Guild Wars 2

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

Class balance is horrible anyway with many useless builds.

And again I ask; how would introducing dual-classing help that?

I’m not saying it will I’m saying that given that balance is horrible anyway its not a reason not to have dual classes.

TheDaiBish.9735:

Not really. You still get the builds that are pretty much must-have, with others lagging behind, and the builds that are plain useless.

Yes, it’s the same as single professions, but more of the devs time can be spent balancing them single professions to get more viable builds, because they’re focusing on balancing just them skills, and not them skills and their compatibility with the skills of seven other professions.

Class balance is horrible anyway with many useless builds.

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

Um this has pretty much happened anyway…

So your solution is to add another element that would make it worse?

How would it be worse if it already exists?

Are you really saying something can’t become worse if it exists? o.O

[Balance team only has to balance the skills tied to the profession]

is made worse by

[Balance team has to not only balance the skills tied to that profession, but with all other suitable skills that they could potentially use from all other professions]

Like I said other games manage it.

Esplen.3940:

Really? I never knew that I was forced to run my Mesmer with a specific secondary class or build in WvW. Never got that memo.

Most major WvW guilds require players to run with specific load outs. If your guild doesn’t require it bully for you but that wouldn’t change under a dual classing system.

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

Um this has pretty much happened anyway…

So your solution is to add another element that would make it worse?

How would it be worse if it already exists?

Esplen.3940:

morrolan.9608:

Nope because they’ve segmented various parts of what makes a mage a great class, each segment is the lesser for it. My ideal class would be a mixture of ele and necro. They could solve the issue by having dual classes like GW1 did.

And then make PvP broken and WvW require players to have specific combinations.

Um this has pretty much happened anyway and other games manage to do it.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

There was a notable absence from the recent blog post. There was no mention of fixing condition damage in PvE. This should be one of the highest priority issues in the game, yet it wasn’t even mentioned. Are solutions to this issue coming? Or have they been delayed until next year?

An entire year of having half your damage being useless in PvE is not great…

Are there any updates on this issue?

Is the issue with condi dmg the caps on it?

For a game thats meant to be aimed at casual players why the need to get them to log in every single day?

Like I said the fortnightly content should be enough to keep players coming back for a few days every fortnight.

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Copy/paste all (all) armor skins from GW1.

Please.

I honestly don’t know why they don’t do this. Seems like a no brainer even add them to the gem store.

ProxyDamage.9826:

To answer your question: Developers shouldn’t be focusing on how long something lasts in that sense. That would be the first mistake. They should be focusing on making the content enjoyable and sensible. Some people will complete it in a day, others in a month. Doesn’t matter. That’s their problem, not yours. Nobody is forced to step up, so why are some people forced to “step down”?

Once you go down the “this should take one month to complete” road you’re already wrong. You’ve failed. Game over.

And it seems to me that by having fortnightly living story content releases that they should have overcome the issue of keeping players in the game busy anyway, with no need for such extreme time gating.

Gandalf.5803:

All those skills are available between Mesmer and Elementalist, also Necromancer. Isn’t it better that they have managed to create 3 different professions,

Nope because they’ve segmented various parts of what makes a mage a great class, each segment is the lesser for it. My ideal class would be a mixture of ele and necro. They could solve the issue by having dual classes like GW1 did.

marnick.4305:

But on the other hand, it doesn’t require 3 hours raids 3 times a week either like it was in WoW to get end-game crafting materials. It’s not necessary to dump hours and hours into farming specific items, which would put hardcore 24/7 players in control of the economy.

I don’t like either system, both are attempts to keep players logging in regularly on a treadmill.

Fannwong.3059:

If only we could fight like gentlemen, as warriors of old with honor and integrity. Alas, I think may be impossible.

Here here.

bewhatever.2390:

I think this is testing concepts toward the pink-con level 500 craftables. Which had better take a lot of work over a long time, if they are not to cheapen epic gear.

