Guild Wars 2

Seriously. Necro is bad, but at least you have movement in the patch notes.

Rangers are like the forgotten class. Also no matter how we beg Anet to at least post something concerning the ranger class, we get this heavy silence.

31 years old. Taking a break from GW2. Great game, but the stat of the ranger is detracting from my joy of the game.

For PvE, Dungeons is the area in PvE where you can see what all the issue is about.

Lvl 30 is still too low to see what many of us are unhappy about. I would suggest taking your time to enjoy your leveling.

Hey at least you guys got mentioned in the patch notes Rangers got nothing. But yea I feel your pain.

Want to give yourself more pain. Go read the Warrior changes Now they can get to pawn faster then ever.

Come play ranger with us. After all, you already play the other unloved profession.

Play ranger. If you play both ranger and necro, you will get double the issues, double the pain and double the rage.

This is extremely disappointing and sad. Instead of answering or flagging the topic for review by developers, they stashed it in the ranger forum.

This same forum in which they have not given us any reply to for the longest time to any of our posts. The last reply was to shutdown the SB Changes Discussion Thread.

I guess, in a way, that informs us (or me at least) what we need to know.

It seems at the current moment our voices don’t seem to matter. I was inspired and I did try. But in the end, I guess we cannot break free from the ranger sub-forum (purgatory). I will still try to keep hope that they will answer us. But I was brought up to never beat a death horse and well the ranger forum is like a dead horse.

@Snoflake

Thank you for your feedback. The issue here is not how bad the ranger class is. There are many discussions on many issues on the ranger sub-forum.

For this thread, we (or at least I) would like to highlight the lack of updates and communication on the bug and other issues that rangers are facing.

And to engage Anet in constructive conversation of the direction of the class that many of us love. As well as to find out, what they are doing concerning the ranger class.

Thanks and Regards.

I do not think we are doing anything wrong here. We are being polite and we are not accusing Anet (for the most people) of anything.

We, or the people still playing the ranger class, truly want to know where the class stands and thus where we stand. I do not think that is too much to ask. I truly hope that Anet will not take it the wrong way, and that they will keep us updated on their plans for the class.

Good communication is a 2 way street. We are bring a legitimate question to their attention. All we want is an honest answer on where we stand. Just answering us, and engaging us in conversation will do wonders.

I have posted a topic asking Anet, what is going on for Ranger, under GW2 discussion.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ranger-Class-What-is-going-on/first#post507365
Quick put you concerns there. Before I get banned and the topic removed.

I have posted a topic asking Anet, what is going on for Ranger, under GW2 discussion.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ranger-Class-What-is-going-on/first#post507365
Quick put you concerns there. Before I get banned and the topic removed.

I have posted a topic asking Anet, what is going on for Ranger, under GW2 discussion.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ranger-Class-What-is-going-on/first#post507365
Quick put you concerns there. Before I get banned and the topic removed.

Posted a topic under GW2 discussion.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ranger-Class-What-is-going-on/first#post507365

Quick put you concerns there. Before I get banned and the topic removed.

Please help me understand what is going on with our beloved ranger class.

1. Why were we left out in the patch notes. It cannot be that we have no bugs. There is a huge list of bugs complied and ready for you to fix here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Ranger-Bug-List

2. Why are the developers not responding to any threads in ranger forum (other then to lock down threads) Current rangers have alot of issues, and we are starving to hear what is going on with our beloved class. We would like to know the direction Anet is taking with the class. And how they plan to fix the many bugs and issues rangers face. But there is a deafening silence.

3. Is the ranger class dead? Other then to fix an animation bug that no ranger noticed and that nerfed our most viable build with the 1 weapon that is not sub-par. And to fix entangled recharge time. We have not heard anything or seen any fixes to our multiple bugs or balancing issues. In fact, it seems that the warrior is being buffed to take over and do better most, if not all, of our ranger roles.

I am sure, many others have many other things to say about the ranger class.

