Guild Wars 2

just sticking with the hyperbole theme.

Zelulose.8695:

Penguin.5197:

Though for the most part its just like the same six people arguing here

True but also look at the views

how many times today did you hit refresh?

us 5 alone are probably responsible for over 1kviews today.

King Dedede.

probably as long as it takes for the warrior to be capable of exaggerating his own position for himself.

because he specced bombs without increased bomb radius, apparently,

Bookah don’t even know their own language.

i would like to see them let us slot the stats in to the small and large spots, barring any duplicates.

that way you can design your own gear, pVt, pPh, Ctp, or any combination.

same for jewels.

vhT or vHt would be neat.

Zelulose.8695:

Penguin.5197:

Zelulose.8695:

A person should not last over 2 minutes just running around on a point even in a 1vs1.

Thats what bunkers are supposed to do in 1v1 scenarios.

Then why has every class that could do that had a bunking nerf.

such as?

your video is a demonstration of a counter build vs the profession and build it is a specific counter to.

let’s see everything else now.

let’s see a 2v1, even.

yes i am serious.

let’s see that again against a skilled thief, or ranger, or an equally skilled HGH-nade engie.

or perhaps against a CC mesmer or a farpoint guardian who is actually trying to take the point from you as their primary objective, and not killing you.

Zelulose.8695:

nakoda.4213:

Zelulose.8695:

nakoda.4213:

im a better bunker thank that video shows and i don’t use AR.

your opponent was on the point the entire time.

The fact that you don’t need AR to bunk just makes AR push past the limit that makes it a little to much in terms of defense.

no, it makes AR a niche build suited only for condi builds.

a good build will be effective against everyone.

But it is effective against everyone.

but it isn’t. necro are one of eight professions.

ronpierce.2760:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nn0lPesyak

2.5 hours played on an Engi TOTAL, can make a build impossible to kill for a condi necro. That’s not esport, fans.

that r40 necro sucks.

so your gambit of far point area denial fails because you face an opponent specifically build to stop you from doing so.

where is the problem?

the problem is that you are trying to be a magical rambo who doesn’t need to work with his team.

gg, prostar.

Zelulose.8695:

nakoda.4213:

im a better bunker thank that video shows and i don’t use AR.

your opponent was on the point the entire time.

The fact that you don’t need AR to bunk just makes AR push past the limit that makes it a little to much in terms of defense.

no, it makes AR a niche build suited only for condi builds.

a good build will be effective against everyone.

ronpierce.2760:

A. That’s not true.
B. I wasn’t really trying to knock him off, wasn’t the purpose of the video, but I do have 2 solid knockbacks.
C. It wouldn’t matter, if I grabbed home, I’d already have it, or I’d have someone help me grab it real fast so I could hold it with (too much) ease versus anyone who came at me with conditions.

and by the same logic, and intelligent necro would call in the cavalry to burst you down with physical damage, and take the point.

Zelulose.8695:

nakoda.4213:

ronpierce.2760:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqel0pCY3zSfF17IxoCdO0jCbf1K6R+1vjB-ToAA1CmI2RBkDIzOSgsAN+Y2A

This is the build I ran.

ya i know, i described it above for you.

good thing im a nontop-1000 ranked scrub who knows nothing about engineers.

it isn’t a very good build.

No slander please I don’t want to have people reported on this thred.

what slander?

i called myself a know nothing scrub, then said the build was bad.

sensitive skin much?

ronpierce.2760:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqel0pCY3zSfF17IxoCdO0jCbf1K6R+1vjB-ToAA1CmI2RBkDIzOSgsAN+Y2A

This is the build I ran.

ya i know, i described it above for you.

good thing im a nontop-1000 ranked scrub who knows nothing about engineers.

it isn’t a very good build.

im a better bunker thank that video shows and i don’t use AR.

your opponent was on the point the entire time.

elixir infused bombs also dmg opponents, and if they are outside of 120 units, your bombs are only 50% effective, wasting a 30pt trait.

protective shielding, stabilized armour, exlixir infused bombs, protection injection, invigorating speed, AR, and speedy kits.

soldiers ammy shammy/cleric jewel, and i presume 4xgrove 2x earth to hit 500 healing?

notice how you cannot kill the necro either? that is the point.

counter build is countering. working as intended.

speedy kits is a waste in tpvp, but invigorating speed can be useful if you are with a group dropping lots of swiftness.

you should have taken backpack regenerator instead of vigor, imo, and taken healing turret instead of medkit.

kit refinement might be helpful as well for magenetic bomb which has the potential for interrupts, and if you keep medkit it gives you a projectile reflection.

still, though, at any point a thief could have one shot backstabbed you, or a ranger+pet would interrupt you and dps you down, or any combination of things to overcome the direct counter this build has to condies.

