Guild Wars 2

mexay.3902:

Then you join a guild and make new friends or wait till a regular group is LFM

You shouldn’t try to force yourself onto groups that have clearly specified they don’t want inexperienced players? Are you seriously expecting them not to be upset when you say “Hey guys this is my first time!” or worse yet, nothing at all?

You are at fault if you join a group that specifies it does not want inexperienced players.

people are also forgetting that gw2lfg.com still exists and at the moment with very few people using the lfg tool you can still get a group there so if you cant find one with the tool check there. If you still cant find it then spend that extra 10 min to get a guild group.

You should post this in the players helping players and the general discussion thread and ask for it to be stickied. Good job but i dont know how much use it will be in this subforum.

mexay.3902:

Bloody scrub Karn. I only asked for AP because I was unsure about the LFG system and didn't want to get grouped with people that don't know how to dodge

Since this whole thread was about LFG not about elitists or me arguing about my build and being butt!hurt have you actually had any good experiences with LFG. From what i see we cant judge the full potential because theyre arent enough people using it yet to get a good group everytime. That being said all my groups so far have been pretty terrible. Like people only speaking french or people who dont listen when you say stack in TA u/u

Man this guy is worse than vayne. I mean at least vayne has logical arguments, although i dont agree with them, they are logical and he is smart about the way he phrases them. He also has some form of reading comprehension. VAYNE WHERE ARE YOU I NEED YOU TO BE THE YIN TO MY YANG.

oh and the most ironic thing of all, he said i was taking it into the kitten by using a cookie cutter build. Isnt that just discrimination in its own way. You just assume that people using builds that are meta are bad payers who capitulate to the whims of experienced players. Not people who like to quickly finish things and want effective builds so they might one day be able to get into speed running groups…

Your build is hipster congrats. You arent cookie cutter with the dps scepter dagger (which isnt really cookie cutter and neither is dps guard which i have been trying to tell you but you wont listen) you also arent helpful to most groups.

Also stop assuming what builds i like. That is the worst thing you can do. You are about as bad as those terrible elitists (these are actually the bad kind of elitists) who assume all engineers / necros are bad.

i deleted my posts because i realized they werent adding to this discussion. We were just going back and forth in a flame war and im pretty sure this thread would be closed and locked if this keeps up.
i only deleted my rant btw not my main argument. If you want here is my rant in a nutshell. I dont like you assuming you know what cookie cutter builds are. If you want to be terrible be that way but dont act as if you understand other classes just because you think everyone who runs zerker likes to “$$$$$$$COF P1 Zerker only $$$$$$$$”. You are being elitist in your own way thinking that those who choose the effective path are below you. As Brazil once said, the worst elitists are casuals who look down upon others who want fast runs and great dps. Aaah now my guts have exploded trying to deal with a person who lacks in reading comprehension and is proving to be a worse elitist than the OP.

Conncept.7638:

champ.7021:

Oh and thanks for ruining peoples dungeon experiences. And dont think that because you got away with your build you were as good as “elites”. most likely you werent running with any actual elites just people who wanted moderately good runs and probably couldnt tell how bad your dps was.

The kitten is strong with this one…

irony at its finest. Also lets not digress from this topic by reducing ourselves to children and start bickering and telling each other we’re taking it in the kitten .

Conncept.7638:

Glad to hear you help players, as do I. But with the amount of players who help ‘kitteny’ players to the amount who do not, the majority are going to be ‘kitteny’ players forever.

And yes, frankly, helping people, being kind and unselfish and treating people with respect is superior to being a royal prick who thinks of no one but himself. It is a fact, and I will say so without hesitation or embarrassment. These exclusive groups may have five people, but each is thinking of himself and no one else, or else they would not exclusively work in such groups in the first place.

And frankly, nothing is more immature than believing being a royal prick is requisite for being an adult.

