Engineers : im not seeing any post where people complain about this classes while they are really amazing hard
You were doing good with your post till here.
Engineer is laughable besides bunker….which shouldn’t even kill you.
Really Culling just needs to be fixed bad.
No it’s not the worst PVP MMO ever, certainly not. But it’s certainly not the best either. I’d rate DAOC, Rift, GW1 and WOW higher than GW2, in roughly that order.
What kills GW2 PVP is that the skill and trait system is a total disappointment. There is not nearly enough build/skill diversity. Considering this was the shining jewel in the first game it’s hard to fathom how they could have dropped the ball so badly here.
Downed state is a massive step backwards as well. Too much effort wasted on underwater, downed and environmental skills IMO.
Not sure how someone puts WoW PvP above GW2….
WoW PvP is and has always been a joke.
are u on crack? better pvp than any mmo wow . if u call 3 shotting people and zerging pvp then yeah best kitten out there…
Have to wonder if you have played PvP in the other MMOs at all.
I know DB does not use anything like that. We don’t need to and don’t want to because then we would have to rely on it if we move to the higher tiers.
Grain of salt.
PvP happened in a PvP area.
I don’t get why people cry about this……………
Ele downed state sucks, yet im not complaining and i don’t have a problem with downed state.
People need to realize that its part of the game.
Get used to it or go L2P.
also, competition time:
how many threads can you link crying about the downed state?
Damn didn’t know mist form was that bad
In the mean time I love my 1000+ crit with autoattack Ranger.
Auto-attack rifle engineer has had 1200-1400+ crit at 50-70% crit rate since before launch. And unlike your ranger, due to piercing, a single rifle shot can hit multiple foes. It’s posts like these that make me wonder if the people in this thread ever even tried a non-grenade build.
Have you seen the “rifle is poor damage”posts prior to patch? I was just sitting there scratching my head.
Engi rifle auto attack is like the #2 highest dps ability after grenades in the game..
For engineer?
Kinda vague in your post.
This is beyoned unfair and goes against everything Arenanet has done with the gem store.
Sounds exactly like halloween, actually.
Are these the minis that you can make buy getting materials from the tixx dungeon without spending a dime, btw?
Actually, Halloween had a Halloween Mini-Pack that you could buy. It gave you all three minis, and then you could toss those minis in the Mystic Forge to get a “super” mini. There was no random/lottery for them. You could buy them straight up.
These new minis on the other hand, can only be obtained through the lottery chests. So someone could spend 100 dollars on lottery chests, and not get a single mini. Or alternatively, spend 100 dollars, and get 30 of the same exact mini. And they are account bound so you are stuck with those 30 duplicates, that you have to either bank or destroy since you can’t sell them.
They are talking about the minis from the Wintersday Lottery Chests in the gem store, not the ones from the new dungeon.
from what I read you could get the quag from the giant gifts at a low chance
Wait what?
I thought they were WAY easy just take a while to kill.
Maybe my necro is just to beastly.
Seems like a scaling issue with these mobs.
I wouldn’t know, since been doing them in frostgorge sound.
Wait what?
I thought they were WAY easy to kill all at the same time, just they have a lot of HP
Maybe my necro is just to beastly.
With the trait Mark of Evasion when I dodge with a enemy near me that triggers the mark I don’t dodge away I dodge in place.
I think everyone’s overreacting just a bit. Yeah, the nerf on skill 1 is sad, but it’s not going to do as much as people think.
1 is your bread and butter, but 2’s shrapnel grenade is ready to go every 4-5 tosses. And now 3, the flash grenade, with a mere 8-10 second cooldown, has damage on it. Add in the fact that 5: poison grenade is now viciously powerful… Well, I’d say there’s a lot of fun to still be had.
Also, aren’t most Grenade builds using crit/pow or crit/condi? If you’re using Pistol/Pistol or Pistol/Shield, you get two sigils. Earth and Fragility for condition, or Accuracy and Force for sheer damage. Or Accuracy and Strength to get yourself some awesome might stacking in addition to all your Vulnerable stacking.
Try it before you kitten on it.
look a couple posts up
Get over it.
I’ve been on a lot of MMO forums before but some of the Arenanet supporters are downright delusional. In this patch they buffed:
1. thieves
They buffed PISTOLS, which are none to be below average compared to daggers and shortbow.
You truly don’t know a thing about Thieves.
More then half of the Thief buffs are towards their Pistol capabilities.Was there a single post on the forums complaining about OP engineers? I defy you to find a single one.
I can find DOZENS. You’ve clearly got a selective memory problem.
Yea thanks for buffing pistol my P/D thief already destroyed before this patch with it.
WRONG.
