Everyone, the thing we have to remember is; what the cure is for some, maybe poison to another. In every mmo out there you have both, regardless of what the dev’s say. Areananet added this content to give those at level 80 something to do, Nd though they new it would not be liked by everyone, they still had to try something. Does it work? In my opinion yes, most definatly though i wish there was a requirement in order to get in, like say " equipped all exotic gear" or something.
time will tell if this truely does work but rift started with record numbers and then focused on raiding and then came the server closing and so forth as most returned to other games they had more time invested in people are looking for a change in the same mmo formula Anet started with that idea and most wont stick around for what they were already getting in the game they left most of my friends and fellows gamers already went back after the patch I ll be spitting my time and funds if this continues to be the trend after all this is a free to play at the moment any way
Some of those mechanics are reused in various games because they work.
Most of those games using those mechanics have lost huge amounts of players, not to mention those that simply failed. Other than WoW, very few games using that model have been successful.
Even WOW the expansion that they had the most subscribers Wrath made gear virtually available to everyone now that they have gated their gear and made it strictly obtainable in raids their numbers have dwindled MOP sales were 37% lower then CATA but I have a certain feeling that they will go up do to Anet change I mean really it easier to craft and farm and some that left for the equal footing promised here have years invested in the game
Argueing the point of limiting the use of Ascended Gear use only in dungeons leads me to believe its not about the challenge and fun that you have in there, only about one uping the other players out in the world. If I cant run around the world showing off my shinies I wont feel accomplished? I feel sorry that there are people out there that need that soo badly in a video game.
I keep hearing end game and that you cant have it without vertical progression. Seriously do we ever really hit end game in a mmo I mean by the time we reach that one dungeon and killed that one last monster the new expansion is coming out offering more and better content. Its only a reference to keep the lemmings going to get more shinies in the ever undying quest for bigger and better things. Let me give you a hint there really is no end games out there. People who wanted horizontal progression just realize for every new bright shiny they give you they just add more hp on to the next boss and they rather of had cosmetic looks to choose from then numbers making it truely a choice wether to do the content or skip it. =)
I just want to remind you that you’re angry at a few lines of code.
If you don’t like it, don’t get it. If you do like it, work for it. You have to remember that there are people in the game that do enjoy the challenge of the Fractals, and do deserve better gear for their progress. The game wasn’t just made for you. If you play a part of any game for a long time you expect a reward, and the ascended gear is that.
MMOs are a living game in the sense that the developers have to keep changing them in order to keep up with the player base, out of expectation of said players. When you buy an MMO, you sign up for a long haul. Single players games are fine with one arc because the player goes in knowing that once they’re done, they’re done. Sure, some companies now come out with DLC for their games, which is optional and not everybody enjoys, but that’s ok because they don’t HAVE to play it. You paid one time for the game that was released. Were there a subscription fee and you were forced to pay for content you’ll never use is one thing. Getting angry on the forums about a completely optional part of the game that you’re paying nothing for is a little silly.
Because you farm a dungeon you deserve better then everyone in the game No I dont think so that is your choice to farm it I would rather farm out in the world and do events with everyone as a whole and I think we all deserve I sure hope you keep the attitude about the free game when or if they put this gear or gear equlvent to it outside the dungeon on a karma vendor to account for making gear available to all play styles after all you will still have bragging rights that you had it first
After giving it a week of trying to get any ascended item doing both lvl 10 and lvl 20 fractals and the pure random nature of who gets the privilege to progress in the game and who is stuck in limbo forever, I’m uninstalling this game. The wow kiddies who demands Anet now listen to can have it. The fact that a daily chest is the only means to progress and the drop is not 100% is horrible design. Can’t wait to start seeing infusion items in the gem store just to keep the casuals happy and complete the transformation of this game to a F2P P2W Asian MMO. Manifesto was a lie! Is it to late to get a refund?
