Guild Wars 2

Step 1: Introduce and excessively buff condition damage skills and introduce armor in the game that allows you to do insane condi damage while also having huge vit and toughness. Practically everyone runs condi-heavy builds and basically no one uses power builds.

Step 2: Buff warriors so they can be a counter to condi-spamming classes with a few useful power builds.

Step 3: Nerf warriors’ main power build so they can no longer effectively counter condi-spamming classes.

Step 4: Arrive at same point you were 4-5 months ago.

I guess everyone really enjoys pressing 12345(dodge)12345(dodge)12345(dodge) while kiting in a circle.

I am very happy someone is finally speaking up about lack of culturally-important pets in this game.

I am from Mozambique, in my country my people value the gazelle as both loyal pets and fierce hunting companions. I feel GW2 is incomplete without the option to train, nurture and charge into battle with one of my favorite creatures of the planície. Anet, in the future please be more sensitive to players from different backgrounds who are accustomed to non-NA species as pets.

I will be very disappointed if Anet does not implement the gazelle as a ranger pet in the Dec. 10th patch.

Viva! Saúde!

Anyone else from Mag missing gold already? I feel like I’ve been seal clubbing every night this week.

Being from Mag, I’m glad to see all of the bandwagoners got boned.

Hope the gems were worth it!

I acquired my reward of killing tons and tons of bandwagoners and jumping on their bodies post-mortem. Mission Accomplished Anet.

phys.7689:

One of the main issues in US is server isnt seen as your community by many.

Spoken like someone who’s never been on Mag.

Pinko.2076:

TehFoe.6527:

deathTouch.9706:

To AciD: Contact me anytime in the evenings between 6PM-9PM EST to set up a 10v10 thing.

Will do mate, what guild and server are you?

he’s AoN maguuma

Yeah, thanks kitty, keep forgetting I have no sig….

I might get on a bit late tonight, so if I’m not around you can also try contacting Convenant.7092 or Vi Au.8341

To AciD: Contact me anytime in the evenings between 6PM-9PM EST to set up a 10v10 thing.

Southeast Camp on YB BL is officially property of AoN.

I can tell it’s Waypoint Challenge Friday for TC, where players all across the server compete to see who can open their map fastest and quadruple-click the nearest WP marker when faced with an even fight.

Bonus points for 180 degree turn to whirlwind —> rush --> bull’s charge while doing it.

Thanks for throwing together that roaming group tonight GF.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Oh no friend, I’ve been in an even fight with you before. When you dont GS charge and run half way across the map just to avoid getting focused its actually fun. Getting kited across the map in a single fight =/= fun to fight. Sorry.
(and thats genuine, not trolling. You guys are always a tough opponent and fight against the odds. Much respect.)

Yeah, I’ve never run GS though.

Anyways, we always fight even or reasonably outnumbered odds. There just becomes a point where you have to pick apart a blob and it becomes this tightrope balance of putting enough pressure on to down and kill people and prevent them from being hard-rezzed, and then having to kite when CDs are down.

Repeated burst and kite is the only way to shave down groups with considerably more people than your own. And one mistake usually costs us 1 member which, for when you run 5-8, means likely being unable to continue to harass the group cause some vital role was taken away.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Chris.3290:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Snafu.7412:

What VR had no arrowcarts and was rolling 18-25 deep.

I guarantee you we saw ACs at least 3 times in open field fights last night. I know, because we focused them and the people on them first. It was still fun fights the whole night, but it totally happened.

Edit: I should add that it was never VR people on the ACs, but it was in their fights.

No, you are supposed to blame a PuG for the AC. How are you going to keep the “we too L337 for siege” image going if you just claim there wasn’t one when they saw it.

The correct answer is “we can’t control our PuGs”. No charge for this free “Forum Chestthumping 101” course, but I do charge for the 200 level on up classes.

Edit: Nick edited while I was writing and even gave you the out.

I’m totally not even sure I fully understand who you’re talking to here. I’ve tried reading over it several times and just…

Also I’m fairly sure it wasnt AoN, but vulture type of play from them is believable. They’ve stood off and jumped into fights before. Go as far as to spawn camp and then run away as fast as possible when they get even number fights as well. Either that, or they’re just kiting, which they seem to be the kings of. (edit edit: inb4 deathtouch)

Ah yes, the old “AoN always run from even-numbered fights” coming from a guy who will never again be found 5 feet away from a 40+ deep blob.

We all know what happens to [NOPE] when you run 8-10 men. From our end, it becomes a guild-wide challenge to see how little CDs we have to use during the fight.

Looks like my predictions on SBI’s implosion, unsurprisingly, turned out to be true.

Now the only question remains how far will SBI fall? What was that about the epic heroic comeback to T1 SBI??

Terrible then, terrible now.

jaz.8954:

iAmTheDuke.6201:

Not impressed, will be impressed when he drops the ez win button on his utility bar.

