Guild Wars 2

Investing in gems to buy more bag slots for roaming, this kitten is ridiculous.

God I’m so hungover from last night…that’s the only way I could have gotten through the blobby and skilless crap that dominated reset night.

Evilbeavers.3964:

Here’s what I think happened.

A: You clicked out of the thread you were in and clicked this one to post in.
B: Weren’t actually in the thread and decided to post in it without reading anything.
©: Planned the whole thing so someone would talk to you and you could get your SBI obsession fix.

I don’t think I have to use my phone a friend for this one and polling the audience seems like a waste as well.

I clicked the FA thread, went afk for 5 minutes, thought of something to post, came back sat down and posted thinking I was on Mag thread.

Left it for a good laugh.

etrigan.4213:

Evilbeavers.3964:

etrigan.4213:

deathTouch.9706:

Is running a perplexity build a requirement for entry into GF?

EDIT: Whoops wrong thread ROFL

Another example of AoN trying to be relevant everywhere they can.

That implies that they can be relevant.

Welp depends on your definition of relevant.

AoN’s definition is this:

Trying to gank single players and running from like sized groups.

Only slightly more effective than Bunzy and OG used to be.

I actually did mean to post that original comment in the Mag thread and didn’t realize I was on my FA/SBI/DB thread tab, but now that you bring up AoN’s roaming habits:

Is running a perplexity build a requirement for entry into GF?

Is running a perplexity build a requirement for entry into GF?

EDIT: Whoops wrong thread ROFL

Asudementio.8526:

deathTouch.9706:

Asudementio.8526:

deathTouch.9706:

Unfortunately I don’t remember much of the 6 hour roaming session our guild did yesterday. I’m starting to get to the point this match where I can multitask with other stuff on my computer/desk and still be able to function just fine in our guild’s roaming group, even when heavily outnumbered.

I’ve found that engaging TC at a numbers ratio of 1:2.5 is usually pretty safe. This is better than SBI which was around a 1:4 ratio, and YB which approached 1:20.

Starting to get to the point? Step up your game, i have been multi tasking for most of the match up play this week and still be cleaning up.

That at least partially explains why you guys melt so fast when you meet us in a BL.

I don’t remember dying to AoN tags save for the night in water camp, you must be msitaken

I know we’ve fought around ruins a few times.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Reiko.1560:

I like how nobody in this thread gives a kitten that it’s 7 hard weeks for Mag and SoS. Cry me a river and get over yourselves.

Because no one cares.

We’re talking about Tier 1, here. Not the non-T1 servers in Gold league. If people wanted to see them, they’d have stacked those servers, not these three. But they did stack these three, and now they want them to actually fight each other most of the time for the next 7 weeks. Simple, no?

Actually the OP was complaining specifically about the outcome of leagues and how they believe JQ has an easier path to victory, rather than about wanting to fight JQ for additional “gudfights”:

Not sure why JQ gets week 2 3 and 4 without SoR or BG, and SOR only gets week 5 and BG week 6 with out the two other teir 1 servers.

With points going to first place, and a guaranteed win for any Tier 1 server fighting two Tier 2 servers, it will give JQ 3 guaranteed wins worth of points.

So the Mag and SoS comment is perfectly valid. Mag and SoS are in this league with absolutely 0% chance to win and yet aren’t kittening at ALL because they’re just happy to have outnumbered fights.

So, as someone from Mag, I would kindly ask you to shove your complaints as far up your colon as possible because we couldn’t care less whether you have to try harder than JQ to get 1st. All of the T1 servers are way overbloated with keyboard turning bandwagoners anyway, and each of the T1 servers win simply by throwing maximum bodies possible at any problems they encounter in WvW.

Asudementio.8526:

deathTouch.9706:

The worst rallybaiting player on JQ who simply complete the achievements via k-training gets better rewards than the best players on Mag who struggle every week to bust zergs 2-3 times their strength in numbers.

Honestly they should have skipped the achievements altogether and just gave out rewards based on server population at the beginning of leagues. It would have saved us 7 weeks of random-kitten achievement hunting no serious WvW players wants to do.

Working as intended.

And what are you hunting? The achievement requirements are not so high that you can’t get them by you know ACTUALLY playing WvW. Though admittedly convulsing all over each other in fight clubs will make it somewhat difficult to get them.

