(edited by dlonie.6547)
What can I say, leading a double life is full of complications
Sigil of Paralyzation doesn’t seem to work on Lupi anymore
(edited by dlonie.6547)
No worries, that wasn’t really directed at you (even though I did say “you” >.<). Just pointing out what the actual outcome would be if OP’s idea actually went into effect
(edited by dlonie.6547)
Have it reward us more (and less than it does now for super-speedy runs) for runs that take longer (with a timer that keeps progress of when we actually “do” stuff). Standardize all dungeons to have approximately the same reward / time, no matter how meta or un-meta the teams are.
Soo… people who put more effort into dungeons should get less reward for it?
People often say that taking longer to kill a boss makes the berseker player work harder, due to needing to manage the sometimes lenthgy active defenses cooldowns they have. Killing a boss fast removes this from the equation. Killing a boss not so fast, well, based on some arguments I have read on these forums, is “harder” for berserker players. I’ll find an example of someone saying this when I have more time, currently working
So yeah, based SOLELY on some of the stuff I have read on the forums posted by some top tier dungeon enthusiasts, he just may be on to something.
There’s a definite problem, but this is a terrible solution. It literally punishes people for learning to play well, and rewards people for playing poorly, or AFKing.
Do you really want every dungeon run to end with the party standing around, waiting for a timer to run out so that they can maximize their reward? Does that sound fun?
The problem is that it’s not only possible, but incredibly simple to shut down and blow up bosses before they can even attack once, particularly in low level dungeons. Fixing the mechanics that allow this is what’s needed, not penalizing players who are able to beat content quickly.
Hopefully the breakerbar will improve the situation on that front.
(edited by dlonie.6547)
Yes it does, confused the heck out of me the other day as I went down and back up really quick, but apparently down long enough and perfectly synched with the teleport. So I was standing there with Brie at like 1% health everyone else gone, just some grubs around me, no buff, funky stuff. Eventually I realized it hit console and 3 hits later done >.<
Heh, I thought you did that on purpose Glad it happened though, having the terminal break with Brie at 1% is annoying, heh. Prolly could have rallied off Brie as easily as a grub in that case!
I have a feeling Nike is going to be very disappointed with Saturday’s announcement. Do you think they’re really going to put content that requires BiS + coordination + team comp + DPS/sustain balance into GW2?
These are going to be the GW2 version of raids. Odds are it’ll be doable by any comp in exotics of any stat combo. At best, I expect an Arah-style instance with improved mechanics/AI, not something that will “force” players into certain playstyles/gear/coordinated parties. I just don’t see it happening in this “everyone’s a winner \o/ here have a shiney!!!!!” game :-/
And FWIW, I’d be fine with that. I personally never really wanted “hardcore” raids — just new generations of dungeons with ever-improving mechanics and AI. Nothing against them, and I’d be happy to see them added, but I’d really be happy with just “more dungeons”, lol.
Attachments:
I don’t know why I bother with these conversations. Nothing but children going on about how they purposely spite people who want to play differently than them. Why anet doesn’t ban these trolls is beyond me.
To be honest man. I’m super annoyed at what Zalavaaris.5329 say, but he’s kind of right. He completly lack respect for the group that specifically ask for meta, but one guy in soldier or cleric if he do his job decently, won’t affect much the dungeon. People that run meta don’t have that high dps anyway. In pugs they don’t run food, utility, they rarely have perma 25 of vulnerability, they leave the icebow on the ground, don’t deep freeze properly, have poor rotation, leave the warrior alone so one banner is left behind, etc. Just by all that, the dps of the group will vary more than one guy using soldier. So in the end people don’t notice.
If i’m in a guild group and one of use is in soldier, now that will show. Or if one guy is in soldier and the 4 other guys are bad or have bad build, then it will show. But for the vast majority, it won’t make a difference. That’s why I never bother with asking zerker or meta.
Again, that’s a complete lack of respect for other players on his part, but he’s right that he doesn’t make his group suffer. They just never notice it.
I run zerk with guild groups, I run soldier or valk in pugs to prove a point. A lot of times the groups will say hey good run, or good time and at the end of the run. Then I’ll say oh hey I’ve been in soldiers the entire time. You know how people usually react? Wow…. a necro in soldier gear doing that well? What ever we will invite you to future groups anyway. Know what I do then? Run zerker
Thanks for understanding my point
It’s still spiteful and trolling. Basic manners, dude…
I would like to fully support dlonie (tbh since maha has disappeared I couldn’t find anyone I enjoyed so much to read each time) about how the dungeon community behaves sometimes.
