Hate alts? You can get tokens just as fast as a person with no alts. You are not penalized or given preferential treatment by the designers.
The work it takes to get an alt should be rewarded with something. They did hurt my alts especially since they changed it and took it away they didnt just have it since the beginning. And now with 7 levels per craft i cant even craft new ones. grrrrrrrr..
There’s indeed a curious looting system in this game. Some people noticed what i also did: that if u stop play the game for a while, and u start again u will get better rewards for a short period right after. But if u constantly play it u have overall lower chances to get rare loot. It’s a strategy whose purpose is to motivate players , but it’s wrong since the one who spend more time in it deserves a good drop also.
one guy said in LA that he gets better chances in the mf with lower level toons. He said he kept one at level 2 for months just to forge. That made my day
well dont worry people made a thread about this before in the general discussion sub forum and anet….glanced at it…..
its probably not going to change for a while. Just keep grinding them fractals and stuff and you should get enough.
I am really concerned if they will continue this trend and only put the good looking armor sets into the cash shop – for doubly obvious reasons.
That would be a perfectly acceptable thing to do. Cosmetic skins in the shop.
There’s a flaw in that stance.
ANet seems to want to revert to horizontal progression rather than vertical once Ascended is all out. We’ve yet to see the proposed skill system, so we have no idea if that will work out. Skins have been part of horizontal progression going back to GW. Failing to provide skins that people can feel they are playing to get (not just farming gold to buy gems) is going to sink that part of horizontal progression.
There needs to be a mix of skins so that some can be obtained through play and some can be bought. It can’t just be unappealing skins and back pieces through play. Well, not if they’re serious about horizontal progression as a major component of endgame.
There are plenty of nice skins, both in-game ane in gem shop. And there will be more.
You can’t complain if the weight is going to be more on the shop. That’s how the game was always supposed to be funded.
Agreed. But horizontal progression, seeking gear skins, was supposed to be how people were kept playing the game in order to be enticed to spend money in that gemshop. A mix, as Indigo mentioned, would be a solid way of driving that interaction between gemshop sales and player retention through horizontal progression.
Agreed. I Really do not like about the idea that all skins that I have so far will be “useless” when this gear with higher stats comes in to game.
Why does ascended items need to have higher stats? Why woun’t it be just additional infusion slot. You could go though process of ascending your existing (exotic) armor (like we did in Gw1).
- I don’t want to be locked to one character (tendious / time locked prosess to get items)
- I don’t want to be “left behind” with my exotics (not taken into instances, considered less useful on wvw, etc)
My own ramble:
I am feeling very same that I felt when first ascended items came into game. My reduced playing time and more frequent content updates doesn’t help either. I mean, I love that I always have something to do when I log-in. But sometimes it just feels too much for the time I have.
I am member of nice guild, I got to do Twilight Assault dungeon with then at the moment I logged in(literally said “hi, have everyone already done the new instance?” and got invite to party that was forming). It took 2h and after that I idled a bit in LA with guild, changed my necromancers hair and that was all I had time to do. I still haven’t event looked ascended weapons and I see more and more people with those.
I was trying to get trough SAB (yay for surprise bauble-gate via “you must get torch”) while Tequalt changes came. So all my time went into SAB jumping and boss week daily event hunting. Maybe with this patch I could do some “normal” gaming… you know… something that I could do just for fun and not “I must do this now, before it is gone”.
My question would be to the grinders who wanted these ascended weapons: " if they just made legendary armor would you have been satisfied?"
they took it out (not entirely) when they put luck in…i dont remember exactly all i know is im not going to get enough karma for a legendary any time soon…
i think they nerfed it. However, fractals supposedly still give a fair amount of karma. I wouldnt know though havent done fractals since the nerf to karma.
Sry i meant cater to bis stats not require it. Atm all content we have is able to be completed by any group composition and any stat/ quality. Truly challenging content should not be this way, it should be catered towards a good group composition with the best quality gear or second best. Almost every single dungeon in this game can be completed with 3 bearbows and 2 clerics guardians making it faceroll for everyone else. I dont want ascended as bis either what i meant was that whatever is bis should be catered towards in the hardest content because then why waste time getting it. To make the game even more easy.
edited to explain my views better. I dont want ascended to be necessary either im just posing a question on why we shouldnt just have it useful somewhere besides fractals. When armor comes out content will be even easier than before because of ascended stats increase and its not like challenging content that im talking about cant be completed in exotic its just that with ascended it would be a little bit easier.