They wont get that from me I will silently protest level alts delete alts level them again Farm gold Farm crafting mats ect I will continue to play the game I payed 60 dollars for and take up space although probably will try a few other games to see if I m happier playing them if they give me a avenue to acquire the gear that concurs with my playstyle I might farm it Will I be opening my wallet to get the current gear no way cuz just like WOW the gear will always be gaining stats why pay now for something they will sooner or later get around to make obsolete
Alright we get it you want a group finder ….. but wanna know something I m at end game with nothing to do but tweedle my thumbs see dungeon running isnt my thing And I would like to see a zone worth exploring with dynamic events and Karma vendors with new gear and such to support my type of play style If you are a person that likes to run dungeons Gratz on the new content but could you plz let them focus on others so we could also feel acomplished that also would like attention you new content hasnt been out a full month and you start complaining and wanting more and making it the solution to everything
The OP nails it on the head. This is precisely what is happening and what has already happened and what’s going to happen if Anet doesn’t turn around now.
They won’t. They already had a set of plans to follow, adding more powerful infusions. Nexon saw it fit to make a cash cow out of the GW2, which is, imho given a few more months, could be sit side by side with WoW clones. With the lack of bug fixes to a whole lot of things, you can pretty much tell that they spent their resources on this update. There’s no way in hell that executives would retract this.
Fixed that for you. Nobody is ever going to come anywhere near WoW’s success by coping WoW.
Wow biggest subscription time was wrath when gear was not gated to raids at the end the skilled player said they didnt feel accomplished due to the fact that everyone had the gear to see all the content hence why WOW went back to gating their gear thru raids again and even they have seen a steady decline in players MOP sold 37% less then cata Hell I just bought MOP for 20 dollars and it came out a month after GW2
No, vertical progression can be done without being made worse by RNG. Two methods come to mind:
1 – Each run you complete you are guaranteed some tokens/gold/etc. Get enough and you can buy the item even if the RNG hates you.
2 – Make the stuff tradeable. That way if the RNG hates you, you still get to buy the items eventually from other players. Instead of the current system which forces the lucky players to trash the RNG drops once they have enough for themselves.
Agreed but you left out another viable solution Make the gear available on many venues i.e. the most viable thats already in game Karma vendors that way people can pick the path they want that most fits their play style
I could see someone coming to game from WOW used to the grind grind it out fast as possible so you dont find yourself behind being in this situation probably why so many complained they were at end content and Anet was amazed that people went thru the content so fast, I on the other hand took my time started slowly looked at all the starter zones and what they had to offer messed here and there was pleasantly happy that i did see people in all the zones I leveled in when i was almost 80 I had almost 80% map completion was looking forward to farming DE in orr but I guess that is over due to the fact most have gotten their exotics and there isnt much else to buy on them for the vertical progression group crowd to bother any more now that people can grind out levels in the new dungeon zones will be more empty who wants to be in a zone alone and you have the chance at mad lootz in there I however was looking forward to exploring the new zone they put in thought i would have fun there while people invested time in the dungeon but its soo bland and void of content looks as tho someone could have cared less making the zone and the dungeon it seemed they were pushing it down my throat to do this month I mean dungeon completion and then fractals on the monthly if the trend for this game is to cater to the dungeon/raid set and hand out left overs to other play styles the game clearly wont be what I thought And my group and I will more then likely head back to WOW cuz if I have to play a game like that might as well play the one I have the most time invested in
LFG came to wow next thing you know everyone leveled their toon in a dungeon not caring about the content they missed doing so most sat around stormwind or org while in LFG ques ……. hmmmm seeing I ve seen that same argument here in then forums I would say check the main city hub LA
I love you post well thought out and well presented.
I might point out alot of the long time players in vertical games stick it out long term in hopes that a new game will come around just like what gw2 spoke of. I know this i played wow for 5/6 years. Tried Rift when it first came out but then they started focusing more on raids then the world so quit went back to WOW. But we can learn something from WOW their highest time for subscriptions was amidst Wrath when gear was made, with a little bit of farming, available to everyone. Due to elitist consensus, that they didnt feel special enough, gear was take back to being gated. Subsequent expansions, Cata and MOP, have seen a steady decline in the numbers playing. So there is a big market for a game that makes gear accessible to everyone its just a question of who will take advantage of this consumer base. I know a couple of people who have already went back to WOW even tho they are not happy there simply due to the fact that this game has put in gated gear and they spent less on a subscription there.
