Hi Anet, still waiting on developer feedback on all these queue times and skills lags/ etc that have been brought up since the Seasons started? In other words any news on removing all JPs from WvW maps on the next patch?
you got your response before the season started. don’t stack on server’s. feel free to look it up in devon’s post history.
Yes, we’re all well aware that you disregard the lack of problems before the season and its achievements started, despite everyone already transferring by then, in order to blame transfers and not the achievements.
lol yeah i’m sure just because its only the stacked servers with the problem that stacking isn’t the problem. i’m in gold league on a non stacked server and no que problems at all. we have acheivement hunters too but since we didnt superstack our sevrer there is no problem.
Stacking is part of the problem, obviously, but you plainly ignore the fact that the problems really started occurring once the season began even though the stacking had already occurred. Which, you know, indicates that the stacking wasn’t causing many problems until the season began and the achievement hunters clogged the queues.
stacking is the problem. you seem to ignore non stacked servers don’t have the problem at all.
Wait… So if I don’t want skill lag, I should transfer lower?
OK, but I like fights. I don’t play NA times. I’ve been in t4 and below. It is dead in oceanic/sea times I play. Pvdoor isn’t fun to me.
well then you get to decide which you want more no lag or fights. the lower servers aren’t dead anymore though.
Hi Anet, still waiting on developer feedback on all these queue times and skills lags/ etc that have been brought up since the Seasons started? In other words any news on removing all JPs from WvW maps on the next patch?
you got your response before the season started. don’t stack on server’s. feel free to look it up in devon’s post history.
Yes, we’re all well aware that you disregard the lack of problems before the season and its achievements started, despite everyone already transferring by then, in order to blame transfers and not the achievements.
lol yeah i’m sure just because its only the stacked servers with the problem that stacking isn’t the problem. i’m in gold league on a non stacked server and no que problems at all. we have acheivement hunters too but since we didnt superstack our sevrer there is no problem.
if you want a quick fix for the skill lag however you are welcome to transfer to a bronze league server they don’t have it.
here since i doubt you will check
I’d just like to make a note of one thing that I think people aren’t considering when they transfer to stacked worlds. You will not, repeat will not, be able to receive the reward based on overall world place in the league, unless you achieve the meta achievement for the season. If you aren’t able to get into WvW much, you won’t get the rewards. So it is absolutely taking a risk to transfer to a world that has a large WvW population.
That doesn’t address the skill lag issue in the slightest.
there was another dev post on that but i don’t know the name. the jist was they are working on it don’t expect a quick fix.
here since i doubt you will check
I’d just like to make a note of one thing that I think people aren’t considering when they transfer to stacked worlds. You will not, repeat will not, be able to receive the reward based on overall world place in the league, unless you achieve the meta achievement for the season. If you aren’t able to get into WvW much, you won’t get the rewards. So it is absolutely taking a risk to transfer to a world that has a large WvW population.
Hi Anet, still waiting on developer feedback on all these queue times and skills lags/ etc that have been brought up since the Seasons started? In other words any news on removing all JPs from WvW maps on the next patch?
you got your response before the season started. don’t stack on server’s. feel free to look it up in devon’s post history.
Totally agree. All the folks who are not experiencing any Q issues are now taking the opportunity to gleefully say “told ya so” or “move to a lower pop server” etc. when the real issue is that the Q’s are not working as intended (seemingly random instead of first to Q first to get in a map) – and that the Devs knowing this problem exists did not address it before the expected new flood of achievement hunters from across the game into WvW with their new WvW Season Update.
Spot on, I said it in the original thread but I’ll say it again, it beggars belief that this isn’t a top priority.
In case anyone is interested, the first time this was officially acknowledged was EIGHT MONTHS ago, by Mike Ferguson in a website interview. Here’s the snippet …
Queues do indeed behave in a strange manner. Unfortunately, I don’t have any more news about that as it does boil down to resources. It’s a fixable problem, but we need some time from a very specialized type of programmer for that job and they’re all currently busy with other tasks.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/196tgh/jeuxonlineinfo_made_an_interview_with_mike/
Obviously fixing this dropped down (or off) the priority list, since the frequency of queues diminished quite a bit by that time, but someone at Anet should have seen this coming when they came up with the Leagues idea and maybe more impactful … adding Achievements.
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable.
lol no the real issue is people wanted superserver’s and now they have them. they just didnt think about what that meant.
yeah people probably arent upset enough because most servers don’t have a que at all and the servers that do have a que did it to themselves with heavy recruitment
This is not the point. the point is the queue is RANDOM. did you not read any of the post?
no i did. i just don’t care since i dont have a que. most people didn’t stack their server with recruitment efforts don’t have a que thats why most don’t care. you created your own problem so people tend to not have sympathy.