Aww, thanks. I wasn’t sure if I’d end up getting flamed out of existence for my posts over the last few days, but it sounds like there are a lot of us who were sick of the treatment ‘outsiders’ would get here.
The rest of your post made some good points. It’s usually the same…maybe 10 (?) of us that actually ever post in here, and it’s pretty easy to feel like no one else is reading it. I’d like to see more lurkers start contributing to discussions, though it’s not always easy to jump into conversations here, especially if you don’t have a thick skin or follow the herd.
EU Player here and I’d understand said emoticon exactly as you would. But there’s one thing to keep in mind- it might be valid to say “we in the US”, but EU =/= EU. There are more or less big cultural differences between european countries, so I won’t claim to speak for every EU player. E. g. someone from portugal might interpret one of your sentences differently than someone from finland.
TBH, it’s not really fair for me to do the same about the US. Having lived in the rural south and the progressive northeast…let’s just say there are some very stark cultural differences between the two. I love New York
As we can see, some people just get annoyed or mad quite quickly. Is this something bad? Not necessary, it is in their personality. Add to this the fact that they are aware of this and apologizing and this is why I have faith in Us as a community.
And honestly, most of us have tolerated this sort of behavior for a long, long time. I don’t know if we’ll ever change it, though I’d love to see this subforum earn a friendly reputation. But I can’t completely blame the people who get hostile — most of us have been watching that stuff happen for years without stepping in and trying to bring any reason.
There are bingo threads, and then there are decent people trying to get answers or find help. I honestly don’t mind seeing bingo threads blow up — especially when the OPs initiate the hostility or are refusing to discuss things maturely. Gloves are off at that point!
But we do often to react to any non-meta post as a bingo thread, and that’s a piece of the problem that would be easy for us to fix. I have tried to step in and defend a poster when I see this happen, but a lot of times it just feels futile. The trick is to do it without trying to shame anyone who might have been lighting fuses, and just point out that an OP hadn’t really done anything wrong and might have just needed a bit of guidance. Otherwise it’s just throwing fuel on the fire (which I fully admit to doing at points in the healing guard thread… :P I’m not above anyone!).
scientifikittenerature.
Best kitten ever :P
During the course of change, I find a lot of topics have become quite disagreeable to me, but I’m not going miles to wage wars and fight for my own justice. However, if there are posts which respectfully deserve attention yet buried in tons of ill-willed, snarky, raging, trolling, passive-aggressive replies, I’ll come to their defense and empower them – for Lilith’s share, too.
Last but not least, I am far from a part of this dungeon and fractal community. I’m happy as an outlier, I speak for myself and for my casual friends who never ever post here and I wholeheartedly support people who come to learn.
I think just a handful of people doing this can help turn things around. It’s worth a shot, anyway. +1
Back in university, my prof would often include emoticons in his replies to my text/emails and sticky notes.
Similarly, I got in the habit of over-using smilies when I was an online tutor during undergrad. Having to constantly tell people over chat that they’re doing something wrong….one learns to do everything they can to soften the blow, else you end up wasting a lot of time waiting for them to fix up their pride and start paying attention again. Apparently I’d just be kittening people off by doing that if they were from elsewhere in the world, lol.
I live in Norway, and the fact that you experience emoticons in a complete other way does make sense to me. I’ve heard from several Americans living in Norway how unwelcoming and unsocial we can seem. Prime example is people sitting on the bus, people will go out of their way to not have to sit with a complete stranger and having to engage in a conversation.
I honestly think it might derive from the law of jante which is still situated in Norway after quite a long time.
Good stuff! This kind of information is always interesting. I’d not heard of the law of Jante before, and it sounds quite soul-crushing, tbh. The tone of the wikipedia article made it sound like most Norwegians dislike the concept, and it reminds me of some of the harsher socialist ideologies. I can see how that would tint a culture’s interpretations of social interactions compared to a more individualistic community.
As for sitting on the bus, I dislike social interactions with strangers in general, though there are people over here who feel the need to make small talk with everyone they meet. There’s a mix over here of outgoing people who want to talk to everyone, and the rest of us who wish they’d just leave us alone, heh.
