Guild Wars 2

Tails.5491:

all this 2v1 stuff should be a thing in the first place, tell me how the following makes sense, how can a server that has come 2nd twice and third 19 times be winning over a server that has come 2nd 18 times and last 4 times. this is basically making 2nd and 3rd place redundant .

Stop going for second and go for first. i’m sure YB knows what’s up. They don’t wanna go T1 again so they don’t really care about the score.

go to TC if you want to bust some big zergs

211 is fine. scoring shouldn’t even matter. game mode has more problems. capping keeps and towers is boring as is.

BG isn’t playing because they’ve been getting farmed and can’t take losing. Don’t try to make them look smart like they got some master plan. Hope they do open up and get some better guilds cause all they do is ppt.

Wow, these very few people who love the desert bl sure get defensive about a map that no one plays. Why is the desert bl so deserted if so many people voted for it? They have the lowest activity levels of any map. Just get rid of it anet. We’ll have more respect for you and it’ll be the right move.

do you defenders want it so nothing flips ever? I don’t get why you care to defend these towers/keeps that mean nothing. it’s like you built the tower from scratch.

Pumpkin.5169:

KEK is on ET that is linked to Maguuma, so it is kinda on Maguuma until the relinks. Just to clear the missconception.

KEK is on mag pretty much. Most members have or are going to make the switch

waypoint loading bug has been a problem as well for months. seems like it’ll take years to fix.

Threather.9354:

Desert would be okay, but its just empty on European servers, unless you face Germans.
So can you please remove it, at least on EU? I play it sometimes, but its just pointless because there’s never enemies.

You can even check the KD amount from gw2timer.com and see that Desert map has less than 3rd of the deaths compared to any other map. So it even gives less points so its not worth going to unless resetting ohjectives, as most points during daytime come from kills.

I voted to keep it because I knew they’d just make one border desert, but since they revived WvW with the linkings, id take my vote back because 1 “useless” map is too much when you have 3 map queued on almost all EU servers and no1 wants to go to the desert one.

So please, remove or remake the map. Its just not popular or useful at all. I know some people like it, so if you wanna keep it, make it at least SMALLER or add some kind of out-of-combat portals to move around the map.

Past voting means nothing if it’s not remade after the effects were negative, so stop living in 10 months in past where people voted to keep the map. Everything that matters is the result, and it was no good.

No one plays it anywhere. Just the ppters. it’s the same on NA.

Rewards for winning ppt? No thanks.

You think a 2-1-1 scoring system will kill wvw? i’m more concerned about the lack of fights in wvw and lack of growth(guilds,commanders etc) ppt is all about holding stuff and that’s not fun. Should be about epic fights.

You talking about those stupid notifications that pop up in the middle of your screen during a fight where you can’t see what’s going on to be notified about losing a camp no one cares about? Great addition to the game keep that and the deserted bl’s too. ty.

TBH there’s better roaming guilds than those like trex. They’re just not in T1. If we’re talking bigger guilds 15+ zerg type bg does not have the best guilds that’s for sure

Aeolus.3615:

kefro.9312:

75% say that they dont like desert bl.
So the anet pool was fake, anet is force feeding us… the map sucks and they lied about their pool

lol did u emailed the players that do WvW and dont come to the forum?

Both Alpine and DBL have issues even eb towers have them.

Should we make a vote to remove the 3 maps as well or alpine since alpine only has players when a server as a oposition to stop a ktrain on the main keep???

DBL is the least used map and everyone avoids it like the plague. Would not mind getting rid of all the maps to bring in something new but that something new aint happening so they can’t get rid of all the maps.

All the T1 servers(bg/mag/tc) have good ocx.

Nuzt.7894:

I have found the only time there is no response is typically when, there is only 1 Comm on and is mid Siege, or it is Red BL because it’s easier to just pretend it doesn’t exists. Theres all these people who supposedly love the map so they should be defending it or recapping when the enemy has finished which won’t take long because they will want to get off the map asap.