It seems that ascended armor will be making its way into the game. Even though i dont like this i wondered if this could be a good opportunity for anet to add challenging content into the game. What i mean is not teqautl slightly organized zerg content but instanced dungeons.
So with the ascended weapons why not create dungeons that are truly challenging that caters to bis stats and also requires good group composition. This is the one thing that is really lacking in gw2 the competitiveness. Not only are there few challenges there are also no achivements or rewards or recognition given to those who complete challenges i.e. solo lupicus. So why not create dungeons like this that even award people who get the fastest times and stuff. There are many people like me who want challenges where you have to pay attention and have to bring good people along so that you can get better and have a sense of satisfaction at the end of finishing the dungeon. I know most people will just say “no you elitist why should they make things harder so people cant play how they want”. My answer to this is ascended weapons already broke play how you want since you cant get it by just playing how you want so why cant we have challenging content now.
Is there any reason why we shouldnt? I mean alot of people dont even care about dungeons and if they added new ones that were hard and also added ones like the current ones no one would mind…well no one reasonable.
Edit: this content wouldnt just be completable with ascended it would be like how content is now where you can use masterwork gear but exotic makes it a heck of a lot easier. So in the case of these dungeons rare would be the masterwork gear… this idea however doesnt revolve around just ascended its just a way to put ascended to good use it can be done without ascended im just wondering why we shouldnt have challenging content atm. the distinguishing factor of challenging content and not challenging is that not any class composition should be able to finish it meaning you have to go in with some skill and a good build / group composition to succeed.
You can do that, playing the game will net you dailies which in turn you can get ascended trinkets for. It will get even easier if you do guild missions but you dont really have to. That leaves an ascended weapon which you can get via a drop if you opt not to craft one. I
yeah that great drop where you dont get to choose your stats but you do get to choose your weapon so you can get an extra useless greatsword to take up space in your inventory/bank. the only way to get ascended is through crafting dont even kid yourself that you can get a drop that you will like.
then get it through crafting if you dont want to gamble. Getting it through crafting involves an effort that getting through the content you’re playing anyway doesnt, Its fair those who go through the trouble should have some form of advantage. Besides to craft it its most likely playing that same content anyway.
no its not. dragonite ore does not come from dungeons. I dont do world bosses or temples and i dont want to, especially since ascended weapons and now armor have no place in open world because open world is kittening easy. Those who go through the trouble of leveling up fractals and knowing the ins and outs of every dungeon dont get kitten but those who go through the trouble of grinding for a couple of days get better stats then me just because they are fine doing what anet wants while im not. wheres the sense in that…oh wait there is none. Ascended weapons and armor were meant for one thing and that was to waste peoples time who wanted more kitten to grind for. Theres no other purpose than anet pandering to the will of (its not even the majority) a selective group that doesnt know what to do without a new shiny. And all this while anet still has only made two permanent changes: tequatl (terrible kitten) and the new ta path (not bad but still filled with gimmicks and bad ai). Thanks for giving us a grind but nothing to do after the grind…
Edit: didnt see you were trying to say that those who do things in the game that i dont do deserve better stats? that someone who doesnt just play dungeons but does casual stuff as well deserves better stats? heres a suggestion go back in time to when CJ was an innocent dev who had never tasted money or never had the trouble of keeping his players playing. He had the idea that everyone be at the same level so skill would trump stats. Then he noticed that LS wasnt doing so well and that people wanted more to do. So he broke his promise and the promise of anet and now we’re here where people are defending ascended weapons when they have no place in the game and the defense is weak at best.
Yeah looks are bad but the grind is worse. But who cares about grind now that ascended weapons are out of the bag it doesnt matter……oh well i guess ill go face palm through a million more world events so i can do fractals with bis stats (wheres the logic in that).
But there is no reason to worry because if you haven’t noticed yet these armours do not have any infusion slots so there wont be such a big rush to get it. Infusion slots will probably be added later when most people will already have full sets.
How do you know this? arent the stats on the chat links for ascended armor wrong its just the looks that are right?
I think there are some possible color combinations, which let them look not that bad
not so sure about the first two but i your last two dye setups are pretty good. They look fine but for ascended they are still lackluster sort of like the ascended weapons…guess anet realized they can design anything and people will still go along.
