Guild Wars 2

Allie Murdock.8152:

The Ranger isn’t expected to do burst damage. By sustained, we mean that the Ranger should excel at surviving (resilient) through burst while still doing enough damage over time to take the opponent down.

This would explain the recent buffs to barkskin. Might I ask how you see power builds taking down bunkers with sustained damage? All the recent builds that were succesful in PvP or roaming revolved around conditions. Conditions, and going bunker fits the vision of Ranger doing sustained damage really well, and even there they only have 1 build currently viable in PvP. But what about power builds? Does this mean that full berserker will never be an option for ranger? It will not have enough sustainability to deal sustained damage, and going more defensive the ranger will have a very, VERY hard time taking down bunkers. Even on full berserker they have a very hard time dealing with bunkers.

Not sure if this was already proposed, but by merging some suggestions could you guys see ranger take on a new role in pvp, that of a point capper based on the following.

Remorsless is moved to grandmaster minor in Marksmanship making place for a new grandmaster in Skirmishing. Adding on to a trait revolving around poisons.

Withering poisons.

When the ranger applies poison to its target, 3 boons are stripped from the target. ICD of 30 seconds.

Specific Game Mode: PvP
Proposal Overview: Steal health on poison application
Goal of Proposal: Increase power build survivability
Associated Risks: Would be hard to balance the amount of healing. As most power builds are not focused on poison application it would either be insufficient or to much if a ranger opts for lots of poison application.
Proposal Functionality: New trait in Marksmanship (hopefully the bow traits will be merged or signet of the beastmaster removed to make place for a new trait). When the ranger or its pet applies poison to a foe it additionally steals some health.

I’m wondering what takes so long about opening a CDI thread for rangers. Looking at the Fractals version I don’t see the ranger thread starting off with a long list of the amazing changes rangers can expect. So why not just start the thread? I don’t think rangers would be surprised if the don’t see a red post in the first week or so.

While I appreciate the attention A-Net will give to rangers, I don’t see why it had to be postponed in the first place. What is wrong with having suggestions flowing in one week earlier?

Even with all the heals and protection on dodge you want evades to deal with hard cc (stun/fear/daze/knockdown) becuse apart from Rampage as One ranger has very limited stability application. You also want some control so that your pet hits moving targets better, and you want coondition application as well. Shortbow has all of those, but some argue that axe is better. You can pair it with weapons like sword, axe, dagger, warhorn or torch. Its all down to personal preference. Roaming regen ranger will be rewarding for starters because its pretty survivably, and you will stay in fights longer. The more you learn, the hadrer you will be to defeat. But do bear in mind that this build will result in slower kills. Also check out youtube for some vidos on how RRR plays.

BM stands for Beast Master, which is the 5th trait line of rangers. It adds stats to your pet and healingpower to you. The RRR (Roaming Regen Ranger) build relies on heavy investment in BM trait line. Don’t spend karma on magi gear, you could by some PVT if you want to farm dungeons for tokens though. For RRR builds most people use settlers/apothecary gear. You deal condition damage, your pet deals direct damage (if it hits).

I only recently saw good use of guard, almost perma protection on pets and timed F2s from stealth. I think it was in Chroinx’s video.

Rym.1469:

-MoC giving +200% damage increase and stackable with SotH active for total of 250% damage increase. It is…weird. So +100% damage in total for Maul Yolocrit builds. Are we supposed to be kind of like Ranged thief, just without survability and praying for enemy to be just a bad player?

Put sigil of impact in LB after 2 sigils can be slotted with sigil of force. PBS, SotH, Long range shot. Too bad PBS knocks people away from your pet, you could time it with their high hitting skills like leap on canines or tail swipe on drakes. Would be awesome.

Rym.1469:

-Eagle Eye trait giving might on criticals. That’s not bad, but it will have 1 sec ICD for sure since Barrage+Rapid Fire would bump might stacks above 20+. That’s good, but still nobody serious uses LB

Guardian staff #4 says hi… 33% chance on crit for 10 seconds each? How exactly would you get 20+ stacks with barrage AND rapid fire? Buring 2 cooldowns for a chance on stacking might. Yeah, no thanks. It would be nice with fortifying bond, except you go 15 into NM, so less points into MM, Skirmishing or BM. Not sure what the plan is here. 50% would sound better, but I take Eagle eye anyways when I use LB.