Nah man. the guys that love the map are the dudes ppting it with no resistance. once their done capping it it’s on to phase 2 upgrading it. Upgrading it also has no resistance.

71% so far don’t like it. Should be 80-90 imho. Delete the map!

Blockhead Magee.3092:

Yeah, the red BL is not one many people want to head to. Call outs for a defense of the Alpine BLs tends to get a quick response on our server. Not so much for desert.

lol if you make a red bl call out the only way you get a response is if you pull ewp and as soon as the defense is over everyone ports out and i don’t blame em.

eu looks worse than NA. seen they have maybe 1 or 2 maps q’d in t1 for reset. hardly any guilds just massive blob on reset. Lack of guilds and commanders i guess. Anet has done nothing to grow the game and there’s no new influx of guilds and commanders. might as well just do 3 realms and be done with it.

pointaction.4639:

jamesdolla.3954:

Even if the transfers were free why would anyone wanna go from t1 or t2 to t3 or t4? people are in the higher tiers because they want more fights. This game mode has no new players coming in and can barely sustain 4 tiers in NA as is. especially ocx sea and eu timezone players. they need to be t1 so they actually have something to fight.

I understand this too. But do realize the ques in up tiers can be so high that at times players that want to play especially on reset night cannot play. Higher tiers ques affect even ocx sea and eu timezone players too.

The point I was pointing out here is balance the tiers out where everyone can enjoy WvW and help their server move up in the tiers as well have awesome fights.

Arena.net is not going to increase population limits in WvW so there has to be a way allow everyone from all times zones to enjoy WvW all times including reset day.

Even I would move down to a lower tier if Arena.net would do promotion so I could move my guild to a lower tier to help out a lower tier and lower ques in tier 1 and tier 2.

I even remember when Maguuma was in tier 3 last year and now look at them they are 1st place in tier 1.

But but everyone wants to play on Maguuma now so there is a lot of people have transferred to Maguuma which has cause problems with ques on the maps. So people cannot play. I heard this from someone on Maguuma.

So ask your yourself this questions below.

Would you want to wait for 1 to 4+ hours of que time to get in to WvW be able play?

OR

Would you want to wait for 0 to 15 minutes of que time to get in to WvW be able play by moving a lower tier?

I don’t think the q’s are that bad tbh. Maybe EBG gets silly with all the riff raff trying to defend smc but we have our ways of trolling the q’s lol. Ya, mag was in t3 a year ago but they bought a bunch of guilds and got most of db’s ocx after the server fell apart.

Even if the transfers were free why would anyone wanna go from t1 or t2 to t3 or t4? people are in the higher tiers because they want more fights. This game mode has no new players coming in and can barely sustain 4 tiers in NA as is. especially ocx sea and eu timezone players. they need to be t1 so they actually have something to fight.

95%? lol no1 cares about it tbh.

We need underwater maps. All 4 maps should be underwater and we also need a underwater gvg arena and balance for underwater combat. #MakeUnderwaterFightingGreatAgain

Nyta.4769:

jamesdolla.3954:

Hexalot.8194:

Xenesis.6389:

Golem Week July 17 to July 24 2015.
Never forget.

He was responsible for that kitten ???

Ya, so it’s not a big loss for us wvwers.

iirc, his goal with that event was to show Anet that wvw could be given regular attention and have things shaken up now and then through the form of special events that didn’t require heavy developer commitment. The, er, exact details of that particular event weren’t the best, but his heart was in the right place.

So many people quit after that. Wvw wasn’t the same after that week

Threather.9354:

I guess its a situation similar to EU; fsp is the fighting powerhouse (read: disbanded gvg guilds retirementhome) here and theres bunch of people, most of them people who got bored of facerolling enemy in fsp, transferring to whichever server has enough people to challenge them in ppt(to stay in same on tier)/fights to get a decent enemy for blobfights. Basically EU has 2 fightingservers consisting of fsp and anti-fsp players. We tried to make 3rd but its just not doable because lack of active commanders.
Now NA doesnt have national and international servers, so situation here is little different, basically getting matched up with 2 national servers is horrible, cuz they get 1-pushed in fights 6 nights/week -> because they basically run the metabattle builds, with marauder guards and other horrible builds, which are NA meta that are crap.<- you were looking for salt right?

