Guild Wars 2

JasmineLong.6514:

maxinion.8396:

inb4 maha

Let’s see if I can beat him to it.

http://www.dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/12956045-ebola-warrior-pve-dps-condition-damage-build-for-solo-play

we win!

inb4 maha

Please don’t use scepter in PvE

(there are a few, small situations where it is useful, but in general… no)

No Pulse.2967:

maxinion.8396:

All of Arah should be doable.

Not the Tar boss.

kitten , yes.

but you can hire pugs for that

frifox.5283:

For fun. Seems like I’m bored of the other gw2 content. Also, where?

http://gw2dungeons.net/?ARAH2

Click on Giganticus Lupicus, and the pop-up on the right has the hp and armor values

All of Arah should be doable.

Sandy’s guide on dulfy.net, or my guide in my sig, has you covered on mesmer. Note that neither of them are exactly solo guides, as solo mesmer does some things differently than group mesmer, but others are more experienced with that than me.

I was being trite, sorry about that~

2/3/0/5/4 and 2/4/0/4/4 are certainly easier to play, yes. They don’t require Mantras, so that keeps your utilities more free to use.

6/6/0/0/2 is lower DPS than 6/4/0/0/4— you can check this using Frifox’s spreadsheet and DPS calculations, even in 30 second fights and even with phantasm ramp-up times. This is also confirmed by many others in detailed testing (DEKeyz, for example). The only thing 6 in dueling gives you is 100 precision, whereas 4 in Illusions gives a large boost in phantasm damage. The damage difference is quite substantial. The only place to use 6/6/0/0/2 is when you absolutely 100% need to maximize Feedback damage at the cost of everything else (since in that situation phantasm DPS doesn’t batter)— this is only the case at Lupi, where the 6/6/0/0/2 build (with Deceptive Evasion!) can allow you to skip phase 2+3. I suppose if you really know that your phantasms are going to be dying all the time, 6/6/0/0/2 (without Deceptive Evasion) can be good as well, but without phantasms, you shouldn’t really be bringing a mesmer to the fight anyway.

The difference between sword and pistol, as you say, is more or less marginal. I think it’s good to use sword and get in the habit of using Illusionary Riposte— this is a hugely useful skill once you get the hang of it (as a block on 9 s cooldown is seriously good). Pistol is probably easier to start with since it doesn’t require reflexes, and the 5 ability is still nice to take off defiant stacks.

So I think we mostly agree with each other actually~

With regards to Mossman: I’m not sure why you would offer this advice if your intention was not to bug him. I’ve played hundreds of fractals, with guildies, friends, and pugs, and never seen him “accidentally” bug in the water.

Esplen’s build is not quite optimal for the reasons I posted in the other thread. I won’t repeat them here.

Use the builds in my sig (which also appears as a sticky at the top). Sandy’s post on dulfy.net is also super great. Greatsword shouldn’t be used in most situations, because your melee damage and phantasms are significantly stronger, and your access to group might stacks and buffs will be better.

And don’t bug Mossman.

Also, ranger (or scholar) runes instead of centaur or gods-forbid Traveller trash. Use an alternate set with centaur if you need speed (cast Mantra of Recovery over and over to get perma-swiftness), and swap between them and your main set if necessary.

And never take Deceptive Evasion unless you specifically know what encounter it is useful for (you don’t want your dodges to create clones and wipe useful phantasms).

See the link in my sig for the current builds that are used by most meta players.

6/6/0/0/2 is less DPS than 6/4/0/0/4 in most situations. Sword offhand is preferred also because of the extra block and high damage from illusionary riposte. The damage from the swordsman is also less condition based than the duelist, which can be important depending on the party composition.

Also, @Esplen: getting Mossman underwater, really? And fighting Mossman without reflects, really? :\ Don’t encourage people to cheese.

LordByron.8369:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

LordByron.8369:

Why most people complained?
Because it dies too easily against zergs in WWW due to aoe stacking.
That happens to be the exact thing happens in Fractals with aoes everywhere PLUS aggravated pathing issues by the weird stages.

Also still waitinig for someone complaining of my efficience in fractals IN GAME…..

They complained because their free out of jail card on a 9 1/2 second cooldown got fixed to actually do what it was supposed to do, and that this particular thing got fixed before 30 class breaking bugs.

