So you’re saying that warriors are using kill shot while they’re being pressured. That may be true, but they are terrible players. If you don’t notice a wall of reflection while you’re channeling kill shot at its delicious range, you’re not very good. Any decent player will always know when they’re about to shoot into a reflection field. You don’t even have to be great.
“Even great players aren’t going to notice a wall of reflection when they have other players in their face, trying to react to them.”
Your quote doesn’t hold any ground, while mine that you were trying to copy does.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Yup, hurts 1v1s. Everyone knows warriors fail at 1v1s, but it’s pretty obvious that ANet doesn’t care about duels and 1v1ing. Even great players aren’t going to notice a kill shot when they have other players in their face, trying to react to them.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Warriors are built pretty well for WvW. Mobility is the best form of survivability – Warriors are one of the more mobile classes. Plus it’s pretty hard to pay attention to a warrior lining up a kill shot on you when you have 3 other people in your face. PvE they’re obviously extremely strong. sPvP, well… there’s plenty to be desired haha.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
If you are giving value to a play style in a game designed for FUN, one would assume that you would judge it based on how much fun you have.
Plenty of people have fun doing skilless activities. Watching tv doesn’t take any skill but is fun. Arguing about skill has nothing to do with arguing about fun.
I know this quote isn’t from you but I can’t be bothered to sift through every post and I hope you agree with this post.
Sorry but there is no rush from taking a tower. There is probably 1/8th the brain power used that it takes to win a fight against as good or better players. I’m not here to waste my time or my guilds time on 1/8 brain power activities.
8 year olds can log on throw seige down and spam 2 buttons. We’ve moved past that rung on the mmo ladder.
The rush from beating back a large/good group is what you find fun, yeah? You guys enjoy using skills to take down enemies using their skills/numbers against you. I don’t know how you think correct siege placement, which can make or break a fight doesn’t take skill, or how our use of 20 person groups with correct use of combo fields, res mechanics, and siege to take on groups of similar size does not take skill. Using one group to lure the enemies to one tower while a smaller group ninjas the other takes skills. They are very different skills, and your may take a bit faster reaction time, but that does not give one greater value over the other.
I think the problem a lot of people have with your group rather than others it the value judgement you make on our fun, but we can not calls yours less. You insult us by saying it takes less brain power or w/e to fight. Follow along with the other roamer guilds who call out good fights and don’t try to push others down. We don’t care about the elitest attitude, we are about having fun. Find a different tier if you don’t like it, find a different game. This isn’t DaOC. Get that kitten out of here and lets have fun.
Jscull isn’t going to be polite about an aspect of the game he doesn’t respect. It’s just who he is. Tons of people take offense to the things he says, which it looks like you have as well. But what he says is true… he’s just stating what the devs have said but the devs are a little bit less brash haha. WvW is designed for casual players. PvP was designed to be hardcore. PvP turned out to be a failure (which can be changed in the future, of course) so many PvPers came to WvW. By definition PvP in this game is going to take more skill than WvW, shooting mortars and such. Do whatever you have fun doing, but everything that I have posted today isn’t about what people find fun in this game.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Why PAXA is fighting on the forums and not on the game?
I’m the only PAXA member posting on the forums right now, and it’s because I’m having a slow day at work. Too bad the computers here don’t have gw2 installed!
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Probly could beat all PAXA 1v1 (cept mesmers) but ofcourse that means nothing since they all run group oriented builds. Still I think osif should calm down a bit about what takes skill. Sure you can put a noob up on a mortar or treb and have him nail the same spot for 3 hours straight and get loot bags, but I don’t think anyone is arguing that. Skilled treb shooters that nail my siege on the first shot are far more annoying than any skilled roamer, not to mention they actually are playing for objectives.
Seriously 5v5 does not require the amount of skill you say it does, it requires the correct builds and the ability to press CTRL+T.
Exactly. you can put a noob up on a mortar and have him play competently and win battles with him. Put a noob in a PvP situation and he gets wrecked and makes teams lose fights.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
If you are giving value to a play style in a game designed for FUN, one would assume that you would judge it based on how much fun you have.
Plenty of people have fun doing skilless activities. Watching tv doesn’t take any skill but is fun. Arguing about skill has nothing to do with arguing about fun.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
holy kitten, the 8 year old thing is so tired already. mortars arent the only piece of siege. stop harping on 1 anecdote about your cute lil kitten
not even a lot of gamers whove been playing realm v realm for 10 years will spontaneously think to check for a blind spot and place a counter weapon. or better, refuse to reveal a covered spot until you start building something to counter something else. those are the people worth fighting. not your 8 year old who happened to shoot into a zerg that got stupid and wiped against your zerg.