Yes, because taking SM 5 times in gold league is realistic with a group of 10 people.

I actively try to avoid 80 man, lowest-common-denominator no-skill-usage 1-spam orgies as much as possible because, you know, that’s not ACTUALLY playing WvW.

Asudementio.8526:

deathTouch.9706:

Unfortunately I don’t remember much of the 6 hour roaming session our guild did yesterday. I’m starting to get to the point this match where I can multitask with other stuff on my computer/desk and still be able to function just fine in our guild’s roaming group, even when heavily outnumbered.

I’ve found that engaging TC at a numbers ratio of 1:2.5 is usually pretty safe. This is better than SBI which was around a 1:4 ratio, and YB which approached 1:20.

Starting to get to the point? Step up your game, i have been multi tasking for most of the match up play this week and still be cleaning up.

That at least partially explains why you guys melt so fast when you meet us in a BL.

The worst rallybaiting player on JQ who simply complete the achievements via k-training gets better rewards than the best players on Mag who struggle every week to bust zergs 2-3 times their strength in numbers.

Honestly they should have skipped the achievements altogether and just gave out rewards based on server population at the beginning of leagues. It would have saved us 7 weeks of random-kitten achievement hunting no serious WvW players wants to do.

Working as intended.

Ricky.4706:

I hate to say this, but I’m beginning to accept that gw2 is simply not a good platform for serious competition. While it has potential, and is fun, there are simply some fundamental flaws that turned a game of chess (Gw1 ) into a mix of dodgeball and checkers.

I predicted that it would be a number 1 game, but I am now also predicting with confidence that these blob / zergs won’t be a long term problem as eventually there will not be enough serious pvp’rs in the servers to form big blobs, and wvw will eventually be owned by small gvg groups – and even then it won’t be serious competition because matchups are not player controlled. I give it a year.

My biggest fear is that Anet is not convinced blobbing/zerging and complete lack of useful things for roamers to do it an actual problem.

If that’s the case we’re just wasting our time trying to come up with solutions since they won’t be motivated in the slightest to change the status quo of WvW.

Relentliss.2170:

Or they could redesign the maps so they are bigger. Push all the major objectives to the corners. Remove waypoint building in side keeps.

Actually this is probably the single most important thing they could do to dramatically shift the gameplay from zerging to small group roaming.

Making maps very large, placing extremely valuable points on the map at corners of the map far away from each other, and sprinkling in less-valuable objectives around the middle of the map would have a huge impact on breaking up large zergs, as each side would have to balance response. For example, attacking a valuable objective at the corner of the map with many troops would lead you vulnerable to small groups taking smaller objectives elsewhere on the map and, even if you capture the valuable, single point objective, the loss of smaller objectives might not be worth it.

And yes, no waypoints. It’s absolutely stupid how a zerg of 80 people has the same mobility and response time as a small group when you can just abuse the WP mechanic while a keep/castle is under attack and ninja-teleport a full zerg into the Lord’s room when the reward timer is up. One of the most game-breaking thing in WvW at the moment in my opinion, along with the 5-person AOE cap. I don’t mind making upgraded keeps take longer to breach if you just remove the ability for an entire army to magically spawn inside of it and completely overwhelm everyone attacking. It should be an epic siege where people on walls and behind the gate are fighting over the course of an hour to take or hold the objective, not one where you PvD for 20 minutes only to get steamrolled by 80 people who suddenly appeared out of nowhere from the middle of their keep from another BL. Again, zero risk, full reward behavior that encourages this type of play.

There has to be some sort of TRADEOFF to blobbing. I’m not against it ever happening, I think that’s unrealistic and it would be nice periodically to have an “epic” fight to protect a key objective, especially if the lag can eventually be sorted out. It also gives more of a safety net to newer/less-skilled players who aren’t yet confident in their ability to pull their weight in a small-group setting. But there has to be a REASON for it to happen, and it has to have some sort of risk to it.

Right now blobbing is all reward and no risk in terms of PPT management, and that’s just not a fun way to play this game. It’s not fun for the zergers who can’t activate any skills in an 80man blobfest, and it’s certainly not fun for roamers who generally feel useless in the PTT game.

The way I imagine this game is sorta like this:

There’s a large force of maybe 30-40 people that act as a relatively less-mobile force that concentrates on protecting and objectives and advancing the “front” of fighting.

