Guild Wars 2

People blaming celestial when it’s zerker the problem…

Beldin.5498:

Belenwyn.8674:

I am quite sure hat the vast majority of players does not want really hard content. Really hard content would mean: not farm-able, no speed clears and each run would feel like the first one.

I think most people want content that is more profitable and with restricted accessibility to rule marker segments as soon as they start to talk about challenging/hard content.

And the players that want hard content, want that also mostly just when they can
get much more loot/money there than anywhere else. Mostly it must be also
“exclusive” loot, so they can show off how great they are in front of all those
unworthy noobs ^^

and what’s wrong with that? you made it sound wrong, but with simple logic thinking, there’s nothing wrong.

i don’t see how this is a surprise that’s supposed to keep us busy in the game

trait update patch please

You have to love greatsword warrior

every one does.

hi, im looking for a guild that runs daily fotm

id is lighter.5631

Meta phalanx build is 05063

ronpierce.2760:

Juba.8406:

ronpierce.2760:

Wolfe.3097:

so what i gather, is we shouldnt have viable alternative choices in builds?

But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to be successful without.

Yes its impossible.

i dont think you play warrior, i think you just want warriors locked down in Discipline just like what we have currently.

I can prove otherwise… like I said a million times, most of the classes find their class-define tree (5th) to be highly mandatory for pvp. It’s a good perk, but we can’t make every kitten 5th tree baseline. Warriors are in a great spot, except for zerker for a vastly different reason (since there are many reasons why you’d want to go into discipline for dps warriors).

I am against many blind buff requests no matter what I play. Everyone is constantly crying about wanting this and that free and baseline and refuse to consider the consequences. And most of the time they ignore how incredibly lucky they are, hence why I said you’re spoiled by the trait.

you can not prove other wise, if you can be successful without it there would be already builds out there without it, but the fact is every single build out there has it, unlike evasive arcana or elemental attunement or clone on dodge or trickery steal which are useless in pve, fast hand is must for all warrior build in gw2

if warrior dont get good burst potential and reliable damage application and cool stuff for specialization then im going to play reaper or hammer engii both seems more warrior then warrior with more useful offensive skills.

ronpierce.2760:

lighter.2708:

ronpierce.2760:

Maybe they should delete fast hands… That’d fix a lot of issues. Compensate elsewhere. Fast hands is literally one of the most OP traits in the entire game. Going as far to ask it as baseline is super selfish. If it’s because of “diversity” then just remove it. (I play warrior pretty frequently, you can’t deny the sheer power this trait has, which is why it’s even being asked as baseline.)

Power creep is already super real, there’s no need for every warrior in the game to have a 5 sec swap. Unless they reduced all swaps to 5, or maybe 8 as a happy medium.

tbh i think they should just remove stealth, boon rip, condition transfer, teleportation, insta cast to be fair and compensate in other ways.

the powercreep is already super real, there’s no need for classes to have unbalanced stuff like these

While I could agree with that, its too late for that. (I disagree with boon rip. It has its place, 2 classes have too much of it). The rest, yeah, but that’s like… 90% of Thief’s design so… they’d have to basically scrap the class. Not going to happen. Thief will always be stupid and poorly designed and thieves will always defend it and cry if it changes, so we have to work in the realm of reality.

what makes you think that it’s not too late for warrior.

every single build has fast hand and it’s been like it since release.

another thing dps warrior face is, kit kit kit dodge away, kit, dodge away, kit

basically what dps warrior has faced for ages.

PistolWhip.2697:

lighter.2708:

back in the days, warrior used to be extremly bad because people can kill it with auto attack, healing signet was a band-aid but its happening again.

Those were the days my friend. I used to get so many compliments in whispers when I won fights years back because Warrior was so underrated. The fan mail was amazing and encouraging to continue mastering the class, and even if I lost people would call me brave for running warrior when no one else would.

Sure it was unviable, and baby tier, but honestly? I enjoyed coming out on top despite it’s shortcomings, for the recognition.

Lol indeed, i still remember people saying stuff like “i admire your dedication towards warrior” in Qs

edit: i deleted my last comment because i think it was off topic abit :p

indeed, i can totally see people dropping cleansing ire after having brawler’s recovery master trait if they make the adrenaline gaining part a base line instead of being with cleansing ire.

ronpierce.2760:

Maybe they should delete fast hands… That’d fix a lot of issues. Compensate elsewhere. Fast hands is literally one of the most OP traits in the entire game. Going as far to ask it as baseline is super selfish. If it’s because of “diversity” then just remove it. (I play warrior pretty frequently, you can’t deny the sheer power this trait has, which is why it’s even being asked as baseline.)

