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Griefers in JP

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i have a mesmer parked in the top of the JP, if you need a port come to SOR

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Worst Necro In NA

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i always turn on fast cast targeting when im rolling on my necro using staff, save me time and i can think fast.

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GW2: Monthly, a joke?

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you know how hard is for me to complete the: kill 60 champion. That will take my whole month i think. hard enough for people to encourage to complete a event where is a useless and worthless champion whit this crappy reward vs time system.

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GW2: Monthly, a joke?

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Hello,

Not here to show off, but I think GW2 monthly achievement should be made tougher. It shouldn’t be achievable within 12 hours. NOT AT ANY COST.

I understand that there are plenty of casual players, but maybe increasing the number of events, champions killed, group events done, etc etc OR by even adding additional categories.

I can post screenshots of my monthly screenshots to prove my point, but I won’t.

Any ideas/suggestions are welcome

this is game is directed to all hardcore and casual, if you think something is too easy to complete for you, you can always have to opportunity to limit yourself in some aspect like:

1. WvW kill too easy: join WvW without utilities and without trinkets.

2. try to farm you own item for savaging achievement and don’t raid the TP as fast you see that requirement.

3. group events: if is too easy try to go Orr and do the groups event ALONE. that will add some challenge to you so easy monthly.

4. kill champion: dont join WvW to this one, instead try kill the karkas champion in SC, and there is a lot of champions in Orr camping skill points.

5. monthly dungeons: dont spam COF1, instead try arah p1-p2-p4, (p3 is a joke skip) and try to do some CM, AC. NAKED, dont even try to run whit all you exotic stuff, try to do some dungeons whit crapy gear, maybe level 20 blue and for sure that will add you some challenge that you wanted so bad.

6. Skill point amasser: well you can reroll a level 1 and level up to 30-40 naked again, so that archivement really give you some hard time and maybe some challenge you so badly wanted.

People always asking anet for hard contest when the hardest contest can be maded by oneself, so the rest of us: (casual) who only have 2hs at day in the night to play also enjoy the contest and have the same opportunities to have currencies.

thanks and sorry for my BAD English. PEACE

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If you can bring back one thing from GW1

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Travel for free to LA can be so amazing.

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I've found a hacker how do i report it

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Also you can /report people in game.

Reporting in game is pointless, been reporting group of the same guild
Using speed and teleport hack in wvw for months and they still doing the same fear of cliff tactic around.

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Rally Mechanic Killing Communities

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The rally mechanic as it stands is breaking WvW communities. I think Arenanet need to address the issue.

If 20 players tag 1 target and all 20 players go into a downed state; the second that target goes down all 20 players rally.

Probably the most idiotic mechanic I have ever seen in the history of gaming.

Most of that tagged player is up level, I see a lot level 1-10 joining Zerg just to lechess xp and karma, contributing almost nothing to the Zerg most than rallies enemies. Level
Up In this game is hell a lot easy, a level 80 whit blue gears is more welcome for me than one level 20 character.

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Do i realy need to roll a Guardian?

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7:00 pm I log on my guardian
7:20 pm join a Zerg
7:30 pm spam 1 and shout some booms around
…..
3:00 am log off whit 0 deaths

Guardian is a best in wvw, I have ele, Mesmer, ranger, necro, thief an guardian and when I want to really have fun I log on my blue flame dude.

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If you can bring back one thing from GW1

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The possibility to really play how I wanted. I remember my monk using axe whit+20% enchanted duration an focus. And my elementalist using destroyer scythe whit +1 fire whit 20%.

A real minion master necro, the 55hp builds, Eco SS necro, splinter ranger/ritualit build. Too many stuff that I will really miss, 1 year in gw1 is like 3 years in gw2.

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In combat-speed decrease in PvE

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Sometimes I just want to pull my eyes out when I’m
Running to a dragon event on my mesmer and some useless trash just jacks pot hit me, Mesmer mobility sooo slow. Speed reduce in combat is a common Korean technique to time sink and prevent you to run contest. Rift use to have this mechanikittenill people start leaving, then they remove I think.

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Killing people in sPVP with no amulet.

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Lol, funny comments today.

Funny to see you have 3 character whit 2 of 5 start in difficult.

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If you can bring back one thing from GW1

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Gw1 whit gw2 graphic.

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Killing people in sPVP with no amulet.

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Maybe is just me but I think this is a camouflage thread asking for a nerf. Troll perhaps?

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Rally Mechanic Killing Communities

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i second, Rally and Uplevel have to leave the WvW maps. WvW should have a minimum req of level 75, Rally system in PvP is wrong.

