Guild Wars 2

If this is an example of whats to come in HoT, where individual events are unrewarding and the overall event is barely more than that then we are all in for a whole world of disappointment. I can’t even begin to understand what they were thinking. They took everything about the scarlet invasions that people liked and threw it away and made this.

Its just poor design. The people who designed this event should be ashamed.

We’re being trolled. So we get 10 blooms for the first 10 events and zero reward for the last 9 events.

Captain Unusual.9163:

And yet here I am as the worst condi guardian in the world. Lost 15 of my 15 games last night as a condi guard, only won once I switched to some silly bunker bullkitten.

But seriously, OP, you’re just biased and bitter. Condi builds are no easier or harder than any other build. Pressing a button to deal 5k damage instantly is no harder than pressing a button to do 1k damage instantly and 4k damage over the next few seconds.

Actually it is. Most condi skills are ranged. And once you apply them you can walk away and watch your enemy die while they make a futile attempt to close the distance and fight you. They might clear your condis once or twice but since condi cds are incredibly broken you’ll just reapply the condis instantly while they die without the ability to fight back. I know this because I switched to condi and do this to people because it is the only way to be competitive in PvP.

Harper.4173:

Tashigi.3159:

Bishop.7140:

Please stick to your original game design with no trinity.

No.
Get out.
PVE content/dungeons is broken as kitten. Comparing it to other similar MMO reveals that instantly.
This game needs to keep what it has and also evolve beyond that. If that requires that we have a form of holy trinity, what’s to hate?
Besides, changing your build/gear is easy and I hear they plan to add gear sets; so it’ll be even easier.

Stop hating on the holy trinity.
It’s great.

So you get to tell people to get out? How about you take your own advice?

The trinity is great? Go play a trinity game. This is not one and should not be one.

+1 this. Hundreds of trinity games out there. This isn’t supposed to be one. Go play one of those if you want, don’t change a game into something its not supposed to be.

Meh, I bought the flame and shadow kits for 25gems each and still felt ripped off. Its a sick joke by anet.

K have fun asking for the trinity, I am tired of arguing in circles with people. I’m going to just hope Anet is smart enough to ignore people who joined a non-trinity game and ask for a trinity.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Selkirk.4218:

Liewec.2896:

i don’t think people were complaining about the amount of armor skins, if this thread shows anything its that we’re hungry for new skins!
i think the issue was that people who didn’t put money into the game were seeing all of the gemstore armor skins and wanting more armours that they could achieve through gameplay.

honestly it doesn’t matter if the armor skins are in game or on gemstore…the concern is that there aren’t any available. i have gems that i am waiting to spend and nothing to spend them on… i look at outfits with disdain and dissapointment. meanwhile my gems just sit there.

Well, it did matter to a lot of people that armor was in the gemstore. True, many also wanted armor in game but there was a general disdain voiced for armor being sold.

Sample quotes: Zodiac armor thread.

Thank you Arena Net.
Now, how about adding a new armor set that is acquirable without gem store or long grind?

But their armor designers are working so hard adding flame textures to old sets. They clearly need 10 USD/ use.

Actually, i would prefer buying an expansion with new skills, new armors skins , new weapon skins and new pvp mod like Guild Wars 1, over using the gem shop.

I’d rather wait a whole year with 0 new content and pay 60$ for a new expansion with tons of different new armors, dungeons and real new content.

And they took from this that “tons of different armors, dungeons, and real new content” meant what? 2 armor sets, no dungeons, and 1 raid?

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Lolololol sooo you just want them to give you the hard to obtain stuff?

Give? No… You pay a lot of gems for those gem packs. And 9/10 times you get a blue or green dye you already have 50 of. The other 1/10 its just a rare you already have.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

dom.2748:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

dom.2748:

No thanks, I dont need to be bombarded with guild information every time I log on. If I am interested in the guild information pop open your guild tab.

It’s not like you get bombed.

Regular Guild invitation messages that pops up on the map chat, People calling events, people asking for help and random discussions on the chat is what will bombard your chat.

This message will pop up once everytime when you log in with a character and maby also when the Message of the day is updated. Is that Bombarded?

Yes it is, Every time I switch a character another window to close. Every time I log in another window to close. If you want to see your guilds message of the day press G, it isn’t that hard. I don’t understand how pressing one key to look at MOTD without removing choice of not looking at it 50 times a day from other players is hard.

Lol… I am sorry but the message should not pop up as a window XD We where speaking about how it works in other MMO’s and if I remember correct it’s in GW1 too.

To the point, the message is displayed in the chat window just like someone have wrote something in the chat to you as you where logging in. No extra window that you have click on for it to vanish. It is just a simple chat message where it says for example ‘Message of the day: Good day guild, today we will have a blast doing raids at 1800!’

Edit: What poster above me said and shows very well too

It is still spamming every time you log into a character though or switch guilds. It would at the very least need to have a guild message option in the chat window so I can hide it because I am not kittened and know how to press G. Basically if your guild members are too lazy to press G to read what is going on that day in your guild then maybe your guild sucks.

Tongku.5326:

dom.2748:

Dawdler.8521:

dom.2748:

Ticky.5831:

There’s never going to be “Healers” because Anet wants to push active damage mitigating support over healing.

What they probably should have done though, is made a Boon Duration stat(in addition to other mechanics that affect Boon Duration).

At the end of the day it really comes down to… Why do I need a dedicated healer when I can heal myself?

I am not 100% opposed to clerics gear being mixed in with other types of gear for example. I mean I don’t personally see the benefit as healing power doesn’t scale very well but I am not 100% opposed. I think a Zerker Ele swapping to water and then blasting a water field is plenty enough for emergency situations, which are rare enough on their own. With dodging, blocks, reflects, blinds, projectile destroying, etc. I don’t see why we should ever go full tank or heals.

Even if content becomes more challenging I don’t know why you would completely remove yourself from damage and do something as boring as pure healing or tanking. If you don’t want to be in the fight then don’t join the party.