Have a think about this, if they time gate ascended armor like celestial, when we obtain each piece we can’t necessarily use it because it would disrupt the runes in the armor (unless you use orbs but that would be a minority). So we’re sitting there for an extended period of time with unused armor in our inventory, unless ascended will take runes unlike the jewelry.

There’s also the fact that with the introduction of ascended armor and the removal of the magic find stat eventually there’s very little point to go to the trouble.

Kodiak.3281:

morrolan.9608:

See I think much of the SOR commentary has come in response to the clear trolling by BG posters including commanders.

Its a vicious circle so we should all take a step back and even counsel those on our own servers against trolling.

I think you’re better off aiming for world peace.

Yeah probably, BTW I like your Ele condi build, and will probably try something similar on my Ele. Pity other players can’t have a difference of opinion without being kittens and getting the thread locked.

Kaidengaran.3528:

If SOR is wondering about all these ‘BG trolls’, perhaps they should go back and check all thoer comments. Sure there is some trolling and chest thumping from BG and while I don’t agree with it, it’s all in retaliation to the copious amounts of un-classy SOR posters.

See I think much of the SOR commentary has come in response to the clear trolling by BG posters including commanders.

Its a vicious circle so we should all take a step back and even counsel those on our own servers against trolling.

Diehard.1432:

pot.6805:

With all due respect you have plenty of SEA guilds and guilds who play during SEA including but not limited to AT, SONG, SATY, SAHP, NYS, KISS, IRON, GC, AFS, SEC, TRE, KOR.

Add [HIRE] to that list as well.

It was said earlier in this thread but most of these these guilds are PvX guilds who are not consistently on every day. I may be mistaken but I think Hire has only been on in force 2 days this week.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Pot,

I think he was using PPT as a point of reference, not as a complaint.

Spot on Fannwong. It was about the PPT as an indication of the population at the time nothing more.

GivaBack.9328:

I agree with the ATM representative that SoR has a bigger SEA presence than JQ, I have heard as much from some of the SEA BG folks.

So why do SOR tick under 100 in SEA then? We’ve done it 4 times this week and 3 times last week when ATM are on.

AndrewSX.3794:

4 words:

Better late than never.

Yeah good riddance to the gold farmers. This too too long in coming.

Chorel.1720:

yanchoy.9176:

Katreyn.4218:

And even the Experience Scroll I was all O.O

You can also get XP from this chest? oO

It’s an experience scroll that will instantly put any character under level 20 to level 20.

So it won’t have an affect on a character over level 20?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

well i also did read that the ascended armor and weapons are also available as rare drops in the world.

Yeah but like I said above if the drops are as rare as exotic they will be very rare indeed, then you have to get the stat combination you want which is so unlikely as to be impossible.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

at least we can craft it.

lets hope that the grind is very reasonable and not outrageous.

FWIW I have the master crafter title so it won’t affect me personally BUT to restrict it to crafting only is another nail in the coffin of the mantra of being able to play the way we want. Its ridiculous to force people to have to do it if they don’t want to when there is meant to be a fully functioning player economy in operation

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

there u go:
“These weapons and armor will also be able to be found as rare drops from locations in the world. Ascended weapons and armor will remain account-bound like other ascended gear.”

TY, that makes it a 100 times worse. Seriously, forcing players to crafting!!! This is just a bizarre decision.

Devata.6589:

The design decisions I refer to I also put in my last comment but I will sum them up here for you again.

Temporary content (the temporary events with temporary achievements but also items temporary available in the gem-store), gold-driven system and RNG-boxes.

Yeah I’d also add the reduction in loot drops forcing players to the TP to buy what they need.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

morrolan.9608:

Crafters will sell them on the TP BUT given the effort in making them and the gating the cost will probably be rather high.

but i read that all ascended gear are account bound.

Isn’t it only some of the mats?

Azjenco.9425:

You do know there will be multiple ways to obtain ascended gear?

These weapons and armor will also be able to be found as rare drops from locations in the world.

Loot drops will definitely be another option, just hoping they don’t bottleneck the drops in too few locations to avoid massive zergs in certain spots around Tyria.

