Normally I’d troll a bit and egg this on, but I’m not feeling it today.
Look at it this way: There are two types of players:
Those that find speed clears fun and are trying to maximum profit per time, and those that are playing to have fun experiencing a dungeon in other ways. Whether that’s immersion in a storyline, the feeling of vanquishing a dungeon, etc etc.
The latter group often feels a strong connection to “their” build. They’ve put together a character that they feel suits them and how they want to play, and don’t want to redo their build and learn some cookie cutter meta build that isn’t what they want. I can understand that.
The speed run group knows the meta build is best for their interests: getting things done fast. They expect their parties to be performing at their best, know the mechanics inside and out, use the best suited attacks, skip time-wasting mobs that aren’t needed, etc etc etc.
The other group is more or less just playing to have fun with the sole goal of completing the dungeon in their character. They don’t want to change their build, they don’t care about maximum efficiency, they want the feeling of accomplishment for completing a dungeon “the hard way” — killing most of the enemies, not drastically changing up a build just to get more DPS, etc. Just play as you are, and have fun. Zipping through the dungeon in a blur, being dragged from boss to boss only to stack and melt them is not appealing, especially if you don’t know how to perform that playstyle well. There’s a lot of pressure and stress put on them in that situation, and it just ain’t fun.
These groups will never really get along in parties. Never will, and it’s useless to try to change each other’s minds. It’s like a religious argument. You can debate until you’re blue in the face, but you likely won’t make a dent in the other person’s viewpoint.
A speed runner is never going to want to be forced to always have slow run through a dungeon that they’ve completed a million times due to some horrible mechanic that is just there to slow things down. The thought of that sickens us.
A more casual dungeon runner is not going to abandon their build, their character, or their views of how dungeons should be played just over a debate. They will probably end up joining the speed run crowd eventually if they stick with dungeons long enough, but early on, they just don’t enjoy that playstyle.
And to the more casual folks, the active posters in the forum are mostly speed runners. Coming here and yelling that utilizing techniques that maximize damage and shorten run times are exploits will not be well received. Find another outlet for your frustrations, because you’ll just get flamed and trolled if you post here. Feel free to, but that’s how it’s gonna end up. If you think that posting here will be seen by the devs and make a difference, think again. This subforum is a red-post desert. Sure, there are a few red threads on the first page, and they are all either a) months (well, probably at least a year by now) old, or b) just have a mod/CC saying “ok guys, stay on topic”. Devs don’t pay attention to this forum, posts here don’t matter “officially”.
Again, a guild with the same ideals would be a great place to look for a place to let off the steam. Just like we have headaches from “bad play-how-I-want pugs”, you guys have to deal with “elitist scumbags”, and it’s frustrating for everyone. But venting at the wrong crowd is not going to get you anywhere.
tl;dr we’re all here to have fun. We differ in our definitions of fun. No amount of complaining, arguing, or sarcasm (from either side) is going to change how anyone defines a fun dungeon run. Live and let live, find like-minded folks to play with.
And for the love of god, everyone please stop making this same post in this forum 4x/week.