Power creep is already super real, there’s no need for every warrior in the game to have a 5 sec swap. Unless they reduced all swaps to 5, or maybe 8 as a happy medium.

tbh i think they should just remove stealth, boon rip, condition transfer, teleportation, insta cast to be fair and compensate in other ways.

the powercreep is already super real, there’s no need for classes to have unbalanced stuff like these

Jerus.4350:

lighter.2708:

elite spec isnt even stronger.

anet has no plan in destorying all the builds in game now.

Speaking from a PVE mindset, yes they are, at least what we’ve seen so far. I do hope they tone it down to open up options.

how is chronomancer good for pve.
how is longbow good for pve?

you do realize every single spec is getting huge boost too.

imo you can easily swap smite condition with any of the traps.

pair with dragons maw, you destory almost any squishy.

or you can only run dragons maw, it would be devastating too.

a tons of on-point pressure.

elite spec isnt even stronger.

anet has no plan in destorying all the builds in game now.

just going to bump this trait.

There’s no point in swapping minors in the same trait line…

you will have to go full trait line anyway..

@above merging 3 useless adept trait doesn’t make it a grand master trait.
( you can argue that reflection is useful in duels but w/e)
merging 1 ok adept trait and 2 useless adept trait doesnt make a grand master trait.

ArthurDent.9538:

They should make fast hands and cleansing ire compete for the same grandmaster slot because they are very core to warrior and need to be a choice.

(Yes I am salty about the ea fiasco with ele)

Disagree, fast hand is class defining not build defining.
you can not find a working build in all aspect of the game without fast hand for warrior.
fast hand should be based line, discipline line is too good to give up even without fast hand

Elemental attunement is build defining, it’s useless outside of PvP.

Fast hand should be base line, warrior sprint should not, cleansing ire should not

the only thing i like about fast hand being a trait is so i can differentiate good and completely no idea warriors.

Targuil.3741:

Did we master Deathshroud yet?

Yo you see abjured?

and stop necroing old thread.

Obindo.6802:

runeblade.7514:

Obindo.6802:

runeblade.7514:

Ghotistyx.6942:

You realize metabattle isn’t the end all of builds. Burst precision has a distinct and build defining use as does burst mastery.

Metabattle is at least much more convincing than taking your word. When I tried creating different builds with it, I was sorely disappointed with that trait. It is clearly a trash trait.

I will not be listening to any typed up arguments based on speculation because I prefer evidence. You could also submit the build here and I could try it. But then you would think I would be biased if it turned out to be a terrible build.

Also, if you want my evidence:

Trash build 1
Trash build 2
The fact that there is no good builds that have Burst precision.

Now, I’ll be waiting for evidence that back up your claim that burst precision is good.

I truly feel sorry for you. And I hope you realize that metabattle is kitten.

Then contribute to it. If your builds are better than the ones in metabattle or decent enough to be stand against great builds, the site would appreciate your contribution.

So far, I’ve tested and played many pvp builds in metabattle and many of them, if not all, aren’t downright trash except the “testing” builds. That alone is enough for me to trust metabattle than some dude on the internet. A single good viable build in metabattle that has burst precision is enough for me to change my opinion. That is all it takes. If you can get bearbow in the meta/great sPvP section and the moderator allows it, then it enough for me to lose my trust in metabattle. That is all it takes.

I don’t know why you are uncomfortable with metabattle, but if you have evidence that is better than metabattle have to offer? I am all open to that. Now here is why I don’t take words of internet strangers or youtube videos.

/billnyemodeoff

Cba spending hours on that.

I don’t play to sit for a long time analyzing some weird editor writing thing that I don’t understand, would take longer to understand, or I will take days. No ty

Spending hours on what? Metabattle is actually very helpful with simple text for people to understand the builds basic function, if you can’t understand these simple phrases then it’s probably because your understanding of warrior or any other classes is very low.

any thing that has teleportation

messiah.1908:

lighter.2708:

messiah.1908:

MiniEquine.6014:

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

you looking at it at perfect world.
useless compare to meditations. you forget you got no sustain with traps.
as for now i can build up 15 stacks of vulnerability and proc burning and 6 stacks of bleeding with poison on my guard. the point is it get cleanse with the current meta.
so you cant put your traps right away and have to bait the cleanses. thus making it useless
for power uses it may work on point.