Ok long post coming up, i didnt want to type this but here it goes.
Now a couple moths ago i was a kitten player. I had just gotten to level 80 on my warrior and was watching Dontain’s videos for god knows what reason. I spent like a week getting enough gold and karma to get a full set of pvt armor for a shout heal build. The first couple of dungeons i did, after watching guides mind you, didnt mind my terribad build because they probably didnt realize how bad it was. they should have though because i was using sword shield and gs because i thought that was cool looking. Anyways long story short i got kicked from a group in TA because someone told me i had a bad build and i should be using zerker. So what did i do? i went ahead and researched zerker builds and found Nike’s build on gw2guru and worked to get the gear for it. I also started to watch his guilds speed runs and eventually became a better player. If it hadnt been for those darned elitists who kicked me i would still be a terrible warrior and player in general. People who accept anyone and everyone into their group may be helping with the niceness in gw2 but not the skill. Firstly there are enough groups that dont need you to be experienced to join so thats not an issue. Secondly groups that dont explain to people their builds are bad are hurting those terribad players from ever joining experienced groups.And for your information i have told people their builds need improvement and what did i recieve. A very nice kick in the kitten .

So go ahead and preach your ideology but understand that experienced groups are there for a reason, for people who enjoy the game and are good to be able to have dungeon runs that dont take hours, especially when they have limited time. I thought that last post would stop you from continuing to debate a non issue but clearly it didnt. Let people play the way they want and stop trying to force your opinions on others.

Conncept.7638:

Well that makes you an exception, not a rule. Did you even read the opening post? He wouldn’t accept anyone below a certain amount of AP, sorry but that is elitism. Don’t know why you are defending it if you clearly don’t agree with it.

Why do you care if some people want to run with only experienced people. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with that and if you are new, as i said before, join a guild and ask there or join one of the groups that say anyone welcome and have fun with those 1 hr ac p3 runs. The only thing i disagree with is the AP requirement because that just shows people enjoy doing the faceroll LS content.

Wait how can you be racist, all the races in this game are pretty cool, except sylvari those green leafy dudes are weird as heck
#colorblind #nvmidontlikegreen #itsnoteasybeinggreenanditshouldntbe

Conncept.7638:

Here’s a novel idea, how ’bout players like you actually run people through the dungeon and teach them, instead of scaring them off with kitten like this. Then when you want to run you will actually have people to run it with.

Most players I know still haven’t even run all the dungeons after a year of solid play, largely because of players like you.

You’re like the industries that demand nothing but experienced professionals for years and years then can’t figure out why there are no more experienced professionals once that generation retires. People need experience, to become, experienced.

if you’re new you shouldnt be relying on pug groups to teach you, you should ask your guild. If you want to pug at least watch a guide and learn how to listen to people.

Wow everything gets lost in the suggestions subforum

Anyways another example of when this is useful is if you have weapons with different colors. That can be really difficult to judge. My war still doesnt have a good mace to match my reaver of the mists. My guardian has a king toads sword and im not sure whether it will go well with the anomaly. Hard decisions and i have wasted a lot of gold on them.

Varonth.5830:

Fortus.6175:

No, la verdad es que no hay casi necesidad de hablar el mismo lenguage. De echo, la mayoria de las veces simplemente un ping (Ctrl + boton derecho del raton) es todo lo que necesitas, y ni siquiera eso, simplemente con tener experiancia ya. otras cosas podrian ser sicronizaciones pero 3 2 1 funciona.

Pues nada, que no hay necesidad de comunicarse a no ser como un foro como este que si se necesita sobrepasar la barera del lenguage.

TL;DR: Most dungeons dont even need you to speak the same lenguage, I have had 4 chinese dude with me, ran all 3 CoE paths and 3 AC paths in a row, not a single word exchanged except 3 2 1 for CoE, it was beautiful.