Soon everybody will levelup their alts in fractals thanks to scaling and character based difficulty progression. All we need is cross server dungeon finder and working LFG tool.
Leveling a toon in a dungeon, never exploring the zones I really have made it back to WOW
Its been a week with this with no news that change will becoming. And they said the new zone they released was a success actually how many people do you see if you go there so how do you describe it as a success. I m new to guild wars so I cant say I have experience but I am certainly starting to think it might be a mistake to think I bought a game different from the wow clones already out there
Before FotM, only the low and mid level maps were empty. Orr was pretty active then, especially in Cursed Shores. Now… DEAD. RIP.
clearly we see who progressed by dungeon running and who enjoyed exploring the world and too each their own playstyle just dont give one a reward w/o rewarding the other game style
I for one wonder what use was it to put in karma jugs and such a week or two before expansion when all this gear makes karma virtually useless unless you want to buy recipes or crafting material
Eh most games have a vertical progression, heck even halo and COD. People like to see power rise as they invest time into it.
IF you want horizontal progression, go to facebook or something. Even at 80 without fractals and ascended armor, there was still vertical progression. People had to get exotic gear in order to run harder dungeons ect.
I prefer to play games, i would prefer to play a game the progress horizontally and not vertically. That being said if I have to invest my money in a game that is not designing content I like I prefer a subscription based game due to the fact they are guaranteed to be there in maybe 6months. That being said I wont invest my money in the game I dont believe in paying to keep up if the vertical players can support the game Gratz you just added a new game to the collection of hundreds of options out there but if you cant so sorry Anet you gambled and lost.
Best way to make everyone happy and not have to worry about this A) make this gear only viable in dungeons the gear can only be used while in dungeons or make the gear available thru the means they had set up drops from every where (world, wvw, dungeons ect) , karma vendors, badge vendors ect……. having it sellable on ah from people who only run dungeons not viable cuz some dont want to pay a 100g to fatten their bag and/or dont have it (still unreasonable way to acquire new gear)
Before I begin let me tell you I have done the rat grind of getting the best gear in the game and found it very exhausting and demoralizing and hardly worth time due to the fact once you got here came the next patch releasing higher stat gear its hardly about the fun when you can take someone you have enjoyed playing with for months and tell them you arent geared enough, skilled enough to participate in this raid or this other person is just plain better then you he might be a jerk and we hate spending time with him but we want that gear. i did it for a couple of years and then tried to stay interested in the same game and realized the content to keep me interested wasnt there.
well the month started with my bf upset about new gear being introduced and the effect it could possibly have in wvw. I tried to be supportive but I had my doubts as to where this all was leading especially since I looked at the monthly and saw dungeon completions there. Well for me or my group consisting of my bf, nephew and mom this is next to impossible. My bf is the only one with any experience in dodging and ducking. So he quickly farmed a toon up spending hours farming karma to get the gear. We got our tribe together as sweet as my mom is and as geared as she can be she is still 65yrs old with the aged reflexes, my nephew who in all his infinate wisdom thinks making his toon look good is better then actually leveling it (level 50 at this time) me well i have not been in to gear everything on my toon is crafted. The four of us take a deep breath and go in after 1/2 hours we complete it, a big relief and happiness follows cuz we can at least complete the monthly. My nephew as dippy as he is spends 150 on the game my mom has spent her fair share and complains she is spending more then what her subscription would have been at the other game. I try to keep them happy and tell them they are releasing new content, you see my hopes are up for a new place to explore as I already completed a 100% map completion. Then the event and the last two items on monthly pop and the gear. Clearly the game is trying to funnel me into to doing dungeons but not only dungeons a specific dungeon. 7 Fractals =/ its just plain demoralizing to see that after all I ve kept my chin up this is the holiday season right .. oh wait they sayed a new land a new zone God help me something that will be worth it and then i run thru their event and i m just plain not impressed and depressed about it. We did try the fractal but we didnt complete 3 due to me making a glass canyon for fun sake and no one knowing how to interupt except bf we spent 45mins on a boss. Completely fustrated and feeling less and less like a community member here in game, I have talked it over with my group and we have agreed is we dont have a better christmas this isnt the place for us.
