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(though no one has ever been upset at me for saving everyone from the shadowsteps every time
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Well I’m mad at you for it now. So that’s one
D: time to get gud
By the way, Sandy, if you have a video of how you handle all the projectiles that’d be much appreciated.
How I ‘handle’ all the projectiles? As in, in a team setting?
Yes, exactly. I’ve seen your solo, which is fabulous, but you were saying you handle all projectiles in melee in the reply above, and so I’m curious how that works out in practice, as it’s very different from how I’ve always played against her. If there’s a better way, I always want to do it that way, ofc
Well you can reflect pretty much every shadowstep attack (if the warden don’t bug out and there’s no AoE where Mai Trin is (and if your party is quick enough, you don’t need to use the wardens). Guardian can save an aegis for the group in case you don’t have reflects up.
You can basically reflect 3 shadowstep in a row without Wardens with Curtain -> Feedback -> Curtain. With Warden, you should have perma reflect, but since it’s not that reliable, you should probably count on another team member after the 3rd reflect for an Aegis / Wall / Swirling Winds or even Magnetic Aura if you have an Aura share Ele (but I seriously hope you don’t).
Also as a mesmer you can portal everyone to a safe spot for the cannon phase (I usually go for the portal after one of the shadowstep attack when Mai have less than 4 stacks and is close to the canon phase.
Why do you prefer to reflect it? Just so you can stay in melee? (and don’t you need to time a careful dodge when this happens as well?)
We prefer to reflect it because that wat you dont get user like a slave mesmer to not participatie in the fight. Going max range is a waste of a party slot, and exactly why mesmers arent liked
just be a man and hit her, reflect when you neef to and go max range only when you are out of reflects and you expect her to shoot(shot timing is related to when she uses her spin).
Sandy and Jerem teaching max to mesmer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64&feature=kp
(though no one has ever been upset at me for saving everyone from the shadowsteps every time )
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By the way, Sandy, if you have a video of how you handle all the projectiles that’d be much appreciated.
How I ‘handle’ all the projectiles? As in, in a team setting?
Yes, exactly. I’ve seen your solo, which is fabulous, but you were saying you handle all projectiles in melee in the reply above, and so I’m curious how that works out in practice, as it’s very different from how I’ve always played against her. If there’s a better way, I always want to do it that way, ofc
Well you can reflect pretty much every shadowstep attack (if the warden don’t bug out and there’s no AoE where Mai Trin is (and if your party is quick enough, you don’t need to use the wardens). Guardian can save an aegis for the group in case you don’t have reflects up.
You can basically reflect 3 shadowstep in a row without Wardens with Curtain -> Feedback -> Curtain. With Warden, you should have perma reflect, but since it’s not that reliable, you should probably count on another team member after the 3rd reflect for an Aegis / Wall / Swirling Winds or even Magnetic Aura if you have an Aura share Ele (but I seriously hope you don’t).
Also as a mesmer you can portal everyone to a safe spot for the cannon phase (I usually go for the portal after one of the shadowstep attack when Mai have less than 4 stacks and is close to the canon phase.
Why do you prefer to reflect it? Just so you can stay in melee? (and don’t you need to time a careful dodge when this happens as well?)
@frifox
thank you for the fast answer. That is The perfect scenario and I apologise for mentioning that. But I also said pvp and as you know you cannot always be hitting the target, running, not always having 2, lets not mention 3, phantasms out.
My weapons choice is pistol and swordman. Yes, a phantasms only comparison would be really appreciated, thanks!@maxinion
thank you for your input. I will check the link in your sig. As I said I’m concerned with pvp. I know about iwarden being a hard hitting panthasm but… doing some tests first. Will check how he permorms later
PS: what do you mean zerker amulet nerfed? because of ferocity perhaps?
Sword/pistol and sword/sword is perfectly compatible with the builds I mentioned— you’ll just want to replace Inspiration VIII with something else (maybe defensive).
I just mentioned the Berserker’s amulet because it converts some portion of what should be an offensive stat to vitality instead, preventing you from running “full” glass cannon. So the numbers from PvE won’t be 100% applicable, but whatever is highest damage should still be more or less consistent.
If your teams in a pickle you can use untraited wardens on horrik to stop his op cannon shots. Useful mesmer tip.
TIL!
Thanks, glad you liked my guide!
While the Nemesis video (just checked it now) isn’t complete trash, he does say many wrong things. He uses Ether Feast instead of Mantra of Recovery in a Mantra Build… O.o Greatsword is bad (except in open world, where laziness and convenience are ‘important’), and he more or less completely neglects discussing reflections (as far as I can tell… I’m not going to watch all 30 minutes of that…). He does Bloomhunger without Feedback… He shows “AoE potential” by summoning a Phantasmal Berserker and camping GS instead of just meleeing and cleaving with sword and using Phantasmal Warden…
Anyway, the overall picture he presents is fine, but the details need quite some work.
By the way, Sandy, if you have a video of how you handle all the projectiles that’d be much appreciated.
How I ‘handle’ all the projectiles? As in, in a team setting?
Yes, exactly. I’ve seen your solo, which is fabulous, but you were saying you handle all projectiles in melee in the reply above, and so I’m curious how that works out in practice, as it’s very different from how I’ve always played against her. If there’s a better way, I always want to do it that way, ofc
Bump for interest. I want to know if I should be untraiting my warden for this fight.
I don’t think relying on the warden to block the shadowstep projectiles is a good idea— the wardens are going to die from AoEs, splash, and just spin at random times. As a mesmer, your better options for blocking are scepter 2 and sword 4 (preferably sword 4 as it hits like a truck). Many parties have mesmers just stand at range and block all day with those abilities to keep Mai from shadowstepping.
Ohmymaxi what is this blasphemy! And technically we aren’t talking about the shadowstep, but about the unblockable attack, so the captain wonders of he should untrait wardens to block that.
This is a fight mesmers should be praising! as its exactly where you can carry a party through, not by standing at range, but by joining the fight and reflecting and blocking her projectiles so your members don’t die! Only if you’re completely out of reflects for a while I’d justify going to long range.
Alright, well, I’ll have to try that more I’ve always just done the “camp at range and block the unreflectable/undodgeable shadowsteps,” like DnT shows here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfpkN_HV7fk&feature=youtu.be This has been hugely helpful in carrying teams, but reflecting the other projectiles is also useful of course (and something I personally need to work more on— before the patch, when she didn’t hit so hard, I left the guard to focus on reflecting those along with my occasional feedbacks).
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