But what if someone does not know an exploit or cheese tactic? How should OP tell them how to do it :P

Or how to tell someone who doesnt speak english and is new that you have to stay in the cage in cof p1. Took us like 10 min to get this guy to stay in his bubble.

nexxe.7081:

There should be penalties for kicking people. Some players are probably new to the game, and then you get elitists that kick them. You’re only hurting the GW2 community, instead of helping them.

i never kick people from my group. What happens is i tell people like full signet warriors with two swords that their build sucks for pve and i tell bearbow rangers that their build sucks as well (usually its in a nicer manner). What happens then….I get kicked. So i dont think kicking terrible players from groups is bad because how will they learn their build is bad.
Plz dont say that everyone has a right to run whatever build they want. Yes they can do that but dungeons are not a solo affair. You do it as a group and when you run a bad build you are hurting your group especially those who dont like wasting time just so one person can have “fun” with their terribad build.

I need karma for obi shards as well as some weapon and armor skins…. they cost alot

and i agree mf stat was bad but i think they replaced what took people a little bit of time to get to 300% with a new system which takes alot longer to max out.

edit: never had mf gear and i know about retrait however i also knew people with multiple sets one of them being mf and didnt need to change the gear because they already had every useful set.

Tiger.7506:

ANet got burned by players acquiring exotics too quickly

I still dont get why they care how fast people get weapons and armor. The game is, or was supposed to be played for fun and for the experience of doing dungeons / LS/ wvw/ spvp. However with this new ascended stuff the game has just become a grind for gear in order to be able to do that stuff (besides spvp). I wish Anet would just understand their own game and their community.

I like this idea alot except for the player rating system. Since most pugs get kitten whenever someone comments on their build or explains how to do something or says omg most good players who might sometimes get a little angry sometimes would have a terrible rating. Other than that i like this idea because every single group ive joined through this tool has been absolutely terrible.

also it would be better if you were able to see what level a person was before you let them join your group and maybe even be able to see what weapons and armor they use.

Just delete your stacks imagine how little they would sell for. They would be like silk scraps which go for nothing.

Luck is just another example of getting account bound stuff that has no lucking use once you have enough. i.e 15 fractal torches and 20 stacks of bloodstone dust. I wish they would stop taking things like karma away from us. I spent all my karma right before the patch not knowing it would be nerfed and im sitting at lik3 30k not moving up any more. lucking ridiculous

also i feel really bad for people who spent the gold on mf armor and lost it just because Anet decided they didnt want it in the game and changed it to a longwinded system to get 300%

KingClash.3186:

Saw this in a thread awhile back.

+a bazillion
good job to whoever made that

I think this is definitely a needed improvement. Whenever i go to preview an offhand sometimes i have real difficulty telling if it will go with my current weapon or with a weapon im planning to get. I think it would be good to be able to preview multiple weapons.

Lalocat.6793:

Khisanth.2948:

Tagus Eleuthera.7305:

Honestly any job with a 25% speed boost would be worth playing

That would mean mesmer is the only class not worth playing. :p

I really want to play mesmer, but I’m so used to the boost that I found it really painful. Looked it up when I was level 7 or something, and deleted the character. Made a necro instead.

IMO mesmer is alot more fun than necro and actually more useful in dungeons and such. Necros bring dps but it doesnt match other classes while mesmer can bring dps and utilities. You should try it out. At first i didnt like it but since ive started leveling one up its starting to become my favorite class

Ive used this tool 3 times so far.
First time was an ac all paths group where one person dced another just left and when we got two more from the lfg they were both lvl 40 and slowed us down enormously.
second time was a cof run with a mesmer advertising to be the best mesmer ever. Normally i dont join people with stupid ads like this, but i did it for fun. Turns out he was the worst mesmer, didnt even use focus pull.
Last time was for arah lf experienced people, if by experienced they meant experienced in kittening things up because after i saw everyone ranging crusher and wiping because they didnt understand how to dodge or that melee is easier i just left

So far this tool is a piece of kitten.

whether or not they bring in new tiers its already gone too far. As someone who joined the game 5 months ago(well i got it near launch but didnt play for a long time bc of school) i have had a very hard time catching up with people. Took me forever to get ascended trinkets leveling up fractals getting nice weapons and armor and making new alts. Imagine what would happen to someone who came into this game near 2014 (or whenever they release ascended armor). He/she would probably be months of time gated content behind everyone else, and thats not including the stuff that person probably missed from LS.

