Guild Wars 2

Dee Jay.2460:

90% of comments defending night capping are simple one-liners that don’t contain a single argument and rarely go beyond “Don’t be so selfish”, “my night is not your night” and “why do you hate Australians”.

Because this is what it hinges on when you devalue the efforts of players that are playing the hours that are in their primetime.

This game is global, and WvW is 24/7. Up to you to work out how to make your server deal with this (hint: organise and get some representation during this time, if your server keeps facing another server that has already done this).

Eventually it will balance out – there will be 24/7 servers who face each other all the time, and then a bunch of other servers who don’t bother organising themselves.

Stop complaining and organise your servers.

It’ll balance out eventually, once the 24/7 servers establish who they are. I suspect there’ll be a few properly 24/7 servers, and then there’ll be a whole bunch of other servers that don’t organise themselves and don’t really care about WvW.

RamonDomke:

Hi Everyone,

All is fair in love and war – and as love, WvW is a battlefield.
There are exploits, I’ll give you that – but then there is coordinated effort to ensure your world or your team uses each and every resource they have to their advantage.

War is not fair, war is not pretty, war gets out the worst in us – and the best – and even if we have excluded open world pvp from the rest of the game, this is exactly what happens on the WvW maps: It is the ‘playground’ for strategists and great tacticians, it is the place for coordinated efforts and mean ideas in the middle of the night.

Night capping is one of those valid tactics to score some points in a lasting battle – to get your world the upper hand, or cancel out daytime supremacy by another well coordinated opponent.

As Guild Wars 2 will progress in time, so will world vs. world and core gameplay mechanics. But for now, night capping is one valid possibility to ruin your enemie’s days – pun intended.

Thanks for the reply. It isn’t very nice hearing a few people constantly trying to make our only playing time worthless. Hopefully these people will stop harassing the Oceanic community after hearing your response.

Also after all the insults and attempts to destroy our playing time, they’ve messed up their relationship with people playing in the Oceanic etc timezones. Why would we go to your servers seeing as we clearly aren’t welcome.

I sadly suspect I’ve just stumbled across a crazy person.

Fury.6248:

Your bragging on forums talking about how people are trash talking all the same time avoiding real pvp? So.. your encouraging winning while people are not playing in WvW and avoiding pvp when people whisper you… yet we are suppose to take you seriously?

I’m talking about your anger/trash talk for the Oceanic players, saying our efforts are effectively exploits and worthless.

Where am I bragging? Btw the character you’re messaging is a low level warrior, which I’m levelling atm. I don’t see how this is an issue for you, so stop harassing my character ingame, thanks.

Fury.6248:

lollie.5816:

Well your guild leader needs to come in and sweep you up.

People posting here should have to show what server/guild they’re in. The trash talk in here (see above) is shameful.

People posting here have your User ID: Lollie.5816 who is currently in bloodtide coast area. I’m sorry did you miss that whisper in game while your currently logged in telling you to meet me in the mists? You can stop pretending now.

Uhh yeah I have an afk warrior there. What’s the issue?

What are you doing in this thread, if you’re not in the current vs HoD matchup?

What server are you from? Because as it stands you’re making SBI and ET look bad, assumption has to be you’re from one of those servers unless you name what server/guild you’re on after all this trash talk.

Well your guild leader needs to come in and sweep you up.

People posting here should have to show what server/guild they’re in. The trash talk in here (see above) is shameful.

^this guy is just embarrassing himself and his server.

Fury.6248:

LOL! Hahahaha, this kid is comparing a competitive game with equal teams at all times. To a lop sided video game mode that favors having more players on a team at all times. Putting it nicely…You have never played a sport in your life. Football players don’t win the super bowl to forfeits. You get penalized for having more players on the field. You are very ignorant to have said this statement. Nothing is a real competition without skill being the only deciding factor. Till then your all arguing about whose the best in a game mode that clearly has none at all.

Well my advice would be to get some Oceanic players…but it’s probably too late, you lot have acted like such complete dic.ks with all this bad sportsmanship and spewing all this hatred for “nightcapping” (which is just us playing during our natural hours) you’ve probably alienated the Oceanic community. Doubt few of us will want to play for your side now.

MHogan.7813:

The post wasn’t about the teams and their behaviour. It was about an artificial issue which severely impacted the result after all 3 teams had spent a hard 4 days fighting. Any artifical event which impacts the result should be call for a rematch.