I do like the karma idea, that would be great. I hope ANet give them a slight chance of dropping in many places all over Tyria, such as JP chests and champion chests.

Rare drops: so 1. we will probably have a faint chance of it dropping like exotic currently, and 2. you will need the drop to be the stats you want which is probably so unlikely as to be almost impossible.

Crafters will sell them on the TP BUT given the effort in making them and the gating the cost will probably be rather high.

Harbard.5738:

Probably WvW power creep will force him to upgrade ALL that gear across all his chars, when he starts to notice other people’s full ascended is giving them an annoying edge, forcing him to pick one char only to focus the annoying grind, which will suck for him cause he’s losing variety in gameplay.

Spot on I’m in this position with 4, almost 5 lvl 80s and I want to use all of them in WvW. I’m already being emasculated by the stupid WvW progression system being character bound this only makes it worse.

Harbard.5738:

Even if someone has only one or two chars. What about multiple gear that compliment multiple builds? Effin nightmare. So effectively, he’ll have a WORSE game than before. Limited in effective builds and gameplay variety, more visibly in WvW.

Yep, again me, I like to experiment with builds, its bad enough now to try it its going to be pretty much impossible.

Kathy K.6812:

I’m honestly surprised to see SoR still in T1 with such a toxic community they have.

So you’ve been on SOR have you?

Robot Chocken.7012:

HAHA! He hakitten you for a few days. BG is very correct in saying he hit them for months. BG was the more challenging server and ATM likes great fights..

Well its been weeks, but anyway what you say above doesn’t make sense. If he wants great fights and BG is more challenging why has he concentrated on SOR for the past few weeks?

Robot Chocken.7012:

I can promise you Waha will keep hitting SoR if they trash him and ATM here on the forums.

He constantly hits us anyway whats the difference.

What sort of person delights in breaking the morale of people on a server and aims to do it a second time in a game? Trash talk on the forums is one thing but this…………

Vayne.8563:

The Manifesto is like a teaser…it gives you an overview. It can confuse, but by the time the explanations came out they were far more detailed than the clarification.

So………. where is the clarification?

Devata.6589:

Because really if I hear Colin talk what he describes is a sandbox game. Players change the world.

Its semantics and illusory, players will have some power to change but not to the extent thakittens an actual sandbox eg. the upcoming election which is just 2 branching options not what I would call player created change.

Vayne.8563:

If you don’t believe the genre is evolving because of design changes made in this game, take a look at ESO. It’s almost like GW2 set in their world.

Only not, GW2 is influencing some aspects but its not GW2 set in TES world.

cesmode.4257:

-Grind was bad choice of words. Get laurels yes. Still takes a month to get them. Time vs reward.

But it is a grind, its doing repetitive tasks over and over again for a reward. I find really only 1 daily out of the cycle I get from simply just playing the way I normally play. And as someone with 4 lvl 80s and soon to have a 5th it certainly feels like something of a treadmill to outfit all those characters. I don’t necessarilly need ascended to just play the game but the majority of the characters I take into WvW where having BiS gear is an advantage and it certainly makes the PvE side of the game slightly easier.

Devata.6589:

Archeage and Black desert are both sandbox mmo’s while GW2 is not but sort of tries to be one. They want an ever changing world where people influence the world and so on. They try to do that with the living story but in the end it will not have the possibility’s an sandbox mmo has if it comes to those thinks so if Anet really wants to go on with the “player change the world” what does seem as a good think to me they might want to evolve there game into a sandbox mmo. However then there is still a lot of work to do.

GW2 will never be a sandbox, a sandbox is a world where the content is largely player created. The world of GW2 may change but its all done largely by the developer.

Ikcen.7518:

GW2 is doomed to failure when games as Archeage and Black desert come online. This game has too much imbalances, bugs, and fundamental problems to be competitive to real mmos. So I’m not surprised it will have no expansions. GW2 is good for losing time, nothing more. Sad that other companies decided to follow GW2 model. I’m talking about Neverwinter and Elder Scrolls. These two, like GW2, are online not mmo games – some new genre

What because of the solo aspect? I think you’ll find most western mmos will have this option. Wildstar, another more traditional mmo, certainly will with solo dungeons at endgame. Players want options sometimes they want to solo being amongst other players in what feels like a living world, other times they want to play more with other players.