I’m german, I’m not gonna claim generalizations about my people. What I will say is that we/I generally enjoy more direct and blunt forms of communication, and as such, to give my take on the topic we all keep talking about, an in my eyes (read this) passive aggressive sentence full with falsehood and ending in a wink might be considered a taunt.
I answered in bluntness, which may likely have been unappropriate, but that’s how we roll, you know.
Reminds me of a german chemist I knew. He told me a story about going through a checkout line at a store in the US and being a little freaked out by the cashier asking “How are you today?”. While we brush these off as meaningless small talk (we just say “fine” and that’s the end of it — you never actually give a real answer in these situations) he felt it was intrusive for a stranger to ask about something personal like that. Unexpected things happen when cultures collide
For the love of Melandru, I really need to stop with these walls of text >.<
It’s probably a cultural issue, I’m also used to winking implying sarcastic superiority. In general I despise the emoticons being used at all because they are extremely ambiguous to the situation.
Interesting. It means the exact opposite here, and in this case I (in the US) took it more as “what I just said could be taken harshly with the wrong tone, but I mean it kindly, friend.”
Mind if I ask where you’re at? I think you’re EU, are winks considered snarky to most of Europe? These sorts of differences fascinate me….and they’re really, really useful to understand!
Wow, dlonie, you are so brave! Hats off to you, but again please let the matter rest.
Well, I’m not trying to revive the old issue, I’m just getting tired of seeing the hostile gut-reaction towards non-meta players in this forum and wanted to say something about it
(friendly wink :P). Since one of the points of this thread was about improving this community’s reputation, it seemed a good place to start the discussion.
I really think we should put down the torches a little bit and even if we are provoked, we should fully try at least, to ignore. Ignoring is the best weapon IMO.
Nicely put I’d add that a good way to defuse these sorts of situations (on the forums and in real life) is to stop when you feel offended, and look at what really happened and if the offense is justified. In this case, it seems some cultural differences played a role, along with a mob mentality about 3 posts being “too many”. But stepping back and re-evaluating things from a neutral standpoint to see the other side’s real message…well, there’s really not much to get offended by. As Jerus pointed out (correctly, from my interpretations of Skady’s comments), some of the things that were causing offense were intended as complements, but at that point, she’d already been cast as an attention-seeking baddy here to grief us. What I got out of those statements was “you’re an awesome player if you can trio FotM 50 in full zerk.”
Perhaps the problematic part is “attacking other people”
Lots of people don’t have a thick skin. They aren’t looking forward to “getting attacked”, no matter how justified it is. They won’t bother staying to defend themselves. They just leave and we are left with a small community which doesn’t get dungeon updates for 2 years.
Very, very true.
Maybe it’s person bias, but I’d love to see more discussion on helping new players and groups get into this content. “here is a way to make it easy” “here is a way that’s not optimal, but will make it possible to have a smooth consistent easy run”. Instead we berate that type of play.
I find it completely illogical when I see claims of taking offense to quotes of “it takes an elite group of Sesshi level players to run zerk more efficiently” in a negative way. That’s literally a compliment if you can run full zerk more efficiently. There’s no reason to combat such a statement, “well my group can do it” deserves nothing but a /bow in acknowledgement of your success as a player. There’s nothing negative there.
There’s a lot in your post that was worth pointing out, but I’ve really got nothing to add. Just wanted to give you some kudos Very well put, you wonderful drunk kitten. We need to run again sometime, if I ever log in xD
I can hang in a zerk group, I’ll see many (including members of this community) eat a death before I do.
…and thanks for not calling me out by name :P
I guess i’ll apologize if I’ve hurt anyone’s feelings in my (partially drunk) rant.
And I also want to apologize to Skady for possibly misinterpretating her good intentions and talking down on her for it
It takes a lot of balls to come out and say something like this. You’ve earned quite a bit of respect with that. Kudos.
Again getting a bit ranty (nothing special there!
Jerus Best Rants NA All Time Number 1 A-OK. I enjoyed that one
Anyway I’m a believer that it’s impossible to maintain mature discussion in any public forum. It’s inevitable for hive-minds to form and bury any form of real debate. This forum probably isn’t any better or worse than most other forums/sub-forums in regards to that; it’s just how things work.
Heh. Sad but true.
Ok, finished my tea, wall of text complete, now time for …. work. Sigh. kittening adulthood. I never asked for this. :P