For me, I just want a response. Please tell me why ranger is not being fixed as much as other classes. And the direction and plans for the class.

I am seeing red now. Was so hyped up with the Halloween patch because they say big changes were coming.

Right…. All I see is blank blank blank blank where ranger notes should be.

Change, right my …..

When you give just a date, most people expect the event/release to be at the start of the date. Even after you factor in the timezone difference. Most people will expect it to be released at 0000hrs Pacific time.

Which is why, I strongly promote the use of a specific time for release. If anything happens the developers can just inform users that there is an issue and extend the time.

Still I think to go so far as to post what Bad Villain did is well not right.

@ Dlinks

Yes yes, I get it. The world revolves around America. All hail the American Empire and all that … … …

Anyways I am sure, that Anet will actual win alot of people over if they would at least put the top 3 times on their email correspondence.

For example:
So and so patch will be release on 6pm PST (x pm GMT, etc). This that so hard to do?

Also get Invulnarable alot if I am on higher or lower ground compared to my target. I do not see why that would make an enemy Invulnarable.

Totally agree with Morgoth.4573 and his post of
“The problem was that no time was given leading to many people hanging on when they could have gone to bed, or decided to do something else instead. That is why a lot of people are a bit miffed.”

Yea, if Anet would just set a time, and update us if there is any changes, then there will be less QQing. But they do not, so people then expect it to be out first thing on the 22nd.

To me, Anet really set themselves up a big bulls eye by not informing people of the timing, and then with their vague communications.

I get alot of Missed, obscure, obstruct messages while playing in WvW and PvP and dungeons across many many maps.

It happens alot with mobile targets that move alot or if another player is standing between me and my target.

It is even more apparent in WvW and PvP, because I keep on wondering of all the times I could have killed someone if not from about average 30% plus plus plus of my shots getting 1 of these 3 issues. Even when they are in range and I have clear line of site, just because they are moving.

Add in the fact that my pet cannot hit mobile targets, is extremely extremely annoying.

It is now the 23th for me. I would also agree with the many that replied before me. Anet really needs to improve their communication.
I am off to work, hopefully the patch comes today.

We rangers are not spiritual enough, thus our spirits are weak.

We lack the discipline and toughness of the warrior which allows their banners to inspire us way more then dead transparent (walking) trees.

Our group members are too busy ROFLOL-ing to get buffed properly, as shown by the short range and super inconsistent buffs output.

Magic Arrows !!! The arrows come forth from the depths of our minds. Channeled into our bows and coming out as arrows by the magic of Anet!!!

The way I see it, the main issue is:
People are angry at Anet for the way they communicate and the way they handle changes to the game.

I think most people are not angry that our class is currently mostly sub-par to others. After all, that can be fixed. Most people can also live with the huge list of bugs out there.

What I think, people do not like and turning many to rage, is the way Anet and specifically JonPeter is handling the ranger class currently . And more specifically how the “animation glitch” was handled. The way they did it was really insulting and unprofessional.

To make it worst before that SB “nerf”, Anet seemed to be ignoring Ranger and the many bug issues. Then suddenly they fixed an “animation glitch” fix, to fix something no one experienced? Instead of the many bugs? After which they “ignored” the outcry in the forums and if they bothered to respond, ignored the multiple pages of concerns and maths on why crossfire is broken. Going back to silence both in the patches and forum. And oh they silenced us again by closing the thread concerning the issue.

The way they handled ranger from game start till now (so far) is like a BIG “we don’t care” and “middle finger” towards rangers. THAT is what many are kitten OFF about. This rage, is then now directed to ANYTHING concerning ranger. Every small issue is now big. Every bug is now a huge s c r e w you from Anet.

So if Anet had actually bothered to paid more attention to ranger users and the animation issue, then there will not be so much rage and anger. But they did not. So now prepare the pitch forks and gas bombs, many are going to show their displeasure at any thing Anet does. After all our glasses are now RAGE coloured. And everything Anet now does will be coloured by the way they handled our beloved class.