Were you the one who said that medi guard will never be viable in serioure tPvP
or like hammer will be useless in tPvP
or even before that Zerker guardian will never be viable in tPvP.

I’m sure you are the ones who do this kind of stuff.

i am the one who test builds and went with carrion hybrid in tpvp before you even thought of it in your dreams…

arent you the one who gets shet talked by Helseth for being a, and i quote, “complete crap” in PvP. indeed i never thought of it in my dream.

Cynz.9437:

not sure if srs
i constantly see GS/LB, hambow and some condi wars from time to time… i wouldn’t say they doing bad

I constantly see condition ranger and P/D thief and PU mesmer and bunker guard and MM necro and Spirit ranger too

messiah.1908:

MiniEquine.6014:

messiah.1908:

so the guardian LB will be more selfish with cc
the traps seems useless in pvp (maybe stronghold)

4k burning dmg is nice but still no condi cover and with other class getting more ways to cleanse the condi guard still be left out (maybe wvw)

If by useless you mean able to apply 25 stacks of vulnerability, 10 stacks of bleed, and heavy burning damage for the opponent even just walking on point, then yea, I agree.

you looking at it at perfect world.
useless compare to meditations. you forget you got no sustain with traps.
as for now i can build up 15 stacks of vulnerability and proc burning and 6 stacks of bleeding with poison on my guard. the point is it get cleanse with the current meta.
so you cant put your traps right away and have to bait the cleanses. thus making it useless
for power uses it may work on point.

Were you the one who said that medi guard will never be viable in serioure tPvP
or like hammer will be useless in tPvP
or even before that Zerker guardian will never be viable in tPvP.

I’m sure you are the ones who do this kind of stuff.

are you kidding me? the auto attack is 1200 range and does 1.6k on heavy and 1.8k on medium

glock.6590:

Medi guard is countered by all 3 celestial classes and many other builds that arent meta. It dosent need nerf because as Sorel said it does have an advantage vs thief/mes so you shouldnt be screaming OP when it happens to be your counter.

Greatsword med beat shoutbow as well.

hammer doesnt.

Warlord.9074:

I think warriors will get AOEs. Before someone say something cleave is not AOE.

Lol, what do you mean, it has to be a AoE first in order to be a cleave.
or else it can not cleave

Arken.3725:

That’s my point, adding 1 extra disengage/leap isn’t going to solve the issue at hand.

We will see what other things the elite specialization has to offer.
From what i heard F3 blocks all attack from the front.

and i mean, leap/rush type disengage can be helpful for WvWers

Arken.3725:

lighter.2708:

Btw, you can actually use wings to disengage now, isnt that great?

It is it’s just for me, (and i’m sure for many others) the issue was never getting to your opponent (like this leap is meant to do) but rather keeping up to which better access to swiftness/cc or a 25% movement trait would solve.

Guardian never had issue to get close to enemy and land damage thanks to instant gap closers like meditation and sword 2.

But non of these works for disengage, Nothing can be used to run away except greatsword leap which is insanely short ranged.

basically this leap can work both ends and enhance the disengage ability of guardian, thats my opinion

Warrior doesn’t lack in AoE.
Almost every single warrior skill are multi target AoE except rifle

Btw, you can actually use wings to disengage now, isnt that great?

Morsus.5106:

lighter.2708:

Guardians before announcement:
“Where is my condi, where is my long range weapon”
Guardians after the announcement:
“Wah, condi, wah ranged weapon”

You’re putting words in a lot of other players mouths. I never wanted another range weapon, and I’m not a fan of condition builds, nor traps. Frankly, if the new trait line is mostly about Longbows/Traps (which it probably will be) I will just stick with my current build.

Again, Specialization is there to fill the blank in play styles.
If you don’t like it, stick with the old ones, it’s never meant to be OP and completely dominate anything existing. It’s just there to fill the blank so every one can be happy.

Not to mention all the other traitline are also getting completely revamped, so it’s not “old”

Guardians before announcement:
“Where is my condi, where is my long range weapon”
Guardians after the announcement:
“Wah, condi, wah ranged weapon”

^this exactly.
Guardian is weapon in condition builds, burning damage was gimick, now you have filler conditions to cover your burn and do extra damage, so condition build might finaly be viable, and Guardian always lacked reliable long range option, which a lot of guardians have been complaining since forever, i don’t see why is this happening now.

but i do agree the name is kind of funny.