So our only chance is to try to get 2 international fighting servers on same tier to get decent fights

Would love to fight FSP. MAG vs FSP! make it happen!

X T D.6458:

I will break this down for those that havent figured it out yet. Because this change basically punishes winning, making second place ironically the preferable placement in a matchup.

1st place-Higher chance to get double teamed all week long with this change, if you are in tier 1, there is almost no point in trying to win first place now. Your server cannot go higher and will not drop tiers because of glicko and the possibility of a tier 2 glicko roll which means a week long ktrain to farm back points.

2nd place- Little effort required, just simply score 1 point more then the 3rd server since you both get equal amount of points, there is little reason to care about even showing up. Higher chance of keeping blue color and alpine map. Higher chance of retaining position in a tier.

3rd place- Dont even bother showing up or playing for points. In tier 1, getting third means a very high chance of rolling a tier 2 match the next week meaning week long ktrain to refarm glicko and get tossed back into tier 1. Highest chance of rolling dbl.

GG anet for making second place the desirable goal. Keep reaching for those stars!

BG confirmed. #OPENBG

Hexalot.8194:

Xenesis.6389:

Golem Week July 17 to July 24 2015.
Never forget.

He was responsible for that kitten ???

Ya, so it’s not a big loss for us wvwers.

aandiarie.7195:

O_O why does 2nd and 3rd get 1 pt both? This is disappointing.

so you go for first and not second.

this almost makes up for the horrible upgraded objective stuff you added last patch. Good change

I think it’s a good change since with the 321 system most focused the 2nd place server. lame. 2-1-1 is much better and it’ll shake things up.

XTR.9604:

I’ve been on both sides of Maguuma, running my small guild on that server, running around with the blobs on that server, and running my small guild against the server as well as running with the zergs of opposing servers. I can tell you that Maguuma generally outnumbers their enemies when winning most fights. I’ve seen Maguuma take a blob of 60+ to wipe my 5 man group before, and I mean chased down from one side of the map to the other lol.

I know that Maguuma has the most skilled pugs in the game, by that, what I really mean is that the pugs aren’t playing stupid classes and stupid builds. Many of them are running meta builds and classes that are actually worth something to a group instead of running a bunch of idiot rangers, thieves, and engineers that do nothing for group support (see the rest of the servers lol.) Maguuma definitely has the best organization and surely deserve to be rewarded for this, but the fact that you guys outblob everyone doesn’t really merit winning purely from kills in NA prime and EU lol.

they’re in t1 I think everyone blobs and has map q’s during ocx/sea/na/eu.

Maguuma just blobs. Blackgate runs 10-15’s only. Join us when we open up for a true roaming experience.

Reverence.6915:

Digikid.7230:

fishball.7204:

ANet should keep changing the PPT rules until Maguuma can get a win! It’s only fair Magswag gets the best KDR NA, best PPT NA, best ktrains NA.

P P T S T R E S S

Most maguumans just want to fight enemy players, but the new system doesn’t give an incentive to fight so T1 NA is becoming less and less about fighting enemy players and more about backcapping 24/7, thats where the frustration is coming from.

Then don’t start running as soon as a fight turns sour? Fighting Mag is annoying as heck, since as soon as a fight turns against you, you guys start running for the hills. After it happens a couple of times, you guys just stand behind your walls until everyone gets bored and walks off. Either that, or you guys bring map queues against 20-30 man groups. So much fun, right?

There’s also no way anyone can get 10-20 man fights from mag, since that’s your “roaming squad” size, since all you guys do is stay on EBG with a map queue 24/7

BG does all these things as well. Along with most servers in the game. I don’t get your point. Please take your frustrations of this game lacking guilds up in another thread. More guilds = less blobs. I should just take the maguuma out of my signature so I can avoid all this crying.

