Guild Wars 2

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Lauren is getting my +1 for life as an Anet employee. We dont even know if she was fired for standing up for us

Nah, she’s still there: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamieniecki

She still pops into that thread from time to time. Her posts have been refreshing, for sure!

Jerus.4350:

We even have a QA employee shrugging their shoulder stating they’re trying… and what is our response? “thank you but please don’t get yourself fired” I mean holy hell, we’re worried she’s going to be fired for simply talking to us. What absurd stuff is that.

Hell, she flat out said that if she told us what was going on with the issue she’d lose her job. Just for saying “We meant to do it” or “It was a bug”.

ArenaNet folks who may be following along, please ask yourselves:

- Does that sound healthy to you?
- Would you, as a player, have much faith in seeing things improve when communication is still so obviously broken after years of this happening?

The list of dungeon bugs is long and they’re rarely fixed. Most of those issues have existed since launch. And you guys can’t even talk about the current state of existing content without fearing for your jobs.

Like Jerus, I hate being this pessimistic over the future of this game I love so much. But considering the above, it’s hard to have hope for Raids when we’ve seen such a systematic lack of concern for instanced PvE ongoing years.

And if these topic “aren’t relevant” to the future of instanced PvE in this game, please let me know — what would be?

If they want to get me hyped it’d start with addressing these policies. It’d start with simply answering that Lupi question. It’d start with communication.

+1
I know there are a lot of devs who, like Lauren, really want to bring us into the loop and feed our passion for the game by keeping us informed about the basics. I sincerely hope that someday they are able to.

Iris Ng.9845:

Jerus.4350:

dlonie.6547:

NikeEU.7690:

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

I apparently missed the woe-is-me posts. What are you referring to? Were some posts deleted?

Shhh, he’s trying to be cool.

Apparently I also happen to see a lot of people are forming an angry mob to attack a poor dev who just wants to open a communication. He’s probably passionate enough to try to appease the crowd but I doubt it he would have been still excited to talk about what he has been working on. If anything, I love to hear tidbits about the new content. I want to be hyped up, I want something to look forward to. I don’t want all this excitement to get buried in aggressive argument loop about some age-old contents that are obviously informed to be of low priorities. Stop, please! Do all of you seriously religiously play 26 paths of dungeons and 4 fractal dailies every day and keep doing so until after HoT releases? Think again. What do you really look forward to? Something new to play or someone (new) to blame because you don’t have anything else better to do.

Again, I want to see more red posts. I want to see more positive discussion that ends in a happy note. I want to see less accusation, less knee-jerk reactions and insults (similar to this one - Holy batman, it’s so immature that it’s painful to read!). Even if I don’t have any meaningful things to post, I want to take comfort in reading other posters’ opinions. Please, please, it’s my selfish request to ask you guys as a posting community in this sub-forum to make my wish happen.

tl;dr – less salt, more cookie.

Disclaimer: Posters are not obligated to act maturely and talk nice per requests of some no-body.

Thanks Iris. I appreciate your views and understand them. I totally agree — jumping on / attacking / insulting devs is not the way respond. I know I let some anger and frustration out last night, but I was careful to refrain from insults and attacks. Rather, my goal was to provide feedback:

The lack of support and restrictive policies that prevent ArenaNet employees from, for example, even addressing changes that are missing from the patch notes is a significant problem. It fosters the “ArenaNet is out of touch with its players” and “ArenaNet doesn’t care about maintaining its content” perceptions. We hear them say “We are passionate about this game and want to provide a quality experience” while completely ignoring existing issues with content.

To me, the “obviously low-priority” bug(?) with Lupi’s auto attack isn’t even a major issue in and of itself — it just exemplifies this problem so well. I honestly find the fact that they are unable to clarify whether or not a change was intended as unacceptable. It’s basic support, and refusing it projects a very negative image of ArenaNet as a company — not to mention that it takes away from the hype of the new content that is coming.

What I see in this thread is not hostile attacks and insults, but rather a group of players who are passionate about this game saying “These are our concerns.” We’ve seen repeated problems in the past regarding content production, maintenance, and support, and we don’t want to see history repeat itself with Raids.