Devata.6589:

But there is no need for the cash-shop focus if they go for an expansion-pack focus. The problem was that they suddenly started to focus on the gem-store and had no plants for expansions anymore. That means that they sort of took the model of a F2P game and I agree thats bad. But if they indeed turn back to the expansion pack focus they can drop the gem-store focus and the thinks you dislike about it should also go away.

And after getting a lot of complains about those things expansions are now back on the table. So lets hope they go for that.

The “GW2 model” at this moment resembles more a F2P model then a B2P model. Thats the problem.

Yep I agree with this as well. But it won’t happen, too many design decisions have been embedded in the game funnelling players towards the gem shop and appealing to the ‘whales’. They would have to roll back these as well as get an expansion out.

Obsidian.1328:

2 years ago I would have agreed with you Vayne, but seeing how much of an influence the cash-shop can have on non-sub game content…I hate it. That’s great if you would rather have free, watered-down content than fork over 20 bucks a month, but I would rather pay for the good stuff. And if you think this stuff we have now is “good” well I can’t argue personal taste I guess, it’s beyond me though.

Spot on this is exactly why I have come to dislike the GW2 model.

Fuzzion.2504:

It is actually quite puzzling. We know some Mythic-EA employees left for Anet and we know Anet’s WvWvW system was meant to present a better play experience than RvRvR but somewhere, somehow in the middle of developing GW2 wvw system, things did not quite go that way.

They seem completely unable to predict what the consequences of their design decision will be.

Fuzzion.2504:

Perhaps because they decided to design everything in-house, from scratch and were unfortunately banking on their “e-sports pvp” rather than their more profitable and now more successful WvWvW playmode.

The fact that they ignored WvW for what, 6 months, shows that. They have made some terrible decisions with this game.

Vayne.8563:

The problem is, most people see this vertical progression thing as this huge breech of promise, when in fact, vertical progression was in the game from day one.

It was and I for one said as much even before ascended items were introduced. However if anything it makes it worse given that wasn’t a panicked reaction to players reaching endgame and leaving. It was in the game from day 1 when they promised it wouldn’t be. The ascended items just brought the issue into focus.

Vayne.8563:

Right, preparing to have fun, instead of having fun is the theme. And it’s true.

Not in the game I’m playing.

Clearly Evon for Fall of Abaddon fractal

kiba.2768:

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at this point i don’t really care that it’s locked behind rng; we’ll find out the level of severity when it’s released..but..but….AETHERIZED WEAPONS!!!

Vayne.8563:

I guess the one thing we can take away from this is that some people don’t know the difference between marketing and promises

Something can’t be both?

Vayne.8563:

and some people think that a company that makes an MMO will not try different things or change things around if things aren’t working.

A total revision of their vision for the game less than 2 months into it? A vision that was a major selling point for the game. Thats a sign of panic. Not to mention that they refuse to own up to it.

I like the look of the catcher skins but wish they were actual backpieces that could be made ascended like the sclerite karka backpiece. It would have been a good way to widen the methods of obtaining ascended backs.

Gorrog.9103:

A grand total of 65 to 75 days for one character. If you want additional weapons to swap out you can always tweak up the number. This is at least 2 months going closer to 3 months for one profession.

Its utterly ridiculous I seriously do not think they sit back and take a global view of this sort of thing and look at the actual consequences.

VOLKON.1290:

We’re getting a constant flow of new things to do while the “big” stuff is being developed. That works for me.

But the 4 teams doing the ongoing content releases are not working. Every release is bug ridden. Many bugs do not get fixed. The content is a mish mash and not being done to any defined standards and is largely fluff.

If its leading up to something big fine but the narrative within each content release does not convey that at all. Its the problem of flame and frost writ large.