Well technically they can go around that.

Big kitten Boss cause AoE suppression, -100% healing effectiveness (self) and frequent buff removal on players for the duration of the fight.

Thats it. Simple as all kitten.

Anet can already do something like in the game and play with encounters, but obviously they have chosen not to. “Healers” – someone that either apply alot of passive AoE heals, constant regeneration, blasting fields or skills that just plain heal (like guardian staff, or even normal heal skills that cause AoE healing) – would absolutely be required in this encounter. Hell it would even demand TWO of them if the “healer” cant top off himself. Not to mention people would probably need to pick tankier gear as well.

And that is called a trinity, and this game isn’t a hard trinity game. You shouldn’t REQUIRE any specific role. That is the whole point. We don’t want a hard trinity. If we wanted a hard trinity we’d be playing one of the hundreds of games with a hard trinity.

Now here is the problem with your ridiculous scenario. How do you think an Ele or Guardian would heal us if our boons are stripped? How would anybody do anything? Support is now meaningless. Damage is now nerfed into the ground, so everybody is hitting like a wet noodle. You either play a trinity game or you don’t. I chose not to and played GW2. If that is what you are looking for then maybe you should reevaluate your game decision instead of trying to break this one.

I agree with you 100%. zerker, or pure DPS and DPS support only should NEVER EVER have been required for optimal content completion. It is stupid. The mental kittenation of “zerking” dungeons has caused many of us (myself included) to take very long breaks from this game, while many others have left it entirely. Only thing that has brought me back to try it out again are the recent changes, along with QOL improvements such as ability to change stats on ascended gear, but even that is falling short in a lot of areas.

Magaservers are basically the result of dwindling population of players leaving due to zerker boredom.

Original soft trinity was supposed to be required for optimal content completion, but as recently stated by a-net, they basically screwed up and as one of the lead devs put it, the DPS meta is a “design flaw” which will be corrected in the future content.

If they do it right, you will still be able to finish content in full DPS group set up, just not in an optimal manner but rather as it was originally intended, which includes the GW2 soft trinity of Control / Support / DPS instead of the hard trinities of other games consisting of Tank / Heals / DPS.

The META does use the soft trinity of Control / Support / DPS. That is what makes me laugh the most. Every META build does damage, support and control. That is why the players who are usually so anti-meta are the same ones who often cry about the zerker meta and describe it as stand in a corner and spam 1 which is laughably wrong and would result in a wipe.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Selkirk.4218:

actually this is a comparison between what the original design team was able to accomplish (50+ armor sets) and what the present design team is able to accomplish (2 armor sets).

what’s happened? it’s an honest question. how did we get to this point? is the engine too old to update armor sets? can the artists no longer design armor?

If they are only putting armor ingame and if the sets are going to be a reward for doing content, then the number put out for this expansion will have to match the number of content rewards “quests” that can reasonably fit the size of the content. Silverwastes had one set of 3 armors. This is 4 maps so 2 sets of 3 armors isn’t too unreasonably low. It’s also possible (probable, imo) that more will be coming later.

Telling people what will MAYBE be coming later after 10 months of no content is kind of insulting. Also 2 sets of armor in an expansion is not at all reasonable and expecting more is not unreasonable.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

dom.2748:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Please stop asking them to put armor sets in the store. These types of things should be (and we have confirmation that they will henceforth be) in game rewards. Things we can work towards as we play.

Now, Anet still needs to shuffle things into the store to make them money, and this is exactly where outfits come into play. Things that they couldn’t necessarily (or easily) turn into an armor skin simply due to their design (and the armor mesh set up). These can stay in the store, and you can buy them if you like them.

Yeah? Where are these in-game rewards? They’ve released like 10 outfits since that announcement. We’re at 10-0 for outfits to armor since. And based on http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/game/maguuma/ we’re getting 2 armor sets in HoT. So we’ll be 10+however many more outfits we get before HoT which I estimate will be at least 4 – 2.

Pretty good ratio! /sarcasm

when you consider that the 2 armor sets are 6 separate armors: 2 light, 2 medium and 2 heavy then it’s better.

To illustrate this point, when (if) you did the dungeons and collected the tokens, you bought separately from each dungeon one heavy armor set, one light armor set and one medium armor set. One set of tokens didn’t buy a piece that all armor weights could wear. Those who only had one char needed to only buy the one for that armor weight, so each weight can reasonably be counted as one.

I’m sorry I know how to read, it says “2 armor sets” not 6 on the official site.

Dawdler.8521:

dom.2748:

Ticky.5831:

There’s never going to be “Healers” because Anet wants to push active damage mitigating support over healing.

What they probably should have done though, is made a Boon Duration stat(in addition to other mechanics that affect Boon Duration).

At the end of the day it really comes down to… Why do I need a dedicated healer when I can heal myself?

I am not 100% opposed to clerics gear being mixed in with other types of gear for example. I mean I don’t personally see the benefit as healing power doesn’t scale very well but I am not 100% opposed. I think a Zerker Ele swapping to water and then blasting a water field is plenty enough for emergency situations, which are rare enough on their own. With dodging, blocks, reflects, blinds, projectile destroying, etc. I don’t see why we should ever go full tank or heals.

Even if content becomes more challenging I don’t know why you would completely remove yourself from damage and do something as boring as pure healing or tanking. If you don’t want to be in the fight then don’t join the party.

Well technically they can go around that.

Big kitten Boss cause AoE suppression, -100% healing effectiveness (self) and frequent buff removal on players for the duration of the fight.

Thats it. Simple as all kitten.

Anet can already do something like in the game and play with encounters, but obviously they have chosen not to. “Healers” – someone that either apply alot of passive AoE heals, constant regeneration, blasting fields or skills that just plain heal (like guardian staff, or even normal heal skills that cause AoE healing) – would absolutely be required in this encounter. Hell it would even demand TWO of them if the “healer” cant top off himself. Not to mention people would probably need to pick tankier gear as well.