So now you know my story and I guess what I m looking for is game suggestions
I just started watching the forum…. I come in hope to see they will be adding new content for me an average player that doesnt have any desire to lock myself away in a dungeon and doesnt have a desire for the best gear in the game at that expense. i will be reinstalling a new game this weekend to see the new content they have added so i will be playing less and yes i did see the new zone that was added which is void of content and looks like the possibly put a day’s worth of interest in its purpose after the event was over
i dont think this is about gear i think its more about accessiblity of that gear …. several friends and i like to level toons we have 4/5 80s should the next piece of highend gear only be given to people who have 4/5 80s on their account after all we put in the work we grinded the level to have them would that be fair to someone that only has one and only likes that one toon and one class …. no …. its not the gear its the accessiblilty
this discussion makes me want to ask if you were playing with a special friend some one thru not fault of their own they were just off and in need of extra help on almost everything that they are undeserving of any reward or of any need to participate and to go a little bit farther they put way more effert in to trying for that reward then you but you deserve it more or a bigger reward why?
I like to explore the world, farm crafting material, and craft… i dont pvp wvw or run dungeons.. I bought the game partly due to the statement that end game gear would be available to everyone regardless of their gaming preferences will this still be the case
hmmmm …. I think we need to look at something wow usually releases a raid every 4/6 months to reward new gear ….. guild wars 2 just about did the same thing and not every one was happy about this cuz it wasnt what guild wars 1 had done then hours to possible a day after the new dungeon is out people start yelling for gear scores and party finders so they dont have to waste their time carrying people.. gear scores and party finders are big concepts from wow …. so conclussion you want to play a game like wow but you dont want it to be called wow …. just think if wow came out with a expansion and they didnt have the usual gear grinding do you not think those players would be upset …. guild wars 1 there was a strong fan base that bought the game expecting the same game style and i dont think they are wrong for voicing their opinion that they dont like the changes….. as far as i m concerned i would rather not see rude people who cant take some one elses opinion with open mind
what some fail to understand it isnt the introduction of new gear in the gear its that they put that gear accessible in only one area of the game ….. if after a month of grinding the dungeon and getting the gear they put the next set of gear in pvp and you for the most part only pve would you be upset ….. the main issue isnt there gear its that the gear is only accessible in one part of the game which according to anet all gear would be accessible to all players no matter their gaming prefrence
I looked forward to trying a new game and for the first few months it was very entertaining and enjoyable you saw people out running around the different areas doing different things even with the dungeons available at that time but since this last dungeon hit every one has flocked to the dungeon to grind out the new gear leaving most places deserted…. the new map ( which i had looked forward to exploring while some did the new dungeon) is a waste and if it really is just the new experience of the dungeon how would you feel after spending weeks on end grinding out this gear and then anet put out recipes for crafters to make the new gear or karma vendors where you could buy it…. this was after all suppossed to be a game where gear was accessible to all players regardless of their prefrence of play so have fun grinding the gear as fast as you can excluding people cuz you feel they will hold you back but remember something…… one day that person might be the one you need help from
i m just playing gw2 to take a break from wow ….. wow isnt much better and you pay monthly to play. consider it people some of you know what i mean of spending a week farming a event trying for a random mount drop or pet drop and it not being there and you payed wow a subscription for the privelige to do this. so attending a one time event and not getting a precusor well no biggie. but i do have to say that one time events due to the multitudes of players and the laggyness and d/cing issues it makes it very disappointing so the big question since they kicked off refer a friend is do i really want to refer my friend to disappointing one time events random drops that never seem to go their way farming newer better gear and the elitism that seems to be sneaking in?…no… for now i will enjoy the game for what it is entertainment i will enjoy the money i save from not paying a subscription to wow but i wont buy any black lion keys gems ect for a game i fully intend to leave at some future time… there are other places i can spend that money perhaps a new game that i will be happier with
make the gear available thru the means they had set up drops from every where (world, wvw, dungeons ect) , karma vendors, badge vendors ect……. having it sellable on ah from people who only run dungeons not viable cuz some dont want to pay a 100g to fatten their bag and/or dont have it (still unreasonable way to acquire new gear)