I’m not sure about the new pet trait. Do Moas hit moving targets better? If yes, this is a nice change. If not it doesn’t sound like something I would want to take. 0 points in BM birds have 50% crit chance without any fury. What is the point in giving them a crit every 3rd attack?

Kilger.5490:

Wilderness Survival X—Martial Mastery: This trait no longer reduces recharge on greatsword and spear skills. This trait now grants 1 second of vigor when you successfully evade an attack with a sword skill.

Like the changes but this…. wtf is this???? I like martial mastery on my gs, one of the things that makes gs work for me as the cool downs are too long otherwise. Not liking at all, change it back

Nature Magic IX—Two-Handed Training: This trait now reduces the recharge time on greatsword and spear skills by 20% in addition to its current effects.

If the CDI starts on Friday you guys will probably have about 12 pages worth of suggestions to talk through. Better make this a long one.

ReesesPBC.4603:

Is this supposed to be the Ranger CDI thread? If not, why haven’t they started it so its more publicly visible for everyone who is waiting and looking for it? I thought it’s supposed to start today or is it further delayed?

Everything concerning ranger is half good/half bad. We get the attention of the devs for CDI, but there is no thread opened for us. Yepp, thats ranger.

1) Since you’re using control pets, I would pick up malicious training. Could be a nice addition in 1v1s.

2) Traps do pretty lame direct damage, so I would avoid adding more power. The crit damage you have should do the trick, but I would avoid investing heavily into gear this way before the zerker changes.

3) For camps take river drake. Its F2 if you can land it is a nice additional damage, and it has cleave. Its also tankier than a wolf, but I would change the spider for camps, not the wolf. AoW fear is too good to pass down. Also, tail swipe is a blast finisher, which works well with Fire trap. If you would run RaO you could also stack a pretty good amount of might with its F2.

4) For camps both would work well. However you should keep in mind, that traps can crit, and apply bleeding that way as well. Not sure if its the sigil or the trait though, didn’t test that in depth.

Traits: I would rather take shared anguish instead of hide in plain sight. Invisibility is no good if your enemy knows where to hit. Shortbow without piercing is also pretty poor for clearing camps, GS due to the evade on auto is great however, has more defensive capabilities as well. Too bad they removed the bleed from it. All in all your build looks good, however for general roaming I would keep RaO due to the awesome stability. Entangle is great for clearing camps, but most players will know how to get out of it quickly 1v1.

How about Beast Misters (BM) for a name.

Like I said, please contact Prysin, he already made it happen. I think there is an NA and an EU guild as well.

BlackRose.1247:

come on entangle is really fun and useful

… against npcs.

That is what Prysin was trying to do, a guild where experienced rangers can teach the newcommers. Don’t know if its still there. I would love to join too, but server change is not an option for me. An all ranger zerg would be awesome though.

Prysin was running an all ranger guild. Don’t remember the name, although he was advertising on the ranger forums. Drop him a PM if you’re interested.

Rangers are like warriors were. Not in a good place, but give them the wrong kind of boost and you will end up with the whole community crying about your class. What we need is a more reliably pet mechanic, better on demand condi clearing, more sustain for power builds, solution to missing mechanic in fights above 5v5

Hear ye hear ye, episode 12 is up for grabs! What the guys lack on the shameless self promotion front, they make up for on the ranger know-how part.

Gotta love that paint art on the picture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y-26iSPA04

What exactly is the problem with power rangers? Condi removal? Lack of burst?

It its condi removal, how do you guys see the introduction of a 2nd sigil slot on 2handed weapons changing that? 1 that removes conditions on crit, and 1 that transfers them sounds good a berserker ranger that will crit a lot anyways. That is practically 3 conditions cleared with SoR every 10 seconds, right?
Or how about sigil of fire and air on longbow?

Also with the new signet (if its true), you could run a 20,25,25,0,0 build with signet of the wild and get nice base damage on longbow. Add runes of the scholar, sigil of force and if it gets introduced to pvp sigil of impact. Sounds good to me.

I don’t see where a zerker longbow ranger is destined to fail against a bunker when attacking a point, as I didn’t try it in competitive pvp tournaments. Some more info would be nice on this. A lot of people think longbow is just plain bad, and I think its close to being awesome. What about you guys?

