Guild Wars 2

I hate to be cliche and I hate to incoherently rant but I’m going to do both.

We were designed to be the shadow assassin archetype that are found in every mmo where permanent stealth exists. Stealth is annoying, its infuriating and it makes players whine and whine and whine until game designers take notice and start making indiscriminate and completely unnecessary nerfs to a mechanic that is directly tied to our survivability and damage mitigations. but no, why stop there, lets even nerf a thieves ability to consecutively dodge the inevitable stun locks and dazes and take away any and every chance they may have had to escape. And what Auesis said is probably the most ludicrious thing about all of this. 3 classes retain their vigor in full. If we can not in some form rely on extended stealths and the ability to have numerous evades, then what does that leave us with?

Our condition removal is hardly on par with every other class and thus I feel forced into at least 5-10 or even 15 points in shadow arts then I feel forced to choose hide in shadows as my heal. I’d much rather be immobilized and crippled than have stacks of bleeding, poison and burning on me.

Arena net, You and your developers may consider the Dagger pistol black powder heart seeker as an exploit of your game and if it is, it is your fault for letting it exist for so long. You kept nerfing everything else so some players found a way to make the class not only viable, but with a complete weapon set of useful skills. but you didnt just nerf this, you nerfed the very thing that makes a thief function…. initiative.

Its like you just decided to punish every build over one weaponset, whats wrong? Stealth traps and sic’em didnt work out the way you wanted them to? Sword dagger didnt need to be touched, assassins reward and hard to catch are a joke but you gave me a 1second immobilize on a skill i never use, then made it cost 4 initiative. “gg”

/incoherent rant off.

there is medium armour by the name of “pirates”, it drops everywhere and is on the trading post. There’s the rascal coat which Id like alot more if it didnt have that silly looking bandana at your characters neck, theres also the commandos coat that you get from your personal story, level 78 or so if I remember correctly. which is easily my favorite chest piece in the game.

Zero Day.2594:

Already started re-rolling to warrior, lvl 3X atm.
I also need to choose between a light armor class (necro/ele/mesmer)…

they’re nerfing elementalists again too, which is the only other class I have any desire to play.

This is a bit…unbelievable. I play pistol dagger so I’m not actually sure where my build stands enlight of all this crap. I lied in another thread that I wasn’t going to stop playing my thief but yea, this is the last straw, even more pathetic was that I was going to start playing my elementalist full time but I see they’re getting nerfed even more too. this just makes me “lol”

seriously arena net, your game is becoming a complete joke.

Malcastus.6240:

The proposed update changes aren’t final. They put it out to get feedback. Now get back to https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Dec-10th-Balance-Preview/first and say your oppinion, but please do so in a non-threatening manner.

I know how frustrating that they hinder build diversity at every corner by unjust changes (a lot of them!), but try to be less pessimistic. While I am baffled that they even proposed all of those changes, I don’t think they want to kill off elementalists.. at least not now.

“these changes arent final” means they’re final. everything thing theyve ever decided to nerf/add has gone through as is, everytime.

they seem to be swinging the nerf bat at everyone with no actual reason or explanation as to why but the elementalist has more ground to stand on than anyone else save thieves (yes, dagger pistol had to go but every other build wasnt stupidly over powered) I bring up that class because its my main and only 80, I was going to shelf it for my 65 elementalist but reading these threads now I’m just going to give my money and crafting items to my guild and call it a day.

I’m not going to stop playing my thief but I dont know, something lately just doesn’t feel “right”. I can’t explain it or pin point it so yea, I have that feeling that others seem to have.

“every other class can just simply do this better”.

signet of malice with apothecary jewelry ( a few pieces or all 5 slots) works really well with condition builds but blinding powder utility and being good at timing/landing cloak and daggers is definitely a must.

that sort of setup is demonstrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XDPeOfvS5I

good luck

Genev.2450:

./facepalm
Who transfers without checking the situations on a server, let alone if you’re transfering cross-continent.

Also, equating Silver League NA with Silver League EU is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard, you’re a NA guild, you would have a Massive impact even in T1 gold league and you join SILVER league? Dear god, do you know ANYTHING about EU servers? Or did you just go “hurr durr every EU server has NA coverage, obviously, because ’murica so kool!”