Instead you should watch the big boy Necro Videos by Rennoko.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rwTPeEkSTo

The guy is solo roaming on a class with no real method of escaping, no blocks and no invulns, he stood his ground and wiped me and 6 other people after one heck of a long fight. It would be rather foolish to not use every ability available to ensure his own victory, pretty sure WvW isn’t about who uses the most fair skill, its about who wins.

Besides..saying its an ez win button is no different than saying a warrior shouldn’t use stuns, a thief shouldn’t use stealth or any other mechanic given to the class. He targeted me with that ez win button and I blinded him mid cast, he still beat us through clever kiting over the stairs in the NE cap point. He didn’t win through the use of a long cooldown signet with a long and obvious cast.

I’m sorry did I read this correctly, you’re claiming he beat you and 6 other players on a necro by…kiting you?

Are you…what…is this even reality?

I’m just trying to imagine the degree of fail that would need to happen for 1 necro to kite 6 players simultaneously and somehow kill + stomp all of them…and I just can’t.

Hydrobutter.9172:

Obv photoshop, don’t believe it

Big white box in lower left is obv. giveaway.

Sunt.6835:

What are these Mags talking about ….

ur server cant even put a open field zerg in bls ……
(Go back to play with Tier 3,4 or lower)

I wanna give credits for SoS guys who has been out there fighting us !

Sorry but we’re not really interested in buying terrible transfers to our server just so we can win a dolyak finisher. I’d rather play with people who are actually decent at the game.

cyyrix.6105:

Sifu.6527:

So…about this awesome roaming guild I keep hearing about from BG – Riot. I haven’t seen them much. At most, I saw one guy running with the pugs. Do they still roam? If yes, around what time and with how many? This is Mag second time facing BG, probably the last for this season so maybe they will come out and play.

Stop giving me blue balls!

We had a couple of different groups running last night. Lately we’ve been in groups of two to four, so if you’re expecting more than that you might be disappointed.

The other thing is that you Mag guys love dueling, but we almost never see small groups roaming apart from that. Any good fights we find almost always result in a party add and a request to start a “FC” at the windmill. It is fun for awhile, but how long can you stand around and counter-comp until it just gets dull.

You should try to make it a point to roam more and duel less this week – with both the BG and SoS roaming squads, it could be a really fun week!

We run 5-8/night. Any way you could combine your roaming groups and/or pick up some oPP and maybe we can have some 5v5-8v8 roaming action going on in a BL? If you want to contact me in-game to try and coordinate something for this week I’d be happy to do it. I know you guys usually have long queues, whereas we have short/no queues, so if you let us know what BL you can most easily get into I’m sure we can accommodate on our end. Let me know if this interests you.

Winkin.1490:

Cuddlepie.8109:

deathTouch.9706:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Winkin.1490:

Gilgamesh.7364:

deathTouch.9706:

robocafaz.9017:

Also, these Blackgate Roamers have been giving me some of the most intense fights I’ve ever experienced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T43zqnix9E

I’ve seen and participated in many 1v1s, but that by far was the most intense I’ve ever seen.

Really glad we’re getting such a great skill challenge from BG this week. It feels like its only been hours since we’ve faced such skill from other match-ups.

I was more shocked to see that there’s actually a group of more than 5 Maguuma in WvW.

Usually you guys are hiding inside your spawn

1/10

1/10? Well, that’s arguably a generous score for the feared Maguuma Youtube roamer who styles themselves “Hashtag Blaze it”.

BG PvF at its finest.

At it’s finest? Particularly, although apparently unconsciously, ironic as there’s multiple Maguuma posts responding to the video link, zerg PvFing.

So thanks for the comment and the unintended laughs – both here and on the BLs. Why the BLs? Well, I’ve seen AoN roamers and the answer to the question is in: it’s “Nothing”.

Their idea of roaming is the skill equivalent of a staff Guard spamming 1.

So angry. BG is like the anti-fun server.

edit: I knew your name sounded familiar:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/50-Tier-1-WvW-wins/first#post2692329

Too good

This Cuddlepie’s PvF is confirmed god awful, but their bandwagon mastery is maxed to the extreme.

With it maxed do you automatically get a free transfer when a new server reaches the #1 ranked spot in NA?

Cuddlepie.8109:

Winkin.1490:

Gilgamesh.7364:

deathTouch.9706:

robocafaz.9017:

Also, these Blackgate Roamers have been giving me some of the most intense fights I’ve ever experienced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T43zqnix9E

I’ve seen and participated in many 1v1s, but that by far was the most intense I’ve ever seen.

Really glad we’re getting such a great skill challenge from BG this week. It feels like its only been hours since we’ve faced such skill from other match-ups.

I was more shocked to see that there’s actually a group of more than 5 Maguuma in WvW.

Usually you guys are hiding inside your spawn

1/10

1/10? Well, that’s arguably a generous score for the feared Maguuma Youtube roamer who styles themselves “Hashtag Blaze it”.

BG PvF at its finest.

