A.net needs to become a parent now?
I’m already contemplating playing Halo 4 rather than WvW. I also didn’t think WvW would be so computer-intensive since GW2 was supposed to be a casual play lol.
So then you will switch to another game in the same amount of time then I guess.
bottom line: where the devs at? you’d think they’d fix on gamebreaking issues but i guess arenanet doesn’t have the manpower to do it
such is the price of having no subscription i suppose, they simply cannot adress the issues plaguing guild wars 2
Bottom line is I’m tired of listening you “kids” who late any patience kitten and moan some more.
Culling issue is being fixed in the patch, really that is the main thing wrong with thief.
The thief has to get near someone to continuously stealth.
Been a bit since I played my thief, but.. no they dont. Leap finisher + smoke field. Add in things like strategically used shadow refuge, and c&d on stragglers near perimeter (including npc mobs), and it is really quite easy to remain stealthed using a variety of methods.
They can all be countered, but as someone who stopped playing thief because it felt cheap (so take it for what its worth), I dont think this extent of permastealth was intended. Even with zero culling issues, it remains a problem. Albeit, a slightly smaller one.
Without culling it becomes more then “slightly smaller” I already track thieves for days on my necro with marks.
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seems I must have amazing luck.
Bug rarely happens for me anymore and didn’t happen that often to begin with. Makes me wonder if there is some variables that are causing it.
Nice gameplay, but its hardly unique. Look up Wild Bill for example, hes been doing it a long time.
Yea, really he is the only thief I find impressive till they fix the render bug
kitten I don’t find anything I pull impressive because of the bug
Sword skill ‘3’ does NOT have a internal Cooldown, it cripples every time.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Leg_Specialist
It does not have an internal cooldown, it works every cripple.
Think people miss the real reason why a good amount of people complain.
“What we knew”? He never said the warrior was directly in his face firing kill shot, like what you and the other guy are claiming. I’m giving you one of the possible situations in which this happened, whereas you’re giving one where the thief always has the advantage. How is that any better than what I did, when mine is completely viable?
what we knew was he used pin down to immobilize him (longbow skill) and kill shot to mess him up (gun skill)
On another note he could have placed a seed turret block, etc etc.
So right now, I’m understanding that, supposedly, he should have been able to do all of this in a very small time window. Isn’t this what everyone’s arguing against? Thief is supposed to be “impossible to counter” because it’s too fast.
Nice assumption sir.
How did you not dodge the HB?
Did you have no endurance + Withdraw on CD?
Whats your offhand weapon set?
As a thief, my biggest fear is the sword/warhorn warriors or axe/warhorn warriors.
Comparing a First tier trait (10 points.) to a (30 points trait.) is pretty silly though, dazing for 1 second every steal is very terrible for what you have to sacrifice for it. (30 points into the condition tree for a direct damage move…)Warriors however can use Sword’s 1 to get a cripple every 3 autoattacks and immobilize every 3 autoattacks, then “http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Opportunist_” Gain fury from that and with boon duration, get pretty much perma fury.
With Warhorn you can get Perma Swiftness/Vigor and EXCELLENT condition removal.
I’m not seeing where they get immobilize from auto attacks
Lets see, “Leg Specialist” (minor trait.) 10 trait vitality. (tactics tree.)
Immobilize Target when your Cripple.Sword’s 3 combo has a cripple.
I play a 80 warrior and an 80 thief.
are you talking about
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Final_Thrust
or
If he’s started kill shot, which he more than likely did since no thief is going to waste their stealth while immobilized (since you can still be attacking), going stealth does not interrupt channeled abilities. This means he has more than enough time to start kill shot after Bolas before the thief uses Hide in Shadows.
Wait you said he could be behind, so can’t be attacking him then.
Good to see you took what we knew from the fight and went and made it into a totally different fight. Nice job.
I’m really confused. What part of “his break stun could have been on CD” didn’t you understand? If Shadowstep is on CD (if he even has it on the slot, since the supposedly OP Backstab build doesn’t use it) – and Steal is already on CD since he said the warrior was dodging all his moves – and the warrior is behind him, what do you possibly think he can do to interrupt him? You can’t turn around while immobilized.
Mean any ability that shadow steps, I hear you can use the shortbow to gain the distance outside the kill kitten.
As a thief, my biggest fear is the sword/warhorn warriors or axe/warhorn warriors.
Comparing a First tier trait (10 points.) to a (30 points trait.) is pretty silly though, dazing for 1 second every steal is very terrible for what you have to sacrifice for it. (30 points into the condition tree for a direct damage move…)Warriors however can use Sword’s 1 to get a cripple every 3 autoattacks and immobilize every 3 autoattacks, then “http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Opportunist_” Gain fury from that and with boon duration, get pretty much perma fury.
