Guild Wars 2

IrisTheCasual.3742:

the ability to summon challenging five-person bosses with unique loot tables

This sounded really promising, until I remembered that these “challenging five person” bosses will most likely be in the open world and end up on the route of a zergtrain.

More “run in circles with 60 other players mashing 1 to ‘earn’ shineys” content confirmed?

How’s the “good fight” going? Anything new to report?

This is a known issue that has been around since the fractal was released.

I wouldn’t hold my breath on a fix, and there’s really no way to avoid it other than to say “kitten this unmaintained POS game that has fallen so, so far since launch” and stop playing.

Incidentally, that workaround also applies to all of the bugs in the game.

lol, ninja exploit scrub. No XP for me

Looks like you fine folks have to endure my presence a tad longer.

I agree with OP. Perhaps ANet could refer to this resource to help them with the issue.

l2fotm pls iris kthxbai

deSade.9437:

Someday, this month, I got told it’ll rain.
There, I’m a prophet too.

I do believe that the rumor I heard is true, against all odds It’s getting stopped at the “ANet working on instanced content? That can’t be right!” filter in my brain, but this guy’s info is reliable enough to push it through :P

In any case, we’ll find out pretty soon.

Weth, after the cap is 100, 1-50 may be considered “starter levels,” depends on what they end up doing

I have a friend, who’s a friend of a friend, who’s a friend of a friend of someone who must know something about GW2 development, because every time this guy tells me something, it ends up being correct.

I still don’t buy this 100%, but considering the source, I won’t rule it out…Raid (or at least GW2's version of them) announcement at Gamescom, and Marrionette fractal in the works. Treat it as rumor for now, but keep an eye out.

The first one is rather amusing considering what happened there last time. I hope they include crafting and are zergable.

Re: fractal changes, there is a lot of good stuff in there. A lot of trivial things to implement that greatly improve QoL for players: Less RNG in fractals, relics for skins, higher levels, etc. Glad to see them, but too little too late unless they add a lot of new fractal instances. These things should have gone in a loooong time ago, and it really wouldn’t have been that much effort, and what we really need is (lots of) new instanced content, not just new rewards for rerunning the same ol’ kitten. But we know how they prioritize things….

They also mentioned in the article that they’ll be nerfing fractals to “make them more accessible”. Don’t be too surprised when post-HoT level 100 isn’t that much harder than current level 50.

How can you kill what is already dead?

10/10 + 15 charr.

Please tell me that the tooltip on http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/ for Flanking Strikes is wrong.

If they seriously put a stunbreak in a proc-on-hit trait…

O.o

Take a read through them instead of just reading that one snippet. There are a lot more substantial complaints other than “we have to do our jobs!” in there….

- “Bad dynamic with directors that tend to lead to hostile interactions instead of approachable management.”
- “Sink or swim environment that has led to a lot of turnover.”
- “Bad environment within the programming department, with a standoffish and isolated tools team, a core engine team disconnected from reality, and gameplay programmers often left without support.”
- “Fragile and convoluted codebase that makes it difficult to work in at times.” (Lupi autoattack anyone?)
- “IT department seems overloaded and undertrained to support a game team.”
- "The unfortunate part of working at ArenaNet really came after Guild Wars 2 shipped. The company folded into a lot of smaller teams, but refused to try to establish any kind of hierarchy. This led to a lot of “fake” titles, confusion, and jostling for position. Seniors felt undervalued & unable to advance to a leadership position, intermediates felt confused about how to develop their careers. Only juniors really benefited from an environment that emphasized generalist work."
- “Shifting schedules & trying to adapt management led to weird positions where ‘coordinators’ could be from an department, so suddenly a senior designer might find themselves answering to an animator, or a prop artist to a programmer, and so on.”
- “If you’re not an artist at ArenaNet, it is understood that your department is not the one in charge. I found many art assets were not even open for discussion, let alone debate, even when the community reaction against such was super negative.”
- “Don’t get me wrong, ArenaNet has some of the best artists there that I’ve ever worked with, but the upper management has made the decisions of the art leads unimpeachable & very inflexible when it comes to adapting to feedback.”
- “One thing I found out after the fact of working at ANet is that the salaries are below industry standard by a lot, even to the point when someone I knew outside the company called it a ‘local joke.’”
- “ArenaNet has become a toxic environment where people are worked to their breaking points and then told to keep working. The number one problem that seems to be plaguing ArenaNet is burn out and fatigue. People are often asked to work 10 to 12 hours a day and often to come in over the weekends.”
- “Another factor leading to the constant burn out and fatigue is re-scoping of the releases. Teams will work for weeks and months on content for releases only to have everything change a month before the content is launched. This requires the teams to redo a majority of the work for the release while still trying to meet the original deadline.”
- “ArenaNet has also become a political cesspool. People are being locked into positions not because of a lack of skill or talent, but because they don’t suck up to the right people. I have seen employee’s with glowing recommendations from their teams get passed over for employee’s who can barely do their job because of who they were friends with at the company. The people who actually do the work are too valuable to let them advance, but then the incompetent people make all the business decisions. Management is often ready to scapegoat their people as well. They make all the decisions, but take none of the blame when things go wrong.”
- “The good people are leaving the company. The politics and overworked environment have caused quite a few people to leave. Almost everyone who helped make Guild Wars and helped launch Guild Wars 2 are gone. You now have a company that trusts analytics and data over people’s intuition or that listened to their community.”
- “People feel like their complaints are not being heard and many feel frustrated in their lot at the company.” We know that story, don’t we?
- “Unless you are an Artist or a Programmer expect to be paid about 30% less than any other studio in the area.”