Swagg.9236:

Take a look at long-bow for instance. All but 1 of its weapon skills outside of the auto-attack are all 1/4-second long cast-times. That really just encourages spamming. If each weapon set had at least one long cast-time skill, the combat in this game would be a little more lively instead of so spammy.

It would have to be applied to all classes though, from a balance perspective. One of the major downsides of war right now compared to other classes is its already telegraphed moves. There’s too many subtle animations/instant casts for other classes right now which is why war SHOULD hit harder and have more survivability than other classes. Not only do we not have great defensive boon access, access to stealth or other skill-based defensive mechanisms besides straight utility CDs like Stab and EP, but almost all our weapon abilities can be countered through a wide variety of options.

If we can manage to land a blow as a warrior, it SHOULD hit hard for punishing the opponent for not adequately countering it.

Passive regen of war was the only possible issue right now. It was NEVER hammer damage. Hammer damage was never an issue back when wars had 0 sustainability and couldn’t continuously stay in the fight and earthshaker repeatedly without outside support.

robocafaz.9017:

Also, these Blackgate Roamers have been giving me some of the most intense fights I’ve ever experienced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T43zqnix9E

I’ve seen and participated in many 1v1s, but that by far was the most intense I’ve ever seen.

Really glad we’re getting such a great skill challenge from BG this week. It feels like its only been hours since we’ve faced such skill from other match-ups.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Snafu.7412:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Vi Au.8341:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Vi Au.8341:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Winkin.1490:

Vi Au.8341:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Winkin.1490:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

deathTouch.9706:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

On Maguuma BL watching these AoN one trick ponies try to kill people lol.

I’m trying to care about a random BGer posting unsubstantiated dribble but it just isn’t working.

Someone help me out here, why should I be upset by this BG random of whom I’ve never heard of before?

If by 1 trick pony you mean single-minded in our ganking outnumbered BG players as they cross-map with one trick stun thief builds and zerker warriors, then yes, I suppose we can embrace that terminology.

Fixed that for yah! You’ve never heard of me because you’re tier 2.

Guess this guy got ganked by Ho or Conv. Tragic.

Don’t be silly, I’m from Blackgate, I never die. Had fun stopping a few AoN baddies from trying to kill unsuspecting rangers and the like though. There was one asura stun thief in particular that had incredible tunnel vision, and he kept coming back for more! #DonateBagsToBlackgate

how am i stun thief? thieves only have 1 stun. and its fun to see it take 3-4 + BG running around in circle for 10min to only maybe kill me.

It appears he’s from KnT, so who cares. KnT calling AoN bad makes me giggle.

Sword Dagger stealth daze + Steal daze, with all the other wonderful steal traits and CD reduce, sorry matey. I didn’t know I had to type your build out for you. I wouldn’t surprised if you were even running the duration sigils and runes, even after the patch which stopped your exploiting of a broken duration rounding.

KnT? They’re full of bads, don’t even.

you clearly dont know what i am running except for the weapon set i am using lol.
you talk big but nobody actually know who you are or what guild you are repping. pm me if you want to back up all that talk

Considering I killed your thief twice to your killing me 0 times yesterday in 1v1s, I feel I backed myself up sufficiently. Oh and I did it with a zerker rifle warrior. You should be embarrassed. Not only should a rifle warrior NEVER beat a thief, but you’re running a dueling spec, I’m running a zerg spec, and I still gave your little asura a good punting. Nobody on your dead Tier 2 server will know who I am, that’s correct. On the flip side, no one here has heard of you or your pony guild. Maybe you should just stick to ganking rangers and uplevels, leave the forums to those with the right to speak.

well seems like you coward out. got nothing else to add to this anymore good day

Gotta get my PvE in before I have to go back to playing some real servers again next week!

Sounds like an excuse to me.

Woah woah woah! CLAM down. There is no justification for language of that kind!

The real question of this whole thread should be: Who the kitten levels more than one ranger, let alone three…seriously.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Vi Au.8341:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Winkin.1490:

Vi Au.8341:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Winkin.1490:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

deathTouch.9706:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

On Maguuma BL watching these AoN one trick ponies try to kill people lol.

I’m trying to care about a random BGer posting unsubstantiated dribble but it just isn’t working.

Someone help me out here, why should I be upset by this BG random of whom I’ve never heard of before?

If by 1 trick pony you mean single-minded in our ganking outnumbered BG players as they cross-map with one trick stun thief builds and zerker warriors, then yes, I suppose we can embrace that terminology.

Fixed that for yah! You’ve never heard of me because you’re tier 2.

Guess this guy got ganked by Ho or Conv. Tragic.

Don’t be silly, I’m from Blackgate, I never die. Had fun stopping a few AoN baddies from trying to kill unsuspecting rangers and the like though. There was one asura stun thief in particular that had incredible tunnel vision, and he kept coming back for more! #DonateBagsToBlackgate

how am i stun thief? thieves only have 1 stun. and its fun to see it take 3-4 + BG running around in circle for 10min to only maybe kill me.

It appears he’s from KnT, so who cares. KnT calling AoN bad makes me giggle.