So let me get it straight. I am playing on a server which is mid-silver league (so not, I am not stacked at top tier). I am on that server since day one. Should I now feel forced to, scratch that, should my entire large guild feel forced to to move to low-bronze server becouse Arena decided to funnel masses into WvW, for which said WvW is not ready? We have 3.5h queues to EB and at prime time all borderlands are queued. Should I leave a server I play over one year on? Should I leave all the commanders I met? Should I leave friends I roam with? Nice solution.
yes if you don’t like que’s transfer.
I’m on a server with no queues. You can transfer to a server with no queues as well.
What about those players that actually give a kitten about their community and built is from the ground up over the course of a year? Like SoR? Telling people to transfer so they can play the game mode that was the REASON WE BOUGHT THIS GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE is not a valid argument.
You mean the people who paid for other player’s transfer costs to your server? Maybe it’s time for top tiers to transfer DOWN for a change.
I have already explained that SOR has never paid for a guild to transfer. The one exception was IRON and we do not regret that one bit as they are one of the best and most dedicated guilds on our server. On SoR we see other servers buy guilds and we have seen just where that got them.
So you don’t pay for guilds, except you have in the past. So you just don’t do that anymore?
no one paid for IRON we had the choice of all na servers and scouted as many servers as we could before coming to our decision to join SOR. As a guild we paid for 90% of our own transfer and was helped by the community for the ones after we had run out of money .
We came to sor because we felt we would fit in there better not because we were offered gold to move .
how is fitting in to a t1 server working out now? did you just decide to ignore it when devon warned this would happen?
yeah people probably arent upset enough because most servers don’t have a que at all and the servers that do have a que did it to themselves with heavy recruitment
@ gidorah
at drakkar lake EU bronze league we have queues at primetime 3 hours+ perhaps 1h+ at homelands and 30min at other bl.
at reset there were queues about 4-5+ hours on each map
the hole weekend we had queues from morning until night.
the bl que seems pretty reasonable for primetime. not sure why you say 3 hour que for wvw when you mean 30 min que for wvw.
the changes are good. the lower populated worlds are full again. only the servers that have been buying guilds to get round the clock coverage have problems and anet already has a fix for them go to a lower pop server.
I play on the server currently ranked 17th. Never even considered transfering from here no matter how good or bad WvW would become. But I played some WvW almost every day and enjoyed it. Right now at prime time there is a 3h queue to EB and varied queue times for borderlands. Please tell me how is my server “stacked” for WvW and how it was “buying guilds”? So is the new WvW intended for 4 servers with low population and the rest may rot in queue?
3 hour que for eb what was the que for bl’s? i’m in gold league and maaaaybe there is a 20 minute que for 2 maps during primtime. i am guessing you are either in europe where everyone on server plays same hours or making things up.
@Lord Kuru.3685 and Actinotus.6410
Uh, I like your analytical thinking. Very observant. So it seems that in NA stacking in T1 might have caused massive queues mostly in that tier. In EU a better destrebution on different servers might have caused the issue to appear on many servers. Or maybe EU has over all more WvW players. Would be good to have an ANet developer with oversight to comment on that. I would find that interesting. Maybe some more information to the community about that issue could lead to constructive suggestions. I would love a solution for that, because my queue priority suggestion seems to not get the feedback I had hoped for.
i think the difference is the na players are complaining about having 3 hour que’s the eu servers are complaining about 30 minute que’s. maybe they never had que’s on eu before or they arent checking other bl’s
WvW is being destroyed because lots of people are playing WvW?
No, it’s being destroyed because lots of people are in the WvW maps but not playing WvW.
ummm…. yes they are.
So people doing the JPs (and those farming the people doing them) are playing WvW?
they are when the jp campers kill them
the changes are good. the lower populated worlds are full again. only the servers that have been buying guilds to get round the clock coverage have problems and anet already has a fix for them go to a lower pop server.
the fix for ques is to transfer no one not on t1 servers cares about your self made problems.
neat syntax bro
do the carlton for me bro
the fix for ques is to transfer no one not on t1 servers cares about your self made problems.
i feel like this is the trick to last years treat.
the que issue in na is just 4 servers t1 and tc. everything else is modest que’s of 5-10 minutes at worst but mostly no que
wrong speech, tell them to be patient and it will be over in a few days. the lower tiers don’t want the bandwagon elitists back. You don’t hear the lower tiers complaining.
this isn’t true i heard kaineng will welcome its bandwagoner’s back and pay for the transfer.
Yes, and that would be a decent point, if not for the fact that the queue problem is caused by the achievements (specifically, JP), not the stacking.
lol only t1 and tc have the que problem i’m sure that it’s because of something besides stacking though. how much gold did T1 spend to buy guilds after devon gave this warning?
