy so if u see ur team bombing and u steal a melee and rip his stab he is 100% dead. This build will ofc not work without a group with stab just as any melee build except guardian

The idea behind stealing melee without the burst but you get the idea: https://youtu.be/nUemnKVsCis?t=1031

Heres a earlier stage of staff thief with pug commander in EB its uncut footage:
https://youtu.be/IQnGLbV9KE0

The thing that I like about this build is that it’s flexible, you vaulting into backline and doing 10k vaults on squishy ele/necros makes them panic and you are literally unkillable there, this also removes the focus from your melee completely which you can see on the vods as well

Yeah I tried two blob builds with condi. Double shortbow DA-TR-DD tried it as both trailblazer/carrion – sigil of venom/sigil of bursting – sigil of corruption-energy spam choking and lotus dodge in it but i didn’t like the build as much as acro staff.

Problem with that one is that you can only burst one player with steal and dodge on him etc to condi bomb. If u want to run like a backline choking has such a bad range and u cant stack as much condi so its just not good enough imo, i could record it as well if interested to see

Just wanted to showcase the possibility of frontline thief: https://t.co/OqKBA1dOqV

It’s a very selfish build the only “support” you can give is signet of agi which gives you endurance/3 condi clear to your teammates other than that it’s just pure damage