Edit: your second dye is pretty good as well, but the armor still looks bad.
this merging was bad. There was one thread for people talking about how ascended armor shouldnt be released and a whole different thread on how it looked…those are not the same thing at all…now its just going to get muddled
You can do that, playing the game will net you dailies which in turn you can get ascended trinkets for. It will get even easier if you do guild missions but you dont really have to. That leaves an ascended weapon which you can get via a drop if you opt not to craft one. I
yeah that great drop where you dont get to choose your stats but you do get to choose your weapon so you can get an extra useless greatsword to take up space in your inventory/bank. the only way to get ascended is through crafting dont even kid yourself that you can get a drop that you will like.
Probably just a matter of them having ascended everything else already so… armor time.
this is why im bringing it up. this is the last chance before they put this into the game and after this is updated theres no going back. Anet will not take it out and its all too sad that people are fine with it. I dont understand how. Can you imagine the grind it will take to get the pieces. If anet makes the whole set one craft then i wouldnt mind it and that would be at least a compromise. But if they make every single piece a separate time gated craft it will really suck.
Just as a breather – I for one am in love with the look of the new armors.
They won’t please everyone, but I’m glad an armor (or all three, actually) is finally being added to the game that I personally enjoy.
Also as far as bridging the gap, they meant in effort, time, and energy spent in gathering the items, not the stats.
We already had that. Good looking exotics bridged the gaps between only for stat exotics and legendarys. i.e. Infinite light, foefires essence, volcanus, whisperblade etc… those were the in between of exotics and legendarys then they added ascended because….reasons
I’m kinda glad they’re only available in the kits. It would be unfair that new players get to pick these hairstyles while the people who created their characters at launch get shafted.
Yes why should someone who joins the game a year after release have access to more options than someone who bought the game right away?
What is the point of exotic/rare etc? I bet they planned it long before GW2 released. Ascended armor takes its place. That is all.
Simple. Exotic is for gearing up and rares are for loot. It was perfectly fine without ascended armor because it cant be loot because they made it account bound and it wasnt necessary for gearing up because people had already done that. Yes it takes its place because it was forced there.
You think the description in the lfg tool was supposed to be used?!?!? wheres anitgw when you need him to instill some sense in these entitled elitists
Of course the description of grouping should be read, a description of for desired groups does not an elitist make.
Ah this is true, however for some reason people will have arguments with you that the tool was supposed to be used to find groups fast not to find specific groups.
(prob should have added a /s at the end of that post)
If you don’t like it then don’t craft it. Period. It’s not that hard. Some people like it and some don’t. You don’t have to have it. that goes for all petty gripes. Mystic Forge, Gem Store, Tequatl, Living Story, Dungeons…
Just do something else and enjoy yourself and the non-subscription based game. If you can’t do that then play a different game and stop ruining every new change by throwing in your negative 2 cents.
Yes kitten those who have a conflicting opinons. You do realize however that bis gear is quite important to fractals which i really like to do. With this new addition higher fractals will be open and you will have to have these new ascended stuff to attempt it. Also after armor is released i can imagine groups wanting people to have bis gear.
also i dont like bringing this up but because you said go play a different game, why is it that someone like me who bought gw2 because they liked gw1 and also because they heard promises of no grind should go and kitten off, while those who came to gw2 and were complaining about not having enough to do (no grind to do) are able to stay because anet wants to now do a 180 and pander to them.
I wouldn’t have a problem with ascended armor if i didn’t have to freaking CRAFT to get it. I do NOT WANT TO CRAFT, I hate crafting in any MMO ever especially this one. They’re gating stuff to force you to do something you don’t want to do to remain competitive. If there’s no alternative way of attaining ascended gear once ascended armor is in, I’m done with this game for good. I’ve been here since day one, and this is it for me. I will not be forced to do stuff I absolutely loathe.
pretty much sums up my feelings. I said during the release of ascended weapons that it was bad but was going to get worse and that we have to stop anet from releasing new ascended stuff. This is a game breaker because for someone who wants to get the most out of their build and remain competitive to others and not fall behind they have to ascend. yet for most people its a very difficult task and only those with hours and hours to play can really get all there alts geared. I havent even crafted an ascended weapon because the skins are such kitten and ive been working towards other weapons for a while now.
as for the adding existing content into the game they actually just added new content into the gem store and then god rid of an old dungeon path and replaced it. So…we’re back at square one same hairstyles unless you cough up and we lost a dungeon path
The really sad thing is that ascended weapons / armor have no correlation to fractals. Neither do trinkets besides rings. I mean everything ascended is outside of fractals yet their main purpose beyond just stats is ar and yet i bet most people dont even do fractals regularly that match their ar. Oh well i guess logic confounds the devs.