Yikes. I’ve experienced some of these sorts of issues first hand, and it’s not going to build a motivated team. It’s how you push away your talent. Life’s too short to deal with that sort of nonsense, and people who know their worth won’t stay in such an environment.

Oh well. Maybe they’ll get their ducks in a row after HoT, but it sounds like they’re just really having a problem transitioning from a small studio to a large one. If as many people have left as it sounds like they have, it’ll be tough to recover.

Ooh, new glassdoor reviews. Let’s see how the teams are feeling in the leadup to HoT? Obviously with a grain of salt, since glassdoor is glassdoor.

grabs coffee

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-ArenaNet-RVW7272581.htm
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-ArenaNet-RVW6762630.htm
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-ArenaNet-RVW6490629.htm
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-ArenaNet-RVW5938854.htm (“promotion-focused, monetization-driven attitude of upper management”, lel)
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-ArenaNet-RVW5319080.htm

Not a whole lot of positive in the recent ones, mostly just the same issues we’ve been hearing about for years now :-/ I was hoping they’d turn that ship around.

Eww, I really hope there’s more to that story than meets the eye. Hopefully Chris will pop on and share the other side of it.

Oh and…

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Tank Revenant won’t be possible if things don’t change.

Good thing that things can change.

Trinity confirmed!

Josh XT.6053:

They don’t care lol. It isn’t the gem store or PVE, so it isn’t important.

These days it’s HoT or nothing at this point — PvE doesn’t even get that much love, especially the instanced stuff:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Bug-Lupicus-Necrid-Bolt-hits-at-melee

tldr: 4 months ago there was a significant change in behavior on a favorite dungeon boss (Lupi from Arah) that wasn’t mentioned in the patch notes. We’re just trying to find out if the change was intentional or an unintended bug.

Four months later, they still haven’t even answered that simple question. Absolutely appalling. Check out this redpost in particular — even the QA lead is fed up with the company’s refusal to provide basic support for their product.

Their inability refusal to address simple matters like this just makes me wonder if HoT is going to be as broken and unsupported as the vanilla game. Will they just push it out and watch it die? All signs point to yes.

So, should we just give up on receiving any support for this issue?

It’s been four months and we still haven’t even gotten a “yes, we meant to do that” or a “oops, that wasn’t supposed to change.” Is that too much to ask for a change that wasn’t listed in the patch notes?

We get that this isn’t high priority with HoT prep, but it’d be great to see some basic support for the current content that your customers can actually access.

Tarasicodissa.7084:

^This. Agreed on pretty much everything. Not sure if it’s technically possible, but it would surely be a nice thing to have.

Doesn’t really matter.

Technical feasibility has nothing to do with whether or not dungeon-related issues get addressed in this game.

I guess while they were busy locking necro’d threads the mods somehow missed the thread with the title “Stupid meta bullies”. Doesn’t that alone violate a few points on the ol’ CoC?

Eh. Priorities.

y u so srs hurrr

Nope.

That clears a lot up, actually, gabbo! Someone is trying to get dungeon changes into the patch notes, but they’re getting taken out by someone higher up. Nice.

thrag.9740:

Hey guys,the necro threads got me thinking. Did dungeons use to actually be a lot harder? Like did anet change them to make them easier? Or was it that people learned how to insanely buff dps (banners/fury/might/vuln/spotter/bow etc)?

These necro threads make it sound like a completely different game. I’ve only been playing gw2 for a year.