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What do you do after a huge loss of gold?

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“Leave game”, whine on forum and the log back in a couple of day and watch my character still in front of Mystic toilet. Log off and regret myself.

Don’t gamble in the mystic toilet is my advertise, I will work on my 1st legendary after I get my 1st precursor from world drop. Except bows precursor I will sell right away since ranger sux so hard to waste money on a legendary.

Edit: peace

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Feeling Unlucky?

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I can’t remember the last I get exotic, and when I complete maps for exotic at level 80 I get level 76-79 exotic. Maybe is a trolling way but idk why I get under 80 gear in level 80 map.

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Why can't we control pets?

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We asked for long time a way to control minions in Gw1, we used to have like 15-25 minions up before the nerf, then anet attached the amount of minions whit dead attribute at max 10 minions, and we never ever ever get a way to control thems, at least we can just run and somehow the minions comeback at you spawn, in gw1 they just fight untill they are dead or kill the enemy.

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Gendarran Fields 17 POI

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so i cant complete my map for my alt because some genius Add some contest inaccessible for the current build. i really wish to complete my map and get some exp, but i have to wait till july 2? by that time my alt will be 80 >_<

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human vs silvary

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i dont wanna sound gay, FOR GOD SAKE i have a wife, but human model looks amazing on end game armors, that why i prefer human, i have a sylvari ranger “female” and one asura Ele (my main), and im no confortable whit the way they look.

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human vs silvary

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i used to have a silvary necro long time ago, i created and deleted like 3 times before hit level 20. For my last char slot i create a thief just to understand they mechanic since i HATE thief hes now level 63 (stopped played whit him since now i can stomp thieg in wvw)

Well since the last build balance i give another try to necro this time Human since i like humans (but not logan i hate logan), and now my necro is level 30 and im having so much fun. Its the last build responsible about this change or maybe the human quest line is more fun that the silvary line?

what do you think? human necro or silvary necro?

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My last suggestion.

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My opinion is:
Why we have a profanity Filter in 1st place? im no ok whit this kind of ban, I know Bad words have to be maybe infracted, But IP banned? i think is to much. Also is no good for Anet’s popularity.

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WvW and things that I think could be better.

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to boil it down,

1. uplevels shouldnt be allowed?
2. Arrow Carts are bad?
3. No more 3 sided fights, go to 2 sides (since it worked out so well in other games)
4. no more 3 sided fights go to 2 sides (to reduce lag?)

1. Maybe improve the system for Uplevel more than just raise them to 80. Maybe some Preset gear, preset rune, Just like SPvP, Limit them to just one kind of build, armor, weapon and Force them to hit 80 and get they own stuff to really fell the freedom inside WvW.
2. Arrow cart should be a support system and no this way of exploiting, AC can hit whatever you are, no matter physic, and i bet is no what anet intend.
3. Yes, 1vs1 is fair, balanced and less irritating for the people who get constant 2vs1.
4. Im not sure how the servers work, but imagine 3 people trying getting out from the same Door, Now imagine only 2 people trying the same from the same door. 3 worlds in the same place is no the same as only 2 worlds.

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WvW and things that I think could be better.

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My humble opinion

1. up levels: It’s not fair that a person invests his time to get to 80, have the best items, runes and invest amounts of money to join a zerg and have the same or perhaps less uplevels.Hay benefits a people who take advantage and lead low level characters to wvw to join a zerg, almost do nothing but give the other enemies rally at the rate of its poor performance.

Please note that I am not against a person play or join a WvW, I’m just against it WHILE I make video look, do research, buy runes, I use my karma to buy armor and endless activities, I’m just being exploited by Up levels.

2. Arrows cart: This not to be mentioned because I consider something out of the Logic, unusual Physically, the damage, and the technique through walls, levels of heights, do not think that is balanced to an item that costs: 6s have the ability to stop an organized group of 10-15 people. If we add to this the public who would like to use it more, up levels, but it gets annoying.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/yitm.jpg/

3. 2vs1 or what I call scavenging, really there is no balance in a fight that has three fighters, the battle will be provided between a pair or equal number of fronts, one 1vs1vs1 plane there is no balance.

In my world we are facing normally a stabbing in the back or a 2vs1 which is unfair and does not add anything of value to time spent in the game.
My humble opinion would turn the world system battles against world, in a 1v1, (one to one). and may the best win, no more variables, no more carrion (sorry JQ).

4. Lag, the reason this will withstand 3 worlds in one place, If you downgraded to 2 worlds on the same map, things would be different, better response in the game play, and quality of time you spend in the game.