Smaller groups act as raiding and/or special ops groups that focus on dealing with the other raiding groups, destroying the logistics of the main “army” force, doing combined ops (flanking 40 man zerg, hitting their backline, harrassing, spearhead etc) with the friendly “army” force when directly engaging an “enemy” army, etc.

Then, there would be a role for everyone to still enjoy the game, the overall zerg size would be dramatically reduced, and the relative importance of roaming would be increased.

Unfortunately I don’t remember much of the 6 hour roaming session our guild did yesterday. I’m starting to get to the point this match where I can multitask with other stuff on my computer/desk and still be able to function just fine in our guild’s roaming group, even when heavily outnumbered.

I’ve found that engaging TC at a numbers ratio of 1:2.5 is usually pretty safe. This is better than SBI which was around a 1:4 ratio, and YB which approached 1:20.

Handin.4032:

To any mag that says they never blob (or say using Omega’s is cheap):

I’m currently staring at 6 Omega’s and at least 50 mag trying to take MagBL bay after a failed attempt of using trebs/cata’s. But don’t worry, I’m sure you’re not blobbing, it’s just a bunch of roamers

We all fall into blobbing habits, some are just in denial hehe

We have zergers, every server has them. But compared to servers that are near us in ranking, we have significantly fewer of them.

Handin.4032:

deathTouch.9706:

It’s like Yak’s Bend 2.0. Time to stop sucking on the tower and siege nipple. There are 2 ACs in there too.

Were you in the group on MagBL that had at least 4 cata’s and 20+ people and couldn’t take down a T2 wall? o.O You even put them in an area where had to go through choke points through water…

No? I’m never in mag BL. Nor am I ever in a group larger than 10.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

deathTouch.9706:

It’s like Yak’s Bend 2.0. Time to stop sucking on the tower and siege nipple. There are 2 ACs in there too.

2 ACs in a fully tier 2 tower? You sure you took enough screenshots?

It’s more like 20 people hiding from 4.

And i wanted to make sure I got the angle right so you could see the treb actually firing toward us.

It’s like Yak’s Bend 2.0. Time to stop sucking on the tower and siege nipple. There are 2 ACs in there too.

Rednik.3809:

a t s e.9614:

Shout build is terrible. You give up on nearly 50% damage to get a little 2k heal per shout.

Yet your role in organized raid require shout heals. This is really good sustain and condi clearing instrument. Damage is not your problem.

Support staff guard is better.

Shout heal build for war is basically for people who don’t want to level a guard or level and learn/have the skill to play an ele but still want to play the support role.

Chris.3290:

deathTouch.9706:

Just when I thought I was gaining respect for TC…

…this lvl 80 STUN warrior showed up right after I dueled a very friendly and skilled ranger from NOPE. The staff guard in my party ran over to the STUN warrior while I was chatting to the ranger and began autoattacking with 1 to just play around.

Then something unreal happened. The STUN warrior popped utilities and started RUNNING. From a 1v1 with a support staff guard spamming 1.

And not only did he run, but bee-lined into the nearby tower.

Later he came back with a friend and died to us in about 5 seconds flat.

Just when I had started to respect TC, this had to happen. Why TC, why do you do this to my heart?

NOTE: I did nothing offensive, just jumped around and played photographer. I wasn’t even remotely close to potato or the war when potato started streetsweeping him.

Two points, your comment in the last picture “or is this just fantasy?” has to be said

Second, you shouldn’t have let out that you are another Christopher; people are going to start assuming that the name has something to due with too much forum lurking.

BRB applying for new research grant.

There is literally no reward or game mechanism incentive to roam as a small group and every incentive to run as big of a blob as possible:

1) AoE cap on only 5 targets, which was extended even FURTHER now that blocked and missed attacks count toward that 5 target max;

2) The massive increase in karma/money/XP rewards for PvD activities. Killing people gives almost no reward compared to beating on a door and sitting in a circle. The maximum reward/minute is achieved when the least amount of competition is around;

3) Downed state mechanics and power-rezzing/hard rezzing always gives advantage to the side with greater numbers who can afford to commit people in the fight to rez downed players. Also forces small man groups to sacrifice utilities/health just to finish off a player before he is rezzed, and sometimes even that is impossible to do.

The only reason why you should roam is if you actually enjoy utilizing your player skill to try and come out on top of incredible odds against your favor.