Jerus.4350:

jamesdolla.3954:

Jerus.4350:

I’d rather not be encouraged to avoid fun fights. Fun fights being those that are even or where my team is outgunned.

Not a huge fan of the recent scoring change either, taking down a t3 structure should award a ton of points because it takes so long to do. Skirmishes are cool because you can aim to win your playtime bracket even if you can’t win the whole week, but taking down a t3 structure doesn’t reward the current skirmish, it rewards the ones coming later because it eats up so much time in the current skirmish for such a little immediate reward.

I feel like that scoring change should be reverted over adjusting PPK. I do think there was a nice balance with PPK before, but PPK is a dangerous thing as again it can encourage avoiding fights which isn’t much fun.

Taking T3 keeps is easy man. Wait until you’re in the other servers dead timezone.. Why should this be rewarded? Maybe if you did such a thing against equal numbers but that’s going to give a massive advantage to the defending team. PPT is boring and I’m sure most are bored of it now since the game has been out 4 years.

Maybe you didn’t understand my point.

Yes taking t3 is easy when it’s undefended, but when it is defended it can take a long time to desiege, drain supply, kill the defenders and then finally cap. And all of that effort now is to the benefit of the next skirmish not the current one. That’s why the scoring change is dumb. It doesn’t fit with the Skirmish scoring change which cuts scoring into pieces allowing you to push to win your bracket even if you can’t win a week.

I agree that PPT is boring, but it doesn’t change that a lot of players seem to prefer it, even on Mag. Rather rally a large force behind arrow carts on SMC than come out and fight. It really seems all servers have at least a certain element of PPT focused play within them and the idea of a true fight server doesn’t really exist.

As someone who wants good fights though, again PPK is a dangerous tool. If it is weighed too heavily you don’t get more fights you get more running. Not enough and it’s just stupid because winning fights should be rewarded, but there’s a line somewhere where it shifts from encouraging fights to encouraging avoiding fights as it risks points, so ANet needs to be careful with it. So again I think the recent changes need adjusting or removal rather than adjust the dangerous scale of PPK.

People run no matter what scoring system there is. PPK has no effect on people running from fights. People have been running from fights forever.

Jerus.4350:

I’d rather not be encouraged to avoid fun fights. Fun fights being those that are even or where my team is outgunned.

Not a huge fan of the recent scoring change either, taking down a t3 structure should award a ton of points because it takes so long to do. Skirmishes are cool because you can aim to win your playtime bracket even if you can’t win the whole week, but taking down a t3 structure doesn’t reward the current skirmish, it rewards the ones coming later because it eats up so much time in the current skirmish for such a little immediate reward.

I feel like that scoring change should be reverted over adjusting PPK. I do think there was a nice balance with PPK before, but PPK is a dangerous thing as again it can encourage avoiding fights which isn’t much fun.

Taking T3 keeps is easy man. Wait until you’re in the other servers dead timezone.. Why should this be rewarded? Maybe if you did such a thing against equal numbers but that’s going to give a massive advantage to the defending team. PPT is boring and I’m sure most are bored of it now since the game has been out 4 years.

DeWolfe.2174:

jamesdolla.3954:

Since the recent update of upgraded structures giving more points PPK, even during prime hours except for reset(nothing is upgraded) has been pretty useless. There is no reason a server with a 2.0 kdr with mass amount of kills should lose a match. That means the other server is getting rolled and needs to be shown through the score. 5-10 points per kill should do the trick.

No, Omniblobbing shouldn’t be the highest rewarded behavior in WvW. Seeing that you’re from Mag, I can see why you’d ask for that behavior to be rewarded as that’s all Mag does.

JQ never blobs? all servers blob so that’s a silly point. Everyone blobs and the funnest part of this game is fighting not upgrading keeps. aoe cap, lack of guilds and tags encourages blobbing so nothing we can do about that. If you guys think back capping and siege humping is the way to go then by all means let’s keep it the way it is i guess.