And that is called a trinity, and this game isn’t a hard trinity game. You shouldn’t REQUIRE any specific role. That is the whole point. We don’t want a hard trinity. If we wanted a hard trinity we’d be playing one of the hundreds of games with a hard trinity.

Now here is the problem with your ridiculous scenario. How do you think an Ele or Guardian would heal us if our boons are stripped? How would anybody do anything? Support is now meaningless. Damage is now nerfed into the ground, so everybody is hitting like a wet noodle. You either play a trinity game or you don’t. I chose not to and played GW2. If that is what you are looking for then maybe you should reevaluate your game decision instead of trying to break this one.

Calcifire.1864:

dom.2748:

MuffinMan.3285:

BeckaPL.2670:

dom.2748:

Calcifire.1864:

dom.2748:

Tanks aren’t coming, This game has no mechanics that would make tanking a thing that was possible. No way to hold aggro at all. And now we’ll get the uninformed saying they added taunt but taunt is just a backwards fear. It doesn’t draw aggro or threat. It just makes you run in a certain direction for a bit until hit.

Revenant can actually be a somewhat effective tank.

in Legendary Dwarf stance, there is a utility with no cooldown but 50 energy cost that gives a 2s taunt and slow, plus, its other utility skills are a condition removing heal (that grants retaliation), an AoE that causes weakness and grants you stability, anability with an upkeep cost that reduces damage taken by 20%, and the elite is an AoE that grants you an unspecified amount of damage reduction.

in its retribuion traitline there is a trait to make taunt last twice as long and make enemies deal 20% less damage whn under taunt.

there is also a trait that makes you take 10% less damage when under 75% hp, and a bunch of traits that rely on you being hit (endurance on hit, stability and retaliation on dodge, and a choice of either a self heal when you get hit, or to gain might when you get hit with retaliation)

it’s not a traditional tank, but it does rely on you being the one to get hit, and being able to recover or mitigate that hit.

It doesn’t matter how many hits you can take. We’ve been able to build massive “tanky” characters since launch that can take all the hits. But there is no mechanics for taking, holding, or maintaining aggro so tanking is a moot point. That is all there is to it. It also shouldn’t exist in this game because this game isn’t a trinity game. I just don’t get why people bought this game that was advertised as a non-trinity game and then instead of playing one of the hundreds of games with a trinity try to break this one by breaking the major reason most of us bought it.

Because it was never advertised as a non-trinity game. It was advertised as a soft trinity game. Where you could perform any role with any class. That is what we paid for and that is NOT what we got. Some people want what they paid for and some people are happy with mechanics that even the devs admit are fundamentally flawed to their own game design

This guy, I like you. I bought this game mainly because I am a guild wars 1 fan, but the soft trinity intrigued me and I thought “it’ll be weird to not have a front, mid and back line but it actually might be an improvement and allow for my versatility in builds. plus it can let people play they way they like to so awesome.” but in the end it all came down to dmg dealing, and the support necro I liked to play? yeah was just a hindrance to the team I was trying to support.

Right now its either get enough people to smash the boss where you can just auto attack and walk away. Or have everyone run zerk and kill the boss before it can do anything.

More class definition and importance on ways to help your team are a welcomed thing in my book.

What is a support necro? Aside from the recent vampiric aura thing what exactly can a necro provide as support? It is a very selfish class, contradictory to support in almost every way.

More importantly your support necro, if it was actually useful (it might be? I might be missing some necro stuff? Idk) is not a hindrance. You’re just trying to join meta groups. If you don’t want to play the meta then play the non-meta. Tons of people do it and they supposedly have fun every day. You’re the only person forcing yourself into a play style you don’t like.

You should be able to all dps, because it is meant to be a non-trinity game. And anybody that claims otherwise is seriously spreading some misinformation. just like you should be able to run 5 healers if you wanted to. The content would take forever and I don’t know why anybody would ever do it to themselves but you could get through the content that way. I’m not sure why some people feel the need to try and destroy the meta just because they don’t personally like it. DON’T PLAY THE META IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT. IT ISN’T MANDATORY.

early on, a “support necro” was a necro that specialized in DPS boosts and damage mitigation through conditions (for example, vuln vs might, weakness vs protection, blind vs aegis), condition management (eg, leeching party member conds), and boon stripping/conversion.

an interesting and fun idea that was stomped flat at the time by the meta being “4 warriors using GS2 and a mesmer to timewarp and skip as much content as possible” resulting in no groups that wanted them, and necros being hobbled by the condition cap.

They were hobbled by the condi cap, like most condition builds were.

With that said, they were mostly useless if thats what they have to offer because other classes can provide vulnerability and weakness while also dealing direct damage. Which necro wasn’t really very good at either until dagger was buffed with a cleave. Then power necro became really fun. Unfortunately necros already had a bad reputation from people refusing to acknowledge the limitation of conditions and some even running minion master despite the minion master AI being just the worst thing ever.

If by skipping as much content as possible you mean running passed trash mobs that don’t drop anything then yes, I also subscribe to the philosophy of not wasting my time as it is very valuable to me.

And I know people who play necro since launch and when they weren’t running their necros with friends they were doing just find joining non-meta groups that are play how you want advocates. The only time you find people who cry about the meta are the same people who think they are entitled to play with meta players without playing the meta. You’re not, nobody is entitled to play with anybody in a private party.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Please stop asking them to put armor sets in the store. These types of things should be (and we have confirmation that they will henceforth be) in game rewards. Things we can work towards as we play.

Now, Anet still needs to shuffle things into the store to make them money, and this is exactly where outfits come into play. Things that they couldn’t necessarily (or easily) turn into an armor skin simply due to their design (and the armor mesh set up). These can stay in the store, and you can buy them if you like them.

