“It (deadeye) cant compete with any old hot spec or any of the new ones.” -Sindrener (Source)
“Like I can go on and on about how little viable DE really is.” -Same as above
Sind also isn’t a creator or innovator of thief specs. Kinda like Helseth on Mesmer y’know?
My personal opinion on fighting DE’s over that weekend was they have stupid ranged damage. Legit broken with the numbers they put out. Is that viable in highly organized PvP tournaments? I’m not the one to say, but I can say it’s viable in ranked queue.
One of the things we don’t know is how the entire meta will pan out b/c it’s too early to tell. We have to wait for the player base to fully get their hands on the xpac and develop new builds. Once this happens the Meta will pan out and you can subjectively judge where DE stands.
Because the top meta thief build haven’t changed since 2014, i’m not gonna create a build that is weaker just to be innovative. However if you look at minor tweaks everyone has followed what I have picked, since HoT start until now being sigils and runes.
Also I’m purely talking about the 5v5 tourney aspect about DE being viable, I couldn’t care any less about ranked, hell you can play S/D power and reach top10 in EU then you can literally play anything.
Check it mate I’m not flaming you just stating that you haven’t ever been the innovator of thief builds. I can readily admit I haven’t been the innovator of Mesmer builds too. Even your boy Helseth doesn’t innovate. It’s not a bad thing just some people do it better than others.
That being said I agree with you on DE in organized 5v5. I just differ as I don’t know what the rest of PoF is bringing to the table. It might be that DD mobility isn’t needed and the extremely high single target burst of DE is. We don’t know yet.
And thats what i said, theres nothing to innovate since the build is literally the same lol none of the new builds that have came up touches dp, not that I care if i’m not an innovator, I’m merely saying there isn’t anything to innovate lmao
Actually when HoT release for quite some time d/p dash wasn’t the best load out for a thief. That’s neither here nor there now so moving on. There are ways to innovate in today’s game as well……
Look at s/d condi now. Again that’s some really smart innovation to use a predominately power build w/ zero condi application as a condi load out. The fella who created bunker rev. Another example albeit a different class, but none the less that fella really created a nice build.
There’s always room for innovative new builds with each balance patch. You and MANY of the top players aren’t innovating the builds mostly. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it either.
dp dash was always the strongest in terms of 5v5 play so ill disagree on that, and again you are bringing up builds that has no place in 5v5 that would compete with the meta builds, so again no point innovating new builds that are weaker.
Problem in start of hot in 5v5 tourneys was that you could class stack as much as you wanted so there was no point bringing a thief. Meanwhile we had tons of success with it in scrims as rev/thief comp vs vM for pro leauge s1/2 finals vs their 2x rev.
Also this condi S/D build has been out since pretty much start of HoT as a D/P version with pressure strike etc, also variants of S/D. It was just never good enough until potent poison, and still can’t compete with a DP thief in 5v5 cus the lack of stealth openings/speed of rotation of dash and just lack of stealth for +1s. So i wouldn’t really call slapping on S/D being innovative rofl.
I’ll say this again, if someone comes up with a build that would remove the meta build being played I’d call that something good, until then I couldn’t care any less (5v5 cus again I couldn’t care about ranked q anything is viable there).
And I think you are wrong with saying it’s not the top players that have created most meta builds.
Tage/Denshee S1 viper retri rev with dura, same with the power version with dura/zerk amu.
Frostball with condi mes
Helseth bunker mes
prolly forgot tons of others
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/168162426?t=11m25s
Look that’s you failing to innovate. Watch Caed’s video on DE compared to yours and you’ll see the truth of the matter.
I never said NONE of the innovation comes from ex ESL players I said MANY of them don’t innovate. If I remember correctly Helseth didn’t create the bunker mesmer. I don’t think he even started playing until he had too.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Chrono-bunker/first
I don’t understand your animosity on this subject as no one is attacking you.
Have a good day
Clueless. I say it again since you don’t seem to understand.
There is 0 reason to innovate a build as long as it cannot replace drd dp dash in terms of being more optimal. Do you comprehend? If you don’t understand this, there is nothing to discuss.
http://www.twitch.tv/sindrenerr