Sword Dagger stealth daze + Steal daze, with all the other wonderful steal traits and CD reduce, sorry matey. I didn’t know I had to type your build out for you. I wouldn’t surprised if you were even running the duration sigils and runes, even after the patch which stopped your exploiting of a broken duration rounding.

KnT? They’re full of bads, don’t even.

you clearly dont know what i am running except for the weapon set i am using lol.
you talk big but nobody actually know who you are or what guild you are repping. pm me if you want to back up all that talk

Considering I killed your thief twice to your killing me 0 times yesterday in 1v1s, I feel I backed myself up sufficiently. Oh and I did it with a zerker rifle warrior. You should be embarrassed. Not only should a rifle warrior NEVER beat a thief, but you’re running a dueling spec, I’m running a zerg spec, and I still gave your little asura a good punting. Nobody on your dead Tier 2 server will know who I am, that’s correct. On the flip side, no one here has heard of you or your pony guild. Maybe you should just stick to ganking rangers and uplevels, leave the forums to those with the right to speak.

Have you asked RIOT or oPP? I think we’ve been well-acquainted.

And honestly, unless you’re in one of those guilds on BG, then a big LOL to you.

Xillllix.3485:

deathTouch.9706:

So post nerf, mostly for wvw:

1) Axe(main): Mediocre damage, way too much dmg backloaded onto 6th autoattack to be pvp-viable and terrible utility
2) Axe(offhand): God-awful everything
3) GS: Mobility only, indirect 100b nerf with skullcrack nerf.
4) Rifle: High dmg mostly single target but only useful with pure glass builds w/ high crit chance + dmg + power. Survivability is based on pairing with GS + EP and never making a mistake.
5) LB: Nerfed, mediocre/low damage. Only truly viable with condi builds.
6) Sword: Mediocre/low dmg except for final thrust, which reliably requires a stun condition to actually burst.
7) Sword(offhand): Terrible power scaling/low dmg, condi-only weapon
8) Shield: High defense, zero damage
9) WH: Mobility + utility, zero damage
10) Mace: Huge nerf, will be extremely hard to land a skullcrack considering its range and now 1/2s cast time + big animation. Indirectly nerfs GS. Big nerf to damage from Mace stuns.
11) Mace(offhand): Terrible dmg, one block one knockdown
11) Hammer: Burst nerfed making it very difficult to build enough dmg in wvw to actually kill targets before their heal gets off CD, especially if they make proper use of blinds, dodges, evades, invulns, teleports, stun breaks, blocks, or stab. Mediocre damage post-nerf. You can kiss killing full-bunkers goodbye with hammer, even with pure damage builds.

So basically, warrior weapons are for support-only. Got it Anet.

The only viable builds I see if you actually want to have any sort of competitive dmg is:

1) Pure condi war LB + SS (wooo more skill-less, boring condi kitten!!!!)

2) Glass Rifle + GS

3) Nerfed hammer war that is dependent on someone else to actually finish off targets for them because they will lack sustained burst/dmg against any half-decent player.

This nerf is clearly, very clearly targeted only at the spvp Hambow war. So why not make spvp ONLY changes Anet???? This is going to trash our wvw builds/effectiveness.

We’re already extremely lacking on viable offensive builds (the main purpose of this class was to be a primary DPS class), and you just nerfed yet another one into the ground unnecessarily, mainly because terrible players can’t figure out how to use blinds, dodges, evades, invulns, teleports, stun breaks, blocks, or stab.

And for the love of god buff axe, especially offhand. No one in their right mind takes axe at this point because it is so godkitten awful.

Your still going to be able to beat a staff ele in a few seconds bashing your keys randomly so there is no point crying.

1) That’s an ele problem, not a warrior problem. I’m not opposed to buffing eles in general.

2) Even so, the staff ele in our guild can work wonders by herself with a little support. If you’re running solo staff ele…why? If you’re not running solo staff ele, why aren’t you asking for peels from teammates when you need it? Staff ele isn’t meant to be super mobile as much as its supposed to be support + mobile artillery and is vulnerable to aggressive melee classes that can keep constant pressure on it. If she’s getting locked down by stun wars then it’s our guard and war’s job to help peel off the wars long enough for her to do her job of AoE deeps on downed clumps + water fields. If the opposing war’s have long-time stab up then we corrupt with a necro and deal with it accordingly.

This game actually works fairly well if everyone on your team knows their job, communicates and reacts in different situations.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

I’m trying to care about a random BGer posting unsubstantiated dribble but it just isn’t working.

Someone help me out here, why should I be upset by this BG random of whom I’ve never heard of before?

If by 1 trick pony you mean single-minded in our ganking outnumbered BG players as they cross-map with one trick stun thief builds and zerker warriors, then yes, I suppose we can embrace that terminology.

Full dire with carrion trinkets certainly the best option for any AoN roaming build!

And oh no, you got ganked while running back to your zerg! Consider it a favor, we would have just wiped you minutes later anyway when BG tried to take garrison for the umpteenth time.