While I can see how you and Nike might reach a different conclusion, concerned feedback is very different from insults, attacks, and “QQ woe-is-me pity parties”, even when expressed with frustration. Reviewing the thread, I can’t find any posts that strike me as attacks or “pity-parties”. I see concerned players warning ArenaNet that we don’t have much patience left to put up with “more of the same”, and that their support philosophies need to change if they truly want Raids to succeed. I don’t see anything unreasonable about that — it’s relevant feedback that they should take into account as they plan the future of the game.

NikeEU.7690:

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

I apparently missed the woe-is-me posts. What are you referring to? Were some posts deleted?

Taku.6352:

You don’t need to have an extra set. Just bank the ones you use normally, create a char so it takes the account snapshot, take the armor pieces back.

Assuming it’s sinister, or you have the mats around to change it during the BWE. It’s not perfect, but it’s something at least

Wethospu.6437:

dlonie.6547:

He’s saying that, for some reason, adding new stats to the available beta gearsets is more complicated than adding some item IDs to a JSON file somewhere, and what’s more, the process is apparently convoluted enough that they won’t be able to do it in the remaining days before the beta.

It’s probably easy to add. It’s just that at some point you stop the development.

True, but it’s their choice whether to consider the omission of the meta condition gear stat from the default choice as a “bug that needs fixing” or a “nice to have feature request”, and if the change is as simple as it should be, they could still patch it in the meantime. If I were in their shoes, I’d want players to be able to test hard content in meta gear, since that’s what they’ll be using when it’s live.

But I’m sure there are other priorities right now, and this does have a work around (assuming you have an extra full set of ascended gear laying around :P). Good on them for sharing this ahead of time so we can prepare, rather than just surprising us come beta time.

eekzie.5640:

Is time limit also the reason there’s so few trinket stats available?
Or am I misreading what you’re saying?

He’s saying that, for some reason, adding new stats to the available beta gearsets is more complicated than adding some item IDs to a JSON file somewhere, and what’s more, the process is apparently convoluted enough that they won’t be able to do it in the remaining days before the beta.

The heads-up is appreciated, Chris — sorry you drew the short straw and had to be the one to come tell us :P

Cameron Rich.3905:

We’re definitely serious about raids. It’s something that players have wanted (including myself) for a long time, and we’re hoping to deliver a truly special experience.

Glad to hear it. I hope they meet expectations — not just expectations of challenge, but of support and release frequency as well. Make them challenging, but keep ’em coming, too.

I’m here to stay. Not leaving anytime… soon™.

Well played :-P

tips hat

Rising Dusk.2408:

dlonie.6547:

What would they have lost by just saying on day one “That’s not right, we’ll fix that once things settle down with HoT” or “Yep, that’s the way we want it. Stock up on energy sigils.”

Sorry to stir it up!

No worries, you’re certainly not at fault for any of this!

I presume the only reason they haven’t spoken publicly about it is because they aren’t sure whether they like it better this way or not and want to be able to change their mind about it down the road without hearing “Omg you broke a promise!” from the community. The change was for sure intended, but I have no clue whether it was seen as a bug fix, an exploit fix, an experiment, or what. Hopefully we’ll find out some day soon.

All I’m saying is that, for starters, they could just freakin’ say that. “The change was for sure intended”…you, as a specialist, may be privy to some information that the rest of us don’t have, but here’s what the rest of us know:

- A significant change in Lupi’s behavior came with a patch that drastically increased the difficulty of fighting him in small groups/solo.
- This change was not mentioned in the patch notes.
- A bug report was filed, simply asking ArenaNet to acknowledge the change, and clarify whether it was a intended change that missed the patch notes, or a bug that slipped in with some other backend changes.
- That simple question has still not been answered six months later.
- The only “official” response from any ArenaNet employees on the subject is from a QA lead who is clearly also upset with the lack of reply, and can only say “I wish I could tell you more, but I’d lose my job if I tried to keep you guys in the loop on this.”

And that’s it. That’s all we see. The really sad thing is, that’s more than we’ve seen for other similar problems in the past (e.g. Alphard’s bug — that never even got acknowledged).

I’ve heard the “afraid of making broken promises” line in their defense for years. It’s bull. We’re not even asking for any promises, just trying to get them to acknowledge the issue and clarify whether or not it was an intended change.

And they won’t.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Kitty.1502:

what about fractals? dungeons? guild missions?