Vayne.8563:

The more I think about ascended stuff, the less I like it. I still don’t see the whole doom and gloom aspect, but that’s another story.

There are things I’d like to do in the game that I’d have to put on hold if I want to do the stuff Anet wants me to do.

Which I think is one of the main complaints I’m seeing if I’m not mistaken.

Yup you got that right. Main thing people dont like about ascended is that to have bis gear they have to do things they hate doing. I think thats the argument in most of these anti-grind threads

? ranger is not bad for dungeons. sword warhorn is pretty freaking great. And they are good in open world in the sense that you can just stand back and bearbow the hell out of mobs without taking a hit.
although yes 90% or more of rangers are bad at dungeons especially the kudzu twilight guys

The worst thing about ascended as many people have probably already said is that it makes you focus on just one character instead of experiencing the whole game and all the “content” attached to different classes and races. for example i want to change my human warrior into a norn but i probably wont because my warrior has full ascended and i doubt i will have the patience to do that again. Honestly they shouldnt have added ascended trinkets or weapons into this game and they shouldnt add in armor.

spoj.9672:

Hmm seems anet have decided to change their stance on selling dungeon slots all of a sudden.

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/380793184047366144

WHY!!! i just started selling spots… kittenING ANET

All classes are great its builds that are bad

Nikaido.3457:

@champ

I love the da——____mning with faint praise! keep it up. No seriously, it’s funny.

it made you laugh thank god it wasnt all in Vayne

Vayne.8563:

But actual content is a matter of opinion. Saying that we haven’t had actual content because he doesn’t like the content trivializes the opinions of all the people who do like that content. And I’m pretty sure it’s a far bigger number than he suspects.

He could say no content I like or no content that I find challenging, but instead, he chose to post the term actual content. Well, I hate to break it to you, but in those terms, he’s completely wrong.

What he meant, and the way he phrased it puts him as the ultimate arbiter of what makes good content, and frankly, I don’t think anyone can put themselves in that light.

The problem is, I’m reasonably saying it’s a content and how he phrased his post makes a misleading argument.

I think the game’s concurrency figures are growing, and if what he said was true, well…that wouldn’t likely be the case.

How many people like the “content” in gw2 doesnt mean that its content. How many people like GW when he was president after 9/11. Everyone in the US pretty much. Turns out he was a kitten kittener.

Also the absolutist attitude that Nikaido represents is that of any critic. For when it comes to criticism, speaking in a compromising tone gets nowhere. You need the extremes to get to the midway point. For example when the constitution was being discussed Hamilton created a plan that was so radical that it actually pull people to the middle. Thats why extremes work because when you compromise even a little as a critic you get no where. People who decide shouldnt be extreme but i mean nikaido is pretentious anyways so its all good.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books-and-arts/mad-about-children

see how the critic says things staright out without being wishywashy. Grow up and realize that not everyone talks in a back and forth way. That doesnt mean you should disregard their opinion because like Nikaidos although its extreme its pretty close to what i feel and what others feel.

Yup because if you understood what he meant by actual content he didnt mean that there was no content. He meant there was no actual content, no real content it was all just tricks to keep people playing, i.e. Dailys, Monthlys, Time Gated Dungeons and World Bosses, Ascended Weapons……

you’re like the kid in my class who uses stupid semantic arguments to annoy the kitten out of people who say something using the connotation of a word and not the denotation of the word.

also not defending his whole argument i was just making the point that as individuals we should be able to decide what content is and what isnt content and be able to voice the opinion. We will never know whos right when it comes to the definition of content. People have argued over Catcher in the Rye wondering whether it is a valid book or not, whether it is filled with deep content or a shallow story of teen anxt. Maybe Nikaidos wrong and maybe im wrong as well but critics are always in the minority and sometimes they are right

@Chuo LMAO

Vayne.8563:

Nikaido.3457:

This game will obviously either tank or it might have found the dumbest community and took it as its own. There is no content. The last actual content introduction was fractals.