You think the description in the lfg tool was supposed to be used?!?!? wheres anitgw when you need him to instill some sense in these entitled elitists
I anticipated Charr Engineers accusing me of being rude honestly… all 47 of them
Again Rude….
I have actually taken Charr Engineers on runs with me and honestly they are vastly superior to some warriors i have seen…. i like charr engineers theyre bad kitten
although i have rarely ever joined groups for dungeons and stuff where people actually kick or say insulting things..even those arah xp only runs (those people arent actually xp) no one kicks…
The problem with this is the idea that everything people ask for will be implemented in the cash shop. I mean people have been asking for instant retraits like in gw1 for a while now. They implemented that into the gem store. The least they could do is give it to people who have bough extra character slots.
I feel like most people are just going to accept its part of the game and just do the work for it and not care. Which is sad. I really do think this is an unnecessary part of the game. Im very reluctant to even go for ascended but i know that eventually it will become necessary especially with armor coming out. The percentage increase although it may not be enough to sway casuals, it is enough to sway me to actually try and get full ascended on my three mains. Too bad… i really liked this game when i first started playing because it was so simple. Get exotics and then learn how to play properly do some dungeons and have fun. Now everything is just about gear
Now here is my question that i would like to pose to all those who enjoy ascended armor and for the kind kind anet devs.
what is the point of ascended armor?
now ascended weapons were created (based off of anet’s logic) to bridge the gap between exotics and legendary.
however, there was no gap between exotics and legendarys in terms of stats only in looks. Ascended weapons on the other hand have better stats but worse looks than both legendarys and exotics. It was really just a reason to put in weapons that took people longer to get so that those grinding hamsters would have something to do.
Now for ascended armor. There is no legendary to make the excuse of bridging the gap and the armor looks terrible anyways. This armor is almost a game breaker for me. I thought anet would have looked at all the complaints and the arguing about ascended weapons and realize people didnt want ascended armor…especially not so soon. This will of course not be taken out of the game once it is released so i plead anet and other players like me who dont want grind but want fun to try and change this direction they have taken.
this is ridiculous they always move these threads into suggestions and its really annoying. Everytime they see account or soul bound they just put it into this graveyard..
If you bought this game just to play dungeons, you’ve probably bought the wrong game. I’m not sure that it was ever implied that instances would be the main focus of Guild Wars 2. It was all about the open world and a living breathing world. That’s what they kept saying.
So yeah…sorry you bought a game to just run through dungeons over and over. One would think there were better options available for that play style.
yeah sorry i dont like to run around and find dragon’s teeth while alt tabbing to dulfy.
I forgot to mention i like wvw and pvp
Edit: cant believe you actually said that. This game has 8 dungeons each with 3 paths and one with 4. There are also fractals which is a huge grind to get to higher level ones and the place where you are supposed to use the new ascended weapons. Hmm…so this game isnt about doing dungeons…. or is this game not about doing dungeons for you.
I meant show me the stats of how often rares exotics and precursors drop from random mobs.
I bought the game to skip the story and to play the dungeons. In the dungeons i like to skip the mobs that are easy and boring as kitten. The only mobs not easy to kill are the trash in arah however in p2 the trash is actually easier to kill then to run by. Anyways its just different styles of gameplay. The problem is when anet forces one over the other.
But I do get rares and exotics, particularly as your MF goes up. It’s not relevant to me that you personally like running dungeons as fast as humanly possible…but not everyone does and the use of trash mobs as a term, was coined to denote mobs that drop only trash, ie grays.
Calling every mob trash mob because you’re impatient doesn’t make them trash mobs.
Ok fine theyre not trash mobs because you got rares and exotics (citation please). However making them unskippable is forcing us to play the way devs want us to. The number 1 reason to skip trash mobs is to finish the path quickly. the number 2 reason is because pug groups suck and im not wasting my time dealing with people who cant pull mobs. So far they have seemed fine with skipping, even robert hrouda said it was fine and they understood it (although they canned him for his reasonable personality) however now they seem to be forcing their ways upon me. I want to skip to finish dungeons as fast as possible because even though i have gotten one or two rares off of trash mobs i dont care enough to try and kill every single one of them in dungeons for a chance at something worth what? 20s? Im sorry i like to finish content quickly go ahead and burn me at a stake.
also trash mob is not a trash mob because of its capacity to drop loot its also called trash for the time vs reward. If you go into arah and kill every trash mob you will waste so much time whereas you could have finished arah and done a couple other dungeons in that time. For example in a good group filled with people who want to finish quickly you can get arah done in 20-30 min tops and then you can go and finish every path of ac in the remaining 30 min and get nearly 10g. If you spend an hour doing arah by trying to kill every trash mob and probably wiping a couple of times and taking it slow because you like that you will only make 3g + maybe an exotic worth 1-2g.
i dont do dungeons for the gold or the loot but for the fun this is just experiences i have had and some explanation i gave evaluating the worth of trash mobs (and yes i have joined a run that said no skipping to see what it was like and left an hour into it because we had just reached lupi and it wasnt worth it).