your duel demonstrates the trait working but does not demonstrate its efficacy in a tournament scenario

i’d like to see that video from the necro’s perspective to see what skill he was using after you hit 25%.

also, reading his comments, as you recommend, i see he is misinformed that by applying all his condis just before 25%, they will disappear.

they do not.

also, from 2:33 until you started talking to him, all he did was stand tehre and auto attack while you ran around in circles.

if this werea tournament, you would either leave the bunker alone and stop wasting time, or call in an ally ot finish him off.

i don’t see the problem.

i see the bug where 100% duration reduction is being applied after bonuses and not before. that’s about it.

looks like a solid build for countering condition users.

ronpierce.2760:

Manuhell.2759:

Sooo, when someone dies with that trait and posts a video he gets accused of having lost on purpose and when someone else does the exact opposite, it is all fair and square and absolutely not staged.
No, seriously, totally unbiased.

If a non engi player can make an unkillable build versus a very popular and powerful build in literally minutes of creating it, and some engi main is dying and finding it “never useful or saving them”, yeah I’m going to go ahead and say its a problem with the player…

but it is not unkillable.

you would need to post an impartial video of an AR engie facing every individual class, as well as combinations of classes, within a TPVP environment to prove with video that AR is overpowered.

the only people qualified to do this are AR engies with experience surviving under 25% HP who know that it is not op because they will die to skilled players utilizing direct damage.

ronpierce.2760:

nakoda.4213:

i look forward to the video, ron, but your duel vs a necro is not a proper demonstration of how AR operates in a tournament fight where the necro, presumably on a competent team, will be and OUGHT TO BE, assisted by a teammate when running up against a hard counter like an AR engie.

Its enough to prove that no counter this steep should ever exist in any game (ESPECIALLY) claiming to be E-Sport directed.

that makes no sense as a rebuttal to what i’ve stated. my point is that you need a pocket theif or pocket ranger (the best option, imo) if you want to kill an AR engi as a condi burst necro or condi burst engi.

the ONLY people with problems with AR are condi burst specs. melee classes that cannot kill an AR engie under 25% are playing in a bracket much higher than their skill level.

where is this video?

i look forward to the video, ron, but your duel vs a necro is not a proper demonstration of how AR operates in a tournament fight where the necro, presumably on a competent team, will be and OUGHT TO BE, assisted by a teammate when running up against a hard counter like an AR engie.

the part of the argument that is getting ignored by your side of the debate is that in team play, group composition must necessarily adapt to the composition of the other team. you have to proactively select a team comp that will hopefully succeed against your opponents.

have you never seen a foe logout and log back in with a new char during the warm up before a match so that their team can deal with yours more effectively?

Penguin.5197:

nakoda.4213:

power/healing in my opinion, if you are going with a group support build that is less focused on dishing out damage.

if you are taking P/S i would suggests shaman gear stats (tough/healing/condi) as well.

NO! not shaman gear lol thats vitality/healing/condi.

What he wants is either apothecary or settlers (tough/healing/condi). Personally I prefer settlers since it focuses on toughness more but healing as a main stat with apothecary works too

oh that’s right, the shaman gear in pvp is different.

muh bad, apothecary is what i was going for.

thanks.

Zelulose.8695:

nakoda.4213:

i’m having fun now.

they woke the dragon.

it’s been a couple months since i’ve had a chance to vent my anger towards stupidity on the forums. I must have cleared a few infractions by now, let’s see if i can get banned for setting the house on fire again.

Please try to keep this a discussion and not slander or hate rants XD

not my fault that the ignorance behind the argument that AR is overpowered is being eschewed here faster than fat kitten from austin powers can drop a ten coiler.

i have no qualms with stating that i will vehemently argue against stupid people.

that quote (from the engie forums, for those playing the home game) is an entirely accurate statement reflecting how i feel about this thread. it is also an engi community centered comment that requires the context of having been around my posts for months and understanding how the game is played.

the context for neither of which you seem to possess.

grow some skin.

and maybe some skills.

sorrow.2364:

Manuhell.2759:

I could say the same about you and your pals, you know.
You’ve been ignoring every single argument we’ve posted here…

I’ve not ignored your arguments. I’ve just tried to say in the whole topic that your arguments were not addressing the issue.

How can you have an argument about politics if you keep talking about music?

nakoda.4213:

it’s a good thing that you have no bias at all.

mew mew!

P.S. yes, you are a waste of time, but hey, it’s saturday morning and i am here to ruin your weekend.

Congratulations, you succeeded with your stupidity to make me lose my will.

your will is no match for the d*AR*k side.