Yeah? Where are these in-game rewards? They’ve released like 10 outfits since that announcement. We’re at 10-0 for outfits to armor since. And based on http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/game/maguuma/ we’re getting 2 armor sets in HoT. So we’ll be 10+however many more outfits we get before HoT which I estimate will be at least 4 – 2.

Pretty good ratio! /sarcasm

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Also, dont you have to account for the monsters resistance into the equation too?

Pretty sure condition damage ignores armor and condition armor isn’t a thing, which is why even pre condi buff leveling as condi was often pretty powerful because of the low health pools in leveling areas.

Ticky.5831:

There’s never going to be “Healers” because Anet wants to push active damage mitigating support over healing.

What they probably should have done though, is made a Boon Duration stat(in addition to other mechanics that affect Boon Duration).

At the end of the day it really comes down to… Why do I need a dedicated healer when I can heal myself?

I am not 100% opposed to clerics gear being mixed in with other types of gear for example. I mean I don’t personally see the benefit as healing power doesn’t scale very well but I am not 100% opposed. I think a Zerker Ele swapping to water and then blasting a water field is plenty enough for emergency situations, which are rare enough on their own. With dodging, blocks, reflects, blinds, projectile destroying, etc. I don’t see why we should ever go full tank or heals.

Even if content becomes more challenging I don’t know why you would completely remove yourself from damage and do something as boring as pure healing or tanking. If you don’t want to be in the fight then don’t join the party.

MuffinMan.3285:

BeckaPL.2670:

dom.2748:

Calcifire.1864:

dom.2748:

Tanks aren’t coming, This game has no mechanics that would make tanking a thing that was possible. No way to hold aggro at all. And now we’ll get the uninformed saying they added taunt but taunt is just a backwards fear. It doesn’t draw aggro or threat. It just makes you run in a certain direction for a bit until hit.

Revenant can actually be a somewhat effective tank.

in Legendary Dwarf stance, there is a utility with no cooldown but 50 energy cost that gives a 2s taunt and slow, plus, its other utility skills are a condition removing heal (that grants retaliation), an AoE that causes weakness and grants you stability, anability with an upkeep cost that reduces damage taken by 20%, and the elite is an AoE that grants you an unspecified amount of damage reduction.

in its retribuion traitline there is a trait to make taunt last twice as long and make enemies deal 20% less damage whn under taunt.

there is also a trait that makes you take 10% less damage when under 75% hp, and a bunch of traits that rely on you being hit (endurance on hit, stability and retaliation on dodge, and a choice of either a self heal when you get hit, or to gain might when you get hit with retaliation)

it’s not a traditional tank, but it does rely on you being the one to get hit, and being able to recover or mitigate that hit.

It doesn’t matter how many hits you can take. We’ve been able to build massive “tanky” characters since launch that can take all the hits. But there is no mechanics for taking, holding, or maintaining aggro so tanking is a moot point. That is all there is to it. It also shouldn’t exist in this game because this game isn’t a trinity game. I just don’t get why people bought this game that was advertised as a non-trinity game and then instead of playing one of the hundreds of games with a trinity try to break this one by breaking the major reason most of us bought it.

Because it was never advertised as a non-trinity game. It was advertised as a soft trinity game. Where you could perform any role with any class. That is what we paid for and that is NOT what we got. Some people want what they paid for and some people are happy with mechanics that even the devs admit are fundamentally flawed to their own game design

This guy, I like you. I bought this game mainly because I am a guild wars 1 fan, but the soft trinity intrigued me and I thought “it’ll be weird to not have a front, mid and back line but it actually might be an improvement and allow for my versatility in builds. plus it can let people play they way they like to so awesome.” but in the end it all came down to dmg dealing, and the support necro I liked to play? yeah was just a hindrance to the team I was trying to support.

Right now its either get enough people to smash the boss where you can just auto attack and walk away. Or have everyone run zerk and kill the boss before it can do anything.

More class definition and importance on ways to help your team are a welcomed thing in my book.

What is a support necro? Aside from the recent vampiric aura thing what exactly can a necro provide as support? It is a very selfish class, contradictory to support in almost every way.

More importantly your support necro, if it was actually useful (it might be? I might be missing some necro stuff? Idk) is not a hindrance. You’re just trying to join meta groups. If you don’t want to play the meta then play the non-meta. Tons of people do it and they supposedly have fun every day. You’re the only person forcing yourself into a play style you don’t like.

You should be able to all dps, because it is meant to be a non-trinity game. And anybody that claims otherwise is seriously spreading some misinformation. just like you should be able to run 5 healers if you wanted to. The content would take forever and I don’t know why anybody would ever do it to themselves but you could get through the content that way. I’m not sure why some people feel the need to try and destroy the meta just because they don’t personally like it. DON’T PLAY THE META IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT. IT ISN’T MANDATORY.

Calcifire.1864:

dom.2748:

Calcifire.1864:

dom.2748:

Tanks aren’t coming, This game has no mechanics that would make tanking a thing that was possible. No way to hold aggro at all. And now we’ll get the uninformed saying they added taunt but taunt is just a backwards fear. It doesn’t draw aggro or threat. It just makes you run in a certain direction for a bit until hit.

Revenant can actually be a somewhat effective tank.

in Legendary Dwarf stance, there is a utility with no cooldown but 50 energy cost that gives a 2s taunt and slow, plus, its other utility skills are a condition removing heal (that grants retaliation), an AoE that causes weakness and grants you stability, anability with an upkeep cost that reduces damage taken by 20%, and the elite is an AoE that grants you an unspecified amount of damage reduction.

in its retribuion traitline there is a trait to make taunt last twice as long and make enemies deal 20% less damage whn under taunt.

there is also a trait that makes you take 10% less damage when under 75% hp, and a bunch of traits that rely on you being hit (endurance on hit, stability and retaliation on dodge, and a choice of either a self heal when you get hit, or to gain might when you get hit with retaliation)

it’s not a traditional tank, but it does rely on you being the one to get hit, and being able to recover or mitigate that hit.