With Warhorn you can get Perma Swiftness/Vigor and EXCELLENT condition removal.
I’m not seeing where they get immobilize from auto attacks
Hide in Shadows does nothing to immobilize.
Shadow Refuge does nothing to immobilize.
Can’t hit you with kill shot if he doesn’t see you.
Withdraw is pretty awful. No one is going to use it when thief already lacks condition removal options, and Hide in Shadows give you this. It’s a very niche ability, and one that is outclassed even on those builds.
Smoke Screen can’t be used behind you. Also pretty bad as a whole and rarely used.
Roll for initiative has a 60 second CD and is rarely used. It could have been on CD or he could have not had it.
Scorpion Wire has 900 range and can’t be used behind you.
Headshot has 900 range and is a pistol off-hand ability, which he more than likely didn’t have. Also can’t be used behind you.
sigh…
Also I forgot you could shadow step away or to the warrior also.
But those pesky Bow+Gun warriors are all the rage.
Edit: People seem to be way to focused on the “immobilize”
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These people complaining would have never survived in real PvP/PK environments like UO.
I’m kinda doubting you were in UO long.
Blade Trail actually does A lot of Damage, Steals daze is a 30 point trait, blade trail isn’t.
Nobody takes steals “daze” trait unless they are a condition thief.
Well Blade trail is currently bugged where is can hit for kitten amounts of damage.
Excuse him that he couldn’t evade while immobilized.
Hide in Shadows
Withdraw
Shadow Refuge
Smoke Screen
Roll for Initiative
Scorpion Wire
Headshot
pretty sure Im missing a few.
So today I had an encounter with a warrior who knew how to dodge my backstab, knew how to counter it, used immobilization on me(pin down, it was called, rendering my stealth useless) then proceeded to switch to his rifle, and use killshot for 9K instantly killing me, but hey, thief is the only one that’s OP, right? Because burst doesn’t exist elsewhere, right? Because there aren’t other classes that have the same amount of damage, right? Because there aren’t players that know how to counter thief, right? (sarcasm, if you didn’t understand).
Want me to post the pictures then ask.
Don’t know which is more sad that you countered you perfectly or that you couldn’t evade a killshot.
We should make it where Necromancers can’t death shroud in capture zones.
We should make it where Rangers can’t use pets in capture zones.
We should make it where Warriors can’t switch weapons in capture zones.
We should make it where Elementalists can’t switch attunements in capture zones.
We should make it where Mesmers can’t use mantras in capture zones.
We should make it where Guardians virtues don’t work and can’t be activated in capture zones.
We should make it where Engineers can’t use kits in capture zones.Please think about what you say, this spec is only good for this one thing, it is almost useless on a 1v1 fight because you would either have no initiative, and as soon as your leap finisher hit a target you would get revealed, so you cannot backstab using it.
I missed where any of those make you invisible while contesting.
hahaha how sad is this right here. cross server alts from either BP or AR flaming me for killing a bunch of them with only myself and my friend. seriously, your argument is invalid and just shows the sportsmanship of some realms. Its sad, i honestly thought these past few weeks have been fun. Well if being good at WvW makes me a noob zerger night capper blah blah blah, so be it; just gives me more satisfaction when i see those red names running from me =)
GoM keep up the good work! we are obviously getting in their heads.
Interesting and sad if it truly was a alt….but I see carebear is being thrown in when it makes no sense to use.
1) We don’t need bigger maps, we need different mechanics and some changes to make the maps feel bigger.
2) Such as?
3) That’s PvE, not PvP. If they added that we would have to hear how PvPers are griefing the people in the dungeons who are trying to PvE on a WvW map. I would be one of those people killing the PvEers in the dungeon just because they are taking a spot from a PvPer.
4) See above.
5) Orbs were taken away. That helped a lot.
6) Hope not, would create more imbalance and would make it harder for new players to get into WvW.
7) You mean the XXX Invader [TAG] thing? Why?
8) I hope not. That would make WvW into more of an individual thing and not a team based thing.
9) Cosmetic I am fine with – anything that gives any type of edge whatsoever – hell no.
1) No, I think we need bigger maps.
3) A dungeon I wouldn’t mind, I’ve done PvP-dungeons in other games before and they were fun stuff.
6) Don’t assume something like DAoC stuff could be minor or fluff stuff.
Frustrated that there are people camping the Eternal Battlegrounds jumping puzzle 24/7? Really want that awesome loot, but can’t get enough people together to kill the griefers? Well, there is a solution to your problem! All you need is this: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mad_Memories:_Complete_Edition
Here is a video that I made showing you how it’s done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo2DAWy2W_4
PS you took the long way through dark room.