Some of it was L2P issues, but the dungeons were gradually nerfed for the first year or so after launch as folks complained (“Why is this challenging? I don’t play games for challenge, I just want shineys!! QQ”).

Then two big nerfs happened that especially affected non-80 dungeons: NPE removed traits from lower level toons, so they “rebalanced” low level dungeons to be faceroll, and the crit dmg —> ferocity change also made them easier. Fights that now last 5 seconds used to be much longer.

But IIRC, the CoF endboss mentioned in that red post was nerfed in response to complaints.

I had a bit of hope when they announced that downscaling would be fixed, but honestly I haven’t really noticed a difference in the few runs I’ve been on.

Bahaha, I see now, sly — I didn’t pick up on that. Nice pun.

+1 for leaving when that nonsense came up

http://www.pcgamer.com/bethesda-releases-uncut-fallout-4-gameplay-exploration-video/

Talyn.3295:

dlonie.6547:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Guys at this point you’re not even trying to make it look legit anymore. 4 red posts on top? Yeah no, never.

Not true! It does happen!

…and this is how :-)

Look at it this way: We’re just pretending that there’s support for dungeons from the company that made them. Pretending is fun!! \(^_^)/

Feels good, yeah?

You also put your master plan in the general discussion thread. So now we are all onto you :P

Well, yeah, I was recruiting :P

After reading the first few posts of this thread….I’d rather like to see the dungeons like that again. They intended for them to be so much more difficult than they are today…

Too bad the “dungeon revamp” started and stopped at AC. I wonder what happened internally when they silently abandoned that effort. All I can think of is that the “Living Story” ate all of the dev hours?

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Guys at this point you’re not even trying to make it look legit anymore. 4 red posts on top? Yeah no, never.

Not true! It does happen!

…and this is how :-)

Look at it this way: We’re just pretending that there’s support for dungeons from the company that made them. Pretending is fun!! \(^_^)/

Feels good, yeah?

Yeah, I’m good. It was funny to me, but I’m not trying to upset anyone (or have what happened to WvW happen here), so no more salt on the wounds from me.

The point was made, no need to beat this horse anymore — we all know it died a long time ago. Sorry for being depressing, I’ll knock it off <3

Awww.

I’ll stop then, don’t want that here :-(

That’s a dumb rule pouts There were so many other good ones left to bump.

Tarasicodissa.7084:

Stop this madness for god’s sake! This one isn’t even red!

But this one is!

Also relevant to other thread. Here’s the dev’s quote:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

We’re looking into tech solutions for displaying the paths you have run, but our resources are pooled more heavily in fixing bugs, exploits, and other issues before features like this will be worked on.

As a note though, I have brought this very thing up many times. I’d like to see a way for it to work with our achievement system without making a massive slew of achievements that clutter up that UI with even more information.

Also:

Ethics.4519:

Can we just necro all the dev threads so the whole front page contains dev posts?

History is cyclical.

lololol

hey, I didn’t even do it :P

Sasha, this is an old thread. A reaaaally old thread. Excuse our craziness, us dungeon folks get a little odd out here in our corner.

We discussed this about a week ago, but I can’t find the thread atm, and the search feature doesn’t work, so pbbbbbbbbbbbt. I’ll give you the short version:

1) People have been requesting this for years (source: this thread)
2) At one point a dev said “That’s a great idea, I’ll look into it” or something to that effect.
3) Said dev got laid off, dungeon team disbanded, very little attention paid to dungeons since by ArenaNet
4) No reason to believe they’d suddenly start paying attention to instanced PvE problems and add this, so the discussion is pointless.

To answer your question as to why: They think dungeons were a mistake and are no longer devoting any resources to them other than life-support type maintenance.

Right now, your best bet is to go here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api/Dungeon-path-completion

Leave a message saying you want to see that feature added. It won’t allow you to check this in-game, but it will then be possible to use an external website to view which paths have been done.

If that feature gets added, we’ll finally have an actual answer to give the next person that comes through here asking this question.

Know what’s lamer than a bunch of necros?

You can always make a new account that didn’t read them the first time around. That way you can experience them in their full necro glory :-)

But yeah, that’s sort of a dead giveaway for old-timers.

for your edit I can try, but it’s a 10+ minute wait for me to post again :P

It’s fun to pretend

It’s tempting to make a Robert Hrouda account with different numbers and start answering people. We need another $10 account sale now!

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Monster encyclopedia does sound pretty cool.

Hey Rob, have you seen http://www.gw2dungeons.net? It’s pretty cool — looks like the community (mostly Wethospu) has really stepped up and taken care of that already. There’re also things like build info on there — even a recommended dungeon build for necros!