Soooo…did all the other server matches get screwed up after this reset, or did only this one match magically get screwed up.

How do you suppose all the other servers will feel about a global rematch of all server matches after all the work they’ve done.

Malarky.9546:

Some people really complain so much. Is it because HOD had a big come back? Now people are screaming “unbalanced?”

Yes it is. Argument is: because Oceanics exist, therefore unfair.

“The night crew” plays during those hours because that’s when we can play.

/end thread

-If you have a fast computer, you have to stand completely still 2 seconds out of every 10 seconds to emulate the framerate issues others might be experiencing.

Eihder.8961:

Oh and also war doesnt have points determined by how much of the map you have captured.. or i would dare say america is in the lead!

Actually I’d say China was in the lead. America’s kinda broke.

Jacky Nipper.3846:

Those ideas have their faults, u cant selcet the peak hours like that, the players themselves have to decide what is an peak hours for their server.
Some examples: some server which will have at any given time queues to every map meanwhile opponents servers will have around 20 ppl on each of those maps, this cant be even fun for this server with queues at that time cmon lol what are those ppl actually doing there??? so the score gain should be SCALED according to each map and its servers activity (full maps – normal score as usual, thats where should be the main score counted from actually) And dont get me wrong there will be even several servers which will be able to fill all maps at anytime, it have to be really entertaining on such, but there are others as well…and running on the maps w/o any enemies isnt anyhow interesting for those who met such low activity server anyway, dont tell me guys who experienced this were enyjoing it actually. So the score gained in such situations should be somehow modified, its up to Anet to find correct formula (i know that wont be easy one). Also I can agree on those thought, about showing the actualy score, its not motivating very much unless the differences are minimal, which isnt the case in 90% of the match-ups right now. Just pure table who is leading/second/third is enough.

Be aware that the OP was being ironic.

Eihder.8961:

Sadly there is no oceanic server and i really do think that is unfair. They should just merge them all. Playing on a eu or na server wont matter so much as your ping in such a case. Or they could shell out for oceanic servers.

What do you mean “merge them all”. You mean merge all Oceanics onto one server and then what…how do you propose we get to WvW if there’s only one server?

Or do you mean merge all Oceanics onto the one server then let us get nightcapped by NA servers we get pitted against :P

Love how you’re freely herding us around like cattle.kitten off.

There is no nightcapping. People are just playing during their hours, get used to it.

Eihder.8961:

While everyone is welcome on every server logic dictates that ‘night’ for a server would be night in the area it is located. This is why i did not join a EU server, and much to the point localization does determine certain factors such as language spoken. Once again why i did not join a EU server.

What servers do we get to have OUR day on then?

Narathkor.8541:

Here is your fatal flaw. These are NA servers, your so called peak times are NOT peak times…so f you.

So Oceanics aren’t welcome on NA servers? What servers should we be playing on then smartarse?

azizul.8469:

Kracin.6078:

azizul.8469:

Clever.7918:

Who’s ET? This is SBI vs HoD.

where are those self-centered RUIN ? can’t be sleeping are they ?

we were on, but not everyone has a massive night force.

and its pretty obvious that the rest of the server doesn’t want to deal with going from 250 points back to 0 every single night, and then having to hear how awesome hendge is because they have ridiculous coverage (definately not skill, lets not get into how bad they were losing when queues were up all weekend ).

see you guys in the morning, so we can take back half of our maps and then lose them tomorrow night

ah so you’re saying those in Thai and PH guilds that play on ET are not skillful as well ?

Yeah looking like they don’t want to keep the Oceanics they currently have.

SoPP.7034:

Nick.3926:

I know your post is sarcastic, but you do realize you are playing on a NA server right? NA as in NORTH AMERICA, the continent. The one in which you are not a part of.

I want to know why this genius didn’t back us up when we asked for an Oceanic server?

Seems in MMO gaming Oceanics always get either completely ignored for being too small a population (see lack of SWTOR local servers at game launch) or in this case too big a population and blamed for nightfriggincapping. The immaturity of these people, I only hope they actually are <14

Nick.3926:

I know your post is sarcastic, but you do realize you are playing on a NA server right? NA as in NORTH AMERICA, the continent. The one in which you are not a part of.