Since the recent update of upgraded structures giving more points PPK, even during prime hours except for reset(nothing is upgraded) has been pretty useless. There is no reason a server with a 2.0 kdr with mass amount of kills should lose a match. That means the other server is getting rolled and needs to be shown through the score. 5-10 points per kill should do the trick.

Jeknar.6184:

jamesdolla.3954:

the poll was a joke. Of course they didn’t put up an option to get rid of the map. Anet does not want to admit their mistakes.

Oh, they didn’t gave an option to get rid of the map? Then what was that poll here?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

Keep denying it. There was a chance of voting against it and yall lost. Now you’ll have to live with it.

My mistake. Should of been 75% for that trash map to stay non the less.

the poll was a joke. Of course they didn’t put up an option to get rid of the map. Anet does not want to admit their mistakes.

There’s a reason when this game came out that they gave 3 realms the exact same bl. if you give out different maps one team either gets a massive advantage or disadvantage. They are not fixing the problems on the desert bl. the bloodlust has been a problem forever and still they have done nothing about it. Just get rid of it and put in alpine until you fix this crap at least.

Digikid.7230:

Go into World vs world, some ghost thief has exploited himself into garrison, spend 15 mins chasing him out….. 5 mins later hes respawned and back in our garrision while west keep is dealing with 20 people and their uncounterable cataspot ( the one that the cata shoots through but you can’t hit it back with anything from your side….. Yeah this map sucks.

Yup, if you have it and the other team is all about the pvd it’s rip your bl. might as well just let em have it and you won’t have to deal with it.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

jamesdolla.3954:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

I defend the map everyday. I believe you’re trying to hard too push your claims but no one is buying it man.

What claim? That the map sucks and most people hate it? That’s a fact.

The claim that, the map is too easy to attack. The claim that no one defends the map. These are false and fallacies.

Sorry a few guys defend it like mal and his blob and some tryhard BG. my mistake.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

I defend the map everyday. I believe you’re trying to hard too push your claims but no one is buying it man.

What claim? That the map sucks and most people hate it? That’s a fact.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

jamesdolla.3954:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

Desert BL gives an advantage to the home team not a disadvantage. Using this week in Tier 1 to state your claim isn’t right. Map politics in the current match make it so TC can’t hold the map because BG pressures it when TC has very little numbers.

Bloodlust is actually a pretty big deal even that 1 point. Because thats 1 point per stomp up to 5 people and killing someone grants 1 point anyway. Thus this is a total of 10 points. In a skirmish that last 2 hours then end scores look around 3k to 5k thus a single person with 5 people and netting 10 per kill is a pretty big thing that can determine skirmishes.

One issue with every BL map that we have is that they’re all mechanically broken. Alpine was designed around the orb and since the removal I feel like the map meta has degraded and became very stale. The Desert map has an entire center that takes up a large portion of the map that’s simply useless.

I also believe the keep lords are to hard to kill on Desert STILL, simply because how defensive the keeps are on the map and their special abilities added with things like EWPs make it very hard to assault and take any T3 keep on that map thats defended by large numbers.

I find the Desert BL fights better to be honest. The issue is certain servers tend to avoid the map and because of this even the people who voted for the map avoid it because there is no one to find out on it. This week in Tier 1 is a prime example of that, MAG avoids the map like the plague and it’s largely a battleground for TC and BG.

the lords are ez to kill. I can solo the whole freaking bl with ease. air and fire keep can be trebbed from sec and swc. Don’t think you can counter that without a yolo push. The only advantage home team has is how fast structures upgrade or if enemy team hates the map and doesn’t go to it(mostly the case accept for BG). You can literally take a few small man groups and cap the entire bl before anyone can even respond m8. Does anyone wanna do that? hell no. well BG does, that’s it.

The lords are not easy to kill when they are defended. Your examples talk about soloing a map, that means the map isn’t being defended. That means the lord isn’t scaled either. Hence the easiness. Yet, the lords are way harder to kill by mechanics than that of the alpine borderlands. The hardest keep lord to kill by far is the Earth keep lord. The defenders of Earth keep has a greater advantage than the keep lord on Alpine Garrison.