Among many more things are are some that I humbly think that would not be hard to touch and improve in this game has so much potential to accept ahead, but have not yet reaching out to the fullest.

If you have some more I would like to share with me your ideas in hopes that Anet will listen.

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How to deal with thieves?

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This is how I deal with thieves…let them down me…..then…..

http://i.imgur.com/veQOx9x.jpg

your right, but sometimes i use:

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Symbol of Swiftness RNG

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;this is what this skill say:

Sear a mystic symbol into the target area, damaging foes and granting swiftness to allies.
Damage: 185
Swiftness: 8 s
Radius: 180
Duration: 4 s
Combo Field: Light
Range: 1,200

This is what really should say:
Sear a mystic symbol into the target area, damaging foes and Sometime maybe 40% of the time granting swiftness to allies.
Damage: 185
Swiftness: 8 s
Radius: 180
Duration: 4 s
Combo Field: Light
Range: 1,200

Please Dev check this skill, is really broke

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A painful goodbye.

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seriusly i quit playing ranger, Dps sux and we relay so much on our pets, Anet logic? nerf pet to the ground.
1. warriors whit over 3k toughness running around burting people whit riffle and that class is no even a range class, Just now i get one hit for about 11k whit kill shoot, and im Prot Guardian, Protection Up and 3.3k tougness.

2. The Constant exploiting of this stealth mechanic from thief and what is Anet logic? Boots thief and give them more damage mechanic people complaint, Anet logic? do nothing, Thief complaint about RTL ele, Anet logic? nerf ele to the ground.

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Reward Vs Time

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spend 3 hours in fotm 40+ and just get enough crap drop roughly to get around 25-30s, minus the repair bill around 15-20s just to get the chance for one fractal skin. or maybe 2hours in Arah P4. reward Vs time is no the priority for anet right now,

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Love the dungeon, but One Shot Sucks

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One Shot techniques like… Mai Trin’s shadowstep onto a Zerker Geared Ele sucks bawls… Full health to no health in one shot with no Death Penalty… No way to avoid it, cause it’s not predictable

i suffer the same illness, from 16k to 0hp and cant dodge, what is the intention of this? i refuse to change my gears and build. this is no matter of my skill and my reaction time, is just another Random luck 1 hit kill that anet refuse to stop.

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Dungeon is work not fun

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im the kind of guys that like to play to enjoy a have a good time, whit some challenge of course but everything have my limits. the laser boss is just irritating, is no about my skill or my amount of attention, is just all about LUCK.

i can dodge, run in circle, jump in time to evade the laser, but what is out my control? the golems pull, Is just tedious, irritating, and stupid. No matter what i do to evade the laser somehow a golem manage to pull no matter what.

Anet plz listen to us: We need challenge based on our Skills and knowledge and no challenge based;

-Luck
-Random
-1 Hit kill (this is the only thing about this game that make me wish to punch somebody)
-fixed timed battle.

edit: i managed to end this dungeons 2 times: but i tried to do it again whit the rest of my alts whit a pug. And was a mess…i try to get the achievements but i think is no worth my insanity and my patient, Remember we pay and play for fun no to get stressed.

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Which Class most benefited from patch?

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I’m loving my new Ele fresh air and moving healing rain <3

dint know about moving healing rain untill see you post, i logged right away to test and was so cute to see my moving healing rain.

Thank you Anet for this gift.

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Is that all there is?

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i skip on the kill X trash achievement, i will try to get my last one inside the dungeon: questing mia. and im done.

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Help picking class

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I barely die in Zerg on my guardian: hammer/staff full pvt. 0-0-30-30-10. Soldier runes and shout utility. Is pretty cool. But can sux when you run solo so I switch to Gs/staff.

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Help picking class

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thieves they never get Nerf and other classes Nerf is depending on the thief QQ, like RTL.
i have guardian, mesmer, ranger, Ele and lastly thief. and The thief is my most unchanging class, and you only need to press 3 botton in PVP.

to prove you my theory here some videos of the diferent skill level needed to kill and survive in WvW by one: Elementalist vs Thief:

here some real skillful player using D/D amazing video is one of my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVK7Teeo7sA

here a player whit average skill using D/P in WvW and have best and more reward for the 25% of the work needed for other class to archive same goal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ecl8d0TQGQ

And its no trolling, im mean it. try thief: i myself rerolling one.

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Thank You ArenaNet

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i always knew the hacking come from JQ server.

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Torment - Dont run from thieves?