It doesn’t matter how many hits you can take. We’ve been able to build massive “tanky” characters since launch that can take all the hits. But there is no mechanics for taking, holding, or maintaining aggro so tanking is a moot point. That is all there is to it. It also shouldn’t exist in this game because this game isn’t a trinity game. I just don’t get why people bought this game that was advertised as a non-trinity game and then instead of playing one of the hundreds of games with a trinity try to break this one by breaking the major reason most of us bought it.

by “tanking” in this context,I’m meaning “a method of control relying on the enemy attacking you instead of others”, Revenants get a 4s taunt every 10 seconds, so a revenant standing away from a group and taunting on cooldown means the enemy will pingpong between the revenant and the group, and every hit the “tank” takes is a berzerker DPS not being hit.

I’m not a huge fan of the trinity myself, however, I definitely sympathise with the “can we have the trinity back?” people because we’ve given up the trinity for “all DPS all the time”

freedom to choose your role is very different to “freedom to choose your flavour of DPS (and if you don’t choose chocolate you are WRONG.)”

Except taunt is a fear-like condition. Meaning it is a hard CC. And hard CC won’t work on legendaries in HoT because they will all have a break bar. More importantly even if it did work you’d just have the result of melee DPS chasing the boss around and missing half their attacks as it runs out of their range.

BeckaPL.2670:

dom.2748:

Calcifire.1864:

dom.2748:

Tanks aren’t coming, This game has no mechanics that would make tanking a thing that was possible. No way to hold aggro at all. And now we’ll get the uninformed saying they added taunt but taunt is just a backwards fear. It doesn’t draw aggro or threat. It just makes you run in a certain direction for a bit until hit.

Revenant can actually be a somewhat effective tank.

in Legendary Dwarf stance, there is a utility with no cooldown but 50 energy cost that gives a 2s taunt and slow, plus, its other utility skills are a condition removing heal (that grants retaliation), an AoE that causes weakness and grants you stability, anability with an upkeep cost that reduces damage taken by 20%, and the elite is an AoE that grants you an unspecified amount of damage reduction.

in its retribuion traitline there is a trait to make taunt last twice as long and make enemies deal 20% less damage whn under taunt.

there is also a trait that makes you take 10% less damage when under 75% hp, and a bunch of traits that rely on you being hit (endurance on hit, stability and retaliation on dodge, and a choice of either a self heal when you get hit, or to gain might when you get hit with retaliation)

it’s not a traditional tank, but it does rely on you being the one to get hit, and being able to recover or mitigate that hit.

It doesn’t matter how many hits you can take. We’ve been able to build massive “tanky” characters since launch that can take all the hits. But there is no mechanics for taking, holding, or maintaining aggro so tanking is a moot point. That is all there is to it. It also shouldn’t exist in this game because this game isn’t a trinity game. I just don’t get why people bought this game that was advertised as a non-trinity game and then instead of playing one of the hundreds of games with a trinity try to break this one by breaking the major reason most of us bought it.

Because it was never advertised as a non-trinity game. It was advertised as a soft trinity game. Where you could perform any role with any class. That is what we paid for and that is NOT what we got. Some people want what they paid for and some people are happy with mechanics that even the devs admit are fundamentally flawed to their own game design

It was advertised as a game without a trinity. By definition if you can do everything then there is no trinity. No requirements for parties, nothing. You CAN choose to run a tank or a healer, but it would be pointless because the game has no aggro system and it shouldn’t because it wasn’t advertised as a trinity game. Stop spreading false information. It is really annoying. All of us who came from GW1 that also didn’t have a trinity got exactly what we payed for and are happy. If you are mad that this game isn’t what you thought and want to make it another WoW clone then you should consider going back to traditional MMOs and next time do more research on a game before you buy it,

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

dom.2748:

No thanks, I dont need to be bombarded with guild information every time I log on. If I am interested in the guild information pop open your guild tab.

It’s not like you get bombed.

Regular Guild invitation messages that pops up on the map chat, People calling events, people asking for help and random discussions on the chat is what will bombard your chat.

This message will pop up once everytime when you log in with a character and maby also when the Message of the day is updated. Is that Bombarded?

Yes it is, Every time I switch a character another window to close. Every time I log in another window to close. If you want to see your guilds message of the day press G, it isn’t that hard. I don’t understand how pressing one key to look at MOTD without removing choice of not looking at it 50 times a day from other players is hard.

Calcifire.1864:

dom.2748:

Tanks aren’t coming, This game has no mechanics that would make tanking a thing that was possible. No way to hold aggro at all. And now we’ll get the uninformed saying they added taunt but taunt is just a backwards fear. It doesn’t draw aggro or threat. It just makes you run in a certain direction for a bit until hit.

Revenant can actually be a somewhat effective tank.

in Legendary Dwarf stance, there is a utility with no cooldown but 50 energy cost that gives a 2s taunt and slow, plus, its other utility skills are a condition removing heal (that grants retaliation), an AoE that causes weakness and grants you stability, anability with an upkeep cost that reduces damage taken by 20%, and the elite is an AoE that grants you an unspecified amount of damage reduction.

in its retribuion traitline there is a trait to make taunt last twice as long and make enemies deal 20% less damage whn under taunt.

there is also a trait that makes you take 10% less damage when under 75% hp, and a bunch of traits that rely on you being hit (endurance on hit, stability and retaliation on dodge, and a choice of either a self heal when you get hit, or to gain might when you get hit with retaliation)

it’s not a traditional tank, but it does rely on you being the one to get hit, and being able to recover or mitigate that hit.

It doesn’t matter how many hits you can take. We’ve been able to build massive “tanky” characters since launch that can take all the hits. But there is no mechanics for taking, holding, or maintaining aggro so tanking is a moot point. That is all there is to it. It also shouldn’t exist in this game because this game isn’t a trinity game. I just don’t get why people bought this game that was advertised as a non-trinity game and then instead of playing one of the hundreds of games with a trinity try to break this one by breaking the major reason most of us bought it.