When is the map defended? Reset night? That’s about it. Should be called the deserted bl instead of desert. Lords are the same as any others with break bar and hp. maybe you can say they are more of an aoe offensive threat but killing them aint hard compared to other lords since everyone of them scales.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

Desert BL gives an advantage to the home team not a disadvantage. Using this week in Tier 1 to state your claim isn’t right. Map politics in the current match make it so TC can’t hold the map because BG pressures it when TC has very little numbers.

Bloodlust is actually a pretty big deal even that 1 point. Because thats 1 point per stomp up to 5 people and killing someone grants 1 point anyway. Thus this is a total of 10 points. In a skirmish that last 2 hours then end scores look around 3k to 5k thus a single person with 5 people and netting 10 per kill is a pretty big thing that can determine skirmishes.

One issue with every BL map that we have is that they’re all mechanically broken. Alpine was designed around the orb and since the removal I feel like the map meta has degraded and became very stale. The Desert map has an entire center that takes up a large portion of the map that’s simply useless.

I also believe the keep lords are to hard to kill on Desert STILL, simply because how defensive the keeps are on the map and their special abilities added with things like EWPs make it very hard to assault and take any T3 keep on that map thats defended by large numbers.

I find the Desert BL fights better to be honest. The issue is certain servers tend to avoid the map and because of this even the people who voted for the map avoid it because there is no one to find out on it. This week in Tier 1 is a prime example of that, MAG avoids the map like the plague and it’s largely a battleground for TC and BG.

the lords are ez to kill. I can solo the whole freaking bl with ease. air and fire keep can be trebbed from sec and swc. Don’t think you can counter that without a yolo push. The only advantage home team has is how fast structures upgrade or if enemy team hates the map and doesn’t go to it(mostly the case accept for BG). You can literally take a few small man groups and cap the entire bl before anyone can even respond m8. Does anyone wanna do that? hell no. well BG does, that’s it.

I mean, look at T1. any team that gets it is at a horrible disadvantage. No bloodlust + no one wants to go there and defend it. At best they could give it to the server that has the highest glicko or something. The bosses are super easy to solo so the small man groups will take any objective before you can even show up. What’s up with the bloodlust? they ever gonna do anything about that? Super lazy. If they’re not going to fix the massive issues on the map they might as well just get rid of it till they fix it at least.

Foghladha.2506:

No thank you. If you dont like it stay off it. I love it.

Of course you like it. you can pvd on DBL without anyone responding. Doesn’t change the fact that the map just isn’t working out.

Ranger Emeritus.2905:

Sorry guys having some fun. Someone who i respect had made a post that there was a great matchup in T1. I wanted to point out that a great server was being double teamed and it wasnt even close without it. I thank the fellow who came on from one of the servers who, in his hurry to insult me, verified what was going on. The Beast is till very much the Beast. Been there 2 weeks on another account and I am impressed. Block away, point made. Merry Christmas!

There’s no double team m8. we wanted to bring the fights to BG BL for once.

PPK has been killed by ANET’s new upgraded objective ppt rewards. It’s all about sitting in a keep with 50 ac’s out there instead of fighting.

Jayne.9251:

jamesdolla.3954:

Jayne.9251:

jamesdolla.3954:

Trajan.4953:

jamesdolla.3954:

Mag doesn’t like this cuz,

No blood lust

Super hard to get around

No one goes to them but ppters

The server that has the red BL is put at a disadvantage

every keep can be glitched into

Do us all a favor and get rid of them. thx

Fixed that for ya.

the activity levels are super low on red bl’s in all tiers from eu to NA. might as well have an underwater map.

That’s not true for EU.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gw2WvW/comments/5dnngw/euna_kill_stats_1111_1811/

It is m8. lowest activity levels in nearly all tiers. eu and na.

Because the GvG guilds have taken it over.

GVG guilds go there because no one will bother them on that map. literally empty. They’re smart.