P.S. if you cannot grasp how you can argue about politics by talking about music, then you have no concept of metaphor, allegory, or mediated perspective and, frankly, suggests that you have no place in any debate about anything… ever.

yarp

Choops.3710:

Lately I’ve been having more fun playing my newly made Warrior than my Engineer I’ve played since pre-release, therefore Warrior is OP.

especially with defy pain and endure pain.

;)

it’s a good thing that you have no bias at all.

mew mew!

P.S. yes, you are a waste of time, but hey, it’s saturday morning and i am here to ruin your weekend.

dargosian.2704:

ronpierce.2760:

For Staff’s if you don’t use the apostrophe you say Stakitten , it thinks you’re saying “ff’s”

Or you could just say staves

staff’s = possesive, ie: attributed to the staff’s intrinsic properties.

staves = plural, ie: all those ele staves suck anyway, so why is this an issue?

;)

different words.

power/healing in my opinion, if you are going with a group support build that is less focused on dishing out damage.

if you are taking P/S i would suggests shaman gear stats (tough/healing/condi) as well.

i thoroughly enjoy seeing hundreds of empty custom servers that people paid for when all the free servers are still full every day.

anet loves you

i see what you did there.

yep.

lots of threads on this.

more stat options would make more builds available, viable or not, which would (at the least) allow people to test new options and find more bugs/combos/viable builds that have yet been unexplored.

ronpierce.2760:

nakoda.4213:

i run clerics with a soldier’s jewel and those same runes.

I have 18332 HP and 1k heals with 3k power adn 3k toughness.

bunkers do not stack vita. just because they CAN doesn’t mean they DO.

your logic is flawed.

potentiality and reality are two different things.

you been to come back to the virtual reality within which this discussion is placed

ie: the actual builds that use AR and the actual equipment AR engies take.

Generally, no they don’t but when you have a trait that specifically benefits from it, you MIGHT have to think outside the box a little bit sometimes.

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hooo!

i needed that.

/tear wipe

you are addressing the engi has been using the FT in PVP since february in a build that hasn’t changed much, and has until the condi “meta” loomed over the mists was entirely “outside” the box.

seriously. who are you?

sorrow.2364:

nakoda.4213:

no, you fool.

they take healing gear for the stacking of regen from backpack regenrator, healing mist, and for increased heals on super elixir and healing turret.

your arguments seem to be coming from the place engies were in back in feb/march.

when was the last time you played this game?

did you just come back to play your FOTM necro and find out that even though you are OP to everyone else, you still have to work to win?

tool.

furthermore, why the hell SHOULD every profession have abilities that work exactly the same way?

what would be the point of having multiple professions to play?

So, according to your high knowledge of this game, an engineer can’t run with soldier amulet, even if he wants, just because you said that.

The point is, why engineer should have a 100% automated and permanent condition immunity when at under 25% health instead of a player-controlled condition removal like every other profession in this game?

why don’t engies have weapons?
why don’t engies have passive condi removal?
why don’t engies have signets?
why don’t engies have melee?
why don’t engies have heavy armor?
why are engi auto attacks purposefully reduced in efficacy such that a full power builds brings our autoattacks up to other classes default efficacy?

why, why, why!

mew mew mew!
the kittens go mew!

i run clerics with a soldier’s jewel and those same runes.

I have 18332 HP and 1k heals with 3k power adn 3k toughness.

bunkers do not stack vita. just because they CAN doesn’t mean they DO.

your logic is flawed.

potentiality and reality are two different things.

you need to come back to the virtual reality within which this discussion is placed

ie: the actual builds that use AR and the actual equipment AR engies take.

i’m having fun now.

they woke the dragon.

it’s been a couple months since i’ve had a chance to vent my anger towards stupidity on the forums. I must have cleared a few infractions by now, let’s see if i can get banned for setting the house on fire again.

no, you fool.

they take healing gear for the stacking of regen from backpack regenrator, healing mist, and for increased heals on super elixir and healing turret.

your arguments seem to be coming from the place engies were in back in feb/march.

when was the last time you played this game?

did you just come back to play your FOTM necro and find out that even though you are OP to everyone else, you still have to work to win?

tool.

furthermore, why the hell SHOULD every profession have abilities that work exactly the same way?

what would be the point of having multiple professions to play?

also, keep in mind, that a SINGLE heal from even our weakest heal (a bandage) while we are within the 20-25% HP range will push us ABOVE 25% and you can condi again.

and no AR engi will take medkit anyway because it has a single condi clear every 20 seconds. they will take healing turret, which a drop’n’pop will heal for almost 7k, the initial drop alone heals for 3k.

Oops, no more AR, condi burst .. dead.

so, THINK before you come on the forums and throw a tantrum.

sorrow.2364:

nakoda.4213:

because it ISNT 100% immunity.

it USED TO BE, and they changed it.

the “report” in game of “immunity” over the engies head is a BUG, as is the reduction of >100% condies to 0%.