No thanks, I dont need to be bombarded with guild information every time I log on. If I am interested in the guild information pop open your guild tab.

Satenia.9025:

Miporin.3529:

There is no need to prolong the fight for zerkers, they can stay the same as now, they have just to boost the condition damage and healing power, so people can make different builds and be effective.
Atm only the zerker is effective.

As far as I’m aware, condition damage has been largely boosted and is on par with direct damage for various classes already (with there being meta-builds, etc.).

Tanking and healing stats on the other hand would still have a long way to go. This isn’t “just” a matter of boosting though – why would you prolong a fight through healing when you can dps instead? The only solution is to not make it optional, but a requirement instead.

As a result, for certain raids/fractals you’ll now mandatory need a healing or a tanking build, which means instead of “zerker only” it’ll be “clerics only”. And if we’re really really (un)lucky, they’ll manage to enforce a proper mixture of these stats, then you’ll have “meta group: 2x zerker, 2x clerics, 1x sinisters” instead of “meta group: all zerker”. I don’t really see how that changes anything for the better…

Because people don’t know what the meta is in regards to GW2 PvE. Its a collection of community decided optimal builds built using outside knowledge.

Zerker isn’t the only option, its the only option(and that is not really necessarily true anymore either) that certain people who run the meta want. Don’t interact with us if you don’t want to participate in it. All of our parties are labeled as either zerker or meta or speedclear. Avoid those parties if you don’t subscribe to the same ideals.

Now that you’re not in our parties start your own parties, play how you want, run your own builds. Nobody is stopping you. But you should never ignore one or two of the soft trinity things in favor of just one. A pure healer or a pure tank have no place in this game because they’re not supposed to. The game has no true healing or tanking mechanics by design and choice. If I am running a dungeon I don’t want to go LFG Arah Path 1&2 need healer still And wait 30 minutes for a healer. I can jump in with anybody and they can wear whatever they want and run whatever they want and we’ll probably not fail.

Tanks aren’t coming, This game has no mechanics that would make tanking a thing that was possible. No way to hold aggro at all. And now we’ll get the uninformed saying they added taunt but taunt is just a backwards fear. It doesn’t draw aggro or threat. It just makes you run in a certain direction for a bit until hit.

Also what condition players sit in the back? Do the people who make this game even play it?

Therodin.2970:

Yes, exactly like that. There is a report system in the game for exactly that reason. Don’t clog up support just because anet has decided they don’t care about griefing.

Are you….are you messing with us? You have to be messing with us.

Please ignore this guy. Continue to report people who violate the ToS and be jerks to random players for their own amusement. And use any means needed. If support feels like it is getting too many tickets they’ll add it to the in-game report. Until then use whatever tools ARE available.

Therodin.2970:

Astralporing.1957:

CandyHearts.6025:

Aedelric.1287:

That is something you can report them for.

And which report subject heading would you see fitting? Go check them out. None fit. And for good reason.

When you report griefing, don’t use the ingame report tool, take screenshots (or, better, make a video, if you can) and mail support directly. You’d be surprised how often that works.

Therodin.2970:

You can’t ban people for something that a stupid player could be doing without malicious intent. A stupid mesmer could put a portal on the kegs at triple trouble because they think it would help people get back to the drop off point faster. A stupid mesmer could put portal on the jump pad in the hopes that it gets people back to teq faster. You can’t ban people for being stupid.

Yep. But if this is not a single case, but someone keeps repeating this (or, even better, gets caught admitting to griefing on chat)…

Why in our lord mordremoths great green tyria would you suggest people go bother support with claims like this? They have so much more important things to do. I forgot my password like every single time that i accidentally click the password field and erase my saved password. Tickets like the one you are supporting are the reason it takes me like 3 days to get back in.

Tickets like what? Ones reporting griefers for griefing?

It isn’t animations that are the problem, its all of the bright overlapping skill effects. Turning off “animations” would just make things really awkward. Players would just float around like ghost zombies.

Another one of these threads. cool.
http://i.imgur.com/kFMwc28.jpg This will solve your kicking problem.

Everything is effective in this game, it is all viable. If what you want is that everything be optimal then guess what, that is impossible.

Something will always be more optimal than something else. And no, they don’t need to buff condition damage, that is the last thing they need to do. It is also overpowered in PvP and we don’t need it hitting for even more.

As far as the trinity goes, removing the trinity from a game was the best thing anet ever did. You can choose to play what you want, and most people choose to play damage. I will always choose damage. You’re trying to fill a trinity role that doesn’t exist. This games trinity is pretty simple. Damage, support, control. And ever character is expected to fill it a little bit. Maybe you lean towards the support or maybe you lean towards the control or maybe you lean towards the damage but if you’re dedicating yourself to one of the 3 things and don’t do anything else then you’ve made a bad build because it is contrary to the core game design.

Axelwarrior.9084:

dom.2748:

Zypher.7609:

dom.2748:

They’ll come spinning the same story of how armor is going to be exclusively in-game rewards but fail to acknowledge that since launch we’ve received 2 additional armor sets.

Lies, so the rest of your statement does not event matter. I will only list the three quick ones that come to mind.

Carapace set
Luminescence set
Glory Set

Carapace and Luminescent is the same set. I will concede that I forgot about the glorious set. So Carapace, Glorious and Ascended. 3 sets since launch.

My statement stands true minus one mistake. You have failed to provide any real rebuttal aside from refusal to admit fact.

Plus all the armor sets in the Gem Store and the armor sets from achievement point rewards.

Except we’re specifically talking about skins as in-game rewards so… no.

Kronos.2560:

If ascended isn’t part of the recipe that really sucks for those people who actually made ascended armor sets. I find it perfectly reasonable to be able to upgrade ascended instead of deleting it because there is no use to it.