And oh, I’m fully aware of the numbers in t1, I’ve played on 2 nr 1 servers over the past year, and I’ve played against another quite regularly, I also know how the timezones work in EU T1, and like I said – you would have a massive impact even there.
2 minutes of research could have given you the entire layout of the EU matchups and timezones, another 2 minutes could’ve given you the possibility of making an educated decision on where to go.

You know nothing then of the numbers that servers like blackgate, magumma, sanctum of rall and yes, SBI, can field. You apparently cant read either, what started out as a few members transferring over here became more and more. We didnt come here or even plan to because we thought or wanted easy fights, the players that originally came over chose to do so because it made their gaming experience more bareable (less que’s and way less lag).

first player I encountered after this patch was a ranger…. and they alt 4’ed on me. If a ranger actually has to use this skill to counter/beat me then the problem isn’t the thief…

Pretty sure I’m not alone in thinking this either.

Shifty.3412:

[SE] seem fine trash talking 1v1 play and roamers on the forum, but I’ve still yet to receive any whispers in game, are you all scared?

waiting to go to work. I’ll be on after 9pm central us time or around there.

Minfast.5489:

@jonwar – oh the delicious irony.
Have a quick look over the first page of this matchup thread. Roughly 20th post down. Hint: it’s your first post in the matchup, and ironically enough, the first post in the thread talking about opposition forces running from their forces etc.

You got no credibility after that post my son.

Oh no, I have no credibility in a video game, what ever will I accomplish in life now?

Ironically I decided to roll with sword dagger in world verses world the other day. spent about 4 hours out there with this set up. Mind you I need alot of time and practice to learn the style of it but I felt like I was being punished for not using or having access to that much stealth as other builds do. strangely I noticed I fared better against necromancers than I usually do, maybe they were just bad players.(fought I think 2 or 3 of them). lost so many fights this day to other classes though that I wanted to throw my pc across the room.

fought a healing/greatsword warrior who I couldnt even touch, once I realised I was going to lose, I simply stopped fighting and let him kill me, that was definitely a “whats the point” moment and honestly playing my thief anymore feels like a chore. Yes “imadbro” and “qq”

Ironvos.9014:

All you SE people have done in this thread so far is trolling , complaining and provoking.
Give it a rest before you turn your guild into the laughing stock of everyone, you’re not far off already.

Your server has called several members of SE scrubs and we’re not supposed to react. Your server has attacked us for being americans and we’re not supposed to react.
your server wont fight unless they have a numbers advantage
your servers “roamers” seem to have alt 4 hotkeyed for the first sign of crisis.

soundaboutright?

Genev.2450:

There is no reason to be cuddlysweet to a zerg guild who came to EU because they want to get rewarded for killing doors and take the easy way out. You say you can fill up an entire BL by yourself, why aren’t you doing that in gold league or NA?

the move wasnt intended or planned out. some players from our guild came over to see what it was like on an EU server. Less/no lag (at the time, not so much the case now) was an inviting factor for myself and a few others but then alot more members started transferring, Oh, by the way, more than half our guild is still on isle of janthir and havent been able to transfer with us. Isle of janthir is NA silver league, fort ranik is EU silver league, so whats the difference between us being here and being on an NA silver league server? We OR your server couldnt compete in gold league, I dont think you understand the sheer numbers tier 1 gold league servers can send out.

So once again I’ll just assume far shiverpeaks is a bit upset because they thought this first week was going to be a walk in the park but oh noes, those big bad americans from SE are just night capping everything. Dont worry, we’re looking forward to fighting a real server too.

Shifty.3412:

Lol, you [SE] PvD guys make me chuckle, if any of you are willing to step outside your zerg and prove you’re worth your weight, whisper me and we’ll set up some 1v1’s.

I’m always solo and will fight anyone, anytime.

I thought sbi’s player base was one of the most loud mouth arrogant servers I have ever faced but far shiverpeaks is right up there and maybe even worse. You all talk about fort ranik players running from fights or intentionally avoiding them but no one from your server will fight if they dont have a numbers advantage.

Whats wrong FSP? thought you had this week in the bag did you? yea, its too bad most of my guilds coverage isnt strong until your supposed “prime time” comes to an end because Im definitely not alone in wanting to shut all of you up.

dear far shiverpeaks,

It gives me a good laugh when it seems no one on your server will actually fight unless you have more numbers. I lost count of the amount of players I engaged today that simply ran away until they had the protection of tower guards or 20 of their best friends. All of the alt 4’s I witnessed today was pretty pathetic as well, If you’re so afraid of dying or giving me 3 points because I’m going to inevitably kill you then go back to being a pve hero.

