Guild Wars 2

mezo.9568:

Not to be harsh, but I would hardly blame him for not understanding what you two are saying. I did’t call you out maliciously because I figured there is probably a legitimate excuse (ESL, emotional, young) for you two not writing clearly. I found this reply funny. Again, sorry that I AM now calling you out on it. I’ll gladly keep to the discussion of wvw as opposed to digressing to the petty though!

While I love me some run on sentences, I don’t believe my posts are very hard to comprehend. Besides that post you quoted of mine, I have not been malicious at all. People that debase an entire guild for comments that a single person from that guild make, (our superiority complex in this case) are just bum hurt like subcrazy stated. These people won’t ever actually read what we type as they already have their preconceived views on us.

mezo.9568:

You consider dodge rolling or using cool downs to get out of mass AoE skill? If they do this they “know what they are doing” and if they do not they are “skill less”. If that’s all that makes the difference from a skilled player to a not skilled I think you and are talking very different levels of tactics. I apologize for wasting your time.

Sorry, I guess I should have expanded on my thoughts. The average WvW player in my mind is that ranger that auto attacks while backstepping, and continues to do so while he is being focused. It is sad that I consider those that know how to dodge out of AoE to be among the more knowledgeable of the mindless zerg population… but I guarantee you if there was no AoE cap that our 5 man, and yours as well I am sure, would never lose to that skilless zerg. As it is right now, our initial hit will drop a good amount of them, but they have 3 people resing each downed zergling, and eventually we have to string them out or are forced off due to the sheer amount of damage that 30 auto attacks can do.
I guess this is getting a bit off topic from what I initially thought for this thread. I am just excited to see that the devs are trying to implement more skilled combat into WvW, and it is obviously something that some people don’t want (Not you Mezo, but our friend Raf here).

mezo.9568:

You 5 spike a choke hold and drop your uncapped AoE. It will NOT kill them, they dodge roll out or use cool downs. They spread like bugs. Now you have 10:1 on you. You think that you can take on 10 guys yourself, with them all spread out? It only helps you in Towers and Keeps where they (temporarily) cannot get to you. Siege already does this.

You seem to be describing players that know what they are doing. Skilless players, which there are plenty of in WvW, will not be playing smartly, and deserved to be punished for it. Right now, they are not punished what-so-ever for their lack of game knowledge.

mezo.9568:

If you (a five man group) successfully defended, why isn’t your second five man heading to the next tower? They can do the same thing. After enough “NOPE” from you, they have no choice but to split it up!

I guess we have just had different experiences in WvW then. Mindless zergs, in my experience, will always run with more people rather than split up. Or they just get frustrated and leave WvW, which none of us want, for obvious reasons as we don’t want WvW to die.

mezo.9568:

When you take that camp, you have 100 supplies. Drop a few supply traps, then you have 5 minutes to go knocking on a tower or keep. They come back to take the camp, they get no supplies, even if they get the camp. They wipe out your scratch group hitting their keep tower, but cant repair without using tower/keep supply. Persistance! It works beautifully, I do it all the time! We have been able to SLOWLY turn a map in our favour, it just takes time, patience and persistence. I promise!

I understand what you are saying. What happens after your successful defense? They zerg somewhere else… not split up into smaller groups to recap the camps.

Raf.1078:

Oh I see now…you want to make it mandatory that everyone else plays in small groups just like you.

You’re quite dense, let me sum it up in a simple form of what Jscull is saying. Remove the AoE cap – add skill to WvW. Organized zergs will be fine as they’ll know how to deal with it, mindless zergs will suffer and be forced to get better at playing the game. Small strike teams will not be put at a disadvantage based on game mechanics, just based on the sheer numbers. As it is right now, it’s both numbers and game mechanics.

mezo.9568:

You want to compete. As a lightweight. Against a heavyweight. And have the possibility of winning. You are still thinking with your fists. Fight with your brain. If you keep them drained, they have no choice but to break up and attempt to be at all possible locations. You just used your brain to turn your heavyweight into lightweights, on your level. Then you can have the fights you want.