Irony much that one of the first posts of the thread is a guy on BG, of all servers, complaining about getting “zerged down” by one of the smallest roaming guilds in NA.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

On Maguuma BL watching these AoN one trick ponies try to kill people lol.

I’m trying to care about a random BGer posting unsubstantiated dribble but it just isn’t working.

Someone help me out here, why should I be upset by this BG random of whom I’ve never heard of before?

If by 1 trick pony you mean single-minded in our killing of hoards of terrible BG players, then yes, I suppose we can embrace that terminology.

Well this last week was boring as kitten, cya TC and SoR

mini.6018:

If you wanted a condi warrior for fun you would have done it 10 to 6 months ago.You just don’t make a condi build for fun anymore .You make it for BOORING.S/s Bow is the most booring thing ever and no skill build ever.

This. With the introduction of dire armor, it’s literally the most skill-less build you can run now as war, and arguably in the whole game.

Chris.3290:

deathTouch.9706:

Hexin.5603:

Chris is on SoS and referring to next week.

Oh, right, of course… <.<

Did you lose your sig due to infractions Chris? I swore you had one earlier…

I just recently got mine back

I’ve never used a sig.

What a PvF scrub.

Hexin.5603:

Chris is on SoS and referring to next week.

Oh, right, of course… <.<

Did you lose your sig due to infractions Chris? I swore you had one earlier…

I just recently got mine back

Chris.3290:

So Mag, can we blatantly 2v1 BG so that there will be at least a small chance that this coming week will not be a blobbed out crapsack?

The last time a 5 man AoN party tried to help TC in a 2v1 vs another blob, both zergs turned to us and tried to 2v1 us.

I think we’ll stick to killing grub, emote spamming and zerging down uplevels tyvm.

Liquid.9672:

Dsybok.1405:

Ok yeah I like the exhibition idea a little better. but I do not agree it would be a lopsided a match as everyone seems to think. I think there is a lot of gold league hubris involved in the folks saying they could triple wp all 3 bl and EB and then just camp spawn. I do not think it would be that easy.

I think it would be interesting to see the silver and bronze winner double teaming the gold winner, regardless of the result.

The only way it might be close is if it was indeed some kind of 6ish hour exhibition during NA prime only, which of course wouldn’t be fair to people who’s prime play time is in other time zones who wanted to participate thus Anet wouldn’t do this.

I don’t know, Anet has pretty much let oceanic server coverage purely determine the outcome of nearly every match-up since release, I don’t really see the harm in letting NA players determine the outcome of a single 6 hour match.

Clearly you’ve never played LoL.

Budchgon.2108:

I have a s/s+lbow cond warrior and mainly WvWvW but I hve encountered a few problems I thought experienced warriors could help me with…

1, Elementalists!!! no matter what I do I can’t seem to win any 1v1 against these guys/gals. as soon as I apply conditions, they are cleared leaving me little more than useless :-(

2. Guardians !!! just seems their whole persona is geared towards removing conditions…

So, any tips from fellow condition warriors on how to handle these two professions ?

Here’s how I usually defeat these classes with essentially any viable SS + LB build:

Step 1: Turn face 90 degrees to your right, lean over and squarely place left cheek against left side of keyboard.

Step 2: Slowly begin rotating face in a clockwise-direction so nose and eyes pass over the keys on your keyboard. Continue until right cheek is pressed firmly against the keyboard and you are facing the opposite direction to which you started.

Step 3: Slowly rotate counter-clockwise, ensuring the pressing of maximum keys possible with the area of your face and returning to your initial starting position with left cheek squarely pressed against keyboard, facing right.

Step 4: Repeat steps 1-3 until opponent is down.

Read “traited for full siege” as an ele and was a bit confused.

Then saw OP was from TC, and everything suddenly made sense. So here’s my advice:

I’d definitely recommend a full carrion set, maybe with some rabid trinkets thrown in there because why the hell not. Go full Rune of the Svanir because I’ve seen a lot of people using that from TC lately and if you get focused while on your siege you can turn into a block of ice for 5 seconds and survive! Sigil of Sanctuary pairs really well with Svanir runes because as you rack up tags and kills with your siege you’ll also be getting closer to ANOTHER 5 seconds of invulnerability after your 26th kill, which will really help mitigate damage that you will be taking at that point. It’s like having two separate endure pains available as an ele, and we all know how OP endure pain is from complaints on the war forum!!!! Ele has access to a ton of conditions (burn, bleed, poison from AC, cripple from AC, bleed from AC, chill from cannon, bleed from cannon, bleed from ballista, cripple from oil, burn from mortar, poison from treb cow (cow is highest DPS in my experience and you should always be on treb cowing if you have the chance)), so condi dmg and condi duration stacking is definitely the way to go for staff ele, especially since you’re a TC player and it’s pretty much assumed you will be spending 90%+ of your time in a tower or keep manning siege.

Don’t worry about dropping water fields as that’s not your job, you worked hard to max out those siege mastery so leave that job to some noob who didn’t properly use his WvW mastery points.