It’s only labelled NA because of server location. You don’t have to be trueblood american to be allowed to play on these servers. There is no Oceanic located server, Oceanics are actually directed to play on the US servers (better ping, yes 200ms-300ms is better than 400ms-500ms on Euro servers)…therefore these people have the same right to play on an NA server as you do.

Yeah let’s ban players in other parts of the world from playing during their hours…der.p.

skjutengris.6923:

nightcapping has to go away.
its a broken system and bad design.

It’s not nightcapping. People are awake during those hours -there’s a whole world out there.

Mulitplex.2017:

lollie.5816:

Grim West.3194:

In the end it is only going to be solved by ANet, if at all. I can assure you that whatever happens, many players on HoD will not like it.

What are you expecting Anet to do? Ban the Oceanic players from playing in their own hours? You’d rather we couldn’t play during our peak hours, than go to the trouble of recruiting Oceanics yourself?

Then there’s the fact ET beat the two main Oceanic servers during their matchup vs IoJ and SoS. Explain how that happened, seeing as ET has no Oceanic crew.

They could put crank down the scoring according to lowest pop server, cap other servers pop to the current level of the lowest server, they could forcefully move groups of HoD to balance things out.

Who knows? (not us) But, those are some of the potentially disastrous things that could happen for HoD.

Forcefully move groups off HoD? You mean force Oceanic players off HoD? Hey let’s go further and force NA players to the Oceanic servers SoS and IoJ.

Grim West.3194:

In the end it is only going to be solved by ANet, if at all. I can assure you that whatever happens, many players on HoD will not like it.

What are you expecting Anet to do? Ban the Oceanic players from playing in their own hours? You’d rather we couldn’t play during our peak hours, than go to the trouble of recruiting Oceanics yourself?

Then there’s the fact ET beat the two main Oceanic servers during their matchup vs IoJ and SoS. Explain how that happened, seeing as ET has no Oceanic crew.

People are misrepresenting, whining about things they’ve misrepresented, and probably should stop.

Grim West.3194:

lollie.5816:

Grim West.3194:

And what really needs to happen is for HoD players to spread out, but you never thought of that did you? Nope, it’s everyone else’s fault but your own…

What needs to happen is for your guild to either transfer to the Oceanic populated servers, or to recruit more Oceanic guilds to your own server. The solution is really simple, take control of your fate and stop publicly, endlessly, kittening, and generally acting like you can’t fix it your end.

You’re just embarrassing your own server by continuing to post. By post I mean whine.

Well, I have told you twice that ANet’s own data refutes your lame solution. So since you refuse to deal with reality then what good are you?

The only people who should be embarrassed is anyone who still plays on HoD. Nobody who truly enjoys pvp would ever put up with your 7 hour queues, only the lame coat tail riders do that. We all know who they are.

Since when was recruiting a lame solution. The only thing left to do now with your posting is laugh, seeing as your guild leader is letting you run amuck and the ignore function appears to be broken.

Can the leaders of the respective guilds come clean up their less intelligent members from the official forums. I now have a really bad impression of certain servers because of them, pretty sure I’m not the only one coming away with this impression (endless QQ shame for server).

Nick.3926:

You need to spread out.

Are you telling me that Oceanics are causing all the queues on this one server (HoD), and therefore need to leave their server?

Grim West.3194:

And what really needs to happen is for HoD players to spread out, but you never thought of that did you? Nope, it’s everyone else’s fault but your own…

What needs to happen is for your guild to either transfer to the Oceanic populated servers, or to recruit more Oceanic guilds to your own server. The solution is really simple, take control of your fate and stop publicly, endlessly, kittening, and generally acting like you can’t fix it your end.

You’re just embarrassing your own server by continuing to post. By post I mean whine.

Ahh this is just weak. The leaders of various guilds need to tell their members not to post on the official forums (at risk of being booted from guild), because they’re making their servers look stupid.

Grim West.3194:

lollie.5816:

Grim West.3194:

Your nite crew zerg can not be matched by any other server. There aren’t enough oceanic WvW players to go around. And when most of them are all on one server then everyone knows there isn’t any point.

Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir is full of Oceanic players. Maybe transfer your guild there so you can join forces. I’m sure they’d be happy to get some more NA players there.

ET owned those servers all week last week. And nobody has the same number of Oceanic WvW players as HoD. The queue time info ANet provided is not a lie.