Im on isle of janthir. fighting you guys at your garrison last night then having dragonbrand show up caused so much lag and disconnects for alot of us that were there. it was utterly unplayable. something hit me, my game froze for 20 seconds( I counted) when it unfroze i was dead and didnt see how or by what.

p.s. the server maintence announcenment was a nice “lol” factor on our teamspeak too. because you know, that would totally fix the lag issues that were occuring at the time. Anyway, I feel your pain and no offense but I’m glad we werent the only ones suffering from it.

these runes are a joke and the players that use them should be embarrassed and ashamed.

Brooklyn.9578:

I know it could not have been intended to be this way…

Straight to the point, after getting to 500, where’s the fun in this? Mindless grinding is my specific point. It would be nice if some lore was added in, travel to Southsun, talk to NPC who sends you on a quest etc…

As is, there’s Nothing worthwhile at 500 all by itself. The carrot seems to never get here.

By the time i’m 1/4 of the way to gathering mats for one Vision Crystal, I’m burnt out and cannot stand to login to the game. One whole bag filled with useless bricks… but I’m 500

(Pre NGE Jedi that is for those that mistake my meaning )

/check

“You feel a bright glow within yourself, The force is with you”

+10000 for quoting that amazing game. holocron grind jedi here

its my day off and world verses world is down?! I have to do something productive nao?!

entertaining gameplay, bad opponents. I’m sorry but a thief against an engineer and a necromancer doesnt win that fight like, ever.

mPascoal.4258:

Hum .. Looks like I have to get a P/V/T set no matter what. I don’t want to farm AC and HotW people only do 1 path

You dont have to if you world verses world. You’ll have enough badges in very little time to get a full set of soldiers armor

gimmethegepgun.1284:

chemiclord.3978:

If you’re of the camp that Ascended weapons and armor as they stand is just busy work to keep people occupied as Arena.net preps more permanent content, I don’t think it’s going to wind up crippling too much.

If you’re of the camp that it’s just the start down a long gear treadmill… then I question why you’re still playing. Because whatever vision Arena.net does have, they are committed to it at this point.

I’d mostly agree.
However, there is a tiny shred of hope, considering they removed gear-based MF.

Im not egotistical enough to think that my opinion of a video game somehow matters to arena net but I’m definitely of the camp that this is obviously the start of a gear/stats based game which goes against everything they said when and even before this game was released, there is no other way to interpret that considering they outright SAID this. theres a REASON casual and extreme players alike made the loud fuss that they did.

I’m a hardcore player and play alot more than i probably should but the sheer cost and materials needed for a player to get their hands on these new weapons is absolutely absurd. I still log in to play because for the most part its still enjoyable to me but that urge and itch to log in every day is becoming less extreme. I stood at the trading post earlier today feeling completely dejected considering my weaponsmith is only 445/500 and I have 9 gold to my name….I had 50 yesterday.

I dont have massive stacks of gold, I dont seem to have this magical luck of getting exhuberant amout of tier 6 crafting materials and I salvage and farm everything I come across and as I point out above, I’m nowhere near achieving my ascended weapon. I dont mind working for things nor do I expect my hand to be held and just given things, but the least they could have done was to make these materials more abundant in the necessary areas, Im not even talking about tier 6, Im talking about all materials in general. gathering and crafting was obviously nothing more than an after thought when it was (very poorly) implemented.

I spent 2 hours running around cursed shore and malchors leap earlier and came across.. 2 orichalcum ores and 2 ancient wood trees. So yea, forgive me and the other countless players for being angry about it, but I guess those truly elite players will continue to interpret it as “whining”. Sound about right?

Stewie.3549:

Not a fun matchup to attempt to learn s/d s/d on my thief in…

trying the same thing strangely. If you’re on later tonight perhaps we could arrange to have a few duels. whisper me in game if you’re interested, I generally stay in isle of janthir borderlands. in game name is Ishi Jo

hey wish, I’ve adopted your gear suggestions to the T and I must say I really notice the staying power and keeping up respectable damage. However, I’m curious behind your thoughts on how much you value toughness over vitality, no math needed, what is your first thought on how important it is to the thief and what would the final toughness rating you personally wouldnt go below?