Also doesn’t stop arrow cart spam, necro marks, mines, etc lol
I completely agree that they should fix the rendering issues ASAP though. Supposedly the next patch will do so. We’ll see.
God I hope so, really I’m fine with the burst just not seeing them most of the time just annoys me to no end.
I don’t think you could ever balance WvW, too many factors. PvE/WvW should be grouped together as they’re closely intertwined. PvP should definitely have its own balancing though.
Agreed, I never understood back when I played WoW, why they never did it.
Class changes made for PvP ended up hurting the class PvE so many times year after year.
Balancing around a minority at the top is far better than balancing around low skill level. You balance around the high end, and you know that it’s not a L2P issue, as the people having problems with backstab are most definitely experiencing. If something is strong at low skill levels and balanced at high skill levels, you know without a doubt that you can overcome the obstacle by getting better at the game. If you balance around low skill level and that makes it less effective at high end where it was already balanced, then you’re nerfing players who took the time to learn how to play in favor of players who can’t be arsed with bettering themselves, as this thread’s title points out.
See the problem from a business point of view is that you piss off many low skill/casual/mid-level/etc players with that, which can cause them to leave and make people avoid it…..that and WvW and sPvP are so different.
still fixing the rendering bug and separating WvW from PvE/sPvP for changes would do fine.
Yeah, that about covers it. How many mug/backstab burst builds do you see in high end paid tourneys? And for that matter, how many pistol whip thieves did you see in high end paid tourneys?
Always disliked how a game as a whole gets balanced around a minority….but anyways.
Really I think they should just separate sPvP and WvW balancing.
Really I think the issue is still the rendering more then anything else….at least for me
@Awe Blizzard have long story of nerfing classes that don’t need nerf,and closing their eyes for classes that need nerf(cough …frost mage… cough).
Anyway this is GW2,and here as always whiners are putting every thief build as Backstab build.And this is sooo wrong.Even with BS(assuming BS combo needs nerf),the problem isn’t in BS itself,more like with C&D+Steal+BS fast execution.
I always laughed at people wanting nerfs in WoW for PvP…..people seem to forget that the game was PvE focused till Blizzard wanted to push “e-sports”…..never understood why they never separated the PvP and PvE
Seriously didn’t think I would have people from my own server (BP) complaining about Jumping puzzle camping.
Really I think once the render issue gets fixed a good amount of QQ will die down.
Really its my only issue….even though I do hate thief mobility lol
Separate sPvP and WvW problem solved.
Now I remember why I stopped checking out these treads, full of kitten drama.
QQ some more. all your post comes down to is you saying, “I WANT TO KEEP MY GOLD!” Instead of realizing that WvW is meant to be an endgame gold sink(hence gold costs for siege + upgrades). Also, your stating that your not a team player, because you would rather keep your precious gold than help out your team. way to be a team player.
Gold sink.
What is a Gold sink?
Its where you pour your earned money to in turn make a profit (in essence, it can also be used in its more literal sense to pour money so that you dont hit Gold cap).
The issue here is that pouring gold into this sink will result in having no more gold to pour.
You run out entirely because you are not making a profit.Where, then, do you get your blueprints?
3 of the 4 puzzles are broken. And if you’re not good at puzzles or the enemy servers are camping them, your only option is to buy. But how can you buy when you spent every last copper on a gold sink that didn’t give you a profit?This, little scrubling, is the issue the OP is referring to.
Not sure if trolling about gold sink…..or just “misinformed”
Why do they need to do changes for you when it sounds like you’ll just get bored of it again quickly and ask for more changes again?
Maybe the reason people still play WoW is friends, investment, etc?
I’m sorry GW2 isn’t fun for you?
Play something else?
epicsmooth.7825
Im sorry, but I shouldn’t have to ‘handle bugs’ and certainly not the amount that gw2 has.
Now I doubt you have played a MMO in your whole life.
Why would I stop playing video games? Perhaps you mean I should stop playing video games filled with bugs? I agree, I think we should all stop having to do that.
so stop playing games, no game is not filled with bugs
Swizzle.7982
Maybe you should just stop playing games, since you can’t seem to handle bugs at all.
Funny how Arenanet prides itself in making a game which you don’t have to group up in ever, but yet they make events that forces you to…
Sounds like you should be playing a SP game
Did you guys get anything for beating him?
You get amazing xp if you are leveling.
On my level 51 I got almost 3 levels from killing him
Guess reading is hard when it recommends 5 players.
Also you dont need to be 80 to do it
@Kimbald.2697
Wait how so? The event is un-fun because of the act 2 book? When you can and have access to EVERYTHING else in the event?
Hiding works, hopefully no one leads them to you though….has happened to me before.
Although I can understand that the more gifted and experienced players among us seek a challenge, there are people who have sadly issues which prevent them from finishing this JP, for example:
- Age.