That’s not how real game-balance works for regular-update MMOs. I know because I play LoL, and they do this ALL THE TIME. And a few LoL designers worked very closely with ANet in the development of GW2.
Developers will put out what’s ready to be shipped.
This time, it was sigils and they needed to get the nerf out first. The stats come later.
And yes, that does mean an overall nerf for the time being.
Get over it.
Oh no wonder people from LoL are in on it…..some of the worse balancers in a game I’ve seen.
Also have to wonder how many MMOs you have played, but hey just means I retire my engineer for months till they maybe get the stats patch out.
So nerf the only kit they buts eng on par with other classes…..makes sense.
Yeah, it does make sense:
Cause they plan to make kits scale with weapon damage too – Confirmed by a red post
Cmon, keep up, people! You’re all so behind the curve.
Are you from the future? so we can know the date?
Totally saw this coming!
You guys who are griping over this just don’t get it.Competitively speaking, Grenades overshadow every single kit. A similar nerf would have happened, with or without the sigils-change.
Also: Don’t any of you dare ignore the fact that Flash grenades and poison grenades now do damage when they explode. That is a legitimate buff in its own right.
So nerf the only kit they buts eng on par with other classes…..makes sense.
Now even less reason to play my engi over my guard or warrior in dungeons. Cool!
Pretty much same boat.
Rather play any of my other characters now.
I’m sorry if players are unhappy I’m reporting this, but I am part of the community and I believe the game should be played as it was intended, not going into dungeons and finding ways to skip parts, that’s not a good way to enjoy the game.
Nice job forcing people to enjoy the game how you want it.
I don’t really have an issue with stealth as a warrior. Thieves are squishy and the easiest class to kill. I can’t remember the last time one killed me other than maybe if I was on auto run looking at the map.
Mesmers don’t have stealth enough for it to really matter.
I think that as the skill level of players increase, they will find that the stealth classes are not that strong.
On my necro always comes down to them jumping me, then I proceed to kitten their face in and they ran far far away so they never seen me again…..gets old for me.
if you haven’t figured out to use the invisiblity then i dont think you really deserve the reward…
This only works against bad campers.
Good ones will have traps, marks, etc all over to break stealth.
But less QQ about PvP happening.
The only games that allowed unlimited AoE targetting would end up grinding to a complete stop when a huge force started getting AE’d in a chokepoint. The sheer amount of calculation and bandwidth requirement pretty much murdered servers in past MMOs.
Soooo why did I never have issues with it in those MMOs?
Are you saying you prefer face rolling or 2 second fights ? Explain what is even remotely enjoyable about running up to another player hitting 2 keys and watching them implode (slight exaggeration but you get the point) ? I mean don’t get me wrong there are people who enjoy this but they usually play FPS.
Or if you agree with my theory of longer fights being more rewarding and enjoyable why bother trying to make an argument ?
I enjoy both all depends on my mood at the time.
But doesn’t matter because there are people in all 3 camps who find whichever more enjoyable/rewarding.
Regardless there is still never a reason for any class to hit anyone for 2/3 of there health with one attack. Why not just buff weapons to encompass all armor stats as well and let everyone run around naked 1 shotting each other.
Glass cannons kill glass cannons like so.
Some bad Warriors in here. You do not have to give up damage, for defense.
My Warrior has over 3k attack, 3k armor, 27k hit points, and 70% critical once I enter combat. Slot the Superior Sigil that grants 30% chance to lifesteal on crit, and use the food that grans 66% to lifesteal on crit, while utilizing shout heals on top of one of your weapon sets being two weapons, so the second weapon gives lifesteal on weapon swap, and you’re doing both insane damage, and have insane defense capabilities.
In WvW my Warrior hands down is tankier than my Guardian, and my Warrior can do easily 5 times the damage my Guardian does. I’ve shown other Warriors complaining about their class that I can solo Supply Camps, with the Claimant having the immunity buff, and keep him busy until the buff wears off, and kill him. Not once getting below half health.
Warriors do not need to do that much damage with Kill Shot, or Eviscerate in order to be viable, and in a game where you’re paying attention to more than just the Warriors, you’re going to get hit with these abilities, and Kill Shot also works with Piercing. When I was running with a Rifle, I’d get multiple high hits, as the shot traveled its full distance.
So you changed out crit damage for vit and toughtness.
So you gave up damage for defense….
Skilled players don’t fear balance, they welcome it.
Seems you are confusing WvW and sPvP
Most PvP players that have played for years will agree that battles that have a duration are A: more rewarding and B: more enjoyable. That and the fact that they know how to assist/focus while grp’d so things melt without stupidly high burst.
So what about the rest of the player base? besides the small group you talk about?