Probably later on

…riiiiiiiiiight. Dunno about you, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

Gah. They’ve dug themselves into such a deep hole. Everyone who hasn’t just stopped playing is bitter af. Glad to see another wave of token redposts…On the chance that this isn’t just a temporary, hollow gesture like the last few times we’ve seen this happen, it might just help them get out of that pit.

I can still remember when I saw my first pre-patch redpost hype and actually bought into it, thinking things might change. Although it was over a year ago, I still remember it as though it was yesterday….

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

if we ever permanently stop working on a particular area of the game, we will tell you all.

:’-)

Good times.

And what a coincidence, today is the two year anniversary of the last dungeon content update!

What an eventful week. I’m sure you can imagine how hyped I am for raids…

Rising Dusk.2408:

Jerus.4350:

Any chance we’ll see an answer to the Lupi question? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Bug-Lupicus-Necrid-Bolt-hits-at-melee/page/5

For reference, I’ve been talking to a developer via PM about this for months. She promises to update me when/if they get the authorization to talk about it.

That is such a horsekitten approach to handling these things. For kitten’s sake, what do they hope to accomplish by letting issues go unacknowledged instead of just letting their players know that they actually care about their game?

What would they have lost by just saying on day one “That’s not right, we’ll fix that once things settle down with HoT” or “Yep, that’s the way we want it. Stock up on energy sigils.”

It makes absolutely zero sense. Why put out the message “we don’t really even care about maintaining this content at all, to the point that we won’t even acknowledge the issue”?

Bah. I don’t really even care about the bug/change/whatever-the-kitten-it-is. I’d just like to see them give a flying kitten.

kitten.

Cameron Rich.3905:

We’ve spent a lot of time and poured a lot of love into this content, and simply cannot wait for players to get their hands on it.

I believe this, and that’s why I’m giving HoT a shot. As others have mentioned, though, it’s hard to have faith that the content won’t be left to rot shortly after release. All the developer passion in the world won’t matter if the higher-ups decide to axe the content.

Please tell your bosses to take instanced PvE seriously this time around. I’d like to be able to tell friends that this game is worth getting invested in again.

Thanks for stopping by, Cameron, hopefully you’ll stick around a bit. It’d be great if a redpost here wasn’t such a rare occasion.

Purple Miku.7032:

dlonie.6547:

They’ll be hard at release, I’m sure. The real questions is: will they still be difficult after 3 years of nerfs’n’neglect?

Pretty soon the raid bosses will start bubbling the walls, teleporting into them and going invisible for several seconds and teleport all the way to Singapore and back every time you move when they’re casting their shadowstep/teleport animations.

Then they will never get fixed or addressed, ever.

And we’ll ask, “Hey did you guys know this started happening? It looks like a bug, maybe you could check on it?”

And they’ll never even bother answering. After all, they have to get HoT ready for China, yanno?

After all, what’s more important:

a) having a game that’s fun, fresh, maintained, and supported, or
b) having a game that’s able to be sold to a wider market?

They’ll be hard at release, I’m sure. The real questions is: will they still be difficult after 3 years of nerfs’n’neglect?

SlyDevil.3952:

Can you be more descriptive of the bug/patch/fix/thing you are encountering?

Seraph Path: Fixed an issue that prevented Taylor and her turrets from becoming hostile.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-September-29-2015/first#post5543811

Agreed — must have been an intern, since it made it to the patch notes!

tl;dr OS Lupi takes much skill. You have to, like, spend 5 minutes soloing through phase 1, kiting him around and stuff. It’s not a cheap tactic at all, but a challenging display of skill.

Happy 6-month anniversary, Lupi-melee-projectile-bug-report!

Here’s to many more years! raises glass

Tomorrow is the 6 month anniversary of this bug report.

Let’s celebrate half a year of dodging simple questions!

Any updates on the “We-meant-to-do-it or It-was-unintentional” front?

If they decide to “stop working on an area of the game”, they will “let us know”.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Very-disappointing-news-for-you-guys

Grab some cocoa and skim the red posts. Enjoy.

I guess those words don’t mean what I thought they meant, but yes, dungeons are dead, and have been for a while.