Shout out to INC for helping us secure overgrown grub objective last night. Working together as one, Maguuma can do great things.

Oh btw, go to mesmer forum and we are 3rd easiest to kill for them, right after bearbow ranger and bad eles.

“With warriors, you only need to avoid the stuns. Pick up blocks and stun breakers and they are not that beasts they seem.” <—- from decent players

Also, according to engie forums warrior is about 3rd easiest to kill, right after thief and bad eles.

So yeah, nerf that overpowered warrior hammer build that clearly has no counter…except of course phantasm/bunker PU mesmers, celestial engies, condi-tanky necros who know how to avoid being hit during zerker stance, dire-wars, or well-playe d/p thieves.

Clearly no counters at all. There’s nothing you can do against a hammer warrior except beat it with another hammer warrior. Sorta like how you can’t beat a PU condi bunker mesmer without rolling a PU condi bunker mesmer.

It’s well-known the best game balance comes when you try to compensate for the bottom 10% of players.

So post nerf, mostly for wvw:

1) Axe(main): Mediocre damage, way too much dmg backloaded onto 6th autoattack to be pvp-viable and terrible utility
2) Axe(offhand): God-awful everything
3) GS: Mobility only, indirect 100b nerf with skullcrack nerf.
4) Rifle: High dmg mostly single target but only useful with pure glass builds w/ high crit chance + dmg + power. Survivability is based on pairing with GS + EP and never making a mistake.
5) LB: Nerfed, mediocre/low damage. Only truly viable with condi builds.
6) Sword: Mediocre/low dmg except for final thrust, which reliably requires a stun condition to actually burst.
7) Sword(offhand): Terrible power scaling/low dmg, condi-only weapon
8) Shield: High defense, zero damage
9) WH: Mobility + utility, zero damage
10) Mace: Huge nerf, will be extremely hard to land a skullcrack considering its range and now 1/2s cast time + big animation. Indirectly nerfs GS. Big nerf to damage from Mace stuns.
11) Mace(offhand): Terrible dmg, one block one knockdown
11) Hammer: Burst nerfed making it very difficult to build enough dmg in wvw to actually kill targets before their heal gets off CD, especially if they make proper use of blinds, dodges, evades, invulns, teleports, stun breaks, blocks, or stab. Mediocre damage post-nerf. You can kiss killing full-bunkers goodbye with hammer, even with pure damage builds.

So basically, warrior weapons are for support-only. Got it Anet.

The only viable builds I see if you actually want to have any sort of competitive dmg is:

1) Pure condi war LB + SS (wooo more skill-less, boring condi kitten!!!!)

2) Glass Rifle + GS

3) Nerfed hammer war that is dependent on someone else to actually finish off targets for them because they will lack sustained burst/dmg against any half-decent player.

This nerf is clearly, very clearly targeted only at the spvp Hambow war. So why not make spvp ONLY changes Anet???? This is going to trash our wvw builds/effectiveness.

We’re already extremely lacking on viable offensive builds (the main purpose of this class was to be a primary DPS class), and you just nerfed yet another one into the ground unnecessarily, mainly because terrible players can’t figure out how to use blinds, dodges, evades, invulns, teleports, stun breaks, blocks, or stab.

And for the love of god buff axe, especially offhand. No one in their right mind takes axe at this point because it is so godkitten awful.

We ran around today and killed people and it was good.

phaeris.7604:

Every warrior seems to be of similar skill level, which I believe is because they have a very low skill cap.

So what would explain why one warrior can consistently beat another warrior with both having equal gear and spec (all other factors equal)?

Phoenixfudge.5290:

If you’re dying immediately after using vengeance then l2p. When I mean l2p I mean l2pvt.

Seriously though, stop relying on that invincibility crutch on vengeance. That nerf was well warranted. Did you really think the same huurrrr durrr zerker warrior from PVE would translate well into PVP? Get some Power, Vitality, Toughness armor.

Great, now that you vengeanced you’ll be utterly useless and incapable of damaging or killing anything post-vengeance. You were probably allowed to vengeance in the first place because no decent player will waste time/hp/possible stability spiking a PVT warrior.

Vengeanced PVT warrior: The single most ignorable threat in the game.

EDIT: Sorta on topic, I thought it was general knowledge that warrior downstate was one of the worst?