AR was nerfed in the last patch because Anet knew that it would be a hard counter to the new condi meta. the notion that they screwed it up and didn’t do that properly ought not be a surprise to you.

So, what is the difference between “immunity to newly applied conditions” and “conditions applied lasts 0 seconds”?

really?

immunity = immunity

the poor wording of the trait makes it sound as though it fully reduces the duration of conditions.

it is meant to subtract “100%” duration (ie the base duration before buffs), thus, you could still potentially get a tick of bleed or burning off.

yes, that is bugged right now and you see “immune” in game.

sorrow.2364:

Manuhell.2759:

ronpierce.2760:

Sure, ignore the entire post about Defy Pain and the vast difference.

Sure, ignore the damage capabilities of a warrior traited kitten and the difference between those traits.
Even with AR, you still have to heal conditions or you would die anyway; that means you’ll have to spec in both toughness (to stay alive below 25% hp) and vitality (to have a decent treshhold to stay alive in).
Other builds die too fast, because their effective hp pool below that treshhold is too small to survive.

That immune, instead, would be instant – you can avoid entirely getting blocks and such things. They would just spec into vitality and then into offensive stats – cause there is no need for toughness in that case.

What kind of argument is this?
If you take AR, you have 300 vitality by default.

Also, you makes it looks like picking a Soldier amulet is too hard to do.

yep, which brings the engie HP pool up to about 17k, because you aren’t going to be taking full vita gear as a bunker, you will be in power tough healing gear.

ronpierce.2760:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Defy_Pain_
Grand Master, please read it.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endure_Pain

I can play this game too.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Automated_Response

now, if you will note the difference:

endure pain means “take no damage from incoming attacks” for up to 5 seconds, and can actually be activated at will if the endure pain utility is slotted and on the bar.

Defy Pain is like “Self Regulating Defenses” far more than it is like Automated Response.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Self-Regulating_Defenses

ar is protection from the application of new conditions below 25% hp. it does not make you immune to the damage of existing condis, it does not make you immune to any other attacks. only new condis.

a ranger auto attacking an AR engi below 25% hp will kill the engie.

if you are having problems facing an AR engie, your team comp and personal playstyle need to be addressed.

AR does not.

lol that didn’t take long.

at least this guy quoted it:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Automated-Response-Immunity-with-no-cooldown/page/6#post2450775

sorrow.2364:

nakoda.4213:

you didn’t read a thing i said.

I admit it was hard to get something worth reading from that jumble of insults, anger and arrogance.

Yet, I’ve not seen why permanent 100% immunity from conditions is balanced in some way.
Keep in mind: I’m not asking you how to deal with AR, just in case you didn’t realized it yet.

because it ISNT 100% immunity.

it USED TO BE, and they changed it.

the “report” in game of “immunity” over the engies head is a BUG, as is the reduction of >100% condies to 0%.

AR was nerfed in the last patch because Anet knew that it would be a hard counter to the new condi meta. the notion that they screwed it up and didn’t do that properly ought not be a surprise to you.

lunyboy.8672:

nakoda.4213:

If it spells a word, then it is an acrostic not an acronym.

Id like to see turrets fixed before we get another round of broken skills.

People everywhere divisively annoying Nakoda’s temper.

^ Which is this?

borderline, the problem is that for it to be a complex noun phrase it would, out of necessity, need be an independent clause.

pedant, being a proper noun, would lean towards the acrostic header, but since “people everywhere divisively annoying nakoda’s temper” (p.s. “aggravating” might be a better transitive verb there) is a dependent clause because it has no actionable verb. I am drawing a blank on the technical term for this at the moment, i do not have my grammar notes at hand today. it may in fact be an acronym.

soz.

however, “people everywhere divisively aggravating nakoda’s temper [who also] incessantly conjure kittens [that] intensely tackle taboo eclectic nonesense suck" is most definitely an acrostic.

P.P.S: i don’t have a temper. this is just my general temperment.

if an engi is on the point and you cant hit her with a melee attack, something is wrong with you.

all you have to do on every point except graveyard is stand relatively in the middle and turn around while the engie runs around you and you will hit her. you don’t have to move far,

if you are letting that bunker engi kite you, that bunker is doing her job. you have failed.

learn to play.

there, grackle, i left a post in that thread with the usual nakoda charm.

read it before it gets baleeted.

;)

you didn’t read a thing i said.

@cellulite:

if a bunker engi with AR is running away from the point to avoid being burst by the melee assisting a condi burst class, and melee cannot catch her, the point is clear for you to cap.

job done, move on.

try playing as a team.