This is not true in the current state of WvW unfortunately. There have been multiple situations where my server has taken just about every camp on an enemy bl (HoD has a decent amount of small groups running around on a nightly basis). A zerg comes in, and do they split up to reclaim all the camps? No, they flip one or two camps, each taking a matter of seconds, and go attack the nearest tower/keep. They own all of the towers/keeps – doesn’t matter. They’ll still run around as a zerg to flip the camps. There is no reason or incentive for them to split off, they are just as effective staying together and have a less chance of dying due to numbers. Mind you, we are talking about the mindless zerg here, not the organized zergs.

I don’t think anyone is talking about breaking up the zergs completely. As you can see in Devon’s quote, if the zerg is skilled then yes, they should be able to roll over a smaller group. It looks like ANet is trying to make GW2’s WvW a more skill based platform than number based. As it currently is, there’s hardly any skill involved in the mindless zerg, and yet it is still the most effective way (other than running an organized zerg) to play.

Raf.1078:

Maybe…just maybe if we all foresake our jobs and family and glue our backsides to a chair and computer screen? Live on twinkies and soda as we game our pitiful lil lves away…we can all become as uber leet as Jscull.

Oh, be still my beating heart…

I’m pretty sure everyone in PAXA has solid careers and have their priorities straight. Doesn’t mean we can’t still compete and want to be the best group out there.
I think just getting rid of the AoE cap would be just fine to even the playing field, even with having downstate in the game. It’s kind of unintuitive and unnatural for a group of greater than 5 people to want to ball together to avoid damage. Ridiculous. It’s also ridiculous that 100% of a 5 man group facing uneven odds will take AoE damage while 1/5th of a 25 man group will take AoE damage (if that not including clones and pets).

Xom.9264:

heck Anet would have to add forum server space if I was going to post just the times KoM and PAXA have spiked me.

There already is a thread for that!
http://eredonterrace.enjin.com/forum/m/11529470/viewthread/7140316-well-looks-like-paxa-won-forum-war/page/1

“Our goal is to continue to encourage organized large groups while giving small, tactical groups the necessary tools to put a dent into larger mobs of less-skilled players. We think that it can be fun to run around in a zerg — but we also think that the game should be about tactical acumen and skill more than sheer numbers.”

A quote from Devon Carver. Is the AoE cap finally going to be trashed? I’d love to know how they are planning on giving a smaller, but more skilled group an even playing field against a larger, but worse group. I don’t think just changing the scoring system will fix the mindless zerg’s advantage over a more skilled, but outnumbered group.

Assassin X.8573:

TL:DR

Did the minute men of the colonies in the american revolutionary war complain about the British zerg when they were decimating them with guerilla attacks?

I’m sure they did, actually.

subcrazy.1098:

Wait! Who are you again?

Oh no you di’unt!

subcrazy.1098:

Need to play the ele more in my off time to get the rust off.

No you’re just bad. Inc. forum ban.

Cyphel.3659:

@ PAXA asura warrior: Excellent killshot…I don’t remember the last time I’ve taken one full to the face! For every other race the animation is so obvious – not so for our vertically challenged brethren!

“That asura is looking shifty in my direction. It looks like he’s holding a hairy brick. Does he want me to shave it for him? What class-” BLAM 12.4k “lmao, oh man”

#ysotiny

Good fights in general yesterday

Haha thanks! Yeah, my big shinny armor and my little stumpy legs make it hard to see when I take a knee to line up a kill shot… especially with my group throwing out fireworks all over the place.

Master of Timespace.2548:

If you want nerdy kitten flexing serious pvp, then this game is not for you. Sorry.

That’s where you should be wrong. Anet wanted GW2 to be a platform for e-sport. They’re still working on it.

Paying gems for a gamemode that should be a default form of PvP is kind of absurd. At least they’re making steps in the right direction.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

I haven’t encountered you guys yet since our matchup though, where/when are you guys usually running around these days?

The bl that has the least amount of our own commanders.

Did someone just say PAXA wasn’t a QQ hypocrite guild? Shocking. Truly shocking. We obviously haven’t been forum warring enough these days.

The Goat.1940:

there is a solution, ask Anet to provide GvG sPvP (5, 10, 15 and 20 player) it dsnt have to involve WvW. I come of a little more harsh in text, sry for that. I like the way WvW is now and I don’t want the “squeaky” wheel to get greased, so I post in these kinds of threads. I do agree skill lag needs some fixing not the large group. There is a diff between large group and Zerg… code dsnt know it but we do.