In general, a good downstate buys time for your team to rez you, not for you to do “MAD DEEPS”. To this end:

*Thief has small range TP to 100% avoid stomp from multiple enemies (unless quickness) and then invis for himself and whoever is rezzing (Very good downed state)

*Ele has an invuln + mist form to 100% avoid stomp from multiple enemies (unless quickness) and then place himself in a position that allows his team to more safely rez, or for him to rez himself out of sight. (Very good downed state)

*Mesmer has an invis/teleport that allows them to 100% avoid stomp from multiple enemies if timed appropriately (unless quickness). Clones are pretty useless. (Decent downed state)

Guardian has an AoE knockback that prevents stomp from multiple players (unless quickness OR stab). Symbol of Judgment assists team with rezzing the guard (Decent downed state)

*Ranger has an AoE stun that allows them to avoid stomp from multiple enemies (unless stab or quickness (actually unsure about stealth since I’m not a ranger expert)). Pet assists in rezzing player, and is godly underwater where stomping is impossible. (Decent downed state above water, best downed state underwater)

*Engie has a single target pull+knockdown that prevents stomp (unless stab, stealth, quickness, aegis (?), multiple stomps), followed by an AoE knockback if enemies take long enough to stomp (countered by stab). Overall this can help assist with rezzing but most of the time someone somewhere will have stab at some point and stomp the engie (Mediocre down state)

*Necro has a single target fear that avoids stomping (unless stab, quickness, stealth or condi immunity, multiple stomps), as well that actually does a reasonable amount of dmg if you stand in it for too long. However, due to number of ways in which to counter their initial ability to prevent stomp, their down state is rather poor (Poor downed state)

*Warrior has a single target, cast-timed ranged knockdown (unless quickness, stab, blind, stealthed, obstructed, dodged (from telegraphed animation), shield blocked, aegis-blocked or multiple stomps). Vengeance revives with low HP and can be reasonably useful but, due to the very-poor anti-stomp mechanism built into warrior downstate, is rarely used. (Terrible down state)

So yes, in a high-level, organized pvp situation where the enemy team actively tries to stomp high-value targets and the friendly team aims at assisting teammates to revive from downed state, warrior has the worst down-state mechanic because of its terrible initial-stomp prevention skill.

Again, the point of the downed state isn’t to deal massive damage or kill people, it’s to buy time for your team to rez you so you can return to your normal role in the fight. Considering this, warrior’s downstate is by far the worst.

I mean seriously, who really complained about vengeance 5s invuln before they changed it? If you were sitting in melee range of a vengeanced war and autoattacking it for the 5s vulnerability period then you deserved to die.

Mordecai.6318:

FrownyClown.8402:

LetoII.3782:

FrownyClown.8402:

Nice fights with CaB today from RaGe. Hopefully we can catch you guys with even numbers.

Just 4 of us :/
whatchoo mean?

3v4 isnt that big of a deal I know. I was immobilize stacked for days at one point lol. It was hard to counter perplexity and full zerker d/d thief.

You had 3 for one of the six engagements we had with you. The rest you had 4-5. You won 2 of them and lost 4. Reality, live in it please. Regardless, good fights.

If you guys want 5v5-8v8 roaming fights you should try to hook something up with us [AoN]

Winkin.1490:

Medeyn.8562:

I will help you to understand what the problem was, and the reason you got killed. I do believe you died, because if you won that fight you would not have bothered coming onto the forum to post.

Hi, welcome to a Maguuma thread.

^This. And I thought it was common knowledge at this point that it takes a hell of a lot more than 6 SoR to wipe 3 Mags.

Medeyn.8562:

deathTouch.9706:

I’d like to give a shout out to guild Ph of SoR for ganking 3-4 random mag people with no comms in the middle of duels on 3 separate occasions with a 5-6 person organized group, and getting completely wiped every time.

On a scale of 1 to Rage Quitting GW2 Forever, how do you feel Ph?

They clearly wont care enough to come respond to your QQ…

What a pointless post… 3-4 Ph having fun and not running around in a zerg, and you have to complain? Maybe you were dueling in a bad spot? I mean if I saw a few red names sitting at a sentry or a ruins node, whats wrong with going and attacking?

Maybe go behind the windmill or up north camp next time, Pretty sure there will be less traffic there. Then hopefully you wont get killed and have to come make QQ on here!

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In regards to the post of Choo having 25… that does actually look like ~25, the fact that they are stacked on the gate makes the names look like mumbo jumbo.

If you had 16 and wiped to 25… whats so bad about that? You dont get better by outnumbering your opponent all the time… If you downed half of them or even killed some you did a good job…

I don’t know how you could possibly screw up reading my post that bad, but lets try this again but a little more slowly this time:

1) 3-4 random Mag were dueling some random SoR at island. Ok you following me?

2) 5-6 Ph from SoR show up, veil and and gank Mag players who are in the middle of dueling. Ok still with me?

3) 5-6 Ph wipe to 3-4 Mag players who had lack of CDs from being in the middle of 1v1s. Ok got it? I’m moving on to next point.

4) Mag players laugh at Ph for being god-awful.

Ok do you now understand what happened?

I’d like to give a shout out to guild Ph of SoR for ganking 3-4 random mag people with no comms in the middle of duels on 3 separate occasions with a 5-6 person organized group, and getting completely wiped every time.

On a scale of 1 to Rage Quitting GW2 Forever, how do you feel Ph?

Locuz.2651:

deathTouch.9706:

However, then swap out your gear for full zerker + cav and drop mel runes for hoelbrak and go solo roam looking for 1vX fights and see how well you do without understanding your exact CD’s, understanding the
builds of the people you’re facing and knowing when to time your stun locks + burst and dmg mitigation CDs.