Sorry that I responded to your comment about manning mortars taking skill? haha. You made a comment about mortars, I made a response about mortars. If I make a comment suggesting that placing a square block into a square hole is hard, I wouldn’t expect someone to make a retort saying that golf is an easy sport. Well, unless they were a little special.
If you don’t get the ridiculous analogy – you made a comment about manning mortars taking skill, I’m not going to assume that you mean every aspect of siege in general takes skill.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
If we are fighting ET, who is defending durios, while we hold umberglade, we can sure as hell have enough supply. If we are attacking durios we also probably have some supply in our keep(It almost always has 1000), so yeah, the attackers will be able to have constant supply for siege.
So I just thought of 1 situation that happens all the time where we fit your definition of a battle and mine. Would that be fun to you?
Where in the world are you guys getting that this argument is about fun? L2read would be an understatement.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
and all of the supposed skill it takes to do any of these things doesn’t win you anything different in last place in the bottom tier than it does in first place in the top tier.
that’s the point you’re missing. it doesn’t mean anything.
play and have fun in whatever capacity you want to play and have fun but please don’t pretend that your version of fun is somehow more valid than PAXA’s, because at the end of the day you both win the same big shiny pile of nothing.
Oh, where you got any idea about us arguing about fun is beyond me. If sieging is fun to people, by all means they should do it.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
it doesnt take skill to shoot burn shots into a zerg
it does take skill to hit an enemy treb on the first shot
it takes alertness to kitten the ac about to kill your mortar
there is a burden of knowledge to all prebuilt and standard placed siege, and blind spots
…but you enjoy being chased across a map by uncoordinated noobs who outnumber you because it makes you a distraction. ok. i guess it makes you feel important. you arent getting the attention of the coordinated large groups, they tell their people not to bother chasing because you arent worth ppt.
Sorry, you’re not going to convince me that something an 8 year old can do competently takes skill.
And lol at your assumptions.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
so… 15 attackers vs 5-10 defenders is a zerg v zerg
cuz thats what goes on.
and thats pretty much everyone in all 4 maps during NA nights / early morning.
maybe you shouldnt play during NA prime time. but then again, you dont get attention drawn off of your playstyle by the larger groups playing for points.
15 attackers vs 5-10 defenders isn’t going to cause a siege battle. The attackers won’t have enough constant supply to make it one. Maybe we have different definitions of a battle? I know we have different definitions of what a zerg is. But I won’t argue any further about this topic, because either way zerg or no zerg present in a battle, a mortar doesn’t take skill to man.
We don’t draw attention? Tell that to the zergs that yell out over chat to chase us till kingdom come to kill us.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
put an experienced player on a keeps mortar(s). try to get a treb to stick against him. doesnt take brain power my kitten
so you disdain drawn out and much more expensive fights in favor of chain ccing someone elses 5 man to death, but that doesnt mean fighting against smart people with siege is any less technically interesting. siege thrown by noobs always dies instantly.
I don’t want to get involved with this dumb discussion again, as it’s pretty clear the way PAXA feels about the zerg style of gameplay. But you’re taking the completely wrong route of defending siege/zerging with your mortar comment, as they are probably the easiest siege (alongside the arrowcart) to man. I’ve let my 8 year old niece play while none of my guildies were on and put her on a mortar to defend a keep. Needless to say, she got a lot of lootbags for me. Anything an 8 year old can do with competence isn’t something that I consider challenging. I’m not saying that no aspect of zerging takes brain power, as some of it does take a bit of brain activity. Your argument though, isn’t a good one.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
I got a head shot double kill video coming for you [Invi] guys this weekend when I can edit a video together.
Great fights! Don’t worry, I’ll show getting my face melted as well.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
If you are feeling like this game is getting dull with the way it is designed, I would highly recommend coming down to tier 8 small group tier. We have 5-10 man groups running every night that pose a challenge and a fun fight. We haven’t gotten so many consistent fun fights in a long, long time and this tier is saving the game for our group of players. I have put together a little video of just a few of our many battles with some great teams running around every night. It feels good to lose again, really drives our competitive nature to get better and make less mistakes.
I have included our vent chatter in the videos, please don’t take any offense to what we say. We are a crude bunch and it’s part of our fun, so if you don’t like potty-mouths, just turn on mute!