Unless they introduce some sort of rune library to legendary armor having two sets of armor with different stats and runes would still be superior to just the one legendary set so I would just keep my ascended armor for one stat set and legendary for another. If I even bother crafting the legendary armor. I’m assuming it’ll have awesome effects.

Skipping stones is the hardest jumping puzzle, hands down.

Canned Spinach?!?!

Nah, as Boss of DE 2.0 I will not tolerate any filthy dragon minions in my entourage.

You guys just got the last outfit designed for you. At least this one is ugly on everybody.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Everytime there was armor for sale in the gemstore there was posts saying how armor in the gemstore was a cash grab, ANet was greedy and armor should be in game, not something you have to buy. It seems ANet read and agreed with those posts and now armor is only an ingame reward. The people asked. ANet delivered.

Well they half delivered, they took the armor out of the gem store. And have released a ton of outfits in the gem store since. But they have yet to release any armors in game since. So saying they delivered is not actually accurate.

Zypher.7609:

dom.2748:

They’ll come spinning the same story of how armor is going to be exclusively in-game rewards but fail to acknowledge that since launch we’ve received 2 additional armor sets.

Lies, so the rest of your statement does not event matter. I will only list the three quick ones that come to mind.

Carapace set
Luminescence set
Glory Set

Carapace and Luminescent is the same set. I will concede that I forgot about the glorious set. So Carapace, Glorious and Ascended. 3 sets since launch.

My statement stands true minus one mistake. You have failed to provide any real rebuttal aside from refusal to admit fact.

You’re not going to change anybodies minds. You’re right but you’re just not going to do it.

They’ll come spinning the same story of how armor is going to be exclusively in-game rewards but fail to acknowledge that since launch we’ve received 2 additional armor sets.

Then they’ll go on about how HoT will have more armor sets when confronted with that argument. And you’ll have to point out this page http://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/game/maguuma/ which says HoT will only have 2 armor sets.

Then they will have nothing left to say other than what ifs and unconfirmeds.

RoseofGilead.8907:

dom.2748:

phys.7689:

There is no logical reason, a videogame company needs to require sms/phone verification.
I dont know much about the winauth system, but the phone thing is simply too invasive. It really doesnt matter if they will sell the information or not, they have no reason to have it. Most people would be just as annoyed if anet required people to tell them thier salaries, or what underwear they are wearing.

Also, companies get hacked, or have security lapses, or kitten off employees and get data compromised. If they do not have your data, its less likely for you to have problems. Giving out personal data should always be optional.

And to be honest, the whole extra code thing is annoying. even when i have authenticator things, i tend to not use them, because they are more annoying than they are useful.

Anyhow, probably shouldnt effect me because im an old account, but i sincerely hope they never try to push this open me.

BUt they do try to push it on you. Does it not “remind” you to do the SMS thing every time you load up the launcher? Because it does to me.

It doesn’t “remind” me to do anything about SMS.

This screen pops up basically every time I try to log in.
http://i.imgur.com/dlcmoG3.png

There is no “don’t remind me” option. It just harasses you until you give up and give them your phone number.

phys.7689:

There is no logical reason, a videogame company needs to require sms/phone verification.
I dont know much about the winauth system, but the phone thing is simply too invasive. It really doesnt matter if they will sell the information or not, they have no reason to have it. Most people would be just as annoyed if anet required people to tell them thier salaries, or what underwear they are wearing.

Also, companies get hacked, or have security lapses, or kitten off employees and get data compromised. If they do not have your data, its less likely for you to have problems. Giving out personal data should always be optional.

And to be honest, the whole extra code thing is annoying. even when i have authenticator things, i tend to not use them, because they are more annoying than they are useful.

Anyhow, probably shouldnt effect me because im an old account, but i sincerely hope they never try to push this open me.

BUt they do try to push it on you. Does it not “remind” you to do the SMS thing every time you load up the launcher? Because it does to me.

Giant boxy over-sized armor isn’t what I would describe as gorgeous. But to each their own.

Just because somebody thinks the armor is ugly doesn’t make them a naysayer. It makes them a paying customer that feels slighted because they were given an ugly outfit skin. Your opinion is not more important than somebody else because you have different tastes.

Gaebriel.3754:

Dikeido.8436:

AlliedKhajiit.2794:

As has already been stated, there’s ways to circumvent troll portals. Stop being a kittening zombie mindlessly spamming f everywhere to get your phr33 p1xel5, have some self awareness and wait for a portal to disappear or move to a different spot where you’re not underneath the portal and then press f, or use your mouse instead.

I think portal jokes are hilarious, and I’ve fallen prey of many of them, as well as being the predator. For the Megadestroyer, if you die in the lava then just WP back to the volcano, the WP is uncontested after you kill the world boss and it’s really not a big deal. Lighten up, learn to take a joke.

Are you new to GW2 ? If you are new or have just been hibernating for the last 3 years then listen up. People who defend this kind of trolling are in the same boat as those you use to defend the idea that if people don’t want to see profanity in the chat then they can just turn it off or grow a thicker skin. Well how that that story end huh ?
I’ll tell you how it end, it ended with the suspended/banned hammer falling down on people.

Oh, absolutely not, you’re just linking those things together because you apparently dislike them both. I think overt profanity and swearing at people in chat is tasteless and rude. Nasty behaviour has no place in games. But mesmer portals aren’t that, they’re just some harmless fun. And no, I’ve never done this myself. :p

It’s definitely trolling/not cool if it’s done to strangers on stuff like, an organised triple wurm run or to ‘sabotage’ pvp matches or something (if that’s a thing), but that’s not really what people are discussing here as far as I’ve seen.

The two examples were world boss events. One was a tequatl where a failed battery event is a failed Tequatl. So teleporting people to their death is a good way to fail a battery, especially the North battery where people are needed the most as it is the furthest away and most people don’t go there.

The destroyer thing is just a kitten move, no different than harassment and should result is the same punishment.