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i just dont know what to think about the direction this game want me to take, maybe i just shut my mind and reroll a thief, delete all my character and forget they ever exits. every build i make for my wvw characters have to be thinking in counter thiefs.

now they run from you like nothing, now something that will make us dont run from them? what you want anet? what you really want?

Maybe Anet wants you to improve your own personal skill level. I suppose i should clarify, i mean your skill in game, not your forum qq skill

this is insulting, and plz i dont need this. were having a conversation and nobody is offending anybody here but you.

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Torment - Dont run from thieves?

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i just dont know what to think about the direction this game want me to take, maybe i just shut my mind and reroll a thief, delete all my character and forget they ever exits. every build i make for my wvw characters have to be thinking in counter thiefs.

now they run from you like nothing, now something that will make us dont run from them? what you want anet? what you really want?

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Sky Pirates of Tyria-Preview (25th Patch)

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Wings, 100,000 of an item needed, now Sky Pirate Dungeon. Welcome to Aion.

when i get ganked by one overlevel dude i will feel like a real AION.

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Sky Pirates of Tyria revealed!

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I’m calling it now:
Those wonderful new weapons will be locked in RNG boxes, the Aetherblade Caches.

I ll bet you a 5 gold it will be called Sky Pirates Booty Chests.

whit a very rare change to drop the skin.

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Anti-stealth traps are underpowered.

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My only wish is those trap cost the same as one AC. Too bad, Anet screw up this game the exact moment they implement stealth.

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Not a Thief? Reroll.

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I’m not sure what build you’re going for but those stats seem pretty terrible and I’m not sure how you managed them. The attached pic shows the stats of one BM ranger variant I use in sPvP which has 100 more attack, 150 more healing power, 300 more condition damage, and 500 more armor than your ranger. The crit chance and life is a little lower, but not near enough to make up for what you’re missing. Not to mention these are sPvP stats, so you can stack more stats with PvE gear especially with the availability of ascended gear and infusions. Moreover, you can get 25 stacks from weapon modifiers giving you another +250 stats and you can get another +260ish stats from using food buffs. All of this however is irrelevant as you said you were surprised by the thief, in which case yeah, if you aren’t paying attention then you will get hit for lots of damage by thieves. You have 2 dodge rolls (more if you run energy sigils), an evade on your short bow, more evades on a sword or gs or dagger, and lightning reflexes for yet another evade. Thieves are one of the easiest classes to take out as a ranger, so by all means try to get better.

Are you sub 80? Full toughness armor and that’s your defense rating? I don’t even run full primary toughness stat armor and have like 3100 armor on my Engineer (which is also a medium armor profession).

running a full Apothecary gear set, trinkets, armor, weapon, everything. also my weapon boots wast up yet since i was just joining the WvW, and i think i wants using food yet ether

and yea its time to find what im doing wrong, i have a feeling long time ago something is no right in my build.

edit: some modifications and now this is my stats.
edit3: i make a test, the 1st pic was my stats in dead state, the new pic is my real stats alive. I just suicide in LA to see what wrong.

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Fix the lag already

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i just ALT+F4 just now, due the kittening lag inside SM, the AC spam, the Skill Lag and the stupid retaliation make me really hate this game.

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Not a Thief? Reroll.

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full toughness armor, and i got surprised by this thief, dont even have time to WT happen? compare my damage, and hes damage.

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Are loot drops account oriented?

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Im Also think the RNG is account base, and is sad that others people have better stuff then you only based on they luck and no for they skill.

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Achievements not counting for TDBE [merged]

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Same im stuck in 3 archivement

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I'd like items that increase stats (functional)

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everyone wanted a sequel of Gw, but this feel more like a matel game.

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Opening 1000 regular Dragon Coffers [Merged]

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Try just to farm the normal dragon coffer, they drop quite often or just buy them off tp which is cheaper than the rich version one. EVERY mobs drop them.

I got like ~53 crates in one hour farming and got 2 tickets from it.

And we have our winner already.

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Opening 1000 regular Dragon Coffers [Merged]

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this is riddiculous…
i just dropped 4000 gems for these crates and not one skin.

The chances for a skin should not be that low.

That is 50€ for some candy…
Screw this!

Thanks for supporting Aion next expansion.

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Opening 1000 regular Dragon Coffers [Merged]

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and now wait for the guy that got a ticket on his first box and wants to brag lol

Dude I totally hate those guys from my guild chat. I just want to -CENSURED- them.

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Dragon Ball > everything

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If you enjoying your using food for sure. I will jump in when they fix the food exploit.

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Remove achievement description

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No. Description help people like me. Casual to spend less time figuring WTH to do. If you don’t like it just don’t read it. You have the control of you own cursor no?

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