I ask because I’m trying to learn sword dagger and taking the 30 points out of shadow arts for trickery or more points in acrobatics is losing alot of toughness and armour, I can only begin to make up for these lost points with full knights or soldiers gear. help?

I threw my hands up in disgust when I first read the notes about this but I seriously wont care less until they give it to every class, that’s when I think this “ability” will become a problem because at that point arena net may as well take stealth out of the game altogether.

Even if a ranger actually decides to roll with this utility, itll just indicate to me that these players are raging when I still drop them. ranger tears…mmmmm

Rangers are the first class to get an anti stealth feature, why wont every class eventually get them too?, that is where the “qq” and LEGITIMATE concern comes from with the thieves that have posted here (whether they were constructive or not).

Dagger pistol thieves arent relying on the “crutch” of stealth as you other classes adorably refer to it because “they dont know how to play”, dagger pistol thieves are rampant because everything else that we have isnt viable, at all. The dagger pistol “perma stealth” build is the fault of every other class crying and complaining all the time and every single one of you act as if other thieves dont face these players too.

So an obvious migration would probably have been thieves turning towards sword dagger, oh wait, thats getting nerfed in the SAME patch. Brilliant work Arena net. I dont believe this is the end of the world but this is a direct attack and nerf of a mechanic that was willingly given and put into this game by arena net all the while knowing that amount of whining and crying such a feature like stealth causes. You know what? Too bad. Be mad at them, not us, we’re playing our class how it was made and was intended to be played.

If a single class is getting a skill to entirely negate and take away a major mechanic that even allows that class to function, (i.e. conditional removal, initiative regeneration, healing) then I want a 100% silence skill that completely shuts down and greybars my target for 4 seconds, would that be fair? of course not.

thieves didnt get buffed, they got nerfed, again on 2 weapon sets thieves barely even play. the immobilize will be on pistol main hand #2, the vulnerability on that same skill is weak and costs too much initiative to frequently use considering the underwhelming condition damage it does.

Sword dagger will now only steal 1 boon, not 2 from infiltrators strike (sword #2). but i’m totally on your side on “qq’ing” about yet another buff to necromancers, because another buff is really what they needed. /sarcasm

didnt you know? world verses world players are even less relevant is pretty much what devon carter truly meant

Zacchary.6183:

jonwar.4186:

Zacchary.6183:

“You have my sword.”

THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!

YOU WERE SUPPOSE TO SAY “and my bow!”

YOU SOILED THE COMBO-STARTER!

I know I did. figured I’d throw out a random quote

AND MY AXE!

…better?

Zacchary.6183:

“You have my sword.”

THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!

Pentzski.4620:

I love reading the SBI/IoJ matchups. Far more entertaining than any other thread out there. CD is full of polite people who don’t forum war.

we’re not trying to “forum warrior”, think we’re just kind of sick of each other at this point.

yea, its pretty lame. I bow, salute, cheer after fights i’ve had, whether i’ve won or lost. doesnt matter to me.

Radioactive.1248:

Cynz.9437:

Radioactive.1248:

Cynz.9437:

Tots.3056:

IoJ is still bad.

sbi isn’t better…. wiped so many zergs of yours with just few of us

That must make SE not very good either… considering how many of you we wiped last night repeatedly on IoJ BL

i am talking about today earlier where few of us as pugs not kitten guild wiped sbi zergs with ACs…

i can’t say much about w/e happend with SE earlier, wasn’t on…

Lol, oh god, bragging about wiping zergs with ACs. BP 2.0. I see bright things in your future.

And no I’m not a charr warrior. I’m a sylvari warrior.

she wasnt bragging. probably pointing to the fact that sbi cant actually do anything without 50-100 man zergs hugging towers loading up on siege, which that SIC video clearly demonstrates. always fun to be chased down by 20 of you. oh wait, you dont worry about roamers and small mans amiright?

probably a good thing I cant play for the next few days. less troll emote spamming I wont have to put up with.

any feature that gives such a ludicrious advantage such as this does not and should never have a place in a competitive pvp zone.

the lag over all in world verses world has been really bad since this went live. crashed 3 times in less than 20 minutes the other day. my lag is more fps related, not so much positioning. either way, its unacceptable

I watched your video… forgive me…but…a thief..indirectly suggesting for a nerf to thief. Ya, lets just keep that train rolling shall we? Sword dagger is the least stealthy (barring builds of course) thief next to pistol pistol. I dont see the problem how infiltrators strike works.