Do you know the number of people who play this game who don’t give a fig about the Fractals at all? Do you believe most players want challenging content? Do you believe that the fractals are what this game was meant to be about?

If so, I don’t know what to say.

Actual content. As if you or anyone else has a right to say this is good content and this is bad content. And you know, I like the fractals and all, but I much prefer the Teq battle. For that matter, I prefer Sanctum Sprint and Southsun Survival.

So who then has the right to say what is content. Sure you prefer Teq and sanctum spring and southsun survival and i bet most people do. That doesnt make it content. especially sanctum spring and southsun survival. But if thats what people want thats what they get. However just because most people want a certain kind of “content” doesnt mean that the minority should be left unattended to. In fact the minority are probably the people who play the game the most, the hardcore crowd. I prefer Dungeons and Fractals to all of the other content in this game. I dont even do dailys anymore and i havent even been playing as long as everyone else. Honestly Anet needs to stop devoting as much time to LS and start focussing on bringing in permanent content. I dont mean to say stop LS (although thats what i want) bc most people like it but they need permanent things that people can get better at. And even when the bring permanent content through ls or so they say they will i bet it will be more open world and then one dungeone like molten facility thats boring as kitten.

also to your argument that no one can say what content is, thats kind of a bad idea. Think of it in terms of books. We have critics who say what good content is and what bad content is. Thats why critics dont say anything good about twilight but they will keep publishing articles and speaking highly about Invisible Man. Why? because IM and all great literature is filled with content that is longstanding and interesting that grips you as you read it. Now back to gw2. yes there is content but its not that gripping. I mean most people probably do the champ farm and read dufly while quickly finishing achievements and doing dailys. Is it content yes. Is it good interesting content no (well majority of it is not). It is a mockery of content which gives shallow stories written by 5 year olds and pushes them out as fast as the zhaitan fight was pushed out. They do seem to be taking steps in the right direction with tequatl and SAB tribulation mode but as it stands now gw2 is the twilight of mmos.

(No i have not read twilight i have just heard from friends how awful and poorly written it is.)

also the target audience: “if you like mmos then you should check out gw2, if you hate mmos you really want to check out gw2”

OP is an OG
good job with the post
+100000

darkace.8925:

champ.7021:

So this is about how engineers cant really use legendarys because they rely on kits right?
DW most people with legendarys cant use them either :p

Yep. I wonder if I should make a complaint thread about how my elementalist can’t use Bifrost when he’s wielding conjured weapons. Or how my guardian can’t use Flameseeker Prophecies when I’ve weapon swapped to my staff.

not exactly what i meant. Was going for more like “most people with legendarys cant use them because they suck….”(not what i think i was just joking based off that thread the other day of how legendary users are worse)
But i still dont get what the OP wants them to do about it. Should they make engineer weapons more op than kits or should they just make legendary kits? the only thing they should do is keep the aura of the legendary on the character when they use kits.

So this is about how engineers cant really use legendarys because they rely on kits right?
DW most people with legendarys cant use them either :p

yeah you cant skip the spider i was showing the video for just the burrow part bc spider is easy to solo anyways.

Im not sure if this still works or if its legit (i dont see why not) but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcyxhU6Kd6A
at 2:50
(warning he is a clicker)

Theres no harm in testing it out. Its not like Anet have had their rng in check all the time, remember the final rest fiasco

Zudet are you…are you a gw2 god?!?!

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Mace is just fine if you build it right. 10/30/10/20 with Writ of Persistence does about the same amount of damage as a comparable build on sword and has better AOE capabilities.

The problem is that everyone runs 0/0/30/30/10 cleric mace, but that’s a problem with the player, not the weapon.

Really!! Guess you learn something everyday
still going to be disappointed when i get a mace shield guardian because 99% of the time (no citation just extrapolating based off my experiences) they’re using a support build

Ursan.7846:

Remember guys, the one time people were actually right about ecto salvages, people were posting sample sizes of 4000+.