Not obnly you are horribly wrong, proving a lack of knowledge about mesmer (you possibly never played one), but also you don t want to see wich skill they could fix.

The 2 skill is almost identical to many Others profession’s…
Was fixed possibly by some dveveloper that doesn t have an idea on how the game works but just reads the code.
As happened with mai trin.

And many angry mesmer players wrote a list of “fix” similar to ileap that would ruin the game for almost any class.

It was obviously provocatory, but i dare you to tell again what you said if they actually go on with that list.

~no one cares about iLeap for PvE~

Ropechef.6192:

maxinion.8396:

RagNoRawk.3625:

Purple Miku.7032:

Btw, I’ve been hit for 60k fall damage while running through Lion’s Arch on flat ground before… just straight out of nowhere.

Proof of the presence of admin abuse in gw2…

/kill Purple Miku.7032

“I bet he can’t solo Lion’s Arch!”

Why do I suddenly have a mental image of Purple’s next stream

(puts on best nature show host voice)

“exploring Lions Arch with purple Miku”
“now if you look here, just beyond that wreckage you will see the fabled bearbow Ranger.”
" Here you will see the Fierce Dungeon Speed Runner. notice they are Afk by the bank"
" Look honey, Casuals!"

“Crikey, look at that, it’s a Staff Guardian! Watch out, I’m going in to explore…”

RagNoRawk.3625:

Purple Miku.7032:

Btw, I’ve been hit for 60k fall damage while running through Lion’s Arch on flat ground before… just straight out of nowhere.

Proof of the presence of admin abuse in gw2…

/kill Purple Miku.7032

“I bet he can’t solo Lion’s Arch!”

They nerf things that don’t take skill to farm.

They don’t nerf things that actually take skill to `farm’.

Seems right.

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DEKeyzToChaos.7381:

maxinion.8396:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Mesmer isn’t terrible.

I think it assumes full phantasms and no ramp-up for phantasms and no phantasm death. This is not possible in most situations

Ramp up is included, phantasm death is not. DPSing without dodging at all is not possible in most 30 second battles, as well – but I assume such a scenario.

Sorry to derail, but another question then— are you assuming signet of ether for ramp-up shortening?

Thanks for the clarification!

EDIT: Just checked your post, and you said 4-5 seconds for ramp up, so that has to be using signet of ether. Very nice to see that in a 30 s battle, mesmer is not a huge loss.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Mesmer isn’t terrible.

I think it assumes full phantasms and no ramp-up for phantasms and no phantasm death. This is not possible in most situations

Septaryeth.1970:

JasmineLong.6514:

Septaryeth.1970:

Wheatty.1892:

Was one guy from TS? I remember I ran with a guy like that that constantly called everyone “worthless”, pretended to be a zerk warrior when he was obviously a shout heal condi warrior and kicked me for not having a ranged weapon at lupi. Needless to say, he was blocked very promptly.

Yes, Shatterer Inc. I can’t remember what the other guy’s guild is though, it has a really long name.

Now that you mentioned it, he did constantly bragged how he’s healing everyone in the team and how high his healing power is, and nagging about “must range” when we got close to Lupi. Did that person in your team happen to be a charr warrior too?

I thought he’s kidding or just excited as being “the more experienced one” in the team(why carry the commander badge in dungeon?), because some kids do that. I was only slightly irritated towards his put down during the dungeon as I was naive enough to believe it’s too easy to misinterpret joking as malice on the internet, but I guess I’ll now take face value and see him and maybe his friend(s) as people who actually find self-esteem by abusing others on the internet.

Omg was the Charr warrior talking about himself in third person?

I don’t know if I should name people on the forum. But it’s like you can read my mind.
Yes! I do noticed he likes to constantly refer/praise himself in third person! “[charactername] is ten times mightier than thor!”

oh god i’ve seen him in AC

TKiller.6829:

Trying to sell sneakers to a Nike factory here bud.

I like the effort though~ And there are some folks who do buy paths who lurk/read, so hey, they might get some customers.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

LordByron.8369:

Why most people complained?
Because it dies too easily against zergs in WWW due to aoe stacking.
That happens to be the exact thing happens in Fractals with aoes everywhere PLUS aggravated pathing issues by the weird stages.

Also still waitinig for someone complaining of my efficience in fractals IN GAME…..