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Thief
OMG 20k damage using all utilities, so once every 45 seconds, with steal-cnd-backstab from melee range and has to hit in the back to pull off that damage. Forum rages calls for nerfs.Warrior
20k damage, not melee but 1500 range no less, once every 45 seconds i’d guess to charge up the adrenaline, no specific angle required. Forum mentions it but who cares right. Warriors should only get buffs.kitten?
I didn’t ever mind backstab, still don’t. I don’t particularly mind this either. However get some consistency, if backstab rotations are broken this is too, perhaps even more so.
Backstab is only broken right now because of culling.
Thief players kitten and moan and bad as the QQers
Engineer video was in September.
Ele video is deleted.
Rangers could 100-0 people during beta but we are talking about now, not then.
Good to know you are not up on the times.
Lol this is exactly right, but there are so many dopey kitten on this forum who are, as you said “glass cannon this, glass cannon that” and don’t know kitten.
I know they guy you are quoting is pretty much glass cannon….he just switches crit damage for vit.
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Had a great laugh an hour ago at a ranger from the guild Black Arrow? (BA) from SF who was using gZoom but still was getting killed.
I do it against thief for those rare moments they get me and only till they fix the culling.
Sorry I can’t see you then I’ll be logging out.
Love being a necro, means no stealthing by for the enemy.
What changed with Necro’s recently? They use to be speed bumps, and free Badges of Honor like Rangers, but lately I’ve been running into Necromancers that are kicking my teeth in.
I might have to level my wifes Necromancer to learn the class, and how best to counter them. I have to say the Necromancer is the only class I know nothing about.
Called necros finally getting fixes, so many of their traits and skills have been bugged/notworking since release.
Ok i bolded out the parts that i saw an issue with. not very many wants to man siege because you’re the focus of target as well as it’s boring. second one you can’t attempt this during a siege, only after your defending your keep in which case you fail, and if the enemy group is smart and good they will sweep you out, unless you have a couple of thieves with you to perma stealth you. Portal bombing a camp is viable yes, but its not really a siege, its just a mass slaughter because you don’t place down siege except for the enemy team who defending might place down AC and balistas in which case you would counter with siege as well, but in most case you can just run through camps no siege. last one, you don’t get anything for supporting your team, such as a good aoe skill like chaos storm, theyre great supportive skills but to be honest theres a lot of better support classes than a mesmer.
Ok re-roll then, clearly you are playing the wrong class.
It can be pretty annoying not being able to attack anything but the door during a tower or keep siege. Even people really close to edge of the wall are basically immune to your attacks. Before at least I could throw a phantasm up there every 20-30 seconds. One that would get off one attack and be killed. Now I can put up one chaos storm, and stare at my opponents in the hopes that one of them will jump up onto the wall edge and I’ll be able to pull him down.
sorry warriors have it off worse.
Thieves has already been explained. Weak aoe on short bow and not much else to plant on a wall.
That is not a weak AoE
Whats with all the carebears?
Killshot and 100 blades were left alone and warriors actually got a buff! Lol that’s a surprise, Anet sure are pros when it comes to balancing classes!
But seriously, moral of the story: complaining on forums is a more viable strategy than learning how to play. Why try outdoing your opponent when you can just cry for fundamental gameplay changes?
People still complaining they can’t dodge, LoS, etc HB or killshot.
Pulling random numbers out of the air must be fun, even more fun to base all your information on a fan-site giving an average report, but well we all knew this fanboy thread would be made eventually.
Oh and same as above, 4 of my friends and 13 of my guildies all precursors, 0.2% drop chance I’m sure….
Wait this coming from mister “40%” to “25%”?
The percentage does not matter. It could be 1%, but the fact remains, a one time event that left a large chunk of the world at a disadvantage, allowed others to get those items via the 1% RNG factor.
I would guess in a dungeon or a world boss chest, there would be two treasure tables. One used to determine level/type of item and the other to determine the item. It seems in Lost Shores, the first treasure table was done away with and everyone automatically got exotics (which then allowed the 1% precursor win factor).
Not good planning on Anet’s behalf really.
You must be new to MMOs.
Hundreds pissed at ANet at the moment.
Not a very good time to post this buddy.
Anyway, congrats with the Spark.Hundreds? More like thousands.
have some data to support this?
Well considering the thread about getting DCed before the chest has almost 1000 posts in it I don’t think this is much of a leap. I’m guessing everybody on my overflow when everyone simultaneously crashed near the end was not very happy. And everybody on the next overflow when the server was taken down for the patch was probably not very happy. The vast majority of those people aren’t even posting here. So yea, I think thousands is a fair estimate.
Thanks to the folks that got people into overflows, though. They were great.
so you went through and read each post to make sure they were pissed and only posted once in the thread?
Hundreds pissed at ANet at the moment.