1) Install X-Mouse Button Control
2) Move vendor window so confirmation “Ok” button aligns with the item you want to buy.
3) Remap scroll events to left click with XMBC
4) Scroll away.

Not a real fix, but it really, really does make it easier. And seeing as how Bulk Buy/Use All options have been requested for years, it’s the only solution we’re likely to see.

EcoRI.9273:

My DPS on my Engie is total kitten compared to my DPS on my Thief because I am mediocre on Engie.

What? How hard is it to play a DPS engi? It’s the easiest rotation in the world:

FT1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

Sick deeps bro.

Is there an archive of the DPS calcs as they’ve changed from patch to patch? DnT forums maybe?

It’d be quite interesting to see all classes’ DPS plotted together over time, or even just a histogram of the current numbers. It’d be cool to see a visual representation showing how big some of the gaps are.

Bloody.2089:

To topic again, I showed that it is possible to do the dungeons on their level-cap and that is a fact. Btw I always joined “fun grps” and got kicked.

It always has been — that’s how we did them in the first place eons ago when the content was new :-P

If I were you, I’d stick with low-manning with friends. PUGS is Swedish for AIDS (fact), and this game is a lot more enjoyable when you don’t play the dingleberry lottery and avoid those obnoxious pieces of poo.

Taku.6352:

Lmao! Anet likes rangers so much that they won’t even give a PoI episode for Druid.

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/644904491263881216

The base class is in such a good spot, they probably figure the spec won’t need much testing. Drop a guard staff on a ranger, have a smoke, and call it a day. Problem?

Ryn.6459:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Leagues-1/first#post5511329
PVE is doomed…oh wait! We already knew that.

“PvP has been steadily growing.” Yeah, no kitten….what else are people going to do when PvE is stale as kitten?

Oh right. Stop playing.

But yeah, totally. Keep patting yourselves on the back for “growing” the PvP playerbase by making PvE unbearable. gg.

NikeEU.7690:

Lets keep the dungeon forum pity party train going.

Choo-choooooooooooooo!!!

But seriously, I think we’re past the point of pity. It’s more “point and laugh” these days.

And if you think that was crazy, just WAIT for PART 2!!! Hahahaha!! (speaking of, did Nemibro ever finish making whatever that point he was trying to make was?)

We need more devs like you. Thanks for the very detailed post.

Good stuff.

Jerus.4350:

Kenaron.3654:

There are bosses where I feel that any trick you can do that makes it easier is 100% justified; but really mossman isn’t like that.

What bosses are those that you feel it’s justified?

Vahid.

kitten Vahid.

Tashir.8736:

Can someone tell me if pulling Mossman underwater is something forbiden to do on fractals?

Single target cleaves…SQ poison spray…

That’s something special right there.

SlyDevil.3952:

Kittens?

Nope, kittens.

AFAIK, they haven’t said anything about not resetting fractal levels again with HoT. Since they’re revamping the progression system and because they’re ANet, progress resets are still on the table.

So I’d hold off on grinding your PR up until we hear more.

(Unless I missed something, but I don’t recall hearing anything “official” on the subject.)

Sad thing about that Druid thread is that by the end, there is actually some good discussion and the OP is providing some very good (albeit a tad snarky) feedback…

…and they locked it.

Beautifully done, though.

Purple Miku.7032:

Found this gem in general discussion:

thefinnster.7105:

clearly its a question as i want to see what other players think just coz i have my own opinion dosent change the fact that a question was asked or mebey you missed the question mark coz you don’t understand gramer.

L0l

To be fair, he was arguing with Yargesh.

His brain had probably melted.

I enjoyed it

GragorR.9768:

this might be too close to reality to be considered adequately comical. Maybe it hit too close to home?

All is vain.

You know it’s early when you 4-man CoE path 1 and try to 1-4 the golem spawns.

Agemnon.4608:

More confirmation of the fractals’ fundamental flaws: no one wants to run low level fractals and you’re locked out of the higher ones through agony. They need to remove the agony mechanic and the fractal level tiers so a new person can say do level 50 and get level 50 rewards without being a burden to the team. Bosses also have way too much HP, so you can all know what to do but the problem with giving too much HP to bosses is it increases the chances of going wrong since the fight lasts longer. Then you have adds with ludicrously long knockdowns. For comparison a so-called thief “elite” basilisk venom only stuns for one second and has a very long cool down…and it doesn’t work on champions or legendaries, another problem in and of itself because it ensures the high HP two shotting cheapo remains mobile. There needs to be a trait for shadow refuge to shield against all incoming AoEs since they come after the shadow refuge. This would ensure a clean rez with fewer complications and may even justify it’s very long cool down.