Here is something I thought of today, didn’t see it suggested before. Since its mostly power rangers that need help, and they mostly need help in survivability, how about Aegis for rangers. It would need to sit high up in skirmishing or marksmanship though, so bunker rangers don’t have access to it.

On the other hand I’m not sure how to feel about a lot of the things being suggested. I see a lot of posts in the poll thread by people asking for certain things for rangers. A lot of names I don’t remember seing on the ranger forums over the last year or so. Here are some things that I think people should seriously avoid as suggestions:

1. Removing the pet. It will never happen since half the class traits/utilities/skills are designed around pets. Anet will not do a 180 more than a year in and remove pets completely. They also won’t introduce perma stow for the same reason.
2. More hp for pets. No! Pets don’t need to be indestructible meat missiles. Only people who never faced a good beastmaster ranger would ever suggest this.
3. Pets should hit moving targets. Not all the time. It would be like conditions with direct damage. Send pet, deal 500 damage per second on average or higher.
4. Moar damage on longbow. Just how much damage do you want? 3-4k damage on squishy targets I would consider good damage. What longbow lacks is survivability.

Are LB/GS zerker rangers no good in competitive play? They sure seem like a lot of fun to play. I’ve been running it in sPvP for a few days now, only ran into a few really good bunkers whom I couldn’t down.

I can see it being an option for longbow power rangers, and mauk users, but without RaO and with our pets like they are now, it will just be a different kind of almost good ranger I’m affraid. I’m also affraid that no matter what they do with the grandmaster trait we now have they are going to mess up something. If they leave it as it is, it will be a facepalm moment, if they remove it, I’m affraid of what they will do to our bow traits in MM. “Something amazing” suddenly doesn’t sound like a joke, it sounds like a nightmare.

Sina.9208:

nagymbear.5280:

We already have a skill on downed where our pet gets us up, and so does another elite when time right, the spirit. The active should do something else. Like buffs on your pet are transferred to nearby allies or something.

You guys are naivë to think that pet rez on downed would stay in the game after the release of an elite skill such as this :-)

You completely missed my point… which was we don’t need another self res to begin with.

Nice character, nice music, nice video!!!

We already have a skill on downed where our pet gets us up, and so does another elite when time right, the spirit. The active should do something else. Like buffs on your pet are transferred to nearby allies or something.

How about this for pets…
merge f1 and f3 into on button (has been suggested a ton already)
Bind a damage/combat related skill of pets to F1 and bind a utility skill on F2.

Some examples:
Bears: F1 defy pain, F2 current F2
Birds: F1 current F2, F2 Quickening screach
Canines: F1 Brutal Charge, F2 current F2
Devourers: F1 Tail lash, F2 current F2
Drakes: F1 Tail swipe, F2 current F2
Feline: F1 Maul, F2 current F2
Moas: F1 Harmonic Cry, F2 current F2
Porcine: F1 Brutal Charge, F2 current F2
Spiders: F1 Entangling web, F2 current F2 (stun/daze for jungle spider/black widow)

Also at the same time make F2s ground target aoes. Since this is already in the game (look at Guard) this just might be something that can be done.

Josh Davis.6015:

To clear up the confusion, the balance updates will be in the next feature build – a build that adds features to the game. The next feature build will take place after the Living World season has finished. Today’s update added another chapter to the Living World story arc.

Here’s a quote from Colin’s blog post last year on the subject:

Due to the size and scope of the final four story releases in season one, the next round of major features will be bundled together into a large “feature only” release that will come after the first season of the Living World 2014 has finished. Once the story has completed, we’ll go into much greater detail on what’s to follow, but for now we want to focus on making sure our last four episodes shine.

The above is what we were referring to on the livestream with ‘feature build’. As I mentioned in my post on the PvP forums earlier today, previewing something on Friday and releasing it on the next Tuesday would give us an incredibly small amount of time to react to feedback – and that wouldn’t be fair to you.

Would teasing rangers with “something amazing is coming” be fair?

It would be funny to talk for a few minutes about the patch. Which would basically be some quotes from the patchnotes, followed by 20 seconds okittenward silence each.

dylan.5409:

@nagymbear
Ive had non bunker toons killed by 1 whip and a few auto attacks. Ive also spectated a few sword/pistol thieves, the damage can be very strong even if only part of the whip hits.

I have hit 12k rapid fire on nonbunker characters. Does that make rapid fire deal stupid damage?