- Disabilities.
- Slow reflexes.Cant stop laughing. “I cant complete the dungeon because im a 70IQ blind person with only 1 hand, Its not right that not all people can enjoy the content. NERF IT!”
Spoken by someone who obviously has never had to struggle with such things or watch someone they love do so. And, I hope to goodness, you never do. It’s not easy having your entire life narrowed down severely and even when you log into a game to get away from it for a while, have it slap you in the face there as well. Again, I hope you never have to face those things or ever have to watch -your- child struggle with them only to be mocked by people like you on forums such as these knowing there is nothing you can do to help them enjoy those things people like you take for granted.
I’m sorry but everyone is not equal, it sucks but that’s life.
Fixes the camera issues and what not.
don’t touch the puzzle itself.
@Colbear.6425
To bad this is a bad fix. They could have easily altered the loot table of the chests instead
uhhh you guys realize that Anet responded to player complains?? didnt u see how many people were complaining about not being able to get anything? the drop rates of BLC so rare and they were spending hundreds of dollars into it? how bout all the extremely harsh things calling anet malicious and onwards? and not getting rewarded for being part of the halloween event… saying Anet is trying to make people spend their resources and onwards. there is so much complaining.
Yes the drop rates are a bit too much right now and people will be farming the heck out of this but Anet is trying to be really nice and give u guys things for free….. now you’re complaining you’re being given too much??? omg. that is just unreasonable.
also i dont think this will last forever. itll probably change by act 3
well its a assumption they listened to people for all we know they had this planned from the start but people complained up a storm on act 1 of 4 total acts.
IKR. What’s the purpose of an event if you don’t get any rewards? Where’s the fun and excitement?
Memoire questline was fun, the brawl is okay….but the lack of rewards is disappointing. The shield and staff you can craft is probably the most disappointing in this event, the shortbow looks awesome. I play as a warrior and i don’t really have any use for a shortbow.
GG WP ArenaNet, you won the “son, i’m disappointed” title of the year.
someone seems to have a short attention span…..or I wasn’t informed act 1 really meant 1-4
Wow he went to pure flame mode.
Really I just don’t understand how getting through 1/4 acts forces such opinions.
If getting a refund makes them screw me over even more by closing my account, then so be it. The game is okay but not to the point where I will cry over it. I have my choice of many other games to play, this being one of my more recent purchases. So as the saying goes, “It’s no skin off my back.”
How did they “screw you over” in any way?
You took a chance, on an item that was clearly stated to have a chance of appearing, and chance was not in your favor. How much money did you actually spend that you are irrate?
I spent enough to know what a stupid mistake I had made. I wanted to support ArenaNet but I’ve learned my lesson. My refund through the card company has already been initiated and with that said, I might not be around that much longer.
Ok, we will see what happens.
Im guessing you spent $100 or so? Are you an impulse buyer in general, that you know how to get around the policies? Just curious.
I spent $50. I’ve worked for various companies and I’ve learned all the tricks to getting your way with credit card companies. Most of which would probably have my game account locked but like I said before, this isn’t the only game I play. On top of this I play WoW, EVE, Mechwarrior Online, Minecraft, Tera, Planetside 2, LoL, FFXI, Diablo 3, Starcraft II and many more lol.
Yet fun in a game for you is getting the skin you want?
Sounds like gaming shouldn’t be your hobby.
Sigh. Saved the killstreak boosters for this because they’re worthless. Only to find I can’t use them? FML.
Yea, not sure why they are even a booster truthfully
If that helps you get through the day.
I would like nothing better than to have a fairly even third opponent in our matches, and since the one week matches AR has never had that. At least BP got to play down in the bottom tier and experience a week of what it feels to be a big server, AR has not had that since day 1. If you want to sit back and make excuses as to why you aren’t in second place, and blame the big mean Anvil Rock (almost spit out my drink on that one), that’s fine. You have people on your server that are saying AR players are inferior to your players, that AR is playing for second, etc. Fact is, both servers lack a basic thing, over all coverage. If the best excuse you have for coming in dead last every time you go up against AR is that we are playing for second, then why, oh why, mighty oracle, don’t you play for second as well??
Seems someone didn’t read my post….or you must be in that craft guild.
Also why would someone want to play for 2nd?
People still complain about the unimpressive goon? (they were really only kinda impressive in EvE)
Use siege on them….at least till they up or remove the AoE (I hope they do that)
All I got to say is right now AR is pushing in BP BL…..kinda reeks of “2nd place seeking”
edit: nevermind see its the fail guild craft
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Corpse dancing, jumping and other humilation tactics -- When are they acceptable?
in WvW
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I dance, laugh, etc on every coat-tailing glass cannon thief I see.