Basic-ly we do not trust that they will do right for our class.

The way I see it, is actually all boils down to a simple issue, I think.

The issue: People are angry at Anet for the way they communicate and the way they handle changes to the game.

Most people are not angry that our class is currently mostly sub-par to others. After all, that can be fixed. Most people can also live with the huge list of bugs out there.

What people do not like and turning many to rage, is the way Anet and specifically JonPeter is handling the ranger class currently . And more specifically how the “animation glitch” was handled. The way they did it was really insulting and unprofessional.

To make it worst before that SB “nerf”, Anet seemed to be ignoring Ranger and the many bug issues. Then suddenly they fixed an “animation glitch” fix, to fix something no one experienced? Instead of the many bugs? After which they “ignored” the outcry in the forums and if they bothered to respond, ignored the multiple pages of concerns and maths on why crossfire is broken. Going back to silence both in the patches and forum. And oh they silenced us again by closing the thread concerning the issue.

The way they handled ranger from game start till now (so far) is like a BIG “we don’t care” and “middle finger” towards rangers. THAT is what many are kitten OFF about. This rage, is then now directed to ANYTHING concerning ranger. Every small issue is now big. Every bug is now a huge s c r e w you from Anet.

So if Anet had actually bothered to paid more attention to ranger users and the animation issue, then there will not be so much rage and anger. But they did not. So now prepare the pitch forks and gas bombs, many are going to show their displeasure at any thing Anet does. After all our glasses are now RAGE coloured. And everything Anet now does will be coloured by the way they handled our beloved class.

Down with Anet!!! Up with Ranger!!! And all those types of hypes.

Othayuni.7369:

Fate, you are a very sane person who knows your class extremely well.

You have a very good message about that class, too.

I hope the forums do not swallow your spirit.

This is SUCH a bad way to encourage someone / anyone. Makes it look like you are the same guy or his friend or a fanboi +1-ing the thread/ Sorry but it looks like it a lot.

2nd there is no supporting reason why his posting is good or how you agree with it or how it helps you. Aka comes across like false advertising and useless.

3rdly, in 3 lines (actually in the 6th word) you insulted everyone that does not agree with Fate or are on the fence. Way to go man.

Fate does not need someone like you to “help him”. I think he has valid points. I might not agree with all. But yea I respect him. Your post help push me in the other direction.

Ranger conceptually is a great class. It needs some twitches to help improve it. Nothing major. The changes have been discussed to death on this forums across near every post many times over. With nothing happening, that we can see.

Agree that perm stow is not the solution. But it is really annoying when the pets aggros everything for fun. Pets should not cause aggro till they attack. And should not be in front of ranger till they attack (if needed).

We bring control via traps. Keep your eyes open and constantly look for the areas which using traps will cause the max amount of issues for enemies.

For example, throwing spike & frozen traps around corners, really helps group attack from cover (aka less health lost).

Also traps maximises AOE dps, as enemies will take longer to disperse and will be stuck longer clustered together.

While running pass content, traps slow down enemies giving people more time to run.

Etc, etc, etc….

I agree with OP that rangers are kings of control. It is just that other then control, what can we do, that is not sub-par with others? DPS is really really really bad, if you spec for control, seriously. And if you spec dps, forget about control

Control = Traps. That to me is the only viable build in which we shine. I use Spikes, Froze & Entangle alot and they are great. But after we stun them… then what? Currently we poke them with thin needles in prolong fights that is 111111111, dodge, 111111 dodge 111111 dodge (repeat) …….

To me, rangers are not that hard to fix, but Anet is not doing so yet. If they would have left us alone, it would not be so sad. But the first big thing they did, was nerf our only ok dps weapon. Which has triggered this rage switch.

Lastly, I agree that pets attacks cannot be 100% hit, but at least make pets F2 instant and increase their attack speed and hit area.

I find it stupid that enemies/pvpers can hit us, way more often even if we dodge (aka large hit area), while pets have such a tiny hit area and miss if enemy move even 1mm away.