I’m sure there was already a discussion about it, but it doesn’t hurt to flail my arms about things.

Edit: unless, in the event of me flailing my arms, I accidentally slap someone.

Maybe that should happen, anyway? I mean, seriously — are we ever going to hear anything about the autoattack change from 4 months ago?

lol, I vaguely remember something like that…what did they even say?

I have a hard time coming up with a legit reason not to do it here, though. Best I can come up with is that the devs won’t be able to find new posts that they wouldn’t have seen anyway… xD

PvF Bonus XP event!

With the necro meta rapidly gaining popularity in the trashcan, who’s up for this little initiative:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Another-CoF-Exploit/page/2#post5290513

I might just get a permaban for inciting something or other if we can pull it off.

fracture.9754:

dlonie.6547:

It’s not new, it’s just the most recent wave of it It happens fairly regularly — it’s the only way we’ll ever see red posts in here.

Gotta keep that hope alive! Let’s paint the front page red

Srs, fill the front page with red, then we can make a sarcastic post in general discussion about “all of the red posts in the dungeon forum” and how nice it looks. It’ll be grand.

+1 I’m up for it.

My obscenely high FC (10m >.<) limits my bumping abilities (I guess the system works!), but go nuts

I think the best ones to bump are probably Hrouda’s old patch-feedback threads. It’d make a good (though wholly ineffective, I expect) statement about how things should be…

For instance: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Patch-disussion-12-3

Start digging: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/showposts/Robert-Hrouda-1327/1

edit, fixed link

The misunderstanding is that “at the same time” implies a race condition and doesn’t indicate which actually proc’d first.

It’s not new, it’s just the most recent wave of it It happens fairly regularly — it’s the only way we’ll ever see red posts in here.

Gotta keep that hope alive! Let’s paint the front page red

Srs, fill the front page with red, then we can make a sarcastic post in general discussion about “all of the red posts in the dungeon forum” and how nice it looks. It’ll be grand.

Not saying I really agree with it, that’s just what I remember hearing :P

I found some motivation to dig this up:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Trash mobs have too much HP, and can’t be counted on for lucrative drops from a Risk/Time vs Reward, so people interested in making money (most groups) aren’t incentivized to do it, whereas the end chest/boss are more guaranteed and accountable returns on time and risk. I also think there is something to be said about interesting trash mob mechanics making them more enjoyable of a fight.

I can’t make the rewards from trash mobs so lucrative though that people just farm the first couple trash mobs/boss in a dungeon and then rinse/repeat. We encountered this when people just farmed the first boss in an instance and then restarted it (earlier around launch time), and we had to adjust the content as a result. It’s a fine line you have to walk to encourage players to get to the end, but make the process of getting there rewarding enough as well.

I don’t imagine this next update will resolve all the skipping behavior. The path of least resistance is engrained in people, and even if I do everything I could to incentivize people, there will still be those who skip stuff. I have been fixing exploits that will require players to complete more of the events in dungeons, but I am sure people will still skip what they can to get to their end goal.

For now I would encourage those not looking to skip to find some folks who don’t like skipping and make a guild with them… or maybe look for guilds that are dedicated to not skipping, and tag along with them. I’m in a couple of them (anonymously), and it really is an effective solution to playing the game the way you want to play it: Find other people with similar interests and band together with them.

Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Will-the-new-update-stop-skipping/

It does make sense, and people have been known to farm dungeon mobs as he’s described. Personally I think they should let them have better drops and then implement some sort of DR to combat the farming, but eh…

Dungeons are dead, and they aren’t going to change. There’s no one working on them, so the reality is that any and all suggestions for them might as well just get crumpled up and thrown in the trash.

That’s why the dungeon subforum is referred to as “The Trashcan” to those of us who frequent it

waves hand this is not the bingo you’re looking for

He’s not saying skipping is bad or that everyone should always kill all mobs in every run, or anything close to something like that.

Just that it’d be nice if they were worthwhile to kill for those who choose to

It’s a good idea, and it’s not the first time it’s been proposed. But it won’t happen. I think there’s even a Hroudagram about it where St. Rob says that they don’t have good drops because of reward balance or some such. CBA to look it up. Anyone feeling more motivated than I am?

Adds Tormented Sylvari to friendslist

How long did that guy try to sell p1@tar? I’d love to get 2g for just soloing the Ancient Ooze xD

Harper.4173:

dlonie.6547:

Purple Miku.7032:

dlonie.6547:

Purple Miku.7032:

dlonie.6547:

bladex.9502:

Anet should remove the option to see the amount of achievement points someone has accumulated, since it has nothing to do with dungeons themselves.
But somehow most people still think it’s a relevant scale for someone’s skill….