Problem is that we as warriors dont need to use offensive gear or runes. We can build our character to be tanky, have good CC, have good mobility … while being able to do good damage/burst at the same time.

I haven’t lost to a single one of these “tankier” hammer warriors who fail to spec into offensive gear or runes since as far back as I can remember. If I’m sitting with 130% crit dmg and 3,100 base attack w/ increased duration might stacks and 75%+ fury uptime and manage to dodge/block their attacks while they try to facetank mine, they are going to die and they are going to die very quickly. And that’s what happens every single time.

There is no profession that has all of that wrapped in one package.

1) Condi bunker mesmer (add perplex runes for fun)
2) Zerker phantasm mesmer of any decent build w/ PU
3) Condi pistol/shield engie (no burst but high sustained condi dmg)
4) Hybrid-dmg celestial rifle engie w/ runes of noble + grenade spam
5) Any well-played dire-geared condi anything, including but not limited to necros.

And that’s just off the top of my head.

Zanshin.5379:

There’s a reason the warrior is getting nerfed on december 10th.

Mostly because complaining about something on a forum is much easier than actually learning the game mechanics and how to counter whatever you are facing.

2-3k earthshakers that your average ham warrior puts out in WvW is pretty ignorable by itself. For anyone specced to hit harder, then it’s a simple matter of countering it with the knowledge that they specced for dmg (primarily reliant on an earthshaker-->backbreaker —> staggering blow --> follow up attacks routine) at the expense of some survivability. If you’re repeatedly getting hit by the most common intiatior, earthshaker, one of the most telegraphed and delayed abilities in the game, it’s time to bind your dodge key to your keyboard or press your blink/blind/evade/invuln/stab/block ability (pick one) and recognize you need to press it when the war stops, brings the hammer behind his head, and awkwardly leaps forward. Unlike many other instant-cast ranged abilities in the game, ES can actually be countered before you’re even hit by it through proper animation recognition and timely skill response. Now it’s on a min 7s CD and they’re stuck with melee weapon in hand vulnerable to kited ranged damage.

The most frustrating thing about this is the nerf is that it is catering to a lower-skillset playerbase that refused to learn the proper counter the the ability, the result of which will open up a gap between war and other classes at higher-level play.

-dT[AoN]

You will get condi bombed repeatedly and die very quickly.

Even if you slot cleansing ire you will be extremely vulnerable to being unable to reliably clear condis due to blinds/evades/dodges/invulns/blinks/blocks + cripple/immob/chill that may prevent you from landing the burst.

Also both mace MH and Ham are getting hardnerfed in less than a month, so yeah, don’t run this build.

Going to assume we’re talking hammer warrior here. This is my WvW perspective.

Ok so, it’s easy to say yeah, I can run a tanky hammer build and be “effective” by spamming earthshaker with 5 other wars and stunlocking my opponent for medium-ish DPS. If that’s how you measure success as a ham war then yes, ham warrior is easy to play.

However, then swap out your gear for full zerker + cav and drop mel runes for hoelbrak and go solo roam looking for 1vX fights and see how well you do without understanding your exact CD’s, understanding the builds of the people you’re facing and knowing when to time your stun locks + burst and dmg mitigation CDs.

Or just go fight a good mesmer or celestial condi engie with your sworld/shield + ham build and see how “easy” the class is.

So, is it easy to play a build that does mediocre dmg and have high survivability…sure. Is it easy to play a warrior that is heavy-weighted in power and is used as an AoE burster in highly outnumbered fights, no it is not. Or in a 1v1 situation with a good bunker mes or engie, no it is not.

“Easy” is all relative on the application of the class/build you are using and the niche role in which you are trying to use it. I’ve always said warrior has a low skill floor in that it’s pretty hard to be rallybait as a warrior, but it does also have a high skill cap when you’re trying to push it to be as effective as other classes in certain situations (1v1, AoE burst, sustained single target dmg). The one area it does easily excel over other classes is hard CC, and that is where most of the QQ is coming from; people don’t like losing control of their character in fights and feeling like they can’t do anything while they sit there and get DPSed down (even though they could have slotted more stunbreaks or used them more efficiently), more than anything else in a game. And that’s one of the main reasons why hammer is getting nerfed.

-dT[AoN]

oZii.2864:

Ok Fat Mesmer from Ill with bolt and twilight. That was ridiculous there should be no reason that a mesmer fights a ele for 20 minutes on 2 different occasions.

Suggestion – For your 20/20/30 prismatic understand build. Drop Crippling Dissipation grab Empowered Illusions for more Deeps. Ele v Mesmer should never last 20 minutes. I do like how when the PUG from burn came you where thirsty to kill me with help chasing from south camp all the way to my spawn had me giggling.

Or just go with the easy GF-approved fix and slap on some perplex runes.

kitten , what will I ever do without my Perplex PVT Shout heal warrior GS + A/A build