In Guild Wars 1, in five years, I could count the times I heard trash mob used on one hand. No one called trash mobs trash in Guild Wars 1, because they could drop black and white dyes, or lockpicks in Eye of the North or anywhere in hard mode.
The idea that some mobs are trash and can’t reward you is ludicrous. It comes from games where that is literally not true. But you can get a rare, exotic or even a precursor from a trash mob.
People who skip trash mobs and complain about not getting drops at all make me laugh.
You can get a rare, exotic or even a precursor from every single mob in the game. That doesnt mean that you will get one. Isnt the chance to get a precursor from a chest higher than from a random mob. Also the time you waste on killing trash is not worth the measly chance you get of a precursor.
And this path was compared to arah by Dulfy / Devs (dufly is pretty much a pr person for gw2 ) and said that it was challenging and skipping was impossible. First off skipping is almost essential to completing arah in a fairly good time. You go and aggro every single risen in that room before lupi with a pug group and tell me how much fun it was and whether it was worth it. Do that 1000000 times and tell me how many precursors you got.
Guardian-Spear of the thousand gods
Mesmer- Shield of the million tears of those whose projectiles were reflected back at them
Thief- Torch of the bazillion stolen loot bags
Warrior- Dagger of the quadrillion burst down enemies
I don’t think you can skip the trash based on the info in the top right corner (though I don’t consider this intrinsically bad as long as there is mob variety and not too much trash)
Im not even going to do this path now…..trash mobs are not fun they are not interesting. The guy in the video said his and anet’s design philosophy was to create content that would teach you new things or reward you for what you have learned. trash mobs do neither. They dont give you rewards except for trash loot, and they dont teach you anything. TAFU taught alot of people that you cant just go into any dungeon and expect to do it without any prior knowledge/ use of reflects. I bet the only reason they took the path out was because the devs dont know how to use reflects either seeing as how with two guardians they were having a hard time with one of the vines in that “tricky” hallway.
But back to what the OP was addressing i think its funny how someone has to title his thread with that buzz word: criticism otherwise people would say hes just whining. He made two good points. One that temporary content gives you too much stuff and theres no system to keep that stuff in a good useful location. He also brought up his concerns about ascended weapons which people have been bringing up for weeks now. They wont be addressed however. Anet has already opened pandora’s box and i doubt they will try to close it again. I wish that they would now listen to the posts of people against ascended weapons and realize that there are just as many if not more people who dont want ascended then those who want it and change. However, those who dont want it are also loyal while those who do are not. They are the short term people who need these artificial goals to get them through this game, a game that could have such a great future if anet makes good decisions now and makes a foundation that incorporates the community and makes a game that is enjoyable and involving with a strong relationship between devs and players.
You’d be complaining a lot less about the “frustrating overflow system” if you spent time early on in Rift or SWToR queues waiting to get into the game to play at all. I once waited 2 hours in a Rift queue in the early days. Two hours of my three hours I had to play in a queue. The overflow system was a solution to a major probably, however imperfect.
The new one looks boring as hell and it only took the devs 30 min to finish meaning for pug groups it will take 5 min + 7 min of watching the unskippable npcs talking scenes.
Someone didn’t actually watch the stream >.>
I did all of it ill go back to watch it in case i missed anything but it seemed really boring. The worst thing was that puzzle part. I dont know about you but i like difficult bosses not difficult communication with members of my party especially those french guys who somehow keep finding their way into my parties.
We’ll whether it is interesting or not is subjective, but in the stream they didn’t finish the dungeon. In fact they stopped right before the 1st boss (of what I would guess is 3 bosses).
They spent 9 minutes failing the puzzle then trolled us by not showing at least one boss fight…
OMFG you’re right the whole thirty minutes wasnt even the whole path………jesus those guys are bad.
I hope you can skip the trash mobs that those anet guys love to kill.