- I’m sorry to all the stun locking warriors that are still terrible
- Im sorry to all the rangers who just stand still even though you’re blinded and I’ve stealthed
- Im sorry to all the uplevels I’ve killed, despite you hiding behind your zergs and /laugh (ing) at me.
- I’m sorry that you dont comprehend that permanent stealth is your fault and continue to whine about it.
- I’m sorry I killed you and your 2222222222222222 thief buddies
- remember that one time I solo ninja’d your tower? because your forgot to repair the door? I feel awful for that
- and then I took your bay 8 minutes later? I just wanted to hang out with you guys but you werent there and forgot to sweep before you left.
-Im sorry to all the elementalists using staff, while alone.

pistol pistol needs to either be purely condition based or dps based, not both. critical damage does nothing in the way of boosting conditions and condition damage does nothing to support dps for a thief. our skill trees and the traits we’d have to use to make this set even remotely viable already kitten us let alone having to choose underwhelming utilities to support this set.

15 points in shadow arts allows stealth to last for 4 seconds.

so does this mean blinding powder will now trigger revealed?

maybe even the rogues coat dyed all black/abyss

To the sbi guardian I fought outside of bay on isle of janthir borderlands I salute you, unfortunate that it got interrupted. I was the sylvari thief in commandos armour, definitely one of the better fights I’ve had.

Miss Firesss.3704:

Bllade.1029:

And now we have come across one of the main reasons about why we left Darkhaven.

Dominated by 2-3 Large guilds, guild leaders having control issues/egos getting in the way of teamwork. On top of a PvE population that attacks enemy zergs like they’re farming karka. Doesn’t work against organized groups, leads to fail, leads to demoralization. No one takes the time to teach, only to criticize.

Throws 50 people in a gate, pugs don’t listen. Die. Cry. And leave. DH loses. Like this on all servers, right? Wrong. Great people, terrible WvW population and guild leaders. Namely two, three actually but he’s gone with [MoRt]

Losing [Abys] and [SE] was the best thing to happen to Darkhaven in a very long time. More specifically losing Leone Di Crybaby was the best thing to ever happen to that server.

I see it now. “Wait a second, we lost to HoD?” Thus the the straw that broke the camels back. #kittenstorminfullmotion

Oh wait a second, new tournament coming up? Let’s conveniently transfer to the #13 server to just about guarantee us a win. Look how awesome we are. Let’s talk about that server loyalty i’ve heard so much about.

Be happy Darkhaven, you may not perform the same in WvW, but your community just got a heck of a lot better and that is much more important.

#Transfer2win guilds ftw.

Leone hasn’t been on in months…..

The new tournament is not the reason we left, we were in talks of leaving before this tournament thing ever came about, and our leaders scouted other servers before making a decision that we all agreed on.

You have no idea what you are talking about, so I suggest you pipe down until you do. Didn’t you leave DH a long time ago?

I will really miss running with the few people that I saw in WvW every night, and I wish DH the best of luck! I hope everything comes together for you guys/gals and it works out for you. (Rach, Pancake, Tempest, ect.)

and the same with SE. We were discussing in depth about transferring months before any of this tournament stuff came to light. SE and Abyss were the forces behind darkhaven world verses world, We were (are) both prime time guilds and when our members started logging off to go to sleep other servers had a field day with our borderlands and keeps in eternal battle grounds. We simply got tired of it and we decided to seek other servers but this apparently makes us traitors and we get bashed for it in lions arch by players and guilds who were absolutely non existent in darkhaven world verses world.

I miss my friends on darkhaven but I dont miss sitting in bay at 3 am staring at 50 invaders rolling through our gates knowing myself and the 2 others that might have been there with me could do absolutely nothing to defend.

I wish darkhaven nothing but the best, Honestly.

~ Ishi Jo

somewhat bored of pistol daggger- dagger pistol so I would like to give this weapon set a good honest chance but not really sure of the over all play style behind it. I understand its tanky, isnt designed for burst damage, is centered around boons, evading, etc.

without writing a novel here, how did you sword dagger users learn how to play it effectively? what is your gear, toughness, damage, sigils? I play nothing but world verses world..

no offense but glad I’m not the only one then. 5-10 second skill lag. rubber banding, freezing. This all started a few days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0YIN9daBj75sq8JZvCBSzg

almost 6 gold a piece for just one of these runes and divinity is still as expensive as ever

incoming thief QQ in 3….2……