I’d just like to make a note of one thing that I think people aren’t considering when they transfer to stacked worlds. You will not, repeat will not, be able to receive the reward based on overall world place in the league, unless you achieve the meta achievement for the season. If you aren’t able to get into WvW much, you won’t get the rewards. So it is absolutely taking a risk to transfer to a world that has a large WvW population.
not sure if you missed it the first time around or not but you did it to yourself.
And they will leave once said achievements are done. Like I said earlier, they have had a year already to try it and like it. Adding achievements isn’t going to change this.
So they’ll leave at the end of season 1… just in time for season 2 achievements to come out and bring them back!
i bet the t1 servers are still gonna buy guilds so they can win season 2.
maguuma vs sea of sorrows vs tarnished coast. 3 hour queue on friday
hmmm i’m in sea of sorrows, the queue is not that bad though.
my time zone is gmt +8:00
que isn’t bad in maguma either i am guessing it is strictly a tc thing. maybe they could roleplay that they are refugees and leave or something
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Everytime when I read a poste from someone that is home to a T3/ T2 server telling ppl to move to an lower server I like to throw up. You just keep insulting at least half of the population of higher servers. Not everyone has moved there because of the league. Ppl actually might have friends there, they like to play with in wvw. Ever thought of that? I moved to another server a while ago, because I couldn’t stand the atmosphere on my old server anymore, even though it was a hard decisions, but atleast I had friends on an other server. Yeah sure there were queue’s before, but even with bad luck it was only 1h or so. But I had queue like these even on my older T2 server (not as often, but more often than some ppl might think). So DON’T tell me, moving is the key, this is pathetic!
moving is still the key even if you don’t like it. the dev’s said this would happen if people stacked on t1 servers and it did. you don’t have to move but since you are the solution to your own problem don’t tell anet to fix it or complain about it to people on lower tiers with no que. people like you moving to t1 created the problem people like you moving off of t1 servers will fix it.
on a t2 server not much in que i think its a t1 problem
que times are only bad on t1. the t2 and below have modest que’s if at all so the solution is to not be on t1.
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lol how many topics about que is this. the devs warned t1 and you kept recruiting you did it to yourself. maybe you should have a talk with the guilds who paid for everyones transfer.
I don’t think this post is legit. AFAIK this person is on Maguuma and has been for some time.
i don’t know about that it sounds like the 5 or 6 other topics from t1 whinning about ques
I’m on a server with no queues. You can transfer to a server with no queues as well.
What about those players that actually give a kitten about their community and built is from the ground up over the course of a year? Like SoR? Telling people to transfer so they can play the game mode that was the REASON WE BOUGHT THIS GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE is not a valid argument.
maybe your community should have though about the ques when they where recruting.
you did it to yourself you did and thats why it really hurts.
Omg this is really kitten waiting over 1 hour or more to enter in WvW and all BL are in queue GG Anet on this.
Fix all this queue problem Anet this is really stupid.
lol devon even made a post warning people not to superstack server but people kept recruiting.
lol at all the people who spent months recruiting now complaining they can’t play even after a dev warned them this would happen. i’m going to listen to that radiohead song you do it to yourselves in your honor.
i’m on a t2 server i rarely see a que outside of reset night why are you putting so many resources into stuff that i will get to play once a week is this to encourage me to transfer to t1? it wouldnt bother me so much if the reason you give for not fixing alot of problems is lack of resources.
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Well each meta attachment gives you a reward but that only the small bit you get during running wvw. There are build in rewards in wvw by them self and it seems at the end of the wvw season there is a big reward. I guess they could of just put it all in one big one at the end and not given you any thing up until then but then ppl would only complain that they want rewards now etc..
i think it will be a problem if the wvw rewards at the end of the season are the same as five minutes of frostgorge champfarm . the rewards for part of the acheive being the equivilant of a champ bag seem to indicate the continuation of the poor wvw rewards compared to pve. for all devon’s talk about increasing wvw rewards he never seems to come through with anything that comes close to pve rewards.
1000 black lion chest (without one key) for final reward!!
At 3c a pop on the TP – that’s 30 silver – for a WvW chest that’s a bit excessive.
maybe they can add half the amount of badges of honor that you get from pve acheive chests too
i thought the same when i got mine for killing players. devon has alot of explaining to do for this. he promises us rewards closer to pve and delivers this.
nice how many times defending sm will it take me to get some dragonite?
0. There is no achievement that requires defending SM.
can you get dragonite for defending anything then?
I really hope the crown jewel of winning seasons isn’t stacks of ascended materials.
I have at least 5 stacks of fragments and ores and I don’t need to be making ascended weapons since I have legendaries.