Boy would this game be so much more fun if the average group size was between 5-10 rather than 60+.

Asudementio.8526:

deathTouch.9706:

Just when I thought I was gaining respect for TC…

…this lvl 80 STUN warrior showed up right after I dueled a very friendly and skilled ranger from NOPE. The staff guard in my party ran over to the STUN warrior while I was chatting to the ranger and began autoattacking with 1 to just play around.

Then something unreal happened. The STUN warrior popped utilities and started RUNNING. From a 1v1 with a support staff guard spamming 1.

And not only did he run, but bee-lined into the nearby tower.

Later he came back with a friend and died to us in about 5 seconds flat.

Just when I had started to respect TC, this had to happen. Why TC, why do you do this to my heart?

NOTE: I did nothing offensive, just jumped around and played photographer. I wasn’t even remotely close to potato or the war when potato started streetsweeping him.

Was the ranger a human?

Yeah. His name is actually in the first picture in the top of my chat box for the props factor.

Just when I thought I was gaining respect for TC…

…this lvl 80 STUN warrior showed up right after I dueled a very friendly and skilled ranger from NOPE. The staff guard in my party ran over to the STUN warrior while I was chatting to the ranger and began autoattacking with 1 to just play around.

Then something unreal happened. The STUN warrior popped utilities and started RUNNING. From a 1v1 with a support staff guard spamming 1.

And not only did he run, but bee-lined into the nearby tower.

Later he came back with a friend and died to us in about 5 seconds flat.

Just when I had started to respect TC, this had to happen. Why TC, why do you do this to my heart?

NOTE: I did nothing offensive, just jumped around and played photographer. I wasn’t even remotely close to potato or the war when potato started streetsweeping him.

iAmTheDuke.6201:

Welcome to gold league

Big Butt Jackson spotted.

Also, BLTC would kindly request that you collect your goods/payment from the nearest BLTC merchant.

For WvW:

Even if axe 5 gets a projectile reflect, its still trash damage for a channeled ability that basically forces you to burn a preemptive stability CD just to do any meaningful dmg, and the damage itself is trash unless a group of 5 people stand still tanking the dmg.

Axe 4 is mostly redundant on SoR, especially if you run signet CD, boon duration bonus or fury on immob.

Axe 2 sucks.

Axe 1 chain has way too much dmg backloaded onto the last strike. No competent player is going to stand still and let you hit them for a 6th autoattack.

Axe offers no mobility, except a tiny leap from eviscerate.

The damage spike from eviscerate doesn’t compensate for all of its shortcomings as a weapon. If you want to spike dmg, get rifle and learn to play zerker war. If you need AoE dmg, hammer + unsuspecting foe outdamages axe by a mile and a half AND brings utility to the table.

We did have a pretty good laugh yesterday while defending Durios when the TC zerg that wandered up to the gate didn’t immediately realize that the wall directly next to the gate had been down for the last 20 minutes or so from SM trebbing and proceeded to try and autoattack and ram the gate for a good 2 minutes.

Shaymi.9124:

phys.7689:

If FA is a gold tier server, so is sbi, 10k is not a large diffrential

I don’t think anyone denies that SBI is a gold tier server. You guys did beat sos and mag after all, you just kind of got screwed over on the rankings.

LMAO

Good, prolonged fight on TC BL tonight BLNT. Was a lot of fun.

~AoN War

D best.3547:

Player Character.9467:

^ You should really turn on area loot and rebind the key to something that isn’t ‘REVIVE THAT GUY’

I put my revive that key to z… I hardly need to use it, I did put AoE loot to f for all the loots

My revive key is on MB1. AOE loot is shift, cntrl, alt F-11.

Remember that PINK guy we wrecked 7v1 at ruins yesterday? Get kittened!!!

Our axe is just trash now.

It’s gonna need a major overhaul to fix it’s issues.

Chris.3290:

I don’t care what anyone says this week. I’m having a blast, I can’t even get angry about losing to Maguuma. Mostly because they have to take back months of talk about not playing for PPT (got a taste of it, now they are hooked).
Seriously, even the losing fights aren’t too frustrating.

Most of the frustration comes from the folks who are new to WvW and are not willing to learn how to play; but we all have farmed a few gold off of those folks from all three servers this weekend I’m sure.