Here’s your amazing change:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-January-21-2014/first#post3527280

Surprise surprise, its nothing (either that or the canges got lost in copy paste).

Scaretactic.8765:

try spvp builds for solo roaming like the regen shout build, traps or spirits. also get wolfs and dogs. You’ll be fine. Ranger is my favorite for roaming and I designed mine to kitten on thieves

Spirits in wvw roaming? Not sure if that will work out all right. Trapper, regen/condi BM, full zerker lb/gs are all nice builds to roam around in wvw.

dylan.5409:

Pistol whip didn’t need a buff, it does stupid damage as is and thieves can apparently take utilities to keep you immobilized till dead (happened to me a couple times).

I actually played s/p in wvw for a couple hours, and I certainly don’t see it doing stupid damage. And I wasn’t running a bunker build either.

Dardamaniac.1295:

Very interesting..I wish i could see some dev dropping in and answer a few questions…
I really enjoyed Ready Up but i want to see an unplanned conv instead of a set up dialogue…

I certainly see some devs having the huevos to drop in for a Q&A. What I don’t see them having is time. Also, they would need to do that with all other profs as well. But one can dream…

I’d like to hear your thoughts on our pet related traits. As pet AI is not getting fixed anytime soon, what other options you guys see as improving rangers (aside from more reliable F2).

Archon.6480:

Wow, you totally won that debate with yourself. Next time read my post before responding. Roaming and solo roaming are different. Since when does the word mob refer to less than 5 people. You should always roam with a friend or two and if you want to solo roam (and nerf your server for being a moron) you should come up with some wired 1v1 build with the OP runes that are not allowed in PvP (like perplexity) then you can steamroll the other morons running around like chickens in WvW…

From what I know mob also refers to mobile target/object. And by solo roaming (if you are yakslappin’, and flipping camps, taking out guads, you DO help your server.

Also if solo roamers are chiken, than zerglings are sheep. You can achieve a ton as a single player.

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Neoheart.2750:

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

IF they have a cooldown, which the stacking sigils do not. So I’m 99% sure you will still be able to use 2 stacking sigil together.

Except that they explicitly said the 2 stacking sigils would not work together.

Except what he was talking about was 2 different (power and condition) stacking sigils will not work together.

Edit: yeah ignore me, I thought the original question was if you could still use 2 corruption and such.

Oh wait…. Can you double up on stacking ones again O.o? You could in beta and that was freaking glorious! I kinda hope you can now…

Yes you can. I was surprised as well.

Neoheart.2750:

Anyway they are still working on it all, obviously and stated a couple of times that things are changing back and forth a lot with the number crunching etc. That’s why the information is scarce or being held back.

It they stull doing the number crunching the “Amazing” change will probably have to wait until April.

Is not changing something a buff now?

I got that. What Aridia said is if you unequip your weapon which lets you stack corruption/bloodlust, you lose the stacks.

mistsim.2748:

…snip…

What happened to your bunker ranger vids on teh tubez? It was great inspiration for me, and I loved watching them from time to time.

Edit: nvm, found’em. Dunno why I didn’t find them a while back.

Edit, edit: Some are missing though… music issues?

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

I’ll definetly try air+fire on my zerker longbow ranger…. mmmm

I’m missing a saying from Burnfalls post. Something like:
“as the saying goes, turn your other cheek and take immense punishment, insutice and oppression so you can rain down furious vengance on others who might not fight for justice, but because of injustice pushing oppressors towards their inevitable doom until rangers take their righteous place in the hall of the almost viables”

Maybe the amazing change will be a bugfix on underwater downed pet heal.

Its a bug fix. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t intended to work with a dead pet, just like Signet of Renewal. What I’m curious about is what the amazing change coming to ranger is watching the livestream. My bet is on splitblade getting an 8% damage increase

The only part of the game where rangers allways were powerful, even when it was terribly bugged (which I’m sure you would know nothing about, right?). The only time it seems powerful is when you 1v1 a ranger. So go an revamp our pets when we’re alive if you’re so interested in rangers. Or our traits. Plenty of things to revamp on ranger.

solrik.6028:

sminkiottone.6972:

a warrior is much better with LB than ranger.

Whahahaha please tell me what makes your statement true.

Well, warriors have 2 pretty good builds with longbow. What about rangers? Playing longbow ranger is more fun as longbow warrior, but fun is subjective.