The ascended materials are in the chests that are awarded for completing specific achievements in the WvW Season 1 achievement group. They are attainable by anyone and are in no way related to your placement at the conclusion of the season.
nice how many times defending sm will it take me to get some dragonite?
FA hasn’t dominated PPT in NA time slots this match at all, not sure why they would tonight.
They just got a transfer of a large NA guild. CORE from IoJ, IIRC.
na primtime now mag+380 core and ftf didn’t make a difference. I hope fa can recover eventually they used to be my favorite server to fight.
1. population imbalance
2 reward structure, rewards for wvw are really only good if you karma train,and even then don’t come close to pve rewards. you didn’t even include defense acheivements in the wvw league, you are actively encouraging people to never defend because there are no rewards for it and better rewards for just taking unmanned structures.
3 unique rewards for wvw
I don’t care how strong the SoS oceanic is. You don’t make a T2 server off the backs of Oceanic coverage alone.
You’re wrong: http://i.imgur.com/W5oXFrc.png
lol indeed correct you can be t2 based on oceanic alone. it just makes for a terrible week as a server fights with its stongest time against its opponents weakest.
Duke did say he wanted gold to purge. PURGE!
are we finally getting rid of all those bp transfers we got so long ago?
I think the general consensus is that they are tanking on some level over there. Whether or not they think they are just facilitating a natural correction from their lost guilds; or if it’s genuinely throwing the matches can only be answered by them.
I do know that there are a lot of folks not happy with the state of affairs over there. I wouldn’t be surprised if they bleed a little more in the next 5 days or completely go to pieces during the Season.
FA has a lot of resilience, but they have been taking it on the chin for over 5 months now and there has been few signs of that trend reversing.
Also I think they got really discouraged when they pooled money together to transfer RISE over, just to have them leave for SoR just a few weeks later.u forget our history. 5 months is way overexaggerating. we dont mind losing to tc and never did. after all we got smashed by them for months in t3 and we never gave up and actually grew a lot during that time.
so we lost some guilds, so what? doesnet mean that fa falls apart. we never were the ppt kinda server, we prefer good fights.By your own admission, your server was taking a “vacation” last week. Right as your biggest competition had fallen completely apart; you had a golden opportunity to assert your place as the true T2 server.
You still had numbers during the JQ matchup with us, fielding some impressive zergs at times.
Now you are losing to Maguuma for a second week in a row, a server that has crap for nighttime numbers? Unless UA and the others have left, I feel raised eyebrows are in order.
Unless you had a large number leave last week or at the very end of the previous week, I don’t see how this current state of affairs could even happen.I like you guys, and don’t wish ill will. However, it doesn’t look good from the outside. You’re now either a T3 server that will have a hard time with servers like Borlis Pass, or there is some sandbagging by your casuals. It’s one or the other.
u know why we lost last week. mag and sbi both focusing us. mag is stacked now its not the same server u know anymore. this week its unfortunate that cd is not strong enough to keep up with both our servers, but when they do attack its more towards us than mag. mag has become more bandwagon than ever. it doesnt matter what it looks lke from the outside. i know whats going on and the loss of 2 60 guild is not a fun thing. 60 man sea guild is gonna and 60 man na guild is gone. thats the reason why. u can thank t1 for that and the stupid leagues that is destroying servers because fairweathers wanna bandwagon to the winning servers which is kittened.
bp is not gonna beat us like that, so please could u stop makeing us look like losers? we are not. if u got questions go to our forums and read!
lol no mag went after sbi harder than fa because sbi put up better fights. it just looked like both concentrated on you because while sbi could fight back fa couldn’t and so we had dragged out batles with sbi and just took fa’s lunch money. to be honest no one on mag knows what happened to fa as it used to be one of my favorite servers to fight.
So maguuma Heres what i want to know, why are you guys sucking so bad? and how come this thread did not get locked? cause when i was on Maguuma the tread was locked 4 to 5 times a week! Did most of EVOH leaving hutrt that bad?
who is evoh?
Yes I had to do a double take when I saw EVOH in red names. When did you all leave?
we left about a week before the mass influx of guilds came SBI, we were hopeing for a place away from all the zergs and stale fights…and we ended up with this lol but haveing lots oh fun here
we hear this from every guild who goes to a bandwagon server. no one wants to admit they have no loyalty and just went to a new server to have easy wins. we heard the same from every guild who joined kain and db when they where on the rise.
I haven’t been paying very close attention to things, does having three leagues instead of two mean Maguuma is going to be near the top instead of the bottom?
either top of silver or bottom of gold depends on if sos or mag does better
db imploded and is rapidly losing so a spot is open in gold.
also lol db remember a few match ups ago when you spent like 10 pages telling me you where not a bandwagon server and where not going to eventually topple like all bandwagon servers eventually do
i would like an invite