They complained because their free out of jail card on a 9 1/2 second cooldown got fixed to actually do what it was supposed to do, and that this particular thing got fixed before 30 class breaking bugs.

And no one has been complaining about this in PvE, because it is an irrelevant skill in PvE (except the immob which can be handy on some bosses like Mossy and Tar, but there’s still no problem with using it on them).

Jeremlloyd.6837:

Enaretos.8079:

LordByron.8369:

Ranger is annoying… expecially with a pet. Only profession that is possibly a hinderance.

My ranger is crying at your ignorance.

Mine too ._. Anyway while ranger might not be in the current meta for most of the speedclear, it’s for me a class I find super fun to play, after my mesmer.

Jerem loves the unlovable classes <3

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Nerf to mesmer’s sword 3 is not huge.

In PvE it’s tiny. LordByron is just being LordByron.

Take a look at Sandy’s guide (here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Mesmer-PvE-Guide-by-Sanderinoa/first#post4225682) and my guide (in my sig) for details on the best DPS/support builds for dungeons, etc.

Even if you spec for DPS (which means a sword + mantra build), your DPS is not… great. It depends a lot on the situation (like whether or not you can keep up 3 phantasms, and how long it takes you to get those phantasms up). The main use of a mesmer in dungeons is indeed reflect + portal (Veil is useless— thieves do this better), but also the occasional utility roles (condition cleanse, stability, boon strip, etc.).

The thing is, GW2 dungeon running is about maximizing DPS and running with the minimum of required support. In terms of the support that mesmer provides, guardians often do it better (except for portal, obviously), while having higher DPS as well. This means Mesmer is not “good” at dungeons. There are some, like CM and Arah and CoF, where the reflects and portal can help out a lot. Fractals I also quite like to play with mesmer, as there are quite a few situations where reflects, projectile blocking, and portals can really help your team.

If you’re mostly pugging, mesmer is plenty fine— your DPS won’t be as low compared to the random things pugs run, and the support you provide will help keep them alive.

For what it’s worth, I’ve been desperate/tired enough to sell p2 for 4 or even 3.5 gp. There are some good values at 3 AM

It’s mostly about getting the armor/weapon skins, or Dungeon Master title.

fixing broken thread thing

Stooperdale.3560:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

If you’re in a low-DPS pug that is STILL dying despite everyone being in tank specs, the occasional short stun/knockdown on a hammer isn’t going to save them. Conversely, if they’re all zerks but just bad and keep wiping, lowering your DPS and forcing them to dodge tells for longer isn’t super helpful either.

Actually it does save them! Have you tried it? The PUGs who rely on a guardian to keep them alive, and have no plan B when there isn’t a guardian, can often be saved with a hammer (at least as swap weapon).

If you actually expect PUGs to not reset defiant stacks with useless abilities at the worst time, You’re Gonna Have a Bad Time

Elite Risen Illusionist
Elite Risen Deadeye (on days where I am failing skips)
That Flame Legion/ Dredge combination after the tunnel in Molten Facility (hit like trucks)

Sanderinoa.8065:

And thanks maxi for allowing me to use your guide as a basis :P I may have used it largely for the build section.

:D Happy to help!

spoj.9672:

The dungeons are fine. We just need new ones.

However many of the current dungeons could be improved drastically if they followed the same design as AC story mode. Open map and choice of which objective to clear in whatever order. You could also combine paths by making dungeons like this.

Basically this~

Nice, complete guide Sandy~

(ps yay no flood control!)

Pyro’s reaction covers just about everything. You can check out the builds in my sig, or Sandy’s guide that Iris linked, to get a feeling for the standard builds.

Staff is generally a no-no for DPS. The phantasm hits hard, but the auto is terri-bad. That’s why Sandy’s builds and mine will focus on sword mainhand.

Allandir.6289:

Yeah, I see new “META” (I really REALLY hate this word) set-up for dungeons/fractals after nerf 4th skill from fgs: 5 zerks (1 guard & 4 warriors (one with PS sharing might[perma 25 stacks of might] and EA).

I remember the words that ArenaNet said some of time ago: Warrior is the most balanced class in gw2. I don’t comment it. My attachment will do it.

i think your picture also applies to your own post

Keep it up team, keep it up

LordByron.8369:

Thorwyn.8469:

But necro, yeah, there is absolutely no reason to take a necro in a dungeon.