Not a very good time to post this buddy.
Anyway, congrats with the Spark.Hundreds? More like thousands.
have some data to support this?
@epicsmooth, no they weren’t, not without an excuse, if just as an example, the drops had been a fixed 2 rares and 2 exotics, without a chance for precursors, and everyone got 2 rares and 2 exotics, how would people possibly complain about that? They wouldn’t because no one would feel at a disadvantage or cheated, even if others got exotics that were ‘worth’ more, I promise you no one would rage the way they are now.
Yep, haven’t seen this proved wrong already just in GW2….oh wait.
Problem is, it was not just a ‘small’ bit of difference in terms of reward worth between those who got the precursors and those who did not, the difference is massive, about 4g to 150g in average, huge gap.
So what?
@Bob, no it was poorly designed because tons of players feel bitter and cheated and everyone is raging at each-other, (At least this is the case on my server) I actually were hesitant about saying anything or making a thread as I thought it was just me, but after seeing how much and how many people were fighting over this, I thought I may as well put my opinion forward so that ‘maybe’ something will happen and change for the future. What’s done is done, I doubt they will be mailing precursors to everyone who did not get it, though, learning from their mistake and admitting it could certainly help, I dunno, ‘ease’ the tension?
No matter what people were going to feel “bitter” or “cheated” or whatever, people love to kitten and moan about anything.
Problem is they -were- handed out like candy in this event, the drop rate was as high as 25% at least, whereas in the rest of the world, and even in Zommoros MF, its as low as 1% if not lower, that’s my point, its not like 5 people out of 100 got precursors, more like 45-50 did, that’s what leaves a bitter taste, you did not have to be ‘lucky’ to get a precursor in the event, you were simply ‘unlucky’ if you didnt, which is a terrible and poorly thought out system to give players items and wealth that take months and months to acquire in normal game circumstances.
Sooo went from 40% to 25% now….
I said this three times now, if I’m seeing people in a few of my guilds, and people on map-chat, even at this hour, basically a day after the event, at each-others throats, then something is wrong.
Because people have envy.
I gotta wonder if you would use the “Its just a game.” excuse, if say ANet decided to suddenly either take all your gold, or make your character start from level 1, humor me, just say they had their reasons, you’d be cool with that? 100%?
terrible argument is amazing terrible.
People have to much envy of others
What a joke! Make us sit and GRIND through a bunch of horrible annoying mobs, and then DC us and give no reward. Thanks for helping us chose a game to play… NOT THIS ONE.
And nothing of value was lost.
The only lesser rewards I can think of is NOTHING. You guys are in denial—- the rewards SUCKED. 2 and a half hours for a 20 slot bag and some rares and exotics that do not apply to my toon I was on? Get real. Glad it’s over and I hope it never comes back.
Oh I’m sorrying they didn’t give you 5 legendary items, 500,000 karma, and 500 gold.
Got a bunch of lv 60 trash items as reward.
Wish someone actually let us know “It is recommended to do event on your lv 80 character or you’ll receivie completely useless rewards”
Im thinking if everyone who wasn’t lvl 80 got precursors/exotics the prices would plummet into nothing
I’m fine with that. But wish someone actually mention rewards will scale. I chose to do event with my lv60 Warrior instead of lv80 Thief. If i knew I’m gonna get screwed with loot, I’ld take the other char :|
Common sense, says being on a lvl 60 means you dont get lvl 80 loot
turning level 70-80 blues that sell for like 60c into 8 Commendations is good for me. I’m just going to pick up keys anyways, because if halloween is any hint….those chests will skins for christmas also.
At worse I get more black lion kits and maybe some rare tonics
I like killing the elemental better
The event is crap. Plain and simple. You can do more than enough damage, kill many mobs, and not be able to loot. So, the world event portion is garbage, because the lag kills any point in participation.
Because the lag sure.
That is bugged too, with key NPCs missing or not doing anything.
Yep, but being fixed.
No biggie, you can do the Fractals. Oh wait….
They get frozen, drop you, bug out, etc.
seems you have terrible luck? I’ve ran them for like 6+ hours today with friends and random and no one I know had any issues.
Also seems early QQ about phase 1 of 3 just like halloween again
I’m waiting for the programmer who works for “some other mmo” to come in here and give everyone a lecture on how hard it is to unerringly code content, and how you can’t test for every little problem because of the time involved, and how we should all just chill unless we have a CS degree and work in the field.
seems you have issues.
To make the game better?
So you don’t have a reason why.
So pretty much a QQ thread started by a QQer?
I thought the higher the level of the dungeons difficulty get you more tokens? I still get 5 in level 2. Then what is the point of all the effort?
why did you expect some kind of increase in a single level?