A post from Dank in the previous matchup. Nothing against Dank, BTW. He seems to be a level-headed reasonable guy. But, it just goes to show the hypocrisy being displayed by some of the people he runs with.
This is his reply to PAXA complaining about getting zerged by SPCA/XOXO/tM/etc.
Sound familiar? It should.
Also, notice how he says he was roaming with them. That’s a PUG? People who roam together for weeks on end aren’t a PUG, Chester.
The only difference between them and us is that they aren’t on voice together and I’m taking their word on that one. How difficult is it today to set up voice for a GW2 group? Answer: It’s not.
The other main difference is that we don’t make excuses when we lose, but they do.
Did you just say PAXA don’t use a voip?
Ha ha ha.
I’m sure they did tell you that, and their co-ordination is good just because they’re so talented.
Reading comprehension fail. And, I’m guessing a mod actually moved some of these posts from the old thread to this one to merge the threads. I had no intention of bringing this crap to this week’s thread.
It’s in reply to Chester saying that SPCA/XOXO/tM are a PUG. Yeah, a PUG that runs together consistently for weeks on end. Strange PUG, that is.
Don’t mind Robert, he’s not the brightest crayon in the box.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Guess I’m a little slow, I think I see what you were getting at now. Pretty funny, coming from the guild that would hunt us down knowing full well how many we were running then cry to their friends that we actually fought you when you engaged. I guess we are pretty darn similar after all, it’s no wonder our relationship didn’t work out… I heard opposites attract better.
Missing you,
We would only “hunt” you when we knew you had equal-ish numbers. Sure at first when you would say you had more than 5, it usually meant 7 which is still a fun fight. That changed though.
But yes, when a small group starts following the blue dorito… well you know our feelings on that matter!
I think the stuff Haz and I were trying to apply to the pubic region isn’t working though… it’s still itchy.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
To clarify, we aren’t inviting individuals to the tier to join our guilds. We’re inviting guilds with similar goals in the game. With that said, if you would like to transfer and get other guildless folks transferring (or already on the server you transferred to) and create a new guild, that’s awesome!
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
The amount of their self-centered hypocrisy is just astounding to me. Did they do this kitten to you too? Of course, I guess that the main difference would be is that we have the numbers to kill them when they all group up together and you didn’t.
Of course they did. And you hit the nail right on the head, we don’t have the numbers to handle their zergs (a zerg to us is 15+, 10 is a small zerg). What angered us the most about this tier is that when we beat a small group, they came back with 15 without fail, until we saw them more with 15 and less with 5. To add to that, they trash talk after rolling us with 3 to 1 odds, when I’ve even posted videos of us killing them in an even battle. Looking dumb isn’t very important to some people I guess! t8 is great though, plenty of guilds that don’t mind losing and enjoy the challenge, and have given us great fights. Best part is, they all give and earn respect, much different than t7 was for us.
All the haters don’t like us because we trashed folks that didn’t get any of our respect for various reasons, but you will see none of that in the t7 threads as we respect the majority of organized groups there.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Jesus kitten christ…
I thought we were done with this when we sent paxa to t8?
Now everyone please stfu and argue about you kittenz ingame.
Most of us were enjoying the matchup thread with friendly cross fire before this
It’s pretty funny how you think we were the cause of everything, when we just reacted to kitten posting about us. Maybe your penut brain can see now, that we were infact not the problem… we just liked adding to it.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Good forum fights all around guys. Haven’t been able to play much, and NSP is zerging the forums like always, hard to fight that. Just want to give a shout out to the SPCA guys, super tough forum group you guys have. Among the best I’ve gone up against. You guys are super good at targeting and assisting. Pretty tanky too, hard to get you down. Lots to learn from you.
XOXO, not bad either. You guys kinda ride the coat-tails of SPCA though. SPCA will be fighting and you’ll just jump in, opportunistic as always. Nothing against it, some people just like to play the forums like that. See a weak target and jump on it, but run away when it’s an even screaming battle. Ur lungs hurt, bro? Get out of the heat!
AD, eh… not too impressed. I know it’s rare to come up against the forum warriors of NSP, but I really expected more of a fight from you guys. You guys try to fight with maturity, which is almost like trying to go up against a door-nob after dunking your hands in vaseline. Just doesn’t work well. You gotta learn how to combat NSP’s tactics with immaturity, just throw that poo they flung at you right back in their faces. You’ll learn as you fight more though, you guys seem like quick learners and solid players.
Anyway just wanted to give those shout outs. Hope to see more of you on Text Wars 2 tomorrow!