Everything else we are subpar. Even the warrior forums, trying to justify that they are sub-par can only say Ranger win Warriors on conditions builds via the trap build.

Thus condtion build via traps is basic-ly our only “better then most at” viable build.

Go trap build and do ambush and immobilization tactics. So that others can kill them off

Haha, I think we rangers are quite positive and easy going already.

Ranger is in a dark dark place right now. Thus our humor, etc is all dark

I think most people, me included, has come to the conclusion that it is a stealth nerf, that they tried to pass off as a animation bug. And that it was always their purpose to nerf the skill. Thus they lied to us from day one of the “patch” to now.

This view is especially supported bt Jon Peter’s reply that pressing 1 is not fun. And that everything is working as intended. As well as overwhelming silents after that statement.

Of strong proof, is also the closing of the 40ms thread, which has forced us to disperse. Thus making it harder for new forum users to gather information on the current “nerf” and long term Ranger issues.

@ Shiren
Totally agree with you.

@Kincaidia
Yea the 10~15 feet in front of us thing is super annoying and get my pet killed tons. Also if we stow our pet before we start running, at least we know it was because someone (or us) aggroed the mobs first and not the pets.

Traps = Conditions Stats (Half Carrion & Half Rampage)

Weapons = SB & Sword/Horn

Skills = Healing spring, Spike Trap, Frozen Trap, QZ, Rampage as One

Traits Points Distributions = 20/30/10/0/10

Some people are not happy with Warrior in PvP because they come directly from normal PvE (not dungeons) in which they own everything and thus were never forced to L2P or die.

Warriors are quite forgiving and PvE is also quite forgiving so this two factors combined, tend to allow some to slack lot.

Going to PvP, in which people are not forgiving, they will experience extreme pain, till they get better and learn to spec better. At the same time, they most likely will come here to inform people that warriors are sub par.

In PvP, I have played against great warriors and horrid warriors. The class allows for a wide range of skill levels. Compared to classes like Eng, Ele or Rangers.

You know most of the time, the people playing the above classes have some level of skill or else they will not be playing these classes in PvP (unskilled = instant murdered).

Engineer is a really demanding class to play. Elementalist is also extremely demanding.

People like that are ….. Should just ignore them.

For me, I am the one blaming rangers for not stowing their pet before they start running and setting them on aggressive. Because you know, rangers like that make us look bad and shows that they never L2P. Also creates mis-conceptions about rangers, like the above example.

Play ranger longbow, then come back. Warrior Longbow is EPIC to me.

In fact, Warrior’s anything is epic to me, after playing ranger. I love my warrior so so much.

My Ranger Niche in dungeon is as a controller.

Frozen Trap and Spike Trap combined with Entangled and QZ or Muddy Terrain, allows you to control the mobs really effectively. Healing Spring also is a must for support.

Seriously control of the battlefield means more coordination, less chaos, less people getting hit and thus an easier time for all.

For Pets, I use brown bear for condition removal and black widow for conditions.

Armor & Weapons is Carrion and Rampage.
Weapons SB & Axe/Horn

As our dps suck, we (for now) cannot think dps but support. And Traps are great support.

Warriors are ok. In fact, they are great classes for PvP.

Playing a Ranger as my main. Warrior as an alt. If you think a Warrior is underpowered, seriously play a Ranger. We can do everything you can, except worst.
Ranger range weapons are worst then War, Ranger melee is worst, Ranger spirits/banners are worst. Rangers cannot burst dps. Ranger arrows have this crap bug, that if someone strives or runs fast, the arrows will miss alot. And our pets tend to miss moving target 90% of the time.

Only thing Ranger does better is traps, and any good player knows not to step into them. In fact, I am one of the many that switched from ranger to warrior to get a better ranged class.

Memsers and Thief can do great burst and thus are annoying to any class. But that is why in PvP never go glass cannon and always have a break conditions skill in toolbar. Also I have learned that if you can learn to, by instinct, dodge whenever you see large drops of HP, you tend to survive more often against burst classes. And lastly always keep moving, never stand still.