Orangensaft.7139:

wow….

everyone who wants to report those people who try to make some funny portal jokes…
they should try to remind themselves that they are playing a GAME
dont take it so serious guys
especially since you dont get any harm but losing a few seconds time …
you should have a laugh when taking a portal that leads to your death xD

i ALWAYS take random portals that i see^^
i never know what awaits me

sometimes i fall to death when taking it
sometimes i get teleported to a place where a party is going on
sometimes i get ported to weird but awesome places outside of the normal map

always worth taking a portal^^

and btw
you can only report him if he SAID his portal leads to a safe place
if not then you took it at your own risk!!

No, they should be banned. They are intentionally causing harm by placing hostile portals at locations where they can’t be seen and where people will be pressing F so they end up taking it without their knowledge.

Miss Lana Too.5794:

dom.2748:

Miss Lana Too.5794:

RoseofGilead.8907:

dom.2748:

Miss Lana Too.5794:

dom.2748:

RoseofGilead.8907:

FOX.3582:

If you don’t know it, then please do not say anything. OP is right. You can block people and keep spamming them until they block you too.

No, you can’t. If you try to whisper someone you have blocked, you get an error. You have to either unblock that person or simply appear offline. Check your facts.

OP: They’re not whispering you while they have you blocked; they’re either Invisible or are taking you off block/putting you back on block. Simply block them.

Yes you can.. It happens all the time. Please stop spreading nonsensical misinformation.

If you read the post I wrote above and looked at the picture you will see exactly what happens when you try to PM someone you blocked. It just doesn’t happen.

Try it yourself. Block someone in-game and try to send them a message. It won’t happen, I 100% guarantee it.

Sorry, I get whispers from people who have me blocked all the time. Your nonsensical anecdote is 100% meaningless.

At least now we know you’re just trolling to troll and can move on from you,

Unfortunately people like that just aren’t open to learning.

Hell, I don’t care if I’m wrong when someone corrects me. I just know that we’re both right on this one, Rose.

EDIT: I wonder if they’d take up the ‘challenge’ if I made it a bet of 100 gold…

You’re not even online. And I got no such error. Just the standard not online message that one would get when somebody isn’t online.

No, I’m not online, and this is not my main account. I never said for you to whisper me specifically.

And of course you get the offline error – because this account is offline. That’s not a terribly hard conclusion to come to. Would you like a gold star for trying? Oh snap, I’m fresh out (see I can sass too!).

Pm someone you have blocked that shows as online – without unblocking them first. Or heck, block some random who talks in map or at the bank you park at, then try it.

And done, talking to my guild leader right now. And he wants to know on TS why I am “hiding in invisible” except I’m not hiding in invisible he is just blocked. Get over your nonsense.

Miss Lana Too.5794:

RoseofGilead.8907:

dom.2748:

Miss Lana Too.5794:

dom.2748:

RoseofGilead.8907:

FOX.3582:

If you don’t know it, then please do not say anything. OP is right. You can block people and keep spamming them until they block you too.

No, you can’t. If you try to whisper someone you have blocked, you get an error. You have to either unblock that person or simply appear offline. Check your facts.

OP: They’re not whispering you while they have you blocked; they’re either Invisible or are taking you off block/putting you back on block. Simply block them.

Yes you can.. It happens all the time. Please stop spreading nonsensical misinformation.

If you read the post I wrote above and looked at the picture you will see exactly what happens when you try to PM someone you blocked. It just doesn’t happen.

Try it yourself. Block someone in-game and try to send them a message. It won’t happen, I 100% guarantee it.

Sorry, I get whispers from people who have me blocked all the time. Your nonsensical anecdote is 100% meaningless.

At least now we know you’re just trolling to troll and can move on from you,

Unfortunately people like that just aren’t open to learning.

Hell, I don’t care if I’m wrong when someone corrects me. I just know that we’re both right on this one, Rose.

EDIT: I wonder if they’d take up the ‘challenge’ if I made it a bet of 100 gold…

You’re not even online. And I got no such error. Just the standard not online message that one would get when somebody isn’t online.

Yeah, it really is a big troll. I mean I don’t see any real reason for mounts personally but I wouldn’t be opposed to them as they wouldn’t do any actual harm. Also it would be another thing for me to work towards collecting them all.

Miss Lana Too.5794:

dom.2748:

RoseofGilead.8907:

FOX.3582:

If you don’t know it, then please do not say anything. OP is right. You can block people and keep spamming them until they block you too.

No, you can’t. If you try to whisper someone you have blocked, you get an error. You have to either unblock that person or simply appear offline. Check your facts.

OP: They’re not whispering you while they have you blocked; they’re either Invisible or are taking you off block/putting you back on block. Simply block them.

Yes you can.. It happens all the time. Please stop spreading nonsensical misinformation.

If you read the post I wrote above and looked at the picture you will see exactly what happens when you try to PM someone you blocked. It just doesn’t happen.

Try it yourself. Block someone in-game and try to send them a message. It won’t happen, I 100% guarantee it.

Sorry, I get whispers from people who have me blocked all the time. Your nonsensical anecdote is 100% meaningless.

RoseofGilead.8907:

FOX.3582:

If you don’t know it, then please do not say anything. OP is right. You can block people and keep spamming them until they block you too.

No, you can’t. If you try to whisper someone you have blocked, you get an error. You have to either unblock that person or simply appear offline. Check your facts.

OP: They’re not whispering you while they have you blocked; they’re either Invisible or are taking you off block/putting you back on block. Simply block them.

Yes you can.. It happens all the time. Please stop spreading nonsensical misinformation.

Obtena.7952:

dom.2748:

Obtena.7952:

There is a trade system … the TP. It exists so you don’t get scammed.

You have a signature that says “anet, please stop treating players like idiots” and then say stuff like players will be scammed. Lol

I don’t get the LOLZ here … Anet’s got a system for players to safely trade. The link in my signature is something entirely different.

Only idiots get scammed, and yet you say we’re not idiots so.. there would be no harm in a trade system.