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
PAXA should go to GoM to add some fun to this tier
Nah, too zergy for our liking. Nothing against people who enjoy running in 15ish people prime time, just not for us. Hope you’re enjoying the tier though, I know there’s a decent amount of groups that run around in those numbers… also the bad zergs like MoB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8mhcGMmsNk “GROUP UP” -zergballs- “MOVE IN 3, 2, 1” zergball rolls down a hill) that are easy bloodlust stacks.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
There was the “looks like I’m turning into a carebear” phase. I think it’s moved on to something like the “I should stop taking these estrogen pills” phase.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Can I transfer there, make a guild tagged SOLO and you guys all agree to only fight me 1 on 1? lol, but seriously, this sounds way more fun than what Im doing now, is anyone recruiting? I’ll jump one of my accounts there to play with you guys if you are.
I would abide by that.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Anyway, I’m just whiny tonight as the only action has been your coordinated group of whatever-you’re-running-that’s-way-more-than-me-and-we-can’t-compete.
heh
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
I dont know why since in a month or two I am sure our clone production will be nerfed 50%.
And phantasms will hit for clone damage. But hey, they’ll take away the moa escape! Crazy buffs!!!
I just wish they would make our other forms of condition damage viable to compensate for the confusion nerf. Now they just killed all but 2 speccs… I thought they wanted to embrace having more than cookie cutter builds. Guess not!
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Nope. 1/2 the healing power so I’m gonna trash talk till custom arenas come out or you come back in this tier to fight a fully un-nerfed Toble.
Sore losers make me giggle like a little school girl. I knew you wouldn’t stand a chance to a good mesmer in sPvP, I know that you wouldn’t in WvW either. Now what would be interesting is if you decided to play with Aiden and some of your skilled players and 5v5’d (or 3v3 etc.) us instead of asking for 1v1s over and over again where skill doesn’t come into play as much. You probably have plenty of time to practice while you’re not busy playing for points. Go go, Sur de Tobleh!
Robert, Toble said she doesn’t care about you. I’m sorry.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
I sent you mail, no reply, only reply here, which tells me a great deal about how serious you are.
“Toble.2968:
Paxa legitimately hates the way they made WvW so there is no talking to them about the subject without someone crying.
Also, Paxa will never cry for 1v1s unfortunately. They have refused me the luxury of 1v1ing anyone in their guild."
Seems to me like it’s the opposite, I just accepted your challenges. Memory is hard, isn’t it Toble?
I don’t care about 1v1s, but I’ll certainly 1v1 someone who trash talks and repeatedly cries for a 1v1 with a PAXA member.
As for your message, it is just more of the same bs. I already told you I’d message you when I’m on. Sorry I’m not around 24/7.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Maybe you should have actually fought me at bay the other day instead of giving up after not landing any hits and running away with the rest of your group.
(and forgive me, if that wasn’t you. If it wasn’t, then you had your chance then too, all you had to do was stand there and I would have come.)
:) You have my mail address, shoot for a 1v1 any time.
That wasn’t me. But you know with all this talking about you getting zerged by us… REALLY?! Wow. So many times while you’re zerging and I’m solo’ing you could just as easily duel, but you elect to zerg. Why should we give you special treatment when you have no problems zerging us? Same goes for other people that we used to let run by solo out of respect that we don’t anymore since they have no problem zerging us down. Funny how I get people sending me tells about it like “why’d you do that?!” Seriously? Takes respect to get respect.
Looking forward to 1v1 with you Toble, even though I mean so little to you. But oh wait, I must mean something if you challenge PAXA to 1v1s repeatedly and have dodged just as much.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
Great. I will. Maybe I’ll catch you at a time that you aren’t sieging, which isn’t often. Or maybe sitting in lion’s arch is more important than backing up your trash talk, too.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
:) I dodged it once and that was while assisting in a siege with my fellow guild mates. I am not going to ditch my tag and scurry off to fight you.
You aren’t that important.
I did get to try out the great founder of PAXA Zelrin, that was pretty fun. I die solo to 4 or 5 of you often, so I’m not sure if 1v1 is what you are really into.
Please, you’ve dodged plenty of times on the forums too. Don’t act all high and mighty for your zerg… pretty funny how you just mentioned getting zerged down by us too. Isn’t that how the game is supposed to be played in your mind?
Keep on dodgin’!
P.S. That dodge you did in game while you were busy sieging, was on a reset night when the score had no impact on the final result even. Aiden even laughed at you for that.
Miller Time – 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Not Just A Goodtime – 80 Asura Warrior
[PAXA]