You don’t need to use traps.
I’m sure you will find at least one useful and use it.

But you are not forced to use any traps skill when going elite specialization.

Btw you already have spirit weapons that do the same thing, elite specialization is supposed to fill the blank in play styles.

nice fan art

15 message body length

dagger mainhand.

because offhand won’t work

Leo G.4501:

I’m hoping Meditations with their version of shadowstep (lol flash step?)

yea, i do hope we get a form of blinks

So mesmer gets wells
and guardian gets traps

What type of skills do you think warriors will get?

Alone with traps, you will also gain access to one thing that is considered broken and OP

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_the_Trapper

!

That is STEALTH!

You should be able to mail the portal to your friend

any thing that has insta big damage will get the boss obviously..

Lets start with what’s missing

There’s Longbow range increase trait that is missing.

For banner trait, you also miss banner radius, banner cooldown, banner fall damage.

Arms grand master traits are still generally underwhelming.

Dual wielding:
what makes it worth using now with 5% damage and 5% extra attack speed add on?

It’s very limited as well, meaning if i have shield, i won’t take this trait.
also if my second weapon set is not duel wield, then it won’t activate either
I would rather take Furious or even Burst Precision.

Burst Precision: We already know that it’s not good now.
And it’s moved to Arms line, where you already have a tons of Fury up time and precision increase via certain trait, do you think it sync well with this trait?

farther more, it’s never a good idea to put a grand master trait that only focus on Burst skill, unlike steal, Burst skills are generally easy to avoid, especially Furry.

Personal Suggestion: Merge Burst Precision with Dual Wielding or Burst Mastery.
If merge Burst Precision with Dual wielding, you can introduce some interesting grand master traits, like Remove Bleed from sword and increase power damage by 100% or Leap skills become teleportations.
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Arms Master trait

Rending Strikes: Why do you think it’s worth a master trait by combining two average minor traits?

Opportunist: Why do you think it’s a worthy trait when compared with Blademaster?

Most of the immobilize of warrior comes from Sword, Blademaster gives 20% crit chance increase ( because Bleed auto attack) on top of 20% CD deduction with no ICD.
Sure, there’s leg specialist, but you will have to give up either Discipline for fast hand, or defense for Cleansing ire, on top of that, Strength line is way better for power based weapon other then sword.

Defense Master trait
Cull the weak : why do you think it’s a worthy candidate against Cleansing ire and Last stand.

Last stand : I think it’s a good trait, but why do you think it’s a worthy candidate aainst Cleansing ire

Personal Suggestion
1. Move Cleansing ire to Master Minor, move adrenaline health to adept minor, remove thick skin

2. Make Cleansing ire base line
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Defense Grand master traits

Sundering Mace: Why do you think Sundering mace is a good candidate against Defy Pain and Rousing Resilience.

Mace is never used for damage, so 10% damage increase is OKish, extra damage is never bad.
But Cause 2 Vulnerability on disabled Foe is not good. Daze is increadible short so does not apply, Mace is used the most for defense and Burst skill stun which allow you to land powerful skills from other weapons. 2 Vulnerability is not worth the time to use slow mace attacks.

Other stuff

Rifle should pierce on default

what are you going to do with stances, since every single stance is turning in to a boon except endure pain.

The only play style warrior lack is fast paced, active play style.

Right now, offensive warriors are all played passively.
because other classes have to many utilities (such as blink, insta cast) that can completely dominate a fight,
they can decide when to burst, when to kit, when to do whatever they want.
warrior does not have those skills, when we decide to damage it’s pretty clear because we have to run up to them.
So most of the time, warrior just play passive and react to enemy skills.
which is also why warrior gets boring when enemy is not so good skill wise.

So i hope that we get such fight deciding skills, so we can decide when to burst, when to kit, dominate the fight instead of just plays passively.
this is what warrior lacks the most, i hope zerker war will finally be viable again after 3 years in PvP.

ok guys this post is made back in 2013 feb when cleansing ire didnt exist and healing signet was useless.
now /thread

Warrior is always last, there is still 8 weeks to go lol

There’s a lot of possibilities after patch, you never know.

See, even they put merciless hammer and burst mastery together.
You can pick, now in master, Brawler’s recovery to cover your condition clear lose.
And also you can take Defy pain with merciless hammer now, before you can only take one.

and you will have 3 grand master trait, so you can either take Berserker power for +% damage.

Yes, it was definitely fun, nice to see a lot of people applying for tournaments and participate in PvP events