I would like to see a percentage of how many things people ask for are actually implemented into the game. I’m guessing it’s pretty low.

Bllade.1029:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

VLK – kings of the HoD kittenfest. Seriously that is all I see from you guys. And for claiming to roam all the time you sure run around with LK quite a bit.

The whole “zergs only press 1” argument is tired and worn out, stop using it, it’s not true; and it only serves to make fun of people because they aren’t in your clique. If you’ve been in any decent zerg battle (where ANet’s servers don’t fail and only allow you to hit one skill every 30 seconds), there’s clearly a differential between zergs that know how to utilize their players and skills and those who don’t.

LK on HoD knows this well, I think they are the closest I’ve seen to an HoD zergball that knows how to group up, they could definitely practice on AoE and group buffs if zergballing is their aim, but even playing a zerg smart they are tough cookies against numbers larger than their own.

For being so outnumbered and pressing 1 so inferior, you seem to do just fine with PPT. Maybe spend less time complaining and holding things instead?

I’m not even going to take what you just said seriously, nor argue.

Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
My entertainment.

The Goat.1940:

There are more ppl in large groups than small groups … so what that just means a majority of people like to run in large groups.

I somewhat disagree with this comment. If, for example, the AoE cap was removed, I guarantee you would see less zergs and more small groups. People like to run around in large groups because it is an easier way to take objectives. The more people, the quicker camp/tower/keep flips are. People like to run around in large groups because they are inexperienced PvPers. The more people around you, the less chance of you dying, the easier it is to kill foes. All you have to do is spam #1 and watch the loot bags drop. WvW is designed for the casual player, not the competitive PvPer. Unfortunately since s/tPvP has been in a state of disarray, many PvPers either quit or are playing in WvW. Hopefully with the new changes that ANet is making to s/tPvP it will give the competitive players what they are looking for, and make GW2 an e-sport which it was originally designed to be.

It’s good to see your dislike for zerging, Robert.

atomicjellybean.5389:

Bllade.1029:

If arena net is going to keep this randomized matchup system, they need to consolidate HoD + FC + ET into one server.

This new randomized system is great for high/mid tiers, but it kittens low tiers.

Oh haha yes I can see it now… The trolling levels would go over 9000, imagine if they did that for NSP and HoD, PAXA and Os on the same server…. That would be chaos

We came from NSP! x_x

Ungood.3054:

Seems we veered off topic a bit and It’s late for me, I first read that as “if you call bad people leaving advertisement, then glad I could help” and I was about to thank you for it, LOL.

You got that one covered yourself.

I just took some time to read through Ungood’s thread on his little separate QQ forum… made my day. It must be eating him up not being able to respond on these forums, as he posts responses to subcrazy on the whine about PAXA thread. Really, can’t wait 3 days? Too long of a vacation for a forum warrior? lol. So money.

Harbinger.8637:

More people is always effective. Take WW2 for example. Germans where better trained and equipped then the Russians. Russians won because they kept throwing more people at the problem.(Yes, I know that’s not the only reason they won, but it was a big help.)

And how many people did it take for the U.S.A to drop a nuke on Hiroshima? Numbers don’t always win.

I would bash you right now subcrazy, but alas I don’t think I want another forum ban for bashing my own guildy.

Goblin Beet Farmer.3045:

I, for one, am looking forward to being done with HoD…at least for a few weeks. While I have only been on FC for about a month now I have come to dislike HoD more than any other server I have faced in WvW. I have never faced a server that mistakes their coverage and numbers for skill and superiority so much like HoD does. I have never seen a server run so much from even or fair fights out in the open like HoD does. I have never seen a server go out of there way so much to chase down a smaller force (even 1 to 2 people) like HoD does. I have never seen a server emote so much like HoD does…of course this is normally after they have ran from a fair fight to the safety of guards/tower/etc or after they have ran down a group they outnumbered 4 to 1.

Prior to moving to FC I had been on SoR since the headstart. When ANet announced free transfers to lower population servers several weeks ago HoD was actually my top choice to transfer to. This was based on reading over the forums and the respect HoD was given there by their opponents. I am so glad I didn’t though. I don’t know if the make up of HoD changed because of the free transfers or because of their fall to Tier 8 or if this is how it has always been on there.