I’ll give credit to Maguuma, I’m seeing the fewest number of those from them.

Our secret lies with belittling and harassing them until they transfer off.

Andy.9137:

Snypa.3847:

Man there was a ranger i fought today from [Corp] on FA , he has to be probably the best ranger ive ever seen and he whooped my kitten and i usually handle rangers pretty well, he had alot of legendaries too roaming south in dragonbrand. Wow, simply amazing..

his name is tanbin and we love him too

Please kindly send Tanbin back to his home on Maguuma. We’ll willing to discuss ransom conditions.

Thank you.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I had fun fighting AoN tonight in water camp in SoS bl. Even if the commander wanted to abandon the camp (and did, never came back to try and save it after he left). Either way it was clear the goal was to get fights and not to cap the camp, and we had some fun figuring out how to fight the group.

That rifle/greatsword warrior hurt like a mother kitten.

I think at one point we were fighting for 30 minutes straight. We knew we couldn’t cap it but it was a lot of fun for the fights! Had a blast last night fighting SoS in general.

Also, wanna hear something funny? Support necro. New meta. Crazy stuff starts to happen when your other support is studying for an exam.

Deli.1302:

deathTouch.9706:

PredatoR.5247:

deathTouch.9706:

I’d like our party to have the chance to fight some Agg guys but the only time I see them is when they’re peppered inside a 60 man SoS zerg, or roaming with their 35 man “small group”.

We only had 20 people transferred over last night

shrug

I think you just proved his point. Counting. Do it.

There’s 10 just on the borders and clipping off-screen of that huge blob.

We all got a pretty good laugh out of that small group roaming though.

PredatoR.5247:

deathTouch.9706:

I’d like our party to have the chance to fight some Agg guys but the only time I see them is when they’re peppered inside a 60 man SoS zerg, or roaming with their 35 man “small group”.

We only had 20 people transferred over last night

shrug

GG RoT by veteren warg on SoS BL.

That’s how we do it on Maguuma.

A big thank you to SoS clan Rx for helping us complete our WvW kill achievements in record time at NN camp of SoS BL tonight!

I’d like our party to have the chance to fight some Agg guys but the only time I see them is when they’re peppered inside a 60 man SoS zerg, or roaming with their 35 man “small group”.

Hackuuna.4085:

Large PTV groups make me laugh because they are the ones I fear the least while running full zerker. They have to ball up and stay close otherwise their damage is terrible and because of that they become extremely vulnerable to side stepping. DER|P does this often when we run informal groups and run into a large organized guild — everyone just sidesteps their commander movements and bursts down the tail until they lose so many people they have to run away.

Yeah it’s incredibly predictable.

Flank commander —> wait for commander fixation/lagging tail --> hit lagging tail hard but try to preserve cooldowns —> Disorganized response/rez blobs ---> Nuke rez blobs hard —> disengage if entire zerg turns --> flank again/wait for hardrez and CDs to be up —> hit hard rez blob --> repeat until zerg wipes.

This is how we’ve adapted to fight on Maguuma when we’ve had to deal being outnumbered in pretty much every match-up. Works even more effectively if you have multiple small groups chipping away at weak points in the ever-morphing and changing blob.

The only way that this ever works, however, is if you are packing high-DPS builds. The other thing you have to remember is that PVT doesn’t buy you any more time/change the outcome if you happen to get caught and focused by 60 people.

Thanks for all your suggestions Rouven.

Unfortunately even trying a different browser (both firefox and safari) didn’t resolve the issue.

Does anyone from Anet have an idea? I’m thinking this issue might be on my account/server end.

Seigfried.5938:

Pinko.2076:

fishball.7204:

He never mentioned PTV, he said tankier gear.

These new players are all from PvE running full zerkers that refuse to listen to commanders and just want their achievements done.

Getting them wiped a few times is probably the best thing to do in order to make them understand WvW is not PvE.

Zerker works fine for most professions in open field.

I took you seriously initially and then looked at your tag.

I’m from AoN/SWäG and I think that full zerker is viable in almost any situation. However, I also think that there are only a few situations and/or builds where full zerker is optimal. It’s important to realize there’s a big difference between viable and optimal. I personally run a mostly zerker hammer war build and our guild have been able to routinely come out on top of 5v10s, 5v15s, and 5v20s. I’m usually the only 100% dedicated frontline person in our group and I can mitigate enough damage through intelligent use of cooldowns, smart engagements/disengagements, working with my teammates abilities to help me mitigate dmg (i.e. providing auras or providing me with stab etc) and being aware of how much healing I am getting/expecting to get.