Let’s see how tough fractals would be without gimmicky nonsense (like the Dredge switches or needing to lure a certain boss into an electro field), heavy HP sinks, artificial gating via agony, and crowd control immunities.

Not much of an LFG/pug story…If you’re trying to give feedback on fractal design, you might want to make a separate thread.

The last boss is one of my favorite encounters in the game. Like seriously, I’d run that path far, far more often if it were reliable. Unfortunately, when you finally manage to get a group together for it, it usually bugs out one way or another. The last 3-4 times I’ve attempted it it’s bugged, and I just don’t even bother trying anymore.

Shame.

Having the NPC die also seems to break it. Didn’t know about the champion/elite thing. If I ever get feel like giving it another shot I’ll keep an eye on that.

Lupi looks faceroll for dd. With SoA that’s 5 dodges in a row…..

inb4 “terrain exploits” and “Korga is linecasting his charge into the wall”

rolls eyes

Yes, there are meta tryhards (as well as anti-meta tryhards….). The game would be better without them.

nacario.9417:

Meaning he didnt say it was all about the DPS, which the zerk meta is all about.

Please educate yourself:

http://gw2dungeons.net/Meta

There is more to the meta than DPS. DPS is quite often sacrificed for utility in meta groups.

Used WWA to evade through boss instead of away from him.

Reported for exploits.

Apparently I can’t create a guild while repping another. Standing down from my current guild enabled the button.

Sorry for the noise.

Nope, this is my first toon from long, long ago

Maybe this is posted somewhere, but the first few pages of this forum didn’t show anything, nor did google, and I don’t see it on the main site either, but…

The “Create Guild” button is locked on my account. I’m only a member of 3 guilds, and I was going to start a bank guild. Should work, right?

Is it locked for the BWE or something?

SlyDevil.3952:

dlonie.6547:

Element Two.7316:

If you think any of that is exclusive to that boss then you’re not playing the same game as us.

But it is! Name one other boss that is near a wall, rock, pole, fence, or has a large hitbox. Betcha can’t.

Crusher/hunter, the second boss of arah p3, lupi and the wraithlord. kitten that’s a whole path. Wait wait, that’s like, one dungeon path right? Arah p4, balthazar, lyssa, lupi(large hitbox, whatevs), dwayna, bloodstone, one boss wasn’t. Wait, that’s just arah right? Coe all start mobs. Alpha if you want, the golem if you want(not recommended, boons and stuff), the next alpha, bjarl for p1, the last alpha. That’s 2 boss on p2/3 that aren’t faster on a wall. AC? spider queen, kholer, last bosses. CM?? PLEASE CM SAVE ME??? barn boss, victoria, frost, thief dude in p2 who is leashed to the other 4 elites in the salon, the OP symbol guardian outside starts with a B, Tremaine, the optional boss, seamus, the other grenade boss, vallog. kitten, only 1 boss wasn’t on a wall there.

Edit: kitten dlonie you filthy elitist

lel. Thanks for helping make the point, though.

Element Two.7316:

If you think any of that is exclusive to that boss then you’re not playing the same game as us.

But it is! Name one other boss that is near a wall, rock, pole, fence, or has a large hitbox. Betcha can’t.

Element Two.7316:

this is like trying to argue with a flat-earther

Love the analogy. Spot on.

So to summarize your arguments:

- Miku is using a evasive skill that necros don’t have, and is aware that you can’t move through solid geometry. Exploits!
- You (nemesis) cba to verify his DPS, even though he spelled out how it’s calculated. Thus, those numbers can’t be right.
- Miku went into detail about things that were in his favor. Thus he’s deluding people intentionally by misrepresenting the conditions of the fight.
- He had might during the fight, thus being in a group wouldn’t matter. EA, banners, vuln don’t really affect DPS, anyway, right?
- WWA is the sole reason his DPS was 13k and not “3-6k”.

Did I miss anything?

I’m frankly amazed anyone listens to you.