I agree with Sdric.

Playing a Ranger as my main. Warrior as an alt. If you think a Warrior is underpowered, seriously play a Ranger. We can do everything you can, except worst.

Ranger range weapons are worst then War, Ranger melee is worst, Ranger spirits/banners are worst. Rangers cannot burst dps. Ranger arrows have this crap bug, that if someone strives or runs fast, the arrows will miss alot. And our pets tend to miss moving target 90% of the time.

Only thing Ranger does better is traps, and any good player knows not to step into them.

In fact, I am one of the many that switched from ranger to warrior to get a better ranged class.

Memsers and Thief can do great burst and thus are annoying to any class. But that is why in PvP never go glass cannon and always have a break conditions skill in toolbar. Also I have learned that if you can learn to, by instinct, dodge whenever you see large drops of HP, you tend to survive more often against burst classes. And lastly always keep moving, never stand still.

Brown Bear, because of F2 ability.
Black Widow for DPS and conditions.

By closing the 40ms topic, they have dispersed us Now instead of 1 mega topic, we are all over the place. But if you read through some of them, you will see that the suggestions and remarks are near all identical except for writing style. The same few issues are getting repeated, repeated and repeated.

The SB nerf gets so much attention because it is the last straw for many that broke the ranger’s back

Very soon they will just delete the ranger forum to stop our “complaining” and “whining”.

Biggest Disappointments in a descending order:
1. Pets Dodge abilities
2. Pets inconsistent dmg abilities
3. Longbow, slow speed & ridiculous range penalities
4. Greatsword, dps
5. Sword, cannot dodge
6. Invulnerable, miss, obscure bug
7. Spirits, ease of death
8. Shortbow, Nerf to condition stacking
9. Beastmaster Trait

According to Jon Peter, Rangers are easy to play. Just spam 1. Since he is a all knowing developer, that know better then us. We should all just press 1 from now on.

1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 …

GW1, 55 Monk

Worst fix ever. kittened the monk class like crazy to combat grinding that they sort of implemented.

Rangers are not weak per say, it is just that when you compare use to guardians, thieves, memsers and especially warriors, we are just bit subpar.

This is especially apparent at pvp. In pve or dungeons we still can make it. Just have to be more skilled to get the same results as the above classes. And oh, play a really specific type and weapons (flexible we are not).

Are we the worst class? Err no, elementalist are worst off then us. But to me, we are the 2nd or 3rd worst class.

I rolled a Engineer and Guardian. Even with all the issue rangers have, I find Engineers too narrow focused and Guardians too boring.

I love my ranger, but I agree he is the Jack of some Trades, Master of Nothing at all.

I got to say, playing a ranger and ensuring I contribution as much as other professions have forced me to become a better player. Now I see (especially) guardians, warriors, etc in dungeons that die for freak. I need to stop myself from going WTH, how noob can people be. Playing a good class and yet dying for freak.

So yea, playing a ranger, forces you to L2P or burn.

True story, I once played with a warrior that aggroed the whole dungeon room, and died while I watched on in horror. After which he did not want to res, expecting us to fight our way to him and res him. Nowadays, when I see warriors or Guardians I am doubleful of their skills. As they are so easy to play, that most people do not bother to L2P.

Ranger is still viable to play, for sure. But they are just not very good compared to near any other classes.

As a ranger, I came to the conclusion, by myself, that SB is the only way to go for dps. If thousands others came to the same conclusion that means the other weapons are just plain bad (except warhorn).

And for them to nerf our best weapon skill without fixing the many many ranger issues and then lying about it, is wrong in so many ways.

…. then again I am repeat what hundreds other have said. Oh well, for so many people to say roughly the same things must mean something right?

Traps is the only thing going for rangers right now.

I get groups now because of traps. My damage sucks but at least I help a lot to control the action. I have given up on dps, now I just play a controller to ensure enemies do not gang kitten us.