Would cost about 880g assuming each rare is about 22s each. Someone should do it :p
although seriously speaking the salvage rate should end up with either a profit or breaking near to even so if someone does spend the 880g to salvage 4000+ rares (oh forgot to factor in salvage kit costs) they probably wouldnt lose much.

10/10 would read again

and yeah total makeover kit is zomg amazing, I think ive probably spent 200g so far on makeover kits and hair kits

Yup making the salvage rate at least 1 would be the best.
Honestly even though my salvage rate has been terrible for a while now its mostly just rng and like precursors some people will have good luck and others will not.
Making the salvage rate at least 1 would decrease the ecto price to what it was before the cof nerf and before the ascended weapon scam release

Stats – berserker
weapons – sword/ focus sword / pistol
You will have no vitality or toughness but you dont need those in pve content. Just learn how to dodge. Most bosses in this game have a large windup or have similar timing for their attacks. Also make sure to watch videos on certain dungeon paths from a mesmers perspective (if you intend on doing dungeons which you should). You will start to understand how to use your utilities and you skills like focus pull, null field, reflect, and time warp.

also if you want to level up faster make sure to finish off areas(100% map completion for an area hearts, poi, vistas) and do storys when your a level or two lower than what you should be.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/84947-mesmerizing-the-enemy-guide-to-mesmer-swordx-dps-builds/

yup rng sucks

salvage 8 rare helmets bought using hotw tokens : 7 ectos
salvaged 10 rare helmets bought using cof tokens : 6 ectos
salvaged 5 random rares from world events and dungeons : 3 ectos (2 from one and 1 from another)
^using masters

salvaged 10 exotics got dark matter from each cant remember how many and got ectos from all but i used black lion for those.

i dont think they care about selling paths. Especially if its done legitimately i.e. someone drops out and gets paid later or the path is done with less than 5 people.
If they do care than thats kind of messed up because the only reward for duoing or soloing dungeons is being able to sell spots

Lol this was a bad idea posting this here, eiher idiots will get mad saying “oh selling paths you probably kicked someone” or others will say “its immoral to sell spots”
anyways its free bc you get 3g from the path so -3g + 3g = 0

Yup take a guardian wall of reflect is essential to dpsing bosses at melee range. Also id suggest one of your other members also make a guardian just in case you ever want to play thief because it gets boring to play guard every single time. Also you dont really need to level up to their level just make sure you have enough ar and someone in your group is at the right level.

PS: take a zerker guardian unless your group is really bad. But even then playing as a zerker guard not only improves you but also your group especially if you will be playing together for a long time

I dont really see why personal storyline would be too difficult. Just replace the personal storyline someone has with their new races one. No matter what choices you make the story converges onto the same point so make a requirement for using the the race change be that you have to be on a certain level mission which is the same for all choices.
Honestly i really think this would be a good thing to implement because not everyone knows exactly what race they will like by the time they get to 80. For example i recently deleted my ranger because i wanted a norn one, a lvl 80 that i had spent over 120g on. I want to do the same with my warrior and change that to a norn as well bc my guardian is already a human but ive spent alot more than 120g on my warrior and i dont want to lose all my gear and dyes just to change races.
and yes i would pay 20$ to change my race

oh didnt even think of that, nice idea. Honestly even though there is alot of customization in this game its been a year and i think we need some new stuff like armors, weapons, faces, hairs, town clothes, etc. And through design competitions they dont really need to do alot of work to add these features. (yes work to implement them but no wasted time on coming up with new designs)

In gw1 there was a design a weapon competition. Many of the winners designs were actually used and their weapons could be found in dungeons and what not.
So why dont we have a design competition in gw2? Not just for weapons but maybe for everything. Like a design a backpiece and a design town clothes competition. It would be really cool and a way for the community to decide on some designs they would like to see in game. Plus maybe some of the designs like town clothes could be sold in the gem store.
anyways i would like to hear your thoughts on this idea