AP is totally a great indicator of dungeon skill — I mean, look at this scrub. Prolly wears a shield on his head. Certainly couldn’t handle Arah or FotM 50 without a hard carry.

Who wouldn’t kick?

<3

You’re just jealous because my warrior has full yellow clerics with dwayna runes and yours doesn’t!

Nah bruh, Golemancer Runes OP

I’m honestly just amazed that you’ve managed to keep it so low. I’m at 6.5k without even trying :P

Ohh… I just assumed you were linking a log of when I was really low AP. I have ~10.5k or something like that

Nope, that’s from today, it came from the official GW2 AP leaderboard here: https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/achievements/friends Log in and it will show everyone on your friends list — it says you have ~1800AP. Now I’m looking at it in game and yup, you’re really at 10.6k.

Are the leaderboards broken? O.o

Well they might be but at least the fractal leader boards aren’t broken. And we all know why

That was my next thought :-) I guess it really doesn’t matter that they never bothered adding it.

Purple Miku.7032:

dlonie.6547:

Purple Miku.7032:

dlonie.6547:

bladex.9502:

Anet should remove the option to see the amount of achievement points someone has accumulated, since it has nothing to do with dungeons themselves.
But somehow most people still think it’s a relevant scale for someone’s skill….

AP is totally a great indicator of dungeon skill — I mean, look at this scrub. Prolly wears a shield on his head. Certainly couldn’t handle Arah or FotM 50 without a hard carry.

Who wouldn’t kick?

<3

You’re just jealous because my warrior has full yellow clerics with dwayna runes and yours doesn’t!

Nah bruh, Golemancer Runes OP

I’m honestly just amazed that you’ve managed to keep it so low. I’m at 6.5k without even trying :P

Ohh… I just assumed you were linking a log of when I was really low AP. I have ~10.5k or something like that

Nope, that’s from today, it came from the official GW2 AP leaderboard here: https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/achievements/friends Log in and it will show everyone on your friends list — it says you have ~1800AP. Now I’m looking at it in game and yup, you’re really at 10.6k.

Are the leaderboards broken? O.o

Never saw the PUG bingo before. Good stuff

It gets funnier after you completely give up on this game having a future.

Talyn.3295:

spoj.9672:

That sheet needs to be updated. Raise condi cap isnt relevant anymore. Also fgs is on there.

Yeah, I don’t even remember who made that one.

Wasn’t it Lucas who used to make those? They went through a few iterations.

NA or EU? You can play with people on different servers in the same region, but not with those from the other region.

spoj.9672:

I dont think even Hrouda expected them to stay fresh for 3 years. Lets be honest. Its a miracle we still play them after this long.

Agreed. Although I have a feeling he did expect the dungeon scene to stay somewhat fresh.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

WILL YOU STOP NECROING EVERYTHING ALREADY I CAN’T HANDLE IT ;-;

Don’t try to push your “no necro meta” on me, you filthy elitist!

bladex.9502:

William Fairfield.1428:

Explorable Mode – Moderate difficulty for extremely organized and well versed players. Randomly formed pick up groups should find this content very difficult. Memorable moments of accomplishment and achievement when you defeat an exceptionally difficult boss/encounter.

oh the good old days <3

I got a good chuckle at that, too. My my my, how far we’ve come.

Was digging for a good troll necro, but found this instead:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

To say the dungeons will be the SAME 6 months from now isn’t going to hold up either. We’re going to be doing lots of updates to dungeons, changing things that didn’t work out, and introducing new features as we find the time/tech to implement them. Our hope is that dungeons will stay nice and fresh for a long time

pdavis.8031:

1. reason this thread won’t get a dev response:

Do not engage in staff call-outs. Using the words “ArenaNet” or any staff member’s name will not expedite the answer to your query.

LOL yeah.

That’s why they won’t reply.

xD

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

seriously guys?

Eh, after reading the wall of text, this isn’t really a bingo post in my opinion. OP had a kittenty experience that seems to be becoming fairly commonplace. They did everything right by our standards — they made their own group, clearly advertised what they wanted, but had a series of dongs join that didn’t read the description and tried to force their playstyle on a differently-advertised group.

We can relate to a lot of that, methinks.

Also, as Veydar pointed out, the verb ‘to neckbeard’ is pretty kittenin’ great. OP is alright in my book