Anyway good luck versus your new opponents on Friday HoD, please don’t be in a hurry to return to Tier 8.

You realize that people on every server do what you described, right? You can’t just call out an entire server for the actions of a few. Well, I guess you can… but in which case you would be wrong.

katz.8376:

actually… he’s LOLing pretty hard. but whateva. hopefully see you on the field this evening.

Isn’t that what they always say?

Haha, that’s hilarious. Ungood is so riled up over us that he makes a post about us on a separate forum because he was banned from this one. Great stuff.

subcrazy.1098:

Really you did lmao. I wish I flaged you. Ever since the last tier thread drama lots of ppl report now, other forums telling ppl to report paxa tags just to report them. Its sad really. I’m sure this will get reported and be gone in 20min.

Like someone said in the previous thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy_7haflaM

Edit for on topic-ness: score update plox

You know you’re kittening awesome when you get a 3 day forum ban for calling your own guildy bad. SUP

I can beat any SS 1v1 on my warrior. As long as he is not a thief, mesmer, guardian, necro, ranger, ele, engineer, or warrior.

Darek.1836:

All points stand.

Heh, hardly.

x FERGUSON.3046:

^ first off, you say that you jumped us while we were escorting a dolyak. not much of a gvg in my mind. if you want to have a real one whisp me in game and we’ll plan a 5v5.

Wait, really? If the answer is, “ya rly,” then lololol

Same reason why there’s NSP in our thread. Boredom most likely.

subcrazy is gonna get me forum banned without even knowing it.

Also the “helo kitty” insult that moutz used earlier in the thread looked awfully similar to a post Skarloc made not too long ago… originality at its finest.

On behalf of KWBH, thank you CD. We look forward to our future battles together.

oh the t7 gifs, how I have missed you.

snowaugar.1823:

It almost feels like paxa is back

It almost feels like paxa didn’t cause the problems. I’ll let that sink in for you.

he might just rage quit the forums two.

Oh man you’re gonna make Skarloc angry with using “to” in that sentence.

Can we get this thread back on-topic and talk about how subcrazy is bad?

subcrazy.1098:

salocinn.4120:

Just wanted to tell PAXA necro he is kitten. We have to focuss you since you are annoying AND you are a pain in the kitten to kill (even tho you aren’t a mesmer). Good thing we don’t see many like you XD

Hmm not sure how to respond. Sounds like Ur saying I’m bad then Ur not lol. I’m confused but I’ll just say thanks either way.

I think he was saying you’re a biznatch. And yes I miss your soft caress.

I don’t mind running into new guilds on different servers to freshen things up. It’s just annoying that ANet is now killing what we worked hard to make, a small man tier. Sure it would be very fun to fight RH again, but running into the GoM zergs and getting a small fight in once every hour doesn’t really do it for me. I like tier 8 right now as it is easy to find multiple small groups in a short period of time. Just as tier 8 is starting to grow in competitive gameplay, ANet seems to be shutting it down. I guess I’ll hold my speculations until ANet releases what type of algorithm they are using for tier mixing. Maybe it won’t be as significant of a change as I am thinking it will be.

Yeah, I saw that too. ANet really likes to ruin any competitive fun they have in this game.

xiv.7136:

- kill shot same animation as auto-attack, no crouching and can be done on the move
- hundred blades causes distortion like blurred frenzy
- mending removes all conditions, rest same
- trait for +50% damage on immobilised targets for that “burst class” feel

That wouldn’t be imbalanced at all haha.

PistolWhip.2697:

@osif

Honestly, If warriors could have nearly as much sustain and staying power as a guardian, I’d gladly sacrifice Killshot. Please, take it. Its terrible in a lot of fights in my experience, then again I find it easy to evade because I’ve played warrior enough to know the animation to the teeth even in group fights, in zergs I get caught yes, but if all you’re using is rifle in zerg fights, that is questionable I’d say.

So honestly, take my kill shot, and give me some of what Guardian’s have thank you.

The only terrible situation for kill shot is 1v1. I never run in zergs, I run with a 5 man group for the most part. Nothing will match a rifle warrior in burst damage in a group setup. I don’t disagree with the OP, I think warriors could use a better heal. Maybe a % of our hp since we run such hi hp. But, warriors are a very strong class which some people in this thread seem to think differently.