Except they are awesome.
Expoecially in fractal they are extremeley valuable IF skilled, way more than a warrior.

lol

Sanderinoa.8065:

Wooooow this is getting super depressing xD I personally still play my mesmer thoroughly and enjoy it for the exact reason I always have. While the mesmer may have its problems at the moment, I have a good time trying to put in extra effort, finding out new tricks to work around our own inabilities. Mesmer is fun for me because it allows me to put some thought in my play.

I have faith in that the mesmer may become viable at some point again, but am very worried about the amount of good mesmers who will be left by then after seeing the enormous pile of depression these forums have come to be.

I still play mes as well, because I Play How I Want, but objectively, it’s hard for me to argue that I’m helping a lot (outside of Fractals/Arah). It’s still fun to reflect things to death, block everything, use wardens for projectile defense, etc.

Domzz.1260:

Bo Van Swill.7619:

As a mesmer main i only play WvW and i solo roam a lot and well if anyone thinks we are useless then they need to l2p because as a mesmer i can dish out huge damage or shut down player with condi’s Mesmers rock but we do need to have a few things buffed and the nerf every time they patch need’s to stop BUt overall mesmers rule.

I think in dungeons mesmers rock too with reflects stealth and time warp.

No.

Time warp isn’t a net DPS gain, given the lack of DPS that a mesmer does (and the huge ramp up time). Sure, you can boost everyone for a few seconds… or you can just do good damage for the entire fight yourself.

Guardians can reflect just about as well as mesmers (enough to do everything in the game).

Sooo… no one brings mesmers on high-end dungeon runs, except for portal (which colesy points out can be replaced with a rather expensive consumable, so most people don’t bother with that).

At this point, it is pretty much useless everywhere, except as a portal bot (and in some particular, niche situations).

I definitely feel like a dead weight on my team in dungeons, except ~maybe~ in Arah and Fractals.

maha.7902:

Swish.2463:

I would play Guardian if they had any decent ranged options tbh…

except scepter is guardian’s highest dps weapon

(for large targets)

twoscoops.6913:

Lol, so OP creates a super anticipated contest and disappears from the face of the earth?

/apologies in advance if something bad happened to the OP!

Dub.1273:

What is this “any class can do just as well if played properly” argument?
Truth is that rangers, necros and engis are worse than other professions.
What’s so painful on that, so that people continuously bring up such arguments. Back to gw1 I never see such complaints. Noone ever gets to the idea of arguing that it isn’t paragons, monks, warriors, dervishes and assassins that are not used in uw because of being bad in that content but rather the players playing improperly. Alright, most of those professions have uses in other sc’s or at least in urgoz/deep.

(don’t forget mesmers)

maha.7902:

Thrown out of the PVE dungeon meta, extremely fringe in the PvP meta, relegated to veil duty since forever in wvw. Mesmer is complete trash and I can’t believe I sold 2000g worth of strength runes while they were a lot cheaper to craft mine. It’s literally a piece of **** class that leeches off everyone else’s success.

but tell me how you really feel, colesy

Ninaran.7621:

I have a question about the general Mantra build 6/4/0/0/4

It uses Domination trait VI, Signet Mastery, but doesn’t use any signets. That seems like a mistake, either with the trait, or the utilities.

What do I need to change?

There’s just not really anything else that’s good in Domination. You can use the trait which increases Mind Wrack damage (I, I think?) to shatter at the end of fights, but… that’s the only other halfway useful one. With Signet Mastery, you’re able to switch your heal to Signet of Ether quickly in the situations where you want double phantasms.

frifox.5283:

That char name…

http://i.imgur.com/QB4SdEo.jpg

ahahahahahahahah

Thanks frifox, much appreciated! Such a huge timesink to do something like this, but it’ll pay off for us all one day, I hope.

I don’t know if I would list the unblockable projectiles Warden section as a bug. God knows the last thing we need is that being “fixed.”

What class do you play?

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Did they ever fix the thing where potions also increased incoming damage as well as outgoing?

This was fixed a while ago, thankfully.

You can play with all stats and gear allocations using http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/, just as an fyi.

maha.7902:

Infracted for saying I notice a lot of ren in pugs. 0/10 dungeon subforum, suck a fat one.

I ran into three [REN] in three separate, subsequent, pugs about a week ago.

come at me, dungeonforumbro