ET owned the servers because the NA people aren’t there in the numbers. Basically NA is night capping those two servers while they’re asleep.

Point is if you want to have Oceanics there are two servers full of them. If you brought enough NA people to them you’d have a winning team. Your problem is solved. You’re welcome!

Grim West.3194:

Your nite crew zerg can not be matched by any other server. There aren’t enough oceanic WvW players to go around. And when most of them are all on one server then everyone knows there isn’t any point.

Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir is full of Oceanic players. Maybe transfer your guild there so you can join forces. I’m sure they’d be happy to get some more NA players there.

Well stop being racist and transfer your guild to offpeak hour servers. Mix it up.

melchiz.7182:

Isomyr.6319:

You are looking at it wrong, we all want competitive play, my guild (TRF) rolled with TA because we though being placed in the top bracket would ensure we had good PvP in our playtimes.

If that doesn`t occur then things will need to change one way or another. What i`m after is some actual data ideally from other guilds in the oceanic and SEA timezones as to what their expectations are, what can they field, how often etc.

With that data we as a playerbase may be able to do something, if that means Oceanics transferring, US guilds transferring to SoS or IoJ or alliances breaking up it is better than the game dying on itskittenbecause we all wait for a non ideal mechanical solution.

I laughed. Good PvP is setting up rams at undefended doors and killing Tower Lords? You’re confusing PvE with PvP.

Do you just quote random posts without reading them or something?

The guy you quoted is saying if you want people on your server to play during NA offpeak hours, you need to get Oceanics to play on your server, or transfer your US guild to the main Oceanic servers. Really kitten simple.

NA night time playing is Oceanics day time playing. There is no night capping. Playing during our day is a valid tactic, because that’s all we can do anyway. WTF is wrong with you guys, kittening non stop about people playing in their own friggin time zone. You want us to not play?

WTF

Wait I’ve got more. Oceanics play with a 200ms-300ms latency handicap. Maybe we should give this latency handicap to NA players as well, you know, to make it fair.

Kracin.6078:

lollie.5816:

It’s kitten rude. These people calling for nerfs during our only peak hours need to go get an education. THE WORLD IS ROUND – DEAL WITH IT.

the world is round, the problem is not NA and its not oceanic…. its when only 1 server has the majority of both on it. because we know there are lots of NA servers, and there are some pure oceanic with some sprinkled NA… and then there is 1 server with the majority of both.

You can’t make people play where they don’t want to play. People go where they want to go.

If you nerf NA offhours then you’ll also have to nerf Oceanic offhours (imagine how that would go down with NA). I’m sure the main Oceanic servers would appreciate that, yet you don’t see them endlessly kittening about that stuff.

It’s kitten rude. These people calling for nerfs during our only peak hours need to go get an education. THE WORLD IS ROUND – DEAL WITH IT.

I’m oceanic and I’m getting angry that you can’t see when we’re asleep you’re capping us during our off hours, which is unfair according to your logic. Would you prefer that we aren’t allowed to play at all? Maybe NA players need to be handicapped during our sleeping hours.

Zahdane.4029:

Really the NA members of HoD have nothing to do with the imbalance.
It’s not their fault that the Oceanic servers don’t want any challenge and choose to all play on the same server.

Some people like pvp and some people like to break down doors without opposition.
To each their own I guess.

Oceanics don’t all play on the same server though. They just probably don’t want to play on YOUR server because of gim.p comments like that.

Reported your post and put you on ignore.

Artorous.8573:

lollie.5816:

Waiting for them to start selling crafting mats in the gemstore…

And I’m waiting for people like you to leave this game. Seriously. There’s nothing in the gemstore that gives anyone any sort of boost but trolling and saying they’re going to sell mats is beyond ludicrous.

Excuse me? I actually buy gems with real money, so if you want me to leave game I think Arenanet might have an issue with you.

Wait till they start selling crafting mats in the gemstore, looks to me like it’s coming.

I’d like to see traits fixed and actually working before nerfing our friggin drops AGAIN.

Yeah it’s getting too punishing to hunt crafting mats. A few people farm relentlessly and they end up making the game worse for the rest of us by making it impossible to pause for a few minutes and TRY to get a few drops with this friggin anti farming code. Not happy.

Waiting for them to start selling crafting mats in the gemstore…