What matters orders of magnitude more than gear is whether the person playing the class understands his class, it’s role in whatever he’s trying to do, it’s limitations, and the classes/builds of the people he’s engaging, what support he has, and what type of damage he is expecting to take, including recognizing the patterns to when damage may spike so that he can intelligently dodge said damage or mitigate it with a CD.

This of course assuming that your aren’t in a massive skill-lagged blob only allowing you to press 11111111. I don’t really consider that playing the game.

IBountyHunterI.4601:

deathTouch.9706:

Holy kitten what a zergfest last night. If anything has ever convinced me not to ever transfer to T1 it was the lag in the those fights. How can anyone enjoy that kitten? It’s like stonemist except everywhere, it feels like I’m moving through mud and skills fail to go off. And its not even in the zergs, but happens everywhere from the sheer amount of load the server has. Woo it’s like being CC’d for an entire roaming session!

The score was so tight last night because coverage was equal for all servers. Every BL was queued on Mag until about 12AM CST. That’s unheard of for Mag. Albeit most of them were probably PvErs doing achievements, but still they make a good distraction. We still have absolutely no oceanic (i’ve heard rumors on the Mag forum that one may have been spotted a few nights ago on Mag, we need screenshot to confirm though) so that sorta explains why TC pulled ahead in SEA time. I’m quite a bit surprised we’re ahead of SoS though, as I thought they had a massive oceanic crew.

It was like this last night in our matchup too, to the point when we would encounter RET’s Omni blob of the entire map Q that we wouldn’t even be able to cleave. We would spike them down, recover…then die because no one can heal. At one point we had to use guardian dodge rolls to heal all of us by rolling into the walls.

I really hope someone captured video of that solution. That’s hilarious.

dreztina.4820:

Gold league is lol. 40 man zergs just roaming around, not even taking stuff. Looking for good fights, I’m sure.

I had a 40 man zerg from TC chase me from NN of TC BL all the way to our spawn.

Nothing I like better than swapping bags with SoS.

Asudementio.8526:

Snafu.7412:

grave of hearts.7830:

Snafu.7412:

WTH, we’re somewhat competitive in Oceanic and SEA time….is this real life?

Dont know,keep tossing me bags.
I got a legendary to feed.

Doubt you’re getting any, doesn’t look like SoS is playing at all.

Idk, they kept clogging up my bags last night.

But Mag is beating you without even caring about PPT.

I don’t even…

This match in EBG I ‘ve learned so much about how to actually play this game. I learned that it’s best to just jump in, smash 11111111 and hope for the best. Utilities? No need, you can’t activate them anyway. Clear that bar off.

Mistfire wolf is great because you can activate it before the fight when you might have a chance for your elite to go off, and it travels faithfully by your side until it gets blasted apart by the first .2 seconds of AOE spam.

A true test of one’s skill and prowess in the game. Really enjoying this so far.

x per fection x.2096:

deathTouch.9706:

eithinan.9841:

On that topic, I wonder how many guilds have bandwagoned over to Maguuma since they clinched the gold league?

I think you might be a bit confused. Clans don’t bandwagon onto servers at the bottom of their league.

That depends. I know if mag didn’t make it into gold we were transferring to either SOS or TC. Different guilds want different things.

True. I just equate the word “bandwagoning” more with the motives of the guild, in this case easy wins, and definitely didn’t see that being related to Mag in any way while we’re in gold. I would have just called them transfers. No biggie.

You guys are complaining about hard/fair matches when Mag just pulled all-nighters so that we could have consistently outnumbered fights and avoid seal-clubbing in Silver league?

Man T1 really is full-to-the-brim with bandwagoning scrubs.

SBI losing to FA in the weekend, oh wow…

SBI is in deep kitten if they don’t get a commanding lead by the end of Sunday.

I agree with other posters that FA is the favorite in this division. Even with their influx of new clans, they aren’t fragmented and disorganized like SBI has demonstrated this past week. And FA’s SEA is no joke right now, we had to have pretty much our whole NA crew pull